Avalanche vs dragonsteincole [DSL HW Title] (Avalanche Wins)

[TheOrcCorp]

In all fairness, despite the first round being questionable, LRA2 did submit a better bot than DSC, if you ignore the paintjobs on both bots.

Oh it is a good bot, Ava is just a colossal hypocrite! X'D

[NeonCalypso]

Predictable win, avalanche should try skinning sometime.

[Avalanche]

>acting as if I've commiteted a cardinal sin by using a flipper that the forum itself believes is fine

****ing lol

Anyways, we have some issues beyond sh**flinging over my "hypocrisy".

 A: I didn't include a time limit in the rules,w hich meant that unless I could get a KO there is basically no way for me to win.

B: We didn't include any havoc restart rules, which means by the rules of the challenge, DSC cannot get his deserved havoc restart.

Basically, within the rules set out by the challenge, DSC has no ground for a havoc restart.

I'm not going to use this as a loophole to hold onto the title however. I'm going to win this the right way.
 I propose invalidating/drawing this match due to the havoc restart rules not being included, redrafting rules (DSL IRL, Best of 7 so I can't use 2 pin wins to get a leg-up, DSL Tournament Arena or any other more traditional arena for OOTA capabilities, if a robot havoks in a game changing way the round is restarted, 3 minute round length, RA2CF and DSC packs enabled) and giving DSC his rematch.

Preferably, we'd still be using the same bots so that we can't make changes to adapt to our opponent (such as I upgrading the battery life, or DSC adding a Skirt/Metal hinge to counter my wedge, etc) and basically the match restarts under new rules as if the first match never existed.

And BTW, by the rules of the challenge there is literally nothing we can do about havoks, so I have a case for just taking the win from this challenge. I could very easily just take the win here. Instead, I'm offering you a rematch.

[NeonCalypso]

Why do I feel like a flame war is about to erupt any soon...

[Avalanche]

I was writing my previous post while distracted. I am aware it says DSC cannot havok restart 3 times. Just before anyone makes a comment about it.

Also: I'd expect nothing less than a flame war, NC. Tbh all the people sh**talking my robot are just trying to start one, but I'm not really going to bother.

[TheOrcCorp]

Not trying to start a flame war Ava. I guess it just rubs people the wrong way how much you moan about 3 bursts and then make one yourself. However, I'll give you props for what you offered to DSC in the wake of this, good sportsman. :P

[FightingBotInformal]

[Avalanche]

Going to answer the critics of my robot.

Predictable win, avalanche should try skinning sometime.

I did.

>ava complains about 3 bursts, makes 3 burst bot with skirt wedges. Noice

If GTM refuses to admit that these things aren't IRL, I'll just have to use them. This is for the DSL HW title, I'm not handicapping myself when it comes to one of the few things I have to my name.

It's not tryhard if I do it:" The lra2 documentary coming soon.

It's the DSL HW title. I'm not letting go of it easy. Also, Invasion has 16 typhoon teeth, with 4 hitting at once. That's more than Raus has ever had. Clearly I wasn't the only one going in swinging.

talk abiut undeserve wins, but a wins a win. But next time dont complain about 3 bursts then proceed to make one yourself

Victory by any means.

im sorry how are those wedge angles on the flipper realistic

also gj not even trying to skin your robot av

Bent flippers are entirely possible IRL. Off the top of my head, The Steel Avenger, Wolverine, Behemoth (if the Anti Spinner Scoop from S9 flips, which it should), Philliper 2 and others all have curved scoops: mine is just a front hinge flipper. The only issue is getting the chassis to match, but I'll do that for the next version.

And again, I skinned it. Unless something went horribly wrong during sending (there were lots of botfiles created and moved around), I definitely skinned it with the AG stripes. I also took specific detail to make sure the flipper panels were of differing colour to continue said theme. The red on the wheels match the red on the E-Wedge.

[dragonsteincole]

My thoughts:
One - I'm a little disappointed in my bot, as it works far better as a CW. Shame on me for not testing it properly. However losing to Ava's DSL-S bot is not the worst thing to happen.
Two - I do have room to feel hard done-by those two havoks, as the first one absolutely saved that round for your bot. If havok restarts weren't included in the challenge that is down on you, as you determined the rules.
Three - Whilst the rematch is appreciated I won't accept on those terms, as you're making no attempt to hide the fact you want to stack it further in your favour. Changing arenas so you can get more OOTAs, but "preferring" to keep the exact same bots? That is pretty blatant.

[Enigm@]

i can't believe it but lra2 won fair and square
so what if he made a dsl-s bot, if you dont play to win youre not playing

[Avalanche]

My thoughts:
One - I'm a little disappointed in my bot, as it works far better as a CW. Shame on me for not testing it properly. However losing to Ava's DSL-S bot is not the worst thing to happen.
Two - I do have room to feel hard done-by those two havoks, as the first one absolutely saved that round for your bot. If havok restarts weren't included in the challenge that is down on you, as you determined the rules.
Three - Whilst the rematch is appreciated I won't accept on those terms, as you're making no attempt to hide the fact you want to stack it further in your favour. Changing arenas so you can get more OOTAs, but "preferring" to keep the exact same bots? That is pretty blatant.

>down on you

You signed off on the rules mate. Don't pull damage control that bloody hard. The fact you're shifting blame and refusing the rematch rules is pushing it.

Trying to pull a "DSL-S" jab was the last straw.

I'm rescinding the rematch offer. Don't piss off the one guy who offers negotiations.

Sage/Dragonfire, if you can lock the thread and declare this challenge a win for me, that'd be appreciated.

[Badger]

To be fair, I think havok restarts and a 3 min time limits are things that are kinda defaults and only changed if explicitly stated.

[Avalanche]

To be fair, I think havok restarts and a 3 min time limits are things that are kinda defaults and only changed if explicitly stated.

True. But the rules didn't include them, and there's no default rule that activates when they aren't there, so there's nothing that can be done... unless we did a rematch. Except DSC threw that offer back in my face. So that ends that.

[dragonsteincole]

To be fair, I think havok restarts and a 3 min time limits are things that are kinda defaults and only changed if explicitly stated.

True. But the rules didn't include them, and there's no default rule that activates when they aren't there, so there's nothing that can be done... unless we did a rematch. Except DSC threw that offer back in my face. So that ends that.

You offered a rematch specifically in an arena that favours OOTAs, but didn't want to allow me to change my bot. Of course I threw that back, you moron. I'm sorry you didn't win convincingly enough to not have people go after you about it.

[Avalanche]

>moron

annnd any thought I had of coming back and giving that rematch and invalidating this one is not happening.

Next challenger, please!

[Shield]

>moron

annnd any thought I had of coming back and giving that rematch and invalidating this one is not happening.

Next challenger, please!

dsl0.9 unrealistic no weight limit for the Stock HW titles. if you dont accept thats racism

[dragonsteincole]

>moron

annnd any thought I had of coming back and giving that rematch and invalidating this one is not happening.

Next challenger, please!

Congratulations on missing the point of the argument against you. Now, go challenge Badger. Fight someone you know will wreck you and deserved a fight against you long before I did.

[kix]

Wait.. wait... WAIT!!!
Ava. You hate 3 bursters. Why tf did you build one?

Sorry for losing to a sh** bot DSC

Fight someone you know will wreck you and deserved a fight against you long before I did.

Fight my flipster with that crap, ava!

[Philippa]

Challenged in the discussion thread.

[Reier]

why don't you guys just both build to win and go standard? then there's no subjectivity and you can avoid all this dopey garbage