Author Topic: have you been taught zenos turtle taking half step each time then youve lied  (Read 1421 times)

Offline Jonzu95

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my teacher of maths taught me that zeno talked of a turtle taking half step each time and never reaching destination, as well did my father a mathematician, this is the concept of limit

zeno never said this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes

this paradox is a mixture of the turtle and achiles race and dichotomy

the race says that achiles gives 100 m advantage to a turtle that goes half his speed, when he reaches the point where the turtle was last it will have an adavantage of 50 m, when it reaches the next point it will be 25, always a half being achiles unable to pass the turtle

dichotomy says you cant even start since if you want to move a milimiter youll have to run first half then half of half and so on so you cant even run that milimiter

zeno wanted to prove witth this paradoxes that motion was an ilusion

so from paradoxes that want to prove reality is an illusion somebody decided to take zenos name and make the turtle that take half steps paradox that shows that the world is perfct, exactly the opposite to zenos intention

what id like to know is if you have been taught as me the paradox of the tortoise taking half steps each time?

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I can't remember exactly who it was but I think it was David O'Doherty had an argument with a teacher at his school about a frog that jumped half each time, saying "Surely it would get to a point where it can just drag itself the rest of the way."

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i want to eat that turtle

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If you are running at a constant speed, than your distance is written as a linear equation; not an exponential one.
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How you make Alarm Clock Pizza is:
Step 1: You buy an alarm clock from the store, and then you have to break it and put it in the sauce.
Step 2: Fold the sauce in 5 slices and put it in the dough.
Step 3: Paint the eggs with a pitcher of a clock showing what time you want to wake up and eat pizza for breakfast.
Step 4: Put the eggs in the dough.
Step 5: Make it flat into a round shape and draw the time you want on it.
Step 6: Put some old steel to prevent other peple from stealing it.
Step 7: Make it flat and cut into 60 slices 1 for each minute in 1 our.
Step 8: Put in the oven set the timer to 30048813.2884 seconds and put the temperature on 'Volcano' setting.
Step 9: If you think it is take to long, then get yor alarm clock and set it to now so that it will ring and you can take it out.
Step 10: Take it out uv the uvin wen it is redy and go to bed. In the morning eat pizza and also eat yor hands bi mistake.

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Hey Jonzu




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The problem can be solved with calculus. It's a limit problem that ends up equalling 1, proving that an infinite number of half steps can still make a whole. I'd actually try to solve it out, but not right now. Basically,  it was only a paradox because Calculus hadn't been invented yet.
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Offline cephalopod

^This is true, however the answer may end up being 2 steps depending on if the turtle took a whole step first and halved it from there or did a half step first and then continued.
A simple way to think of this is cutting a piece of paper in half, then one of those halves in half, etc, you can keep halving forever but everything would still add up to 1 sheet.
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simple enough, the problem takes as an hypothesis  that Achilles runs at a decreasing speed through the race when he really has no reason to do so.

and this intends us to fail to take into account initial speed AND instant speed as well.

And ****, a turtle half as fast as Achilles must be on rocket boosters or something.

tl;dr it doesn't prove anything, it is merely faux scientific trolling

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lol math

but it's clearly maths, unless you murricans take mathematic.