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Title: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ACAMS on January 30, 2010, 06:11:04 PM
Need help with a tournament?, AI help?, Vid help?, want somebody to team with you to do a tournament? or have an idea for those stupped on what to do?
 
Post here.
 
 
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on January 31, 2010, 09:35:02 AM
me needs someone to AI ROBONOVA robots so ACAMS will reopen the discussion
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on January 31, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
my suggestion to you is to learn basic AIing yourself

follow one of the many tutorials on here.. if you ever need help ask me but if you pop open the bindings.py in notepad you will see it isnt at all that complex 

 ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 31, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
Talk to me on Hamachi sometime and I can teach you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on January 31, 2010, 10:53:29 AM
WOOT S_M TAUGHT ME HOW TO AI!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 31, 2010, 10:56:33 AM
Um, Yeah 1 bot that doesn't work very well.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on January 31, 2010, 11:09:41 AM
SSG taught me how to AI. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on January 31, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
S_M is a good AI teacher. He taught me too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on March 02, 2010, 08:03:26 AM
discussion for that topic is here

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,3401
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on March 02, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
I need some help with TT.I need someone to film about 3 more matchs.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: lloopp D lloopp on March 02, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
No offence, but not many people will want to help you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on March 02, 2010, 10:49:13 AM
No. You start, you finish. You don't want to be MKB reincarnated, do you?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on March 03, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
Can someone please give me fraps or ZD soft.


Thanks, 090901.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sparkey98 on March 04, 2010, 09:25:21 AM
can someone AI for the tourny I might make?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on March 04, 2010, 05:22:34 PM
can someone AI for the tourny I might make?
Ok ok ok, I will.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on March 13, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
In the distant future I plan to host a tournament that involves competitors rebuilding others' first showcased bots.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on March 13, 2010, 07:55:31 AM
Sounds good
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on March 13, 2010, 07:55:52 AM
Someone will have to do your car!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on March 13, 2010, 07:56:48 AM
I'd like to see that.
EDIT: Bagsy Lobos
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Bubbleman on April 28, 2010, 01:23:23 PM
BUMP
me needs someone to ai my robot for combat clusters
Ignore that, i'll just ask 090901 to do it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on April 28, 2010, 01:27:52 PM
I'll do it if you need me to.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on May 02, 2010, 03:33:51 PM
I noticed that After all, CA2 wasn't very popular... But you can't always win. :ermm:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on May 02, 2010, 04:41:10 PM
:O

It was popular! You got 24 entrants!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jack Daniels on May 02, 2010, 05:38:32 PM
I noticed that After all, CA2 wasn't very popular... But you can't always win. :ermm:

I am not sure how you measure popularity of a tournament.  Participation (as GK pointed out) is a good indicator.  However, I think a lot of builders feel stumped by building AW robots due to the limitations.  I, for one, enjoy that kind of challenge.

CA2, to me, ranked behind BBEANS and Clash Cubes as far as my favorite tournaments go.

You do a great job with recording and speed of posting videos.  I am proud to have participated in Combat Ants.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on May 02, 2010, 11:22:27 PM
CA2, to me, ranked behind N00b Warz, BBEANS and Clash Cubes as far as my favorite tournaments go (in that order).
:P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on May 03, 2010, 01:48:20 AM
n00b warz wasnt DSL :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on July 05, 2010, 05:35:05 PM
BUMP
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
How do you film a full match with Fraps? I have the trial, and I can only film for about 15-20 seconds before the vid stops. :rage
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jack Daniels on July 05, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
BUMP
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
How do you film a full match with Fraps? I have the trial, and I can only film for about 15-20 seconds before the vid stops. :rage

You buy it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 05, 2010, 09:31:19 PM
or pause the game every 10 seconds and have a heckish time editing each match
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 06, 2010, 12:56:03 AM
That's what I do for BTTB. Works like a treat.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: somestrangeguy on July 06, 2010, 02:40:17 AM
You go trough that much trouble? I could drop you ZD soft recorder with a CD key to register it with if you dont want to go trough heck during editing.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 06, 2010, 07:50:34 AM
Is that illegal?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 06, 2010, 08:06:48 AM
well some software does allow multiple licenses.. but im going to go with no :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 06, 2010, 10:27:01 AM
So it's legal?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 06, 2010, 10:37:58 AM
read my post again, I never said either way, some companies allow multiple licenses and some don't.

eg: my virus scanner has been installed on 2 other computers legally, becasue the license you buy allows it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 06, 2010, 10:39:30 AM
but im going to go with no :P

What did you mean by saying that then? To me, that looks like you're saying SSG's ZD Soft is legal.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 06, 2010, 10:47:06 AM
I have no idea how it does ?

So   it's legal?
im going to go with no

my estimation is no it is not legal
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 06, 2010, 10:49:30 AM
and it seems I am correct

http://www.zdsoft.com/buynow.html (http://www.zdsoft.com/buynow.html)

Quote
Each computer installs the software needs a license.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 06, 2010, 11:07:23 AM
But my original question was whetere it was illegal or not, and you said no. But never mind, the question's been solved now. Thanks.

SSG, thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I'm fine putting in the effort I so.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on July 08, 2010, 05:23:53 PM
I use ZD Soft Gamerecorder, when I'm filming my tournament videos.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on July 08, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Another thing:

I need someone to help teach me to AI. I can't get the Bindings.py coding, the forward heading, or the weapons firing right.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 08, 2010, 05:30:37 PM
Go on the wiki and lurk.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on July 08, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Kthx.

 :beer:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 01:09:21 AM
I had an idea today about a new type of tourney that would get people to be more creative, it's called a robot cookbook tournament.

the basic idea is that you are given a list of components you are to use in building your entry, these components are drawn randomly for each person who enters.

for example the cookbook could look like this (would be much bigger):

Motors:
- 2 HP z-teks
- 3 HP z-teks
- 2 RAD's, 1 Normal z-tek

Wheels:
- Shiny hubs
- mini wheels
- granny wheels

Weapons:
- 8 razor tips
- 4 Iron spikes
- 2 razor tips, 2 Mower blades

Extras:
-Snow plow
-Small wedge
-Forklift arm.

I could draw 2 RAD's, 1 normal Z-tek, Shiny hubs, 2 razor tips, 2 mower blades and a forklift arm and i would need to make a robot using those components.

thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on July 15, 2010, 01:22:16 AM
2 razors would only make a fail weapon though
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 15, 2010, 01:24:31 AM
interesting (and I guess unlimited extenders ?)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 01:31:48 AM
2 razors would only make a fail weapon though

not on a Pop-up, anyway that list was just an example.. the actual list would be more balanced.

interesting (and I guess unlimited extenders ?)

yep power and extenders you could use freely.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on July 15, 2010, 01:35:29 AM
And bursts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 01:46:30 AM
bursts and pistons would be under motors.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: The Ounce on July 15, 2010, 01:49:08 AM
Sounds a lot better than my tournament idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on July 15, 2010, 02:00:00 AM
I was going to suggest such an idea (Like the one that became Winds of change.) but if it's stock WHOO HOO.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hydro on July 15, 2010, 02:46:50 AM
Iron Bot Builder America much?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 02:55:57 AM
Iron Bot Builder America much?

what is that?  :confused: also i got the hat program running on my computer now so i could run the tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Doomkiller on July 15, 2010, 03:25:41 AM
Sounds like a very nice idea. I would definetly try to built something for this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hydro on July 15, 2010, 03:41:27 AM
Iron Bot Builder America much?

what is that?  :confused: also i got the hat program running on my computer now so i could run the tourney.

