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Robot Arena Matches => Tournaments => Tournament Archives => Topic started by: 09090901 on January 30, 2019, 03:38:28 PM
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Well, it can't get any worse can it?
So title topic says it all. Post your thoughts and ideas on a potential GTMCS 3.
If it does happen this year then I think we can all agree that we should have multiple hosts from the start of the tournament. I do have a fee people who offered to host the next GTMCS, but idk if those offers are still valid.
Personally I hope we can find a working system for GTMCS. The last one was the largest tournament in GTM's recent history
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Group stages heck
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Give it better organisation and structure Boomer.
P.S Badnik lesbian
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I'd like to see the use of a RW series 7 format, everyone has 4 entries, and seeded robots do not count towards the 4 entries (16 seeds will be chosen by the top 16 of GTMCS2) and if we hit more than 128 entries, we will have qualifier rounds.
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I'm down for another GTMCS. Personally I'd prefer just straight up the same straight double elim format as the last one but executed in a more timely manner. To me a heat/group format just doesn't seem right for an "official" tourney.
Gotta have all 3 of the main metas represented in my mind too, since this is meant to represent all of GTM.
Don't agree with allowing multiple entries either. 1 or maybe 2 in each meta seems about right to me. Force people to narrow down to their best rather than reentering the same old sh** we've seen 45 times before in other tournies.
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I'm down for another GTMCS. Personally I'd prefer just straight up the same straight double elim format as the last one but executed in a more timely manner. To me a heat/group format just doesn't seem right for an "official" tourney.
Gotta have all 3 of the main metas represented in my mind too, since this is meant to represent all of GTM.
Don't agree with allowing multiple entries either. 1 or maybe 2 in each meta seems about right to me. Force people to narrow down to their best rather than reentering the same old sh** we've seen 45 times before in other tournies.
This TBH.
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I can host irl part
I have clinical depression
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Double Elimination is the simplest approach that makes sure people don't get quickly taken out by my generic 36hs. It also brings back memories to the BBEANS generation. I would prefer this overall.
Heats have worked generally work on tournament style TV shows because you get a lot of content/contestants in and out. But the system is not fair to people who get bad draws. To fix that you either lot of fairly applied wildcard spots or you a large, time-consuming, Frankenstein formats akin to what was seen in the Robot Wars reboot.
Something really unique would be a system based off of some North American (and Australian) sports. You have a "group stage" with 8 groups of 8. You earn points based on how you win your fights and the top robot(s) from each group advance to a championship tournament. The twist is that instead of a generic round-robin some extra matches will be held between members of different groups. In my view, those last matches are more dramatic because they’re each affecting two groups.
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Keep the double elimination. It works well for this sort of tournament being easy to set up with all the metas.
Like wise, I would like to see an selection of definite back-up hosts. Seeing the course of the last tournament, Badnik wasn't a bad host until hardware difficulties and other issues occurred, resulting in GTMCS2 being put on hiatus for weeks or even months. Because Badnik was the only host, no one could just pick-up the tournament from when the host slips on schedule due to Badnik, holding onto the majority of GTMCS2's bots and AI bindings. It wasn't until Kill step in around September last year to give the files to the mods. As a result, the tournament took almost a year to complete, when it could of been over much quicker. By having definite, multiple hosts, if one slips on schedule, another could take over with ease, preventing most of the issues from last time around.
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I mean, if nothing else, I might be able to chip in and offer a hand. Maybe with at least one section of the tourney.
Also, this is more a suggestion, I get diversity is nice and all, but should we at least try all metas with just a HW weightclass? It's probably the most popular weightclass, it's simple for hosts, could provide some entertaining matches, and give the builder a good amount of freedom in design to be honest.
