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Title: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 26, 2010, 10:02:25 AM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/54497Mechapocalypse%20Logo%20Small.png)

Okay, so I'm kinda starting to get the hang of modding, namely reskinning arenas, and I also managed to find WeGame [albeit by accident], which I've been testing out with RA2. With this in mind, I reckon I'm about ready to have a shot at a tournament. Only limitation is that I'm not that good at AI'ing, but thankfully Gazea2's very kindly volunteered to help me with the AI.

The idea is that it's kinda set in some sort of of post-nuclear future, and resources are scarce, so people can only find so many bits to build robots with. With this in mind, there will be a restriction on the number of components you can use on your bot.

Here's what the arena'll look like:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/82126Deserted%20Arena%20Preview.png)

Plus first draft of the rules:

-DSL 2.1 MW
-Maximum 20 components. That's it. This inculdes everything. =D
-Your robot must be able to show controlled movement. Piston Fliers and Bumble Balls are therefore out.
-No cheatbot2, custom components, AI components, BFE, AAM, et cetera.
-All building must be done in the Bot Lab.
-Realistic rule applies, though you can glitch within it.
-No invincible armour, or cheaty wedges (MCB, Typhoon flag, etc.)
-No multibots, crawlers, or flail spinners either. I don't want havok bombs everywhere.
-One havok restart per match, and three for the whole tournament. Deal with it.
-Matches will be 2 minutes in a best of 3 rounds style.
-16 places, and there will be a loser's bracket. Yay. Winners & Loser's bracket champions will fight each other in the grand final, loser's bracket runner-up will receive 3rd place.
-Once the 16 places are filled, you'll have a week to send me any updates, as long as you don't massively change the bot. Swapping irons for razors, for instance, would be fine, but turning a popup into a rammer probably isn't. Adding more components is a kinda grey area here, more weapons on a rack seems fine, adding new wedges or drive motors probably isn't.

I was also planning to wait for the poll after next, to let some of the other tournaments through. ;)
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 26, 2010, 10:07:35 AM: I'd count the components on SnSnSnSnS 4 for this, but I'm not going to bother because of the arena. I may enter something else.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Gazea2 on September 26, 2010, 10:10:11 AM: I want to enter this. When will you post the component lists?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 26, 2010, 10:10:32 AM: if you haven't already thought about it, I suggest using apanx bot export since it tells you the number of components on the robot

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/page,page276.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/page,page276.html)
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 26, 2010, 10:12:34 AM: I'll try this, sounds fun.

*goes to build Masher 2012*
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 26, 2010, 10:16:13 AM: Quote from: JoeBlo on September 26, 2010, 10:10:32 AM
if you haven't already thought about it, I suggest using apanx bot export since it tells you the number of components on the robot

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/page,page276.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/page,page276.html)

I normally just count them on the bot file, but this could be useful. Thanks, Joe. =)
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Vertigo on September 26, 2010, 10:17:13 AM: Does the component count include batteries?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: madman3 on September 26, 2010, 10:19:14 AM: I'll have a go.
I think a VS or a Sawbot would be best, sawbot especially considering the low component usage. HS might work but would be average.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 26, 2010, 10:28:24 AM: Quote from: Vertigo on September 26, 2010, 10:17:13 AM
Does the component count include batteries?
Yes it does. =]
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Naryar on September 26, 2010, 10:28:44 AM: 20 components limit ? Not going to be easy...

We can already remove 4 for the drive (more or less would be foolish), 3 MINIMUM for the Power components... that makes no popups, no jugglers, no razor spam, what else ?

Heh. I already have an idea for this but unsure :P
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: J24 on September 26, 2010, 11:20:13 AM: Quote from: Gazea2 on September 26, 2010, 10:10:11 AM
I want to enter this. When will you post the component lists?

I think he just means 20 components overall (any ones)
if you want a components list come over to ~~the dark side~~ my tournament

anyway this sounds fun
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Gazea2 on September 27, 2010, 09:23:06 AM: ^Yeah. I didn't see it when it said about 20 components. >_<
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: madman3 on September 27, 2010, 12:43:58 PM: No MCB? They don't work half the time :(.
I'll gonna Piston Rammer for this one.
Oh nvmd just built a bot that works nicely. Anyone want to see?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on September 27, 2010, 02:07:25 PM: lol.
I was thinkin about a kind of Lego tourney today. Like everyone can only use the same components limited with a number like 2 irons 6 ants ...
Is that how this works?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 27, 2010, 02:11:24 PM: I wasn't planning on restricting what components you can use in this tourney, although I might try that at some point in the future. =)
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: J24 on September 27, 2010, 02:21:08 PM: Quote from: NFX on September 27, 2010, 02:11:24 PM
I wasn't planning on restricting what components you can use in this tourney, although I might try that at some point in the future. =)
*ahem*
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,4824.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,4824.0.html)
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on September 27, 2010, 02:34:57 PM: oh.. havn`t read that, sorry :o
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: powerrave on September 27, 2010, 04:17:38 PM: look interesting. wanna enter.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: 123savethewhales on September 27, 2010, 07:46:04 PM: Quote from: Naryar on September 26, 2010, 10:28:44 AM
20 components limit ? Not going to be easy...

We can already remove 4 for the drive (more or less would be foolish), 3 MINIMUM for the Power components... that makes no popups, no jugglers, no razor spam, what else ?

Heh. I already have an idea for this but unsure :P

Why would you use 3 power components? This is one of those incidences where those large batteries aren't so bad.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Naryar on September 28, 2010, 02:41:41 AM: Quote from: 123savethewhales on September 27, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: Naryar on September 26, 2010, 10:28:44 AM
20 components limit ? Not going to be easy...

We can already remove 4 for the drive (more or less would be foolish), 3 MINIMUM for the Power components... that makes no popups, no jugglers, no razor spam, what else ?

Heh. I already have an idea for this but unsure :P

Why would you use 3 power components? This is one of those incidences where those large batteries aren't so bad.

2 ants, 1 AX2550.

And as you know, in electotal, ants pwn all the other batteries.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 28, 2010, 03:53:47 AM: it will probably be hammer spinners central :P since spin motors require less power then bursts and hammers are strong weapons for a low component count

either that or lots of rammers :P
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: powerrave on September 28, 2010, 04:12:09 AM: this tourney may actually work well, bringing now bots to light that otherwise may never have been build.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: madman3 on September 28, 2010, 12:49:39 PM: Quote from: JoeBlo on September 28, 2010, 03:53:47 AM
it will probably be hammer spinners central :P since spin motors require less power then bursts and hammers are strong weapons for a low component count

either that or lots of rammers :P
I'm slightly worried about rammers but the bot I've already built is perfect against spinners. See my showcase.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on October 02, 2010, 11:20:51 AM: Anyone else interested in this idea?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: powerrave on October 02, 2010, 11:44:48 AM: yes...
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Clickbeetle on October 03, 2010, 08:20:41 PM: Quote from: Naryar on September 26, 2010, 10:28:44 AM
20 components limit ? Not going to be easy...

We can already remove 4 for the drive (more or less would be foolish), 3 MINIMUM for the Power components... that makes no popups, no jugglers, no razor spam, what else ?

Heh. I already have an idea for this but unsure :P

I bet you could still make a decent popup or juggler if you really tried. It would just need to be a little different than the current standard (hecko, chassis wedge!). Just like the standard razor flail shell spinner won't work; you will need to use hammers. Razor spam, however, definitely won't work.

I like this idea. It seems to me that it will actually produce more realistic designs, since you will want to attach as much stuff to the baseplate as possible (to limit extender work) and use fewer, heavier weapons. Maybe even fewer, heavier batteries.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on October 04, 2010, 02:24:49 PM: *goes to build an SS that would be considered epic 2 years ago*
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Naryar on October 05, 2010, 01:48:25 AM: Quote from: Badnik96 on October 04, 2010, 02:24:49 PM
*goes to build an SS that would be considered epic 2 years ago*

My rammer faild, either i'm going to build Tempest 4 either a popup.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: powerrave on October 05, 2010, 05:22:49 AM: i do have some idea... but now entirely sure... ... =[
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on October 06, 2010, 12:20:33 PM: Okay, sit rep, I've managed to sort out the problem with Halestorm 5's AI, and I reckon I could AI most of the potential entries myself now. I'll have a chat with Gazea2 about the AI'ing situation.

Also, the only prize I can come up with at the moment is the arena. =P
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on October 06, 2010, 02:10:40 PM: I got a VS idea, if I'm calculating right it should have 18 components.

*goes to build*
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: powerrave on October 06, 2010, 02:55:40 PM: some here, but i ended up with 20 components... still need to do some editing as... it goes to fast for its own good.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on October 09, 2010, 11:02:41 AM: This seems to have more interest than I thought it would do. =) Which is good.

Having quite a big workload at uni at the moment, however, so I might wait until the poll after next until I give this the green tick.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on November 06, 2010, 07:04:22 AM: Okay, this tournament is receiving the GREEN TICK, and will proceed to the poll for the Signups Stage. I think I've got everything sorted out for it, and I hope to make this tourney the best I can. =D
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: 70 CUDA on November 12, 2010, 06:00:48 AM: dose this include the control board?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Naryar on November 12, 2010, 06:10:01 AM: Yes.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: 70 CUDA on November 12, 2010, 06:39:08 AM: i thoght so just making sure. lol i counted up mine and got 16 lol
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: Clickbeetle on November 25, 2010, 10:01:02 PM: Muhahaha, I got a bot for this... exactly 20 components and it counters the three bot types I think will be most common in this tournament fairly reliably. (Those are HS, VS, and rammers.) And as an added bonus, it looks cool.

Hope this goes through next poll... there are a LOT of tournaments with green ticks.
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: madman3 on November 27, 2010, 08:03:50 AM: I have another counter bot I made about an hour ago...
oh and would two big orange bats and a battlepack be able to run 2 small JXs and 2 npcfasts?
Title: Re: Mechapocalypse Discussion
Post by: NFX on November 27, 2010, 08:05:38 AM: I'm starting to like this. =D From the sounds of it, there's going to be a lot of robots built to counter other robot types. Should make for interesting brackets.