Author Topic: I'm Thinking about starting a tourney, anyone wanna help (Read 3662 times)

ka0s gh0st · « **on:** July 17, 2010, 10:03:39 AM »

I am thinking about starting a tournament. I already have decided on rules and such. I even made a website for it. Basically all i need is someone to AI bots for people who don't want to/or cant (such as me)

I already have various screen capture programs, I will be trying to find the right one within the next few days.

Also, I might shrink it down from the current list of classes, unless i can get some major help on this tournament. The submission form is also currently being worked on too.

please tell me what you think of this, any helpful criticism would also be appreciated.

ka0scup.webs.com is the website, in case you didn't see the link.

G.K. · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:06:20 AM »

They don't call me the Tournament Paramedic for nothing. My help in AI/Splashing is yours for a mostly free price.

Stagfish · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:07:28 AM »

People who started tourneys straight away have always failed.

G.K. · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:11:58 AM »

Badnik didn't. Nor did Yoda.

FOTEPX · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:12:14 AM »

Most people don't even know you on here. I'd suggest waiting until you at least are a Middleweight.

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:13:39 AM »

Look at his website, it's organised.
OK, Pure stock: What do you mean no glitches? No "overlapping of weapons" or eFFeing or what?
Are AI parts allowed
WTF, no smartzones?
Pro Stock: Cheatbot 2 parts? Is this allowing cannons and magnets?
Random movement..... NASTY PICKLE GLITCH
Modified:Unrealistic DSL?
Super Modified: This won't work unless you balance components.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2010, 10:17:13 AM »

you appear to have put loads of thought into this.. thats a good sign looks much better then some of the tournaments we have allowed to scrap through in the past.

I suggest starting smaller though, something much easier to manage, once you pull it off you will gain a big step up in experience and respect then progress to larger size tournaments.

also the "DragRacingNut" side of me is liking the Classes "Pro Stock" "Modified" and "Super Modified" lol

ka0s gh0st · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:02:05 PM »

Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on July 17, 2010, 10:13:39 AM

Look at his website, it's organised.
OK, Pure stock: What do you mean no glitches? No "overlapping of weapons" or eFFeing or what?
Are AI parts allowed
WTF, no smartzones?
Pro Stock: Cheatbot 2 parts? Is this allowing cannons and magnets?
Random movement..... NASTY PICKLE GLITCH
Modified:Unrealistic DSL?
Super Modified: This won't work unless you balance components.

Purestock would be the enrty level class, henche that is why a lot is not allowed. When I designed the rules, I was trying to keep someone who does not know about the glitches in mind also, but also allow the more advanced users who can build crazy awesome bots that involve some parts passing thru parts in the class too. Also, its for a clean folder only, so smartzones would not show up on the parts list, as well as AI parts

Pro stock is still no custom components. However, to make it a different class, I allowed every glitch, and also cheatbot 2 parts, exept hover. Hover is excluded since that could make a match go for the full time without any damage done to that bot.

Yes an unrealistic DSL, I was also thinking about making a Realistic DSL class. Also I'm going to try to run the super modified classs, if that doesn't work out, I would make the modifieds a realistic DSL and the supermodifieds an unrealistic DSL. Or I might compile a list of components that are legal for it.

Quote from: JoeBlo on July 17, 2010, 10:17:13 AM

you appear to have put loads of thought into this.. thats a good sign looks much better then some of the tournaments we have allowed to scrap through in the past.

I suggest starting smaller though, something much easier to manage, once you pull it off you will gain a big step up in experience and respect then progress to larger size tournaments.

also the "DragRacingNut" side of me is liking the Classes "Pro Stock" "Modified" and "Super Modified" lol

Maybe I could run just 1 class, until i get better, and leave the infastructure there, and improve upon it as I learn. Then, once I get good enough, I could run more.

Racing is where i got the idea for each class name. Mostly circle track around where I live, kinda made each class how those classes there are, the higher the class, the more stuff is legal.

I also got the "ultimate robot build off" idea from TV, from the ultimate car build off. I liked the one where they took a hearse and made it a rock crawler

Quote from: G.K. on July 17, 2010, 10:06:20 AM

They don't call me the Tournament Paramedic for nothing. My help in AI/Splashing is yours for a mostly free price.

thanks, I put ur name in the VIP section. (I don't know yet what would determine staff vs VIP)

also, what is "mostly free" price???

