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Title: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 07, 2010, 05:59:48 PM: So, weird idea for a tournament here. Just wanting to see what kind of interest there would be in it. I haven't decided yet if i want to run it or not, but am curious about the reaction it would get.

Anyway, instead of submitting one bot, each entrant would submit a team of bots, consisting of an antweight, beetleweight, lightweight, middleweight, heavyweight and super heavyweight.

Matches are team matches. It starts out with the AW and the BW of a team facing off against the AW and BW of the other. As soon as one bot is eliminated, the match is stopped. A new match is started with the next weightclass bot replacing the one that got eliminated. So on and so forth until one team is out of bots.

In the event of time running out, the bot with the lowest point total is the one eliminated.
In the highly unlikely event of a tie, whether 2 bots being eliminated at the exact same time or 2 bots at the end of the match being tied for lowest points, both bots are eliminated.

Comments? Further ideas? yay or nay?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: 090901 on April 07, 2010, 06:05:09 PM: I like the idea.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Somebody on April 07, 2010, 07:40:27 PM: Good idea, bad timing. You have not been here long enough to run a tourney. Wait a little while, at least until BBEANS is over, maybe longer.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 07, 2010, 07:50:51 PM: Oh, it'll be quite some time before this gets going. Again, i'm just seeing the reaction to the basic premise right now.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 07, 2010, 08:02:58 PM: I like the idea... Especially if somebody makes a LW that could actually make it all the way through the bracket to the SHW :3

Downfall would be the insane amount of videos to record. If you do it I recommend keeping the entry limit to 16 people maybe? That way you don't overwork yourself for a first tourney. It sounds like a great idea. If anything... I think you should make it optional for people to make the HW and SHW... that way the overconfident uber builders can tempt fate by only entering bots for the lower weight classes in hopes of winning.

Or, here's a random thought... maybe the ability to build a SHW could be used as a handicap offset for the noob players?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: SKBT on April 07, 2010, 08:10:15 PM: Quote from: Jack Daniels on April 07, 2010, 08:02:58 PM
here's a random thought... maybe the ability to build a SHW could be used as a handicap offset for the noob players?

I think that would be a can of worms. Trying to decide who is noob or not. Example: Am I a noob? I have only been here for two months.

Just stuff like that that could be a problem.

(Don't change subject of thread to who is a noob and who isn't. It was just a hypothetical question)
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Somebody on April 07, 2010, 08:48:32 PM: Yea it could be the difference with the n00b thing that could cause problems. It could be a Reier (arriving with something like MDIII) against an Avalanche (been here a while without much success).
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 07, 2010, 09:04:04 PM: After a little more testing, I think i might even drop it down to teams of 3 (LW, MW, HW) to cut down on the time of each match. Easier on me, and on the entrants as well, not to mention it starts getting a bit boring with 6 bots per team. Might even be better to make it rumble matches, with 4 teams going in one battle. start with all lw's, and continue from there.

and yeah, definately keep the number of entrants low on this
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 07, 2010, 10:12:46 PM: 4 way rumble of 3 bots does sound a lot better

easier on builder block too :P

that way 16 is also not an immense number
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: G.K. on April 08, 2010, 03:38:30 AM: I love t'idea
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 03:46:47 AM: Quote from: Somebody on April 07, 2010, 07:40:27 PM
Good idea, bad timing. You have not been here long enough to run a tourney. Wait a little while, at least until BBEANS is over, maybe longer.

Yoda is no n00b. He has the skills to run a tourney.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Thyrus on April 08, 2010, 03:50:45 AM: Quote from: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 03:46:47 AM
Yoda is no n00b. He has the skills to run a tourney.

sounds great to a star wars fan
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 08, 2010, 03:51:19 AM: his unofficial discussion thread has more lines of text then some peoples sign ups attempts :P

good planning skills yoda has :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: lloopp D lloopp on April 08, 2010, 05:51:00 AM: Great idea.

