Author Topic: Sorry guys. (A public apology to the community) (Read 2517 times)

takatsukiyayoi · « **on:** August 31, 2009, 04:29:33 AM »

Hello GTM forum members,

If you viewed any of the Micro Mayhem rounds you might have noticed that there are some small AI mistakes that I have unintentionally left in. Most notable of these included System32's Sit-n-Spin, "Twist and Turn 2", chasing and pushing rival bots instead of sitting and spinning, which cost him the tournament.

I believe that if one is to lose a tournament that his bot should be genuinely not as good as the bots that have defeated it; not because of the incompetence of the event administration. Well, that's exactly what happened to poor System32's bot. Because of my incompetence in AI binding editing/development, the bot didn't behave as S32 intended.

Because of my stupidity, ignorance, or what have you, someone got screwed over. Not only did I disappoint myself, I let down S32 and now he probably wants my ass in a grinder for what happened.

So, I post this as a public apology to the viewers of the Micro Mayhem tournament, to System32, and to whomever else I may have screwed over because of my incompetence.

TLDR: I did something stupid. I would like to ask for you guys to accept my apology.

Regards,
Yayoi.

Pwnator · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:34:56 AM »

Hey, it's fine. Good thing this was found out before the first round's completed. :D

JoeBlo · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:46:47 AM »

yeah its really ok well all make mistakes, I have had my fair share with Clash Cubes :-D like Pwnator said, no harm done since round 2 hasn't started

Naryar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2009, 05:03:15 AM »

Well redo the match.

System32 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2009, 11:57:05 AM »

I get a thread which is an entire apology?

Dude, chill.

I've took my 170 KG bot's fail as a lesson, and TaT 3 is already made.

I can AI almost any bot, including a TopKnot style stock bot, and SnS are still heckish bots to AI. Don't blame yourself, blame the fact that Whipper AI sucks balls for people to AI with. Just relax, and hope Mad makes corrisponding "Left only" and "Right only" SnS AI.

Urjak · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2009, 01:13:22 PM »

Quote from: System32;63297

Just relax, and hope Mad makes corrisponding "Left only" and "Right only" SnS AI.

If you mean an AI that makes the SNS spin in only one direction, then Mads FBS_1 covers that.

System32 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2009, 01:41:02 PM »

It does?! How?

Naryar · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2009, 01:46:40 PM »

'SpinDirection(1/-1)':
1 is CW, -1 is CCW.

System32 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2009, 02:56:51 PM »

YAY!!!!!!

somestrangeguy · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2009, 03:00:48 PM »

Quote from: Urjak;63313

If you mean an AI that makes the SNS spin in only one direction, then Mads FBS_1 covers that.

o_O?! ME WANT!

Natef · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2009, 06:49:00 PM »

It's fine, I guess we'll have to see what happens!

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:15:58 PM »

I think that it's really great that you care enough about hosting a tourney to post a formal public apology, but in all honesty, you're taking this much too seriously. AI mistakes happen all of the time. In fact, it was an AI mistake that prompted most of the community to learn how to AI. (I'm a bit hazy on some of the details, correct me if I'm wrong)

Story Time:

It was back during ianh05's Tag Team Tournament. In the first round, Inf and K343 were up against Barbie and eFFe. Inf had a SnS and Kill had a popup, and Barbie and eFFe both had popups. It was expected to be a close match, with Inf and Kill winning, because of Inf's SnS. The highly anticipated match turned out to be a dud though, due mainly to Kill's popup fishtailing frequently because of AI deficiencies. With the next few matches being affected in a similar way, there was a huge fallout about ian's AIing shortcomings. There were flame wars aplenty. Eventually, one main idea came out of the carnage: "If you want to participate in an AI tourney, you must either accept the standard of the host's AIing capabilities, or AI your own bot." Because no one wanted to end up screwed because of AI, tons of people learned how to AI to better their chances. Before this, only Starcore and some select builders (Mad, CB, etc.) knew how to AI. After this, I believe that SC wrote a tutorial on the old forums and had it stickied, so the masses learned how to AI. Ian re-did the whole tourney, and Sage and Sorrow won, with ian and myself finishing as the runners-up.

The End.

S32 seems to be okay with the loss, so I think you should proceed with the tourney. It's your first one, so it's a learning experience for you and we expect things like this to happen anyways. AI will never be a substitue for human driving.

The bottom line: don't worry about it; it's only a game. MM is an awesome tourney so far, and I can't wait for more action.

And + respect for the apology :)

Urjak · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:43:00 PM »

Very well said R0B0SH4RK.

takatsukiyayoi · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:47:40 PM »

Thanks for accepting my apology guys!

Now, let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kill343gs · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:10:06 PM »

Love the reference R0B0. But yeah yayoi, don't sweat it, really.

Naryar · « **Reply #15 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:47:28 AM »

Lesson : AI your own bot.

life robot arena2 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 01, 2009, 03:15:54 AM »

Quote from: Naryar;63430

Lesson : AI your own bot if you can.

Fixed it up.

Naryar · « **Reply #17 on:** September 01, 2009, 03:22:51 AM »

Quote from: life robot arena2;63435

Fixed it up.

Correct answer:

Quote from: System32;63029

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