G.K. · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:03:30 PM »

actually, Smartzones are an essential part of the AI process. Any bot with pistons/burst motors needs them to work, basically.

ka0s gh0st · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:08:52 PM »

Quote from: G.K. on July 17, 2010, 12:03:30 PM

actually, Smartzones are an essential part of the AI process. Any bot with pistons/burst motors needs them to work, basically.

I was not aware of that. I guess smartzones are legal. any specific one i should have listed as legal?

JoeBlo · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:10:59 PM »

Madiaba's ones are the most used for sure (and best)

ka0s gh0st · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:22:43 PM »

MDBsmart-zones_v3.rar is the file???

Sage · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:31:43 PM »

Ugh. This is why tournaments are becoming less important. So many people are just hosting random ones that the fact that tournaments used to mean something is definitely being over run

JoeBlo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:33:30 PM »

http://www.madiaba.gametechmods.com/Smart_Zones_v3.rar

download the file, extract the contents and put it in your RA2 components folder

its a good idea if you do your research on components and how they are inserted and operated in the game before you start operating a custom tournament

ianh05 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2010, 01:30:17 PM »

Kaos i suggest learning how to AI, it really isn't that difficult and I'm sure someone here can teach you. I also suggest that after learning how to AI you try hosting a private tournament with a friend or 2 because hosting tourneys is a lot harder then most people think and because of that more and more fail.

i learned the basics of AI'ing before i hosted any tournament and it certainly helped me and my tournaments, if people know that you have taken a little time to learn how to AI the Bots then maybe they will believe you will have the time to host a successful tournament.

Somebody · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2010, 02:55:27 PM »

Learn how to AI
Look at some of the ground rules of other tourneys
Stay on a little while BEFORE starting this
And have fun and don't ditch out, change rules, change arena, etc. once it starts.

ACAMS · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2010, 03:43:14 PM »

ALL new tournaments will be on hold until at least half of the others finish.....so I suggest you guys start building bots for current tournaments ALREADY OPEN FOR SIGN-UPS, and get them finished before talking about new ones......ESPECIALLY if you can not AI and do not even know what smart zones are for............read the rules!

ka0s gh0st · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2010, 05:44:42 PM »

Quote from: ACAMS on July 17, 2010, 03:43:14 PM

ALL new tournaments will be on hold until at least half of the others finish.....so I suggest you guys start building bots for current tournaments ALREADY OPEN FOR SIGN-UPS, and get them finished before talking about new ones......ESPECIALLY if you can not AI and do not even know what smart zones are for............read the rules!

I could instead learn to AI. How many tourneys are actually running? I was looking thru them and there seems to be multiple ones in there, not the same 1 repeated, but sequels to older competitions. The only reason I haven't learned to AI is I never needed to. I have never entered in another competition/tourney. I'm not very good at making bots IMO, and I am prolly not even remotely close as to being called decent,

Seeing as how there seems to be a lot of people who don't want new tourneys, I will wait. I have to wait at least 7 days anyways to fix the submit bot page, as the site is provisional. This Does Not Mean I Am Giving Up On The Idea. I will leave everything up and, since it hasn't started, refine the rules and such.

How many people visited my site to see how it was set up?

Badnik96 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2010, 07:15:50 PM »

I saw it, needs to have unrealistic stock and realistic DSL. Clickbeetle has a basic rule set for tournaments on his website (Don't have the link, posting from DSI). You should read them, then add on to them as you see fit.

ka0s gh0st · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2010, 11:35:45 AM »

Quote from: Badnik96 on July 17, 2010, 07:15:50 PM

I saw it, needs to have unrealistic stock and realistic DSL. Clickbeetle has a basic rule set for tournaments on his website (Don't have the link, posting from DSI). You should read them, then add on to them as you see fit.

i was thinking about having a realistic DSL. If I Did, Pure stock = realistic stock, Pro stock = unrealistic stock, Modifieds = Realistic DSL, Super Modifieds = Unrealistic DSL. The current super modified could really cause a lot of problems, so i am really leaning towards switching it.