I want this to be a tourney.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Thyrus on April 08, 2010, 06:03:01 AM: So is this like everyone builds 6 robots (1 in each class) or is this like 6 user get thogether as a team an everyone builds 1 robot?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 08, 2010, 06:16:31 AM: each user builds a LW, MW and HW entries
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Thyrus on April 08, 2010, 06:34:05 AM: ok.
but does the user-team thing work as well?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 07:30:36 AM: If these are rumbles this is going to be spammed with flail shell spinners and SnS.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 08, 2010, 11:30:05 AM: Quote from: Thyrus on April 08, 2010, 06:34:05 AM
ok.
but does the user-team thing work as well?

I'd rather it be each entrant does his own team. I've noticed some people are really good at heavyweights, but not so good with lightweights. It's a chance to kind of branch out and get out of comfort zones.

Quote from: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 07:30:36 AM
If these are rumbles this is going to be spammed with flail shell spinners and SnS.

Maybe put some restrictions on it. 1 shell spinner/sns per team? maybe even ban them entirely, even though I don't like the idea of flat out banning a bot type, I want to see variety in this more than anything.

Oh, and....
Quote from: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 03:46:47 AM
Yoda is no n00b. He has the skills to run a tourney.
Quote from: JoeBlo on April 08, 2010, 03:51:19 AM
good planning skills yoda has :mrgreen:

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Stagfish on April 08, 2010, 12:09:23 PM: theres gonna be a lot of ai'ing
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: 090901 on April 08, 2010, 01:02:41 PM: 3 bots to AI for me is a piece of cake now.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Badnik96 on April 08, 2010, 02:12:40 PM: I liek.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 08, 2010, 05:07:56 PM: Quote from: Naryar on April 08, 2010, 03:46:47 AM

Yoda is no n00b. He has the skills to run a tourney.

Because he made the arcade his female dog?

Well he's got other things going for him:
-He can record and post online just fine.
-Seems like a competent builder (which should reflect potential AI skills as well)
-He does not seem to have advanced stages of ADD

Go for it Yoda!

Edit:

What the hey? I didn't type female dog... I typed bitch.
Edit 2:

Hmmmm... It appears I have been foiled by a word filter converter. What a female dog.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 08, 2010, 05:21:15 PM: Quote from: Jack Daniels on April 08, 2010, 05:07:56 PM

Because he made the arcade his female dog? been playing some of those games longer than most of these younglings have been alive..lol

Well he's got other things going for him:
-He can record and post online just fine.
-Seems like a competent builder (which should reflect potential AI skills as well) it's the 'potential' part that's making me hold off for now
-He does not seem to have advanced stages of ADD just a slight case of lysdexia

Go for it Yoda!
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: 123savethewhales on April 08, 2010, 10:05:26 PM: How about all 3 bots must be different bot type? So no 3 Flail SnS or 3 popups.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 08, 2010, 11:34:18 PM: Yes, definately a rule there, all 3 must be different bot types. Will also put a restriction on the amount of flails on any bot...probably extremely low. These matches can go on forever, i don't want to have to restart due to havocs if i can avoid it. Thinking 2 flails max per bot.

My original intention was to hold this in the combat arena, but i'm thinking now the dsl tournament arena would be better. Allows flippers to stand a chance, and can lower the match times significantly.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Viper89 on April 09, 2010, 10:17:01 AM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 08, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
Yes, definately a rule there, all 3 must be different bot types. Will also put a restriction on the amount of flails on any bot...probably extremely low. These matches can go on forever, i don't want to have to restart due to havocs if i can avoid it. Thinking 2 flails max per bot.