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If nobody else steps up I'm happy to host the DSL-S section, or at least help with AI-ing or editing if need be
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retooled bracket pls
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I'd like to see the use of a RW series 7 format, everyone has 4 entries, and seeded robots do not count towards the 4 entries (16 seeds will be chosen by the top 16 of GTMCS2) and if we hit more than 128 entries, we will have qualifier rounds.
cringe & bluepilled. what you're describing sounds like you want gtmcs to become a chinese knockoff of OW
I'm down for another GTMCS. Personally I'd prefer just straight up the same straight double elim format as the last one but executed in a more timely manner. To me a heat/group format just doesn't seem right for an "official" tourney.
Gotta have all 3 of the main metas represented in my mind too, since this is meant to represent all of GTM.
Don't agree with allowing multiple entries either. 1 or maybe 2 in each meta seems about right to me. Force people to narrow down to their best rather than reentering the same old sh** we've seen 45 times before in other tournies.
based & billypilled. agreed on the current format
I can host irl part
I have clinical depression
same Double Elimination is the simplest approach that makes sure people don't get quickly taken out by my generic 36hs. It also brings back memories to the BBEANS generation. I would prefer this overall.
Heats have worked generally work on tournament style TV shows because you get a lot of content/contestants in and out. But the system is not fair to people who get bad draws. To fix that you either lot of fairly applied wildcard spots or you a large, time-consuming, Frankenstein formats akin to what was seen in the Robot Wars reboot.
Something really unique would be a system based off of some North American (and Australian) sports. You have a "group stage" with 8 groups of 8. You earn points based on how you win your fights and the top robot(s) from each group advance to a championship tournament. The twist is that instead of a generic round-robin some extra matches will be held between members of different groups. In my view, those last matches are more dramatic because they’re each affecting two groups.
sounds way too complex for both the host and the average viewer tbh
I mean, if nothing else, I might be able to chip in and offer a hand. Maybe with at least one section of the tourney.
Also, this is more a suggestion, I get diversity is nice and all, but should we at least try all metas with just a HW weightclass? It's probably the most popular weightclass, it's simple for hosts, could provide some entertaining matches, and give the builder a good amount of freedom in design to be honest.
all 3 metas will probably end up as HW since the only remaining weightclass for the stock/IF divisions is HW, and IRL really isn't that popular below HW (not counting CW).
If people want to vote on the weightclasses, then I'm cool with that as well. although i do feel that HW would be the best for all three metas involved
retooled bracket pls
delete retooled and your account
The arena to be used is still up in the air. One idea I had was to use a different arena for each meta to help certain bot types in stock and If.
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The arena to be used is still up in the air. One idea I had was to use a different arena for each meta to help certain bot types in stock and If.
The GTMCS2 arena seemed to work pretty well for IRL and Stock. In an arena that was harder to get OOTAs in verts would probably have dominated even more than they ended up doing in the IRL division.
Stock seemed to work okay too. Maybe an arena with something in the centre a la the BBEANS arena would have prevented the boxrush install KOs that we saw, but then that would take away the viability of a but like Fractures, which was pretty neat to watch wrecking HSes and Popups last time.
IF is the only real place I can see needing a substantial change of arena. Flippers are already strong as hell in IF and in arena with walls as low as the GTMCS2 arena had one was always gonna win.
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The arena to be used is still up in the air. One idea I had was to use a different arena for each meta to help certain bot types in stock and If.
The GTMCS2 arena seemed to work pretty well for IRL and Stock. In an arena that was harder to get OOTAs in verts would probably have dominated even more than they ended up doing in the IRL division.
Stock seemed to work okay too. Maybe an arena with something in the centre a la the BBEANS arena would have prevented the boxrush install KOs that we saw, but then that would take away the viability of a but like Fractures, which was pretty neat to watch wrecking HSes and Popups last time.
IF is the only real place I can see needing a substantial change of arena. Flippers are already strong as hell in IF and in arena with walls as low as the GTMCS2 arena had one was always gonna win.