I saw this thread and thought Iron Chef America.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on July 15, 2010, 05:45:02 AM
I wouldn't personally enter (Stock scares me) but the idea is great and I'd definately follow the tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 15, 2010, 06:31:51 AM
(Stock scares me)

bah it only scares you becasue VS's arnt as good :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sparkey98 on July 15, 2010, 12:33:37 PM
2 razors would only make a fail weapon though


Have you seen the bot "the O-ring" (tehe)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 12:42:05 PM
hey guys i would love some suggestions for weapon combos on par with these:

2 Iron Spikes, 2 Maces
2 Mower Blades, 4 Razor tips
1 Iron spike, 2 Razor tips, 2 Maces
2 single sided ice picks, 2 maces

the more combos i have the more randomness in weapons there is and that means more variety in bots which is great for everyone!

on a side note i was thinking of doing the first ever live broadcast, so if anyone knows any good sites where i can stream to i could host the draw live.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Resetti's Replicas on July 15, 2010, 01:04:24 PM
Make sure that each set is equally balanced; you've got  "2 HP Z-Teks" and "3 HP Z-Teks" as two different sets of motors available.  One of those would be quite a bit more advantageous than the other.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
Rammers and sit and spinners only really need 2 motors, i want to see variety and creativity.. it might seem like "oh man i got 1 less Motor so now i can't make my generic HS" but it should be more "OK i got 1 less motor then this other guy, he could build a generic HS so I'm going to build something with heavily armored arms to stop his spinner and my weapon in the middle to go to town on his exposed motor".
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: powerrave on July 15, 2010, 02:08:19 PM
interesting idea there.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on July 15, 2010, 07:08:36 PM
It's quite a good idea, I think, but I can forsee a problem with the random drawing. If a person is drawn 2 HP Z-Teks, and mini wheels, the wheels won't actually touch the ground, hence there will be no movement.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 15, 2010, 07:22:11 PM
no mini wheels then :P thanks for reminding me :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on July 15, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
If it says we can use 8 razor tips, can we use anything besides that? Or can we use less than that? I like the idea, but certain parts need to be omitted (like Mini Wheels, etc.)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on July 16, 2010, 12:13:33 AM
there will be 4 draws for each person.. Weapons, Motors, Wheels, Extras and whatever they roll they need to use that part and nothing else in that category with the exact same number.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on July 16, 2010, 02:44:26 AM
It's quite a good idea, I think, but I can forsee a problem with the random drawing. If a person is drawn 2 HP Z-Teks, and mini wheels, the wheels won't actually touch the ground, hence there will be no movement.

Angle the motors then.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on July 16, 2010, 10:31:10 AM
(Stock scares me)

bah it only scares you becasue VS's arnt as good :P

Nah. Realism. I love the realistic rule.

I can see a problem with the weapons match-ups too. I'd much prefer an iron, 2 razor tips and 2 maces to 2 mower blades and 4 razors. But maybe this'll encourage the use of components like mower blades in a different context, like armour or something (I dunno XD).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 16, 2010, 10:42:20 AM
Am I allowed to add Chocolate and Tabasco Sauce to my entry?  = P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 21, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
BUMP: When can we start discussions again?
I've go too many tourney ideas in my head.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ACAMS on July 21, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
BUMP: When can we start discussions again?
I've go too many tourney ideas in my head.

As soon as you don't have too many tourney ideas in your head (and about half the running/opened for signups tournaments finish)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 21, 2010, 01:01:52 PM
Where can I post my ideas?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on July 21, 2010, 02:08:08 PM
Try here.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ACAMS on July 21, 2010, 02:24:40 PM
I opened discussion so you can post there.......BUT, it will be A LONG time before signups will open again.....unless there is real progress in the started tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Little lost bot on July 26, 2010, 06:28:31 PM
I'v finally remembered to come back and here is a thread that I like.
As a good portion of you know that i'v either tried (which failed),  pm or hinted at the fact that I want to try or at least see a hover craft tournament. The problem is my com does not like recording soft ware it crashes even now that i'v fixed its hard ware issues. It works fine other than that so the place is here who wants to help me here ( when you can of course)?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on August 10, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
Is anyone entering replica wars 2? I got a replica of one of my ants ready.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on August 10, 2010, 10:17:20 AM
please wait for the thread to be opened

the thread will be opened when TTT awards conclude
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on August 24, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Will need help with AIing for when my tournament is in signups because my method crashs my game when I try to open the team
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on August 25, 2010, 07:23:50 PM
Then I think you need to learn.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 04:25:21 PM
Sorry for the bump, I'm just not entirely sure where else to post this. If you're wanting to film RA2 videos, but don't have the cash to buy FRAPS, I've stumbled across an excellent alternative, WeGame. It records at either 15, 20, 25 or 30 FPS at 640x480 pixels, half-size or full screen [not sure what the resolution or quality's like with them] and you can choose whether to record the sound with it or not. And it's completely free.

http://www.wegame.com/download/ (http://www.wegame.com/download/)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 05:54:52 PM
You may want to start a thread about this in General Discussion. This thread gets cleaned out from time to time.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 06:01:39 PM
Ah, cool. Thanks. =]
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 06:04:48 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/89839WeGame.PNG)

I downloaded it, and went to make an account (which it asked). It gave me this. What do I do?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 06:31:47 PM
I forgot about that problem, you need to make an account on the WeGames site and then Login when you start the software up.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 06:41:04 PM
Thanks NFX.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 06:42:24 PM
No problem. Just thought it'd be something I'd share, after hearing about Bubbles' problems. ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
New Question. When running WeGame, I try to open iRacing to take a video of a replay. IRacing randomly quits before it is done loading. How can I fix this?

Edit: And how can I log out?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 06:56:04 PM
New Question. When running WeGame, I try to open iRacing to take a video of a replay. IRacing randomly quits before it is done loading. How can I fix this?

Edit: And how can I log out?

I'm really not sure why it does that, in all honesty. I more or less use it for RA2. Does it run fine without WeGame in the background?
 
And it automatically logs out when you close WeGame.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 06:58:58 PM
OK Logout thing is fine. iRacing runs fine without it, and RA2 works with it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 07:01:43 PM
It might not like big browser-based games all that much. That said, I'm not on big browser games all that often, so I wouldn't really know.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 07:11:13 PM
Awww man. I saw on the website that other people posted videos of iRacing. :'(
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 07:22:52 PM
Oh, maybe it's something else you have. Have you ran an antivirus scan recently?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 18, 2010, 07:41:19 PM
Yes. With Norton.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on September 18, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
Okay, that's good. Have you tried running them together with nothing else on in the background?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natef on September 28, 2010, 03:08:50 PM
I can't wait for a DSL MW tourney!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on September 28, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
why?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: madman3 on September 28, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
Natef, there is going to be (hopefully) one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natef on September 29, 2010, 07:42:19 AM
why?

I made an awesome DSL MW.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on September 29, 2010, 07:49:26 AM
why?

I made an awesome DSL MW.
Have you showcased it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on September 29, 2010, 07:57:23 AM
why?

I made an awesome DSL MW.

Showcase it then !
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natef on September 29, 2010, 02:13:20 PM
I already did.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 29, 2010, 02:29:38 PM
Absolutely typical...when I finally get the MM awards off the ground, BBEANS finishes and shoves my thread aside.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on September 30, 2010, 06:16:30 AM
Absolutely typical...when I finally get the MM awards off the ground, BBEANS finishes and shoves my thread aside.