My original intention was to hold this in the combat arena, but i'm thinking now the dsl tournament arena would be better. Allows flippers to stand a chance, and can lower the match times significantly.
I like your original idea with the AW/ BW Tag Team. That would be a sweat tourney not so thrilled about the idea if one bot gets destroyed then the you have switch out and replace it seems like it would be to time consuming making all the videos. You should make a poll of the different ideas for this tourney :smile: .
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 09, 2010, 11:25:12 AM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 08, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
Yes, definately a rule there, all 3 must be different bot types. Will also put a restriction on the amount of flails on any bot...probably extremely low.

YES !
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 09, 2010, 11:54:38 AM: Quote from: Viper89 on April 09, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
I like your original idea with the AW/ BW Tag Team. That would be a sweat tourney not so thrilled about the idea if one bot gets destroyed then the you have switch out and replace it seems like it would be to time consuming making all the videos. You should make a poll of the different ideas for this tourney :smile: .

yeah, it's gonna take awhile, no doubt. But if you guys are willing to watch them, i'm willing to record them. I got plenty of time on my hands. get 3 days in a row off of work each week. If the videos get too long, i could even edit them down to just be 'highlight' videos and do a writeup of the full match.

I actually hate the idea of having to stop the match and restart. But it's the only way (that i know of) to get the effect. In a perfect world, when one bot gets eliminated, the new one would just enter the match in progress. The idea was inspired by the old Survivor Series matches in WWF(E, whatever).
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 09, 2010, 12:01:45 PM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 09, 2010, 11:54:38 AM
The idea was inspired by the old Survivor Series matches in WWF(E, whatever).

haha I had inspiration from that before.. back in the days (10 ? years ago) when wrestling wasnt a TV soap drama :P
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: 090901 on April 09, 2010, 12:21:36 PM: I think it should be 4 flails
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Viper89 on April 09, 2010, 01:54:28 PM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 09, 2010, 11:54:38 AM
Quote from: Viper89 on April 09, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
I like your original idea with the AW/ BW Tag Team. That would be a sweat tourney not so thrilled about the idea if one bot gets destroyed then the you have switch out and replace it seems like it would be to time consuming making all the videos. You should make a poll of the different ideas for this tourney :smile: .

yeah, it's gonna take awhile, no doubt. But if you guys are willing to watch them, i'm willing to record them. I got plenty of time on my hands. get 3 days in a row off of work each week. If the videos get too long, i could even edit them down to just be 'highlight' videos and do a writeup of the full match.

I actually hate the idea of having to stop the match and restart. But it's the only way (that i know of) to get the effect. In a perfect world, when one bot gets eliminated, the new one would just enter the match in progress. The idea was inspired by the old Survivor Series matches in WWF(E, whatever).

O I didn't realize you had that much time on your hands, I'm game then :evilsmile: . I'm pretty sure the people that will enter will be very willing to watch all the videos :smile: .
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 11, 2010, 03:55:08 PM: So...Unofficial official rules as it stands currently...

Each entrant makes a team consisting of a LW, a MW, and a HW. Matches consist of a rumble, starting out with all LW's of 4 teams. When 1 bot is eliminated, the match is stopped and the eliminated bot is removed, to be replaced by the next bot in the team. This goes on until 3 teams are eliminated, last team standing wins the match.

16 entrants only
arena will be the RA2 Tournament arena
This will be ran in NarAI v2.2. All components legal in that are legal in the tourney
No BFE, AAM, etc. All building must be done in the bot lab.
No cheatbot2 parts, ai parts, or custom parts allowed.
bots must show controlled movement.
No multibots, since they wouldn't work right anyway.
Realistic rule enforced.
each bot in a team must be different types.
A strict limit of 4 flails PER TEAM.
Standard Havok restart rules.
Entrants AI'ing their own bots is preferred, however, i can AI if need be. But i expect no griping if i don't do it the way you want.