Box rush kills aren't my biggest worry with stock, it's mainly how dominant HS are compared to other bot types at the HW level. that is just the nature of the meta tho, and they aren't completely invincible so if nobody else has an issue I'm fine with whatever arena people want
IF will probably be either an enclosed arena or the old arena with flippers banned (and maybe a very small increase to wall height since imo the walls are way too short for IF HW)
other that that, are we good with using the gtmcs 2 arena? or would you prefer a different one?
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I would still prefer something like the BBEANS V2 Arena if just for a hazard that actually tests turning or wedge capabilities of the AI. I also agree with the arena for IF being enclosed or banning flippers entirely. If possible, maybe the ELBITE arena could provide the best of both worlds? Hell, maybe just give every meta a unique arena designed with it in mind so that each tournament feels a tad more unique. Just a thought.
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I would still prefer something like the BBEANS V2 Arena if just for a hazard that actually tests turning or wedge capabilities of the AI. I also agree with the arena for IF being enclosed or banning flippers entirely. If possible, maybe the ELBITE arena could provide the best of both worlds? Hell, maybe just give every meta a unique arena designed with it in mind so that each tournament feels a tad more unique. Just a thought.
I'm really not a fan of hazards in the center of the arena, or at least the one bbeans arena. fme, it usually just screws over wide robots that get snagged on the barrier, or it just force everyone to use a higher than average radius that screws with the AI when it's near the flippers
Haven't seen the elbite arena yet but I'll check it out
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I'm a big fan of the ELBITE arena. It's the most balanced arena for all bot types in my experience
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elbite cool :ok_hand:
just reskin it :ok_hand:
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We should have gtmcs 2.1 1st heck
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reviving this since there's been some talk about a potential gtmcs 3
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Think this is gonna be something necessary for the future of GTM if we want to be seen more seriously. Big official sh** like GTMCS is important for image and getting new people on the site. I’d be down to help however I can
Likewise, depend on how it gets formatted, etc. I have some ideas
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Think this is gonna be something necessary for the future of GTM if we want to be seen more seriously. Big official sh** like GTMCS is important for image and getting new people on the site. I’d be down to help however I can
agreed. i don't think i'll be able to help too much (can't host anything for sh**), but i would like to see this happen. plus, showing stock, dsl-s, and ironforge fights in this can help introduce new people to those metas, which hasn't been happening all too much IMO.
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standard is 100% mandatory for a competitive tournament.
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just gonna say, if it's only like a 60/40 spilt in favor of 3 irl divisions then we're probably going to go with 3 different metas. irl is still being included, and I think more people would be happy with a stock/if division than being bummed out about there not being an irl lw/mw/cw division
the weight classes will most likely be hw for all 3 metas as its the only remaining one left for stock and if, and sub hw is aids for IRL
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alright so the poll isn't finished, but it looks like the 3 metas will be stock hw (unrealistic), ironforge hw (standard), and dsl 2.2 (irl)
as for irl rules: would people prefer the 2/4 or 4/6 meta? which ever one passes will be slightly modified to a little more encompassing in terms of weapons, but it'll still. be familiar to those who play IRL
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alright so the poll isn't finished, but it looks like the 3 metas will be stock hw (unrealistic), ironforge hw (standard), and dsl 2.2 (irl)
as for irl rules: would people prefer the 2/4 or 4/6 meta? which ever one passes will be slightly modified to a little more encompassing in terms of weapons, but it'll still. be familiar to those who play IRL
Id honestly go for 2/4 meta, as even tho matches will be potentially less destructive/more boring, other types would have better chances winning and the tournament would likely have less spinners
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
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Will this tournament be DSL - IRL? And I think, that commentary would be nice.