[/BAWWW]
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 07:50:30 AM
last I checked the topic of this thread wasn't boasting about your robots or complaining about your threads activity

please stick to the topic..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 30, 2010, 02:39:26 PM
Why can't I make a new Signups thread for RW2? :S
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on September 30, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
Was wondering the same thing. But for RIMP, obv.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
you have all done everything wrong so your all banned from starting











lolz, but seriously, I think ACAMS just still has sign ups section closed
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 30, 2010, 08:08:50 PM
I improvised :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 08:13:53 PM
which has landed you in non joking trouble...

please dont bypass the system again its there for a reason.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 30, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
Well if the system is broken that isn't really Badnik's fault for trying.

In other news I found a laptop, so I could theoretically start my signups tonight. Wouldn't be able to showcase the new EFIE tonight, but I wouldn't be able to see the other bots either. If we get it working.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 08:26:09 PM
Well if the system is broken that isn't really Badnik's fault for trying.

well I dont know about your but Craaig was able to simply inform me via pm of the problem then sit and wait patiently

also he broke multiple sign up rules including the one I posted last night.

the system is not broken, ACAMS just need to re-alllow thread making in the sign ups section, us staff probably forgot about it due to our button still being there.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 30, 2010, 08:27:25 PM
I remember him saying that he had showcased his bot somewhere. I don't remember off the top of my head the thread saying that it must be posted in the thread. And he put himself as the first entry in the tourney.

The only rule I can think of that he broke was the rule that it must be approved. Which I agree that he broke it, but what about all of the tourneys like Raging DSL MWs, Robot Smash, and the numerous 128-bot tourneys.

I don't fault Craaig for finding a solution in PMing you. I also don't fault Badnik for finding a solution in starting that thread. Both were presented a problem in front of their goal, and both found different solutions to the problem.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 30, 2010, 08:43:18 PM
^Totally my thought^


Joe, I DID post Dizzy Dragon, and I see nothing wrong with RW2's rules. It would just be approved anyway.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 08:48:14 PM
look there is no point debating because nobody is going to listen and its just starting to sound worse and worse what Badnik did.

you were impatient, simple. Its posted in easily 3 different places that a tournament had to be approved still despite winning the poll... and approval is pretty much the number 1 rule in here.

now back on topic and everyone just wait for ACAMS to open sign ups

(also I couldnt find his robot in his last 100 posts)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 30, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Nothing specifies within the last 100 posts.

And thats it for that discussion. Now to wait...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
right now that everyone has finished taking whatever shots they can at me when all I am doing is asking you to follow rules.

ACAMS has changed the permissions for the sign ups section.
I have modified the new sign ups rules.

Badnik you have to make your sign ups thread in the correct section and I will move across the user posts, etc once its approved. 

how about you all just learn a lesson from this instead of fighting with me again? rules are rules and cannot be changed for anyone.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 30, 2010, 09:21:52 PM
I will repost Dizzy Dragon tomorrow (because obviously it's not simple enough to go back 10 pages in the replica thread)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Somebody on September 30, 2010, 09:30:36 PM
Ok thanks Joe *heads off to open signups*
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 30, 2010, 09:32:17 PM
I will repost Dizzy Dragon tomorrow (because obviously it's not simple enough to go back 10 pages in the replica thread)

its as simple as you waiting less then a quarter of a day for the thread section to be fixed.
 
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on November 16, 2010, 01:28:45 PM
I'm gonna start a new tournament soon. A stock HW one. I need a twist though. Anyone got any ideas?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gazea2 on November 16, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
A random arena? Building restrictions?

If you need a prize or an arena, I'll do it. :D
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on November 16, 2010, 01:33:30 PM
No, I'm not putting restrictions on anything. I need another type of twist. I just can't think of what.. And I'm perfectly capable of making prizes. :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on November 16, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
Once I've got some time free in summer (Kind of busy with Year 13 Schoolwork and University Searching at the moment), I might take the time to learn how to AI, and maybe even host a tourney.

It'll probably only be a small one, but if it gets off the ground, hopefully it'll at least do better than CHAOS IN THE TORPEDO did    :approve:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on November 16, 2010, 01:44:58 PM
No, I'm not putting restrictions on anything. I need another type of twist. I just can't think of what.. And I'm perfectly capable of making prizes. :P

You could continue BTTB, but the other way round. Like, you could make Stock rebuilds of someone's first DSL showcased bot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gazea2 on November 16, 2010, 01:46:26 PM
^YES
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on November 16, 2010, 01:47:11 PM
You could continue BTTB, but the other way round. Like, you could make Stock rebuilds of someone's first DSL showcased bot.

YOU ARE A GENIUS

EDIT: EVEN MORE OF A GENIUS THAN NORMAL :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 16, 2010, 01:51:30 PM
I wonder if I'll get another flipper to do if this goes ahead.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on November 16, 2010, 01:54:20 PM
You could continue BTTB, but the other way round. Like, you could make Stock rebuilds of someone's first DSL showcased bot.

YOU ARE A GENIUS

EDIT: EVEN MORE OF A GENIUS THAN NORMAL :P
I thought you said Naryar there.  :gawe:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 16, 2010, 01:56:05 PM
Why not do 2nd showcased bots?

Also, who wants Chinese Whispers 2: Middleweights?
(Don't worry, the vids wont take months this time)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Little lost bot on November 16, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
Sure. Its a very different tournament style. It's also a little fun.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on November 16, 2010, 02:07:21 PM
LLB, you know you won the first one, right?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on November 16, 2010, 02:08:30 PM
LLB, you know you won the first one, right?
He might've won, but alas, Little Lost Bot never found his way home.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on November 16, 2010, 02:11:53 PM
I see what u did there. =P

I think Chinese Whispers seems like quite a good idea. I'd probably put myself up for it if I'm not too overrun with uni stuff.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Little lost bot on November 16, 2010, 02:14:20 PM
LLB, you know you won the first one, right?

I did? I guess I forgot.

LLB, you know you won the first one, right?
He might've won, but alas, Little Lost Bot never found his way home.

Well I'm here right now.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on November 16, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
I would like to do a second Total Annihilation some day. But atm I don`t have the time for doing stuff in time
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on November 16, 2010, 02:21:11 PM
Discussion thread is up.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 16, 2010, 02:29:19 PM
^same^
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on November 17, 2010, 01:01:48 PM
What tournaments will everyone vote for?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on November 17, 2010, 01:03:52 PM
CCIV and BTTB 3, quite possibly RRS as well.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ben Purse on December 23, 2010, 05:01:53 AM
Can some1 please help me with AIing and Recording for my next tourment. I would not make the tourement but there are no DSL heavyweight touraments to enter my popup in.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Vertigo on December 23, 2010, 06:09:09 AM
Can some1 please help me with AIing and Recording for my next tourment. I would not make the tourement but there are no DSL heavyweight touraments to enter my popup in.
You are creating a whole tourney, just so that you can enter your popup in it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ben Purse on December 23, 2010, 07:11:03 PM
Can some1 please help me with AIing and Recording for my next tourment. I would not make the tourement but there are no DSL heavyweight touraments to enter my popup in.
You are creating a whole tourney, just so that you can enter your popup in it?
Well if someone creates one because there are not enough DSL MW or HW Tourments
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FOTEPX on December 23, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
Wait for one, and one will come.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on December 24, 2010, 06:11:22 AM
I think there is too Much HW and MW Tournaments.. Really.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on December 24, 2010, 07:14:29 AM
There's more variety possible in the upper weight classes, definitely. Most of the LW's in BBEANS 6 were either relatively similar, or not that effective. The freedom of more weight, and thus more components, in the MW and HW divisions opens doors in terms of design.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on December 24, 2010, 07:18:22 AM
That's exactly why they're the most popular.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on December 24, 2010, 07:22:44 AM
There's more variety possible in the upper weight classes, definitely. Most of the LW's in BBEANS 6 were either relatively similar, or not that effective. The freedom of more weight, and thus more components, in the MW and HW divisions opens doors in terms of design.