Prizes will be...well, i'm not sure yet. Sometime this week, i'm going to be working on learning to reskin components. So, it'll probably be something along those lines.

bracket is as follows

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/12112bracket.png)

and here's a quick (as quick as something like this can get) video of a match example

SOTF test match part 1.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6qTSwWDw6s&feature=channel#)

and since it couldn't be contained in 1 video, part 2
SOTF test match 2.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQiHkB0EUUE&feature=channel#)

Further suggestions? Any Gripes? Anything i've forgotten?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 12, 2010, 04:29:42 AM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 11, 2010, 03:55:08 PM
This will be ran in NarAI v2.2. All components legal in that are legal in the tourney

YES!

I am slowly conquering the RA2 world :P
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 12, 2010, 05:24:07 AM: Quote from: Naryar on April 12, 2010, 04:29:42 AM
I am slowly conquering the RA2 world :P

to Hell you are!!! :P
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 12, 2010, 05:37:11 AM: I am very aware if there is one Hell, i will go to it when i will die.

You do not seem to accept a rival in your world-takeon plans, huh ?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: JoeBlo on April 12, 2010, 05:55:53 AM: tis my plan of world domination not yours :gawe:
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 12, 2010, 06:14:02 AM: You are not enough of an evil mastermind to conquer the world.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Gazea2 on April 12, 2010, 11:04:35 AM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 11, 2010, 03:55:08 PM
Prizes will be...well, i'm not sure yet. Sometime this week, i'm going to be working on learning to reskin components. So, it'll probably be something along those lines.

If you want, I could make something for you. :)
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 12, 2010, 02:08:49 PM: Nar!! Joe!! Stop fighting, you can BOTH take over the world.

Quote from: Gazea2 on April 12, 2010, 11:04:35 AM

If you want, I could make something for you. :)

I'll keep you in mind then, thanks. I wanna see what i can do with it first, This is giving me a reason to learn how to do it. But if mine just flat out suck, I will appreciate the help :D.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Thyrus on April 12, 2010, 02:11:52 PM: Quote from: yoda9726 on April 12, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Nar!! Joe!! Stop fighting, you can BOTH take over the world.

together! ... *evilgrin* :P

Sorry Naryar.. I couldn`t resist
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Doomkiller on April 13, 2010, 06:19:04 AM: Quote from: Naryar on April 12, 2010, 05:37:11 AM
I am very aware if there is one Hell, i will go to it when i will die.

Your wrong. Joe is just using is best friend (me) to send you to heck.

MARCH IN THERE NOW :P
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Naryar on April 13, 2010, 06:40:28 AM: I will go to Hell when the time will come, but will slam open the doors of Hell and demons will bow before my might !

Quote from: Thyrus on April 12, 2010, 02:11:52 PM

together! ... *evilgrin* :P

Sorry Naryar.. I couldn`t resist

Your pathetic insinuations will force me one day to silence you in the worst way possible, silly yaoi fanboy.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Doomkiller on April 13, 2010, 06:52:52 AM: Ha. You have little willpower to overpower my demons. They are more intelligent than just mere zombies. cept the zombies.

You can try. But expect something unexpected.
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 13, 2010, 05:37:31 PM: Is it just me, or do Yoda's threads traditionally careen off topic like a Smart for 2 on a quarter mile slip and slide?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: 123savethewhales on April 13, 2010, 06:14:11 PM: Quote from: Doomkiller on April 13, 2010, 06:52:52 AM
Ha. You have little willpower to overpower my demons. They are more intelligent than just mere zombies. cept the zombies.

You can try. But expect something unexpected.

So they are trolls?
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: Doomkiller on April 13, 2010, 10:35:43 PM: No. Trolls are anonying little *beeps* that I did try to use, but they just don't listen.

Hellknights are far more loyaly
Title: Re: Survival of the Fittest (testing the waters)
Post by: yoda9726 on April 14, 2010, 03:38:51 AM: Quote from: Jack Daniels on April 13, 2010, 05:37:31 PM
Is it just me, or do Yoda's threads traditionally careen off topic like a Smart for 2 on a quarter mile slip and slide?

Thought i was the only one to notice that. lol. It's like i take playground with me everywhere i go.