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Will this tournament be DSL - IRL? And I think, that commentary would be nice.
just gonna say, if it's only like a 60/40 spilt in favor of 3 irl divisions then we're probably going to go with 3 different metas. irl is still being included, and I think more people would be happy with a stock/if division than being bummed out about there not being an irl lw/mw/cw division
the weight classes will most likely be hw for all 3 metas as its the only remaining one left for stock and if, and sub hw is aids for IRL
there's 3 different divisions, the most popular one is going to be dsl irl
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Will this tournament be DSL - IRL? And I think, that commentary would be nice.
just gonna say, if it's only like a 60/40 spilt in favor of 3 irl divisions then we're probably going to go with 3 different metas. irl is still being included, and I think more people would be happy with a stock/if division than being bummed out about there not being an irl lw/mw/cw division
the weight classes will most likely be hw for all 3 metas as its the only remaining one left for stock and if, and sub hw is aids for IRL
there's 3 different divisions, the most popular one is going to be dsl irl
Oh great! I think I will try to build a stock bot, too. Just for fun
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
yeah and that's more people than who play dsl 2.2 standard heck
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
Ok so the tournament would consist of Reier, You and Dreamcast
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
Ok so the tournament would consist of Reier, You and Dreamcast
mate i'll enter it if it's only them 3. might win for once.
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I'd be down for IF, stock, and IRL
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
How’s boomer brawl going?
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Ironforge is literally only played by Reier. DSL should be used for Standard.
How’s boomer brawl going?
Its now in tournament archives heck
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Mocking unpopular metas is a nice way to reinforce why we're considered a clique.
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Mocking unpopular metas is a nice way to reinforce why we're considered a clique.
and stock and dsl-s are universally regarded as being the """wrong""" way to play the game outside of gtm. people are well aware of the elitist history behind those metas
regardless, it's going to to be ironforge hw.
also woke news: in true zoomer style we now have a server https://discord.gg/nYn9FS
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few updates: IRL arena will probably be a modified robot wars series 7 arena
we're currently voting on the teeth limit for irl
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few updates: IRL arena will probably be a modified robot wars series 7 arena
we're currently voting on the teeth limit for irl
Series 7 arena has oota zones issues. Mainly one being infront of the the front wall
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Suggestion - IRL Parsec as a 4th "meta"/subtournament
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Suggestion - IRL Parsec as a 4th "meta"/subtournament
Mid season mini tournament :really_makes_you_think:
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Suggestion - IRL Parsec as a 4th "meta"/subtournament
Mid season mini tournament :really_makes_you_think:
Yes
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Suggestion - IRL Parsec as a 4th "meta"/subtournament
Mid season mini tournament :really_makes_you_think:
pw(gtmc)s 7
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can we have an irl tournament without a ****ing pit
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can we have an irl tournament without a ****ing pit
we were discussing the potential of disabling the pit
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can we have an irl tournament without a ****ing pit
we were discussing the potential of disabling the pit
I think in a tournament like GTMCS the pit being disabled makes sense. I'm normally somewhat pro-pit (despite it robbing me in the grand final of OW3 heck) as I think it adds an extra factor than just "who has the most typhoons", but in a flagship tournament I don't think it would be a good look to have fights decided by such a pure RNG factor
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Speaking of hazards
https://youtu.be/y-mLockDjBc
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I think we should fight on the lava island arena
Jk what's wrong with the Trauma Pit?
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DSL Tournament Arena sounds fine enough, it will be different from the Robogames and RW 2016 Arena
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ready for my de facto ironforge win
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bruh time to enter irl in all categories
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ready for my de facto ironforge win
Excuse me sir
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Where are the rules for entering?
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Where are the rules for entering?
Signups aren’t even open yet
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vote now on your phones
Update since there was a little bit of talk earlier about this
More than likely we'll continue the GTMCS tradition of hosting there different metas (unrealistic, IRL, standard), but I would like to know what people would prefer for standard. For reference, IF was used for the previous two tournaments, and neither 2.1 or 2.2 have been used for the standard bracket
Assuming there's still some interest, we'll look into discussing the other meats at a later date as well
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Bah I voted 2,2 but I meant 2,1...
How much is the host fee ?