The 42 Championship will change that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
There's more variety possible in the upper weight classes, definitely.

One second, I'm having a goddamn brain hemorrhage merely comprehending the sheer scale of the naivety of that sentence.
 
You have created the elder god of ignorant comments you crafty cultist, and now I am going to go in a coma in the next 3 seconds.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
You're kidding right, ofcourse that comment's true, more weight to play around with means more possible designs, simple.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
You're kidding right, ofcourse that comment's true, more weight to play around with means more possible designs, simple.

All DSL is is a bunch of boxes with pipes coming out of it and a bunch of loopholes to a realistic rule nobody follows.
 
All Stock is is a bunch of boxes stacked together.
 
If you honestly think that there is a scent of any sort of "variation" I hope to never see your goddamn wardrobe:
 
Quote from: Scorpion choosing clothes.
Gray shirt, black shirt, gray shirt, black shirt, gray shirt... Oh look! A Noir shirt, that but be different, time to spice up my life!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
So you don't think there's any variation in the game as a whole then?
That wasn't what he was talking about.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 03:06:31 PM
Wow I was absolutely wrong after all.
 
You are correct in every single way and are smarter than me forever.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
Well, atleast you're honest enough to recognise the truth.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 03:18:38 PM
heheheheheh.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on January 08, 2011, 03:25:45 PM
The kind of effective designs in DSL you can get ranges from things such as popups and rammers right the way through to FSS and SnS. And there's even further variation in the robot design classes themselves, you can have a SnS in the style of Increased Betting Limits, or something like SnSnSnSnS. Effective LW's are all fairly familiar just because of the weight limit, and LW cube flippers are almost all identical, with the exception of S_M's side panel use.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
In summary, we use MW and HW classes to give ourselves the illusion of variation, in the same way we use DSL over stock.
 
If we look deeper, we are not having variety, but the illusion of it.
 
It's all the same, but in different colours!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
Yes, it all leads us back to the one, non illusion in this world. Death.
Love is death and hate is death, food is death and oxygen is death, black is death and white is death, stock is death and DSL is death.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on January 08, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Yes, it all leads us back to the one, non illusion in this world. Death.
Love is death and hate is death, food is death and oxygen is death, black is death and white is death, stock is death and DSL is death.

um...wat?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
Scorpion: You are now the universal tool for eternity. Enjoy this fact.
 
I'd give you a crown but any sharp objects but not be given to people like you, as you may accidentally castrate yourself by sheer dumb luck.
 
Have a safety helmet instead!
 
(http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00OBktRsJEnucq/Safety-Helmet-NTB-3-.jpg)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on January 08, 2011, 04:54:06 PM
I would wear that safety helmet but safety helmets, even red ones are death.

Erm, B.O.T now perhaps?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sparkey98 on January 08, 2011, 04:59:55 PM
You're kidding right, ofcourse that comment's true, more weight to play around with means more possible designs, simple.

All DSL is is a bunch of boxes with pipes coming out of it and a bunch of loopholes to a realistic rule nobody follows.
 
All Stock is is a bunch of boxes stacked together.
 
If you honestly think that there is a scent of any sort of "variation" I hope to never see your goddamn wardrobe:
 
Quote from: Scorpion choosing clothes.
Gray shirt, black shirt, gray shirt, black shirt, gray shirt... Oh look! A Noir shirt, that but be different, time to spice up my life!

QFT
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on January 08, 2011, 05:35:43 PM
I'd like to see a realistic stock tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on January 08, 2011, 05:36:38 PM
And now we go back on topic...

Thanks S32.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Vertigo on January 08, 2011, 05:38:38 PM
I'd like to see a realistic stock tournament.
Stock's Revenge
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on January 08, 2011, 09:01:04 PM
and Jonzu's tournament that we never here the end of from GF :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on January 09, 2011, 09:02:03 AM
Yes. He is unbelievably smug about that. I liked that idea, I would like another crack at it. Insecticide was just far too half-assed.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on January 09, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
agreed. Me and 027 have some bones to pick with Jonzu over it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 07:47:28 AM
I've been thinking of some interesting bracket ideas:
1: A win/loss bracket
                -Winners go one way loser go the other. So we have 16 winners and 16 losers. Winners battle leaving 8 win/win and 8 win/loss. Losers battle leaving 8 loss/loss and 8 loss/win. Then each of those battle again etc. This will leave us with one w/w/w/w/w in 1st then a w/w/w/w/l in second all the way to a l/l/l/l/l in last.
2: Weird vote idea
                - Splash is posted, then each competitor votes for who they most/least want to face. (e.g From 1 to 15 in a 16 bot bracket) I will tally up who is most wanted to be faced and that person will face his/her 1st choice in round one. Then I will tally it again, removing votes of the two bots already chosen. The next most popular will then be given his/her 1st available choice to face. This would lead to interesting matchups.




What do you think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on January 23, 2011, 07:48:55 AM
You know I'm in favour.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TeamXtreemer on January 23, 2011, 07:49:14 AM
who wants to teach mo to ai.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 07:50:22 AM
Who's Mo?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on January 23, 2011, 07:50:40 AM
...

I think your thread will have to stay closed a little longer.. its kinda a requirement before starting a thread..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TeamXtreemer on January 23, 2011, 07:51:23 AM
who want to teach me to ai?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on January 23, 2011, 07:54:02 AM
who wants to teach mo to ai.
Actually, the weapon and speed are very good indeed on MOE, but the battery power needs sorting out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 07:57:29 AM
So no more comments about my bracket ideas?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TeamXtreemer on January 23, 2011, 08:10:33 AM
SEEN as i get ignored a lot, im with you sm.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on January 23, 2011, 08:13:58 AM
Yes. He is unbelievably smug about that. I liked that idea, I would like another crack at it. Insecticide was just far too half-assed.
I liked Insecticide, but it was unlucky to come against the crawler, IMHO. But to be honest, another Realistic Stock tourney would be a fun idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on January 23, 2011, 08:17:13 AM
Would be fun.

Also, SM's idea seems like quite a good one, especially on the voting system. Maybe that could be implemented in a tournament in the future.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 08:18:20 AM
*Rubs hands together*
I will host CW3: Lightweights and then Not Quite Replica Wars
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on January 23, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
Not Quite Replica Wars
Not quite? I wonder how it works?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 08:20:51 AM
-Not Replica Wars, using parts from one DSL Replica only  and making it into a new MW.

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on January 23, 2011, 08:21:58 AM
I vote the next replica tournament be called "I cant believe its not Replica Wars"
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on January 23, 2011, 08:22:09 AM
-Not Replica Wars, using parts from one DSL Replica only  and making it into a new MW.

Ah, OK. I think it could be an interesting idea, depending on what people choose to use.
 
*Glances at MOE bars and cackles madly*
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Pwnator on January 23, 2011, 08:24:13 AM
Heh. Why MOE bars when THERE ARE JUDGE BURSTS?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 08:25:45 AM
But each person only uses parts from one replica!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on January 23, 2011, 08:26:40 AM
Moe and Judge will be the most used in that one. Judgeburst is not the only good thing about that replica
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on January 23, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
NO JUDGE BURSTS FOR YOU, FOXY. =P

So are we making a replica of the replica, or a completely original machine out of bits of the replica?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on January 23, 2011, 08:27:47 AM
Moe and Judge will be the most used in that one. Judgeburst is not the only good thing about that replica

the gravel head has 3 piercing and 3 concussion IIRC
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on January 23, 2011, 08:28:28 AM
Obviously he'll ban some replicas.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on January 23, 2011, 08:33:36 AM
I`m waiting for a Razerclawflailspinner ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
But each person only uses parts from one replica!
So it is very restricted.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 15, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Possible upgrade for the challenge board?

Robot arena 2 champions league idea:

Each version of the game and every official class in it has a champion that is a robot not a builder. it works pretty much the same as the challenge board currently only you have champions you can challenge for a championship.

Stock:

Antweight Champion -
Beetlweight Champion -
Lightweight Champion -
Middleweight Champion -
Heavyweight Champion -
Superheavyweight Champion -
Ultraheavyweight Champion -

DSL:

Antweight Champion -
Beetlweight Champion -
Lightweight Champion -
Middleweight Champion - 
Heavyweight Champion -
Superheavyweight Champion -
Ultraheavyweight Champion -

Rules:

1. At least 1 champion must defend it's championship each week.
2. You can only challenge 1 champion each week.
3. If a champion is inactive for a month the championship becomes vacated until the next challenge in that class/weight.
4. A builder can only have a max of 2 champions.
5. The champion decides the type of match.
6. Builders can create a match type in the create a match thread and can choose from approved matches in that topic if they are a current champion.

Example of matches:

Endurance match - a 15-30 minute match, most victories in the time limit wins.
Beat the box match - fastest robot to destroy the box or the robot who deals the most damage in the time limit wins.
Lost part match - first robot to remove a part of the other robot wins.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on March 16, 2011, 03:49:41 AM
Sounds like the birth child of Robozone and the Challenge board

Its too heavily involved in my opinion and could be too demanding on the champions and those that have to host..

nice thought though..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 16, 2011, 02:03:28 PM
Sounds like the birth child of Robozone and the Challenge board

Its too heavily involved in my opinion and could be too demanding on the champions and those that have to host..

nice thought though..


1.champions could upload the bots with bindings using the file host and post it for hosts to download, then all they need to do is accept a challenge and pick a match.
2.hosting would still be the same apart from special matches which need approval and even then only someone willing to host that kind of match would volunteer.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: martymidget on March 16, 2011, 05:03:31 PM
Lost part match - first robot to remove a part of the other robot wins.

Those would be quick matches..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on March 16, 2011, 05:04:32 PM
Lost part match - first robot to remove a part of the other robot wins.

Those would be quick matches..
I can already see the robots make out of Hammers and Overkill wheels
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 16, 2011, 08:31:18 PM
Lost part match - first robot to remove a part of the other robot wins.

Those would be quick matches..
I can already see the robots make out of Hammers and Overkill wheels

i was thinking, instead of rotating weapons you could use rotating defense like plows and ramplates so that they could all take turns of taking damage :P

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on March 17, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
thanks for taking me back in time :P I made a robot ages and ages ago that have a pile of plows spinning around the robot..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on March 18, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
Check out GKs showcase for some crazy 36 plow HS.
Title: 3 questions about tournements
Post by: GarvinTheGreat on April 10, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
So I wanna enter in BBEANS7(will be my first BBEANS)but I have some questions how. Here they are

1:How do I sign up for the tournement

2: So lets say im all signed up and I have my bot ready, how do I send Clickbeetle my bot so he can AI it.

3:(THis might be hard to explain) So lets say Clickbeetele has my bot and its ready to fight, Is my bot turned into a computer bot and it just fights on its own OR do I get to fight my bot. If so (1) Where do i go to fight it at and (2) When do I fight it.
I need all of these answeared. BYE
    P.S. What is AIing
Title: Re: 3 questions about tournements
Post by: madman3 on April 11, 2011, 08:42:42 AM
So I wanna enter in BBEANS7(will be my first BBEANS)but I have some questions how. Here they are

1:How do I sign up for the tournement

2: So lets say im all signed up and I have my bot ready, how do I send Clickbeetle my bot so he can AI it.

3:(THis might be hard to explain) So lets say Clickbeetele has my bot and its ready to fight, Is my bot turned into a computer bot and it just fights on its own OR do I get to fight my bot. If so (1) Where do i go to fight it at and (2) When do I fight it.
I need all of these answeared. BYE
    P.S. What is AIing

BBEANS 7 signups haven't started yet, but for each of questions;

1. Check the Multi Entry Signups, find your desired tournament, say you want to take part (if there are enough spaces).

2. There are several ways; you can put robot on the Bot Exchange, attach it in a zip file to a post in the sign-ups thread, or PM the tournament host.

3. It is used as a computer bot, via AIing which is where the bot is programmed its commands so it does not require use bu the player.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on May 27, 2011, 07:38:12 AM
Where can i get a ai that uses SNS style,but fires a piston with weapon rack on?Like Clickbeetles bot Emperer II.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on July 09, 2011, 03:59:55 AM
Only three tourneys up for the vote and I don't want to vote for any of them. I hope Dragonfire green ticks Slug it Out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 09, 2011, 04:39:22 AM
Yeah its odd..

Not only that but after this vote there will be another poll very shortly after
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on July 09, 2011, 04:42:11 AM
If slug it out comes,im dead.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on July 09, 2011, 05:24:53 AM
I'm thinking to host CombatAnts 3 in August...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 09, 2011, 05:29:22 AM
I'm thinking to host CombatAnts 3 in August...
another aw tourney?

hmm...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jack Daniels on July 09, 2011, 08:05:43 AM
I'm thinking to host CombatAnts 3 in August...

Sweet! I <3 your antweight tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on July 09, 2011, 08:15:43 AM
Hopefully Dragonfire gets his tick up. I don't wanna have to enter Notorious Nanos.  :dead:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 09, 2011, 08:19:27 AM
TBH i'd rather enter combatants than NN (as would most people i reckon)
but a tourney is a tourney and as long as it isn't an utter fail then idc.

Hurry up Jonzu :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on July 09, 2011, 08:29:22 AM
Meh, maybe if it was a BW tourney.
I still think AWs are rubbish personally....
Still, i'd probably enter a CombatAnts 3, considering the other tourneys that are going on ATM
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 09, 2011, 08:32:35 AM
When you think about it, Jonzu is going to get through anyway if he does it now...
And what's wrong with the lighter robots D:

I could say that HW's suck :P which they obviously do.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 09, 2011, 08:35:02 AM
When you think about it, Jonzu is going to get through anyway if he does it now...

When you think about it, Jonzu is a Major League host thus doesnt need to use the poll system to make a new tournament..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 09, 2011, 08:41:07 AM
When you think about it, Jonzu is going to get through anyway if he does it now...

When you think about it, Jonzu is a Major League host thus doesnt need to use the poll system to make a new tournament..
Derp.

I need to learn more of these rules D:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 09, 2011, 09:26:21 AM
hehehe Im just playin'

I dont expect others to keep track of everything.. thats why ACAMS employed me :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 09, 2011, 09:48:53 AM
hehehe Im just playin'

I dont expect others to keep track of everything.. thats why ACAMS employed me :P
Does this mean... you... get paid for being a mod?


fffffffffff-

But anyways i was thinking of hosting a tournament but i've completely forgotten most of the rules and how to AI XD
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 09, 2011, 10:07:37 AM
Does this mean... you... get paid for being a mod?

Yep.. ACAMS pays us in hugs

...

Still waiting on my first paycheck :P






(anyway back on topic, im breaking my own rules)

This thread has all the rules you need to cover

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,3154.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,3154.0.html)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on July 09, 2011, 11:25:28 AM
This is probably the best chance I have to get Robotic International Wars through.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on July 09, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
Ive been waiting a while for this,just one last rule change.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hard Bot on July 12, 2011, 02:41:33 PM
It looks like Notorious Nanos will be a winner.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 13, 2011, 04:41:55 AM
Prepare to be surprised :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on July 13, 2011, 04:43:40 AM
I only voted for one tourney this time around. And it wasn't notorious nano's.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 15, 2011, 11:20:34 AM
I need an AIer for my tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 15, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
It looks like Notorious Nanos will be a winner.
There's about as much chance of that happening as there is of Naryar announcing a preferance for Pole Spikes over Razors   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on July 15, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
NN came last ololololol



...actually i didn't mind entering it tbh
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Enigm@ on July 15, 2011, 11:24:14 AM
I need an AIer for my tourney.
That would have to be yourself mate.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 15, 2011, 11:24:47 AM
Hard Bot, I think you should give up on tournament hosting for a while. You should work up your respect and your bot building skills first.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2011, 05:27:05 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scourge of teh Galaxy on July 24, 2011, 05:33:48 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?
That's certainly an interesting idea - what weightclass though?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2011, 05:39:28 AM
Stock-MW and DSL-SHW or HW
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 24, 2011, 05:46:38 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?

you wouldnt be the first to suggest that

its been suggested over and over and over again..

It got close one time to happening but most of us mutually agree that BBEANS pretty well carry's the rank of world champion

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on July 24, 2011, 05:52:33 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?

you wouldnt be the first to suggest that

its been suggested over and over and over again..

It got close one time to happening but most of us mutually agree that BBEANS pretty well carry's the rank of world champion

Or similar to how the Robot Wars championships worked, with different country representatives (But a few more spots for England and America)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?

you wouldnt be the first to suggest that

its been suggested over and over and over again..

It got close one time to happening but most of us mutually agree that BBEANS pretty well carry's the rank of world champion

Or similar to how the Robot Wars championships worked, with different country representatives (But a few more spots for England and America)
Yeah like that or if that does not work how about A British Isles/European championship with a seperate one For North Americans.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on July 24, 2011, 06:06:29 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?

you wouldnt be the first to suggest that

its been suggested over and over and over again..

It got close one time to happening but most of us mutually agree that BBEANS pretty well carry's the rank of world champion

Or similar to how the Robot Wars championships worked, with different country representatives (But a few more spots for England and America)
Yeah like that or if that does not work how about A British Isles/European championship with a seperate one For North Americans.
European would be good but I can only think of...
English
Scottish
Welsh
French users on this forum ATM.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 24, 2011, 06:30:55 AM
Yeah like that or if that does not work how about A British Isles/European championship with a seperate one For North Americans.

You just successfully ruled out Myself, Doom and Pwnator (and anyone else I cant think of in the spare of the moment)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scourge of teh Galaxy on July 24, 2011, 06:33:37 AM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?

you wouldnt be the first to suggest that

its been suggested over and over and over again..

It got close one time to happening but most of us mutually agree that BBEANS pretty well carry's the rank of world champion

Or similar to how the Robot Wars championships worked, with different country representatives (But a few more spots for England and America)
Yeah like that or if that does not work how about A British Isles/European championship with a seperate one For North Americans.
European would be good but I can only think of...
English
Scottish
Welsh
French users on this forum ATM.
Finnish (Jonzu)
Italian (Garvin)
and I think RPJK is N.Irish/Irish
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2011, 07:05:59 AM
N.Ireland is part of the UK but instead World Championship OK.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on July 24, 2011, 07:15:17 AM
I'd been toying with a similar idea in my head for a while. We could try a World Championship idea, but depending on the entrants we receive, we could seperate the entrants into geographical groups, similar to the FIFA World Cup Qualifying. We could have a group for the UK, and a group for the US, to sift through the majority of entries we're likely to receive from those countries.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2011, 07:18:31 AM
We should do that as like the next major tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 24, 2011, 07:21:19 AM
Or my thought was take a load off the host and let everyone decide their representatives themselves :P

I would be against the name / term of "World Championship" for a solo host though (unless maybe ACAMS hosted it)

When it came about before we were going to get experienced and notable hosts from different countries to hosts different heats or legs.. keep it all mutual and have everyone involved..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Vertigo on July 24, 2011, 07:51:04 AM
I'm working on something similar for RA2TC4, which will not carry out the same format as 1, 2 & 3.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on July 24, 2011, 08:13:18 AM
Sage could be "World Champion" since he won BBEANS 6.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on July 24, 2011, 10:48:34 AM
Yes, Based off BBEANS..

Sage is World Champion at DSL right now..
FB is World Champion at Stock right now

but this idea of BBEANS being declared world status would be providing the tournament remains with no unique restrictions..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kill343gs on July 24, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
JB: Thats why click is doing IronBot completely different.

BBEANS is the world championship
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 24, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
I have an idea to throw out to the rest of you people. Why don't we do a world championship. One for Stock and another for DSL?
That's certainly an interesting idea - what weightclass though?
Quoted for truth- as long as half of the representatives are not English, with the other nations only getting one each  XD
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Stagfish on August 09, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Is anyone planning on doing a Tabletop or King of the Hill tournament any time soon? Theres been a big lack of them recently.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on August 09, 2011, 03:10:29 PM
There's kill's Summer Sumo, that should be coming around pretty soon.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on August 09, 2011, 03:14:07 PM
Is anyone planning on doing a Tabletop or King of the Hill tournament any time soon? Theres been a big lack of them recently.
Maybe a tabletop after Bring your A Game
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on August 10, 2011, 05:05:56 PM
I had the best idea ever. A rumble tourney... with 0.5 gravity.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on August 16, 2011, 04:09:49 AM
I have an idea similar to Pot Luck but with hybrids and Stock MW to make it a challenge to build. The idea goes like this for example:

Brazil. Chooses Bar HS/Rammer
Ireland Chooses Tribar VS/Flipper
France Chooses Angled Disc HS/Wammer
Kazakhstan Chooses Gyro Drill/Clamp

The two weapon types in thier chosen hybrid can be thrown with another chosen bot type to create a new hybrid like this.

Brazil. Has Clamp/Angled Disc HS.
Ireland Has Bar HS/Rammer
France Has Flipper/Gyro Drill
Kazakhstan Has Wammer/Tribar VS

Also to make it a bit more interesting VS, HS's and thier Angled Versions will have 4 versions of there weapon

1.Tribar
2.Flail
3.Bar
4.Disc

And thats so far what I can think of when it comes to the rules.

I know it is a cloned idea with differences but does it sound alright?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on August 16, 2011, 12:25:39 PM
I have an idea similar to Pot Luck but with hybrids and Stock MW to make it a challenge to build. The idea goes like this for example:

Brazil. Chooses Bar HS/Rammer
Ireland Chooses Tribar VS/Flipper
France Chooses Angled Disc HS/Wammer
Kazakhstan Chooses Gyro Drill/Clamp

The two weapon types in thier chosen hybrid can be thrown with another chosen bot type to create a new hybrid like this.

Brazil. Has Clamp/Angled Disc HS.
Ireland Has Bar HS/Rammer
France Has Flipper/Gyro Drill
Kazakhstan Has Wammer/Tribar VS

Also to make it a bit more interesting VS, HS's and thier Angled Versions will have 4 versions of there weapon

1.Tribar
2.Flail
3.Bar
4.Disc

And thats so far what I can think of when it comes to the rules.

I know it is a cloned idea with differences but does it sound alright?
You could try and make it. It seems like a good idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on August 19, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay
Making it happy? What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on August 19, 2011, 03:16:49 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on August 19, 2011, 03:17:24 PM
There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me
How?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on August 19, 2011, 03:20:07 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.

Yeah I'll try and do it. I'll make the topic now.

EDIT: I won't be able to film it because I am not allowed to download stuff like Fraps.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on August 19, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.

Yeah I'll try and do it. I'll make the topic now.

EDIT: I won't be able to film it because I am not allowed to download stuff like Fraps.

Why? It's just video recording.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on August 19, 2011, 06:57:04 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.

Yeah I'll try and do it. I'll make the topic now.

EDIT: I won't be able to film it because I am not allowed to download stuff like Fraps.

WeGame is the way to go, it's free and it records for however long you need it to.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on August 19, 2011, 08:18:39 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.

Yeah I'll try and do it. I'll make the topic now.

EDIT: I won't be able to film it because I am not allowed to download stuff like Fraps.

WeGame is the way to go, it's free and it records for however long you need it to.

NO

NO

FRAPS IS BETTER
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on August 19, 2011, 08:20:29 PM
1. I have school in under two weeks and it gets serious because I the school year after that I will be doing GCSE's
You'll have to wait for the poll, so you won't have to worry to much. But if you get voted in, you could do it over the weekends
2. I share this laptop with someone else so putting it with school it makes about half an hour to film.
Use the half hour wisely
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
4. I don't have a Youtube account and don't want one until about the end of the year.
Use GTM's YT account
5. My siblings would try and ruin it and make it gay and nerdy which would put me off for about 6 months. (There the ones who are trying to ruin Robot Combat for me)
Ignore them and tell them to get a life.
6. I want to improve my robot buliding a bit first.
Unless you are going to enter this doesn't matter
7. I am not allowed to download stuff off the internet unless they are something like AI Packs and music.
Ask the AIer to make the entrants into an AI pack
So that is why.

Yeah I'll try and do it. I'll make the topic now.

EDIT: I won't be able to film it because I am not allowed to download stuff like Fraps.

WeGame is the way to go, it's free and it records for however long you need it to.

NO

NO

FRAPS IS BETTER

Though this is true, WeGame is free and thats what he is looking for.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on August 24, 2011, 03:10:12 AM
Had this mad idea for a tournament:
It's a standard Stock/DSL one, with prizes.
However, the winner of the tournament can give a 2nd place prize to anyone, no matter where they are on the bracket. The 2nd place winner can give a 3rd place prize to anyone, and the rumble winner/3rd placer can give a small consolidation prize to anyone.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Vertigo on August 27, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
Getting someone to do it for you is quite frankly lazy, AI'ing ain't hard
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on August 27, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
3. I can't AI.
Find someone to do it for you
Getting someone to do it for you is quite frankly lazy, AI'ing ain't hard
Well, I ran 2 successful tournaments with someone AIing for me. But now I know how to AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on September 04, 2011, 06:48:12 PM
for bloodbreeds, my ai-ing isnt the best, so can someone help me with the ai-ing? all my ai bots just run scared.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on September 04, 2011, 07:09:01 PM
k
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on September 04, 2011, 08:47:01 PM
all my ai bots just run scared.
I had a similar problem...

My guess is that the nose is wrong. Try deleting the 'nose':math.pi,.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on September 10, 2011, 10:31:44 AM
I thought of a weird idea.

How about a tourney in which the chassis you must use is shaped like Tetris Blocks.
And Stock MW. :trollface

A bit similar to my DSL tourney. But it could work.
Cubes might be spammed.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natef on September 10, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
I'd like to see a normal tournament for once.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 14, 2011, 09:22:08 AM
Apologies for the lack of activity in the management department, Im working on some changes and the like to reduce my work load and issue some responsibility to thread owners (since some of you are making it nice and difficult for me to keep up with active tournaments :P)

This additional info should be in place within the next 24 hours and a new poll up soon
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on September 14, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
Apologies for the lack of activity in the management department, Im working on some changes and the like to reduce my work load and issue some responsibility to thread owners (since some of you are making it nice and difficult for me to keep up with active tournaments :P)

This additional info should be in place within the next 24 hours and a new poll up soon

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36861Robosmiley.png)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on September 14, 2011, 08:26:18 PM
Apologies for the lack of activity in the management department, Im working on some changes and the like to reduce my work load and issue some responsibility to thread owners (since some of you are making it nice and difficult for me to keep up with active tournaments :P)

This additional info should be in place within the next 24 hours and a new poll up soon

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36861Robosmiley.png)

Holy sh**. It's a R0B0 smiley... I haven't seen one of those for years.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: JoeBlo on September 21, 2011, 10:31:05 AM
Attention GTM customers.

Some green ticks have been found in old tourney threads, could the owners please make their way to page 2 and remove them.

Thanks.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on September 21, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
Wedge War hath been fixed
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on September 24, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
my computer is REALLY starting to fail. DSL runs like a slideshow. With slideshow graphics, i'm not going to be able to record it. Sadly, unless someone takes over bloodbreeds, then bloodbreads is cancelled.

 :vista:

my computer is having a spiraling depression. the computer that has NEVER failed on me is in storage, because i moved about a year ago. i can BARELY build bots in  stock, but that's about it. if someone wants to take over bloodbreeds, let me know. if no one steps up before voting is finished, then i must drop out. I'm severly sorry, because on another note, i can only upload, not download. :embarr hopefully i'll get my other computer back soon......... And again, i'm severly sorry.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 09, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
Here's my one - RoboCrush²
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on October 09, 2011, 10:54:29 AM
I have so many new great tournament ideas, but I won't share them as I'm paranoid about people stealing my stuff.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on November 19, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
I have an idea for a Tournament, but I need the help of a person who is willing to waste a Robot Arena 2 Copy, isn't busy and can host a tournament.
 
PM for details.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on November 19, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
Maybe you should make a discussion thread about that S32, and explain more. People tend to be more interested by a new tournament thread in discussions than a new post here.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gropaga on December 25, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
Where is my robots in DSL plus Nar AI?
(to upload my bot for tournament
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on December 25, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
There's a thread somewhere, but I CBA to dredge it up.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on December 27, 2011, 04:28:19 AM
The two of you who posted threads, I've replied to you both, please, answer my queries.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on January 25, 2012, 01:55:24 PM
I would like to see a tournament with infinite signups and entrants are split into two teams randomly and each build a bot of a certain weightclass or type and have a running total between the two teams. It would be run in a season format, e.g 3 points for win, 2 for draw, 1 for loss
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: martymidget on January 25, 2012, 05:48:57 PM
Sounds like RA2TC mixed with RIW :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 07, 2012, 04:12:09 PM
Have an idea for a new tournament, but do not have the time, will or resources to do it.

I got to thinking about the old TLC show "Junkyard Wars" and then I wondered if a tournament like this could be possible. I was thinking DSL, and for the more popular components, there would be a limit to how many you could use on your robot. Limits such as 5 razors per bot, and  maybe that you can only use certain components, and so on and so forth. This would give limitations, just like you would have if you were trying to scavenge parts from a scrapyard.

Does this seem like an interesting idea to anyone else?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: madman3 on February 07, 2012, 04:39:03 PM
Have an idea for a new tournament, but do not have the time, will or resources to do it.

I got to thinking about the old TLC show "Junkyard Wars" and then I wondered if a tournament like this could be possible. I was thinking DSL, and for the more popular components, there would be a limit to how many you could use on your robot. Limits such as 5 razors per bot, and  maybe that you can only use certain components, and so on and so forth. This would give limitations, just like you would have if you were trying to scavenge parts from a scrapyard.

Does this seem like an interesting idea to anyone else?
Metapocalypse ran on that idea, but it was never finished as NFX got too busy. If you have the time, go ahead.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gropaga on February 08, 2012, 04:28:21 AM
Have an idea for a new tournament, but do not have the time, will or resources to do it.

I got to thinking about the old TLC show "Junkyard Wars" and then I wondered if a tournament like this could be possible. I was thinking DSL, and for the more popular components, there would be a limit to how many you could use on your robot. Limits such as 5 razors per bot, and  maybe that you can only use certain components, and so on and so forth. This would give limitations, just like you would have if you were trying to scavenge parts from a scrapyard.

Does this seem like an interesting idea to anyone else?
I want to do it,but I can't AI
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on February 11, 2012, 06:11:38 PM
Ideas here for a more "realistic" tournament.
 
     
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 11, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
   
  • Judges. The match will be judged by 3 people.
the original blades of fury did that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on February 11, 2012, 06:27:44 PM
Yes they did.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on February 11, 2012, 06:43:31 PM
Have an idea for a new tournament, but do not have the time, will or resources to do it.

I got to thinking about the old TLC show "Junkyard Wars" and then I wondered if a tournament like this could be possible. I was thinking DSL, and for the more popular components, there would be a limit to how many you could use on your robot. Limits such as 5 razors per bot, and  maybe that you can only use certain components, and so on and so forth. This would give limitations, just like you would have if you were trying to scavenge parts from a scrapyard.

Does this seem like an interesting idea to anyone else?
I've thought of that idea only people could only use one of each component. Components in the drop down menu will be considered a different component. Would be ludicrously hard.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on February 11, 2012, 06:58:19 PM
How would the drive work? If you had to use different wheels, that would screw up the speed, probably.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on February 11, 2012, 08:10:27 PM
That's why I said would be ludicrously hard. I was just thinking of it I wasn't gonna do it. If I did though, I might make it Nar AI for the drop down menus. If I didn't it would be filled with one wheeled SnS.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on February 11, 2012, 10:07:29 PM
@HA

King Mushroom tried something like that but something came up and he couldn't do it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on February 11, 2012, 10:11:23 PM
Never said I was gonna do it. Don't think anyone would sgn up either.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gropaga on February 24, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
I need someone to ai for my simple DSL tournament
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on February 27, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
I need someone to ai for my simple DSL tournament

nope nope nope. Learn to AI. If you can't AI, don't host a tournament.

I am very tempted to make that an actual rule.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on March 03, 2012, 01:23:23 AM
Considering my city is doing a 100 year anniversary celebration of the Titanic I thought of a little tournament.

Name: Titanic Clash
Game: Stock
Weight: SHW
Restrictions: Only Rammers with regular glitching rules
Arena: Ocean Platform
Number of Entries: 8
Other: Only people who live on/within 200 miles of the entire Atlantic coast and surrounding seas are allowed to compete.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gropaga on March 03, 2012, 02:38:44 AM
Considering my city is doing a 100 year anniversary celebration of the Titanic I thought of a little tournament.

Name: Titanic Clash
Game: Stock
Weight: SHW
Restrictions: Only Rammers with regular glitching rules
Arena: Ocean Platform
Number of Entries: 8
Other: Only people who live on/within 200 miles of the entire Atlantic coast and surrounding seas are allowed to compete.

Thoughts?
What is your defination of regular glitching rule?
Also,Ohter is too bad
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on March 03, 2012, 09:45:12 AM
the "other rule" really limits the amount of people that can enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on April 21, 2012, 01:29:34 PM
I know bloodbreeds is never gonna happen, so can G.K. close that?

I also wanna make a stock tournament, and i need help ai'ing. if someone helps me, i will reserve you a spot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on April 21, 2012, 01:30:21 PM
I could AI if you want. Just pm me when you need some work done.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on April 21, 2012, 01:32:09 PM
I could AI if you want. Just pm me when you need some work done.

thanks, i'll write your name down for when the time comes
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on April 21, 2012, 01:32:47 PM
No problem.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Fracture on May 12, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
Someone should make a tournament with voice-over commentary for the matches. That would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on May 12, 2012, 04:08:42 PM
Someone should make a tournament with voice-over commentary for the matches. That would be pretty awesome.
I take first dibs!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Virus Bomb on May 12, 2012, 06:13:42 PM
Someone should make a tournament with voice-over commentary for the matches. That would be pretty awesome.

Sage used to that IIRC.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 12, 2012, 06:15:02 PM
I already do that with RRB. I could do that in the tourney I might make.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Fracture on May 12, 2012, 06:52:58 PM
Someone should make a tournament with voice-over commentary for the matches. That would be pretty awesome.

Sage used to that IIRC.
In...RAW? He didn't do it for RAW 2, and I can't check the matches for RAW because the links on the site are broken.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on May 12, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
If you were taking volunteer voices I would gladly put mine forward
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 12, 2012, 08:17:12 PM
Someone should make a tournament with voice-over commentary for the matches. That would be pretty awesome.

Sage used to that IIRC.
In...RAW? He didn't do it for RAW 2, and I can't check the matches for RAW because the links on the site are broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-LhyQnDEUA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-LhyQnDEUA#)
theres no commentary
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: GameKing3 on May 13, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
I need to get in on a tournament soon, but finding the time is killing me. Maybe when I get back from the desert next month I can get in on something.  :approve:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 02:23:02 PM
I'm thinking about making a RobOlympics. It will have 4 events and 4 competitors in each. Each event would be DSL. You can enter in up to 2 events. I was thinking:


I can't really make a splash so I would need someone to help with that. I would get more specific in the actual discussion thread. So, what does everyone think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on May 17, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
only 2? ok now you're teasing me :P make it about 3 or 4 perhaps (but give those who haven't entered any others priority?)

i could make the splash, perhaps 2/3 a day at the moment
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
only 2? ok now you're teasing me :P make it about 3 or 4 perhaps (but give those who haven't entered any others priority?)

i could make the splash, perhaps 2/3 a day at the moment
3 to 4 would work fine, but what do you mean other priorities? Also that would be terrific if you could make the splash!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 17, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
aw yeah unrealistic

and splash making is pretty easy, just replace the botlab background with a solid color (its in batsuit.tga in /ui/botlab i think) and delete the area  with the wand tool and put it on a pretty picture or a gradient with the bot name and builder

like so
[/shameless plug]

also is MV you on the tourney history list ? cuz you cant have 32 entries if you havnt hosted a tourney before
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
I thought it was, what's the limit? Also I don't want to mess around with any UI right now.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on May 17, 2012, 02:38:20 PM
or just do some paint.net wizardry

and i mean if others want to enter and havent entered any others then they can take the place of the latest entry that is already in others
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on May 17, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
I'm thinking about making a RobOlympics. It will have 8 events and 4 competitors in each. Each event would be DSL. You can enter in up to 4 events. I was thinking:

  • Regular building LW
  • IRL MW I'll do it.
  • All VS HW
  • Regular building SHW
  • Unrealistic MW
  • KOTH HW(Duck's Tabletop) I'll