Match Appeal Rules

[Somebody]

I just had a few ideas for when it might be appropriate to appeal a match outcome. Only the builder of the bot should be able to do this, not anybody else.

Havok: If a tournament has havok explosion restart rules, and the builder thinks that one was broken that affected his bot, but the match was not restarted, the builder can appeal the result. If it is a reasonable appeal (decided by a tourney host, whether they have a reason, or its in the rules, etc.) Either a mod or the tourney host will post a poll, and people can decide whether or not the match should be restarted. If the people vote to redo the match, it will be redone.

AI: If the builder AIs the bot himself, he cannot appeal an AI Error. If an AI error clearly affects your bot and the outcome of a match, the builder can appeal the match result. If it is a reasonable appeal, a mod or the tourney host will post a poll, and the people will again decide the outcome of a match.

If the tourney host realizes the mistake, he can agree to redo the match without a poll, but if there is a good amount of argument about the point, then a poll can be posted.

Sound Good?

[Badnik96]

YES. THANK YOU.

[JoeBlo]

Hooray for more rules 

one things are not very clear

what if a perfectly mobile robot just simply doesnt break count ? (it does happen) and becasue the owner AI'd it they cannot appeal ? yet Clickbeetle does issue restarts for that ?

My Thoughts

Havok rules should be specified in the rule set, that is a requirement so no debating over that one.. thats at the hosts discretion what happens in a havok situation.

AI errors are AI errors and shoudl be fixed and trialed to see a difference in results, if it improves the match is refilmed. people will complain about its unfair the match restarted but what about the first match ? your opponent had an incorrectly AI'd robot? and thats fair is it ?

if a robot doesn't use the strategy you want (different python, controls wired, etc) and you didnt specify with the host what you wanted, you have no case we are not mind readers so  we cannot predict, its your job to wire everything correctly and specify what you want it to do. In this event I usually fix it for the next round but there is no do overs for that match.

(this one is my own personal rules so people may not use it)

while these can be used as a sample or template I dont agree with them imposed on all tournaments, it should be up to the host to use them otherwise they have some aspects of there tournament out of there control 

[Resetti's Replicas]

What about when a bot gets high-centred on an arena saw or a broken component?  Is that grounds for a restart?

[Viper89]

My Thoughts


if a robot doesn't use the strategy you want (different python, controls wired, etc) and you didnt specify with the host what you wanted, you have no case we are not mind readers so  we cannot predict, its your job to wire everything correctly and specify what you want it to do. In this event I usually fix it for the next round but there is no do overs for that match.

(this one is my own personal rules so people may not use it) ( People should use it)

QFT

[Scrap Daddy]

Havoks that completely change the outcome of a match should result in a restart. Just a havok that does nothing shouldn't be a restart.

and AI it yourself or deal with it.

[JoeBlo]

Havoks that completely change the outcome of a match should result in a restart. Just a havok that does nothing shouldn't be a restart.

the point I was making about that is.. in Naryars case, NARAI wars specified disqualification on havok, that is why its a mandatory rule to add in tournaments, but thats the hosts decision, they could have havoking allowed if they want, thats why I dont think tournaments should be dictated by this

[Scrap Daddy]

But what if the bots just havok away from each other. That doesn't justify a disqualification.

[JoeBlo]

your completely over looking what it is I am saying, so let me fish it out

that is why its a mandatory rule to add in tournaments, but thats the hosts decision, they could have havoking allowed if they want, thats why I dont think tournaments should be dictated by this

its mandatory to explain your havok rule set in sign ups or no approval, I always ask people to clarify them for understanding

what I understand from this thread is that Somebody was suggesting this as a general rule set that applys to all tournaments, while its a good to have for people to follow I disagree with it being enforced on all tournaments, its the hosts discretion (as outlined in the rules) what happens

they could specify any havoks get disqualification or match effecting havoks get a restart.. its there choice so long as they follow correctly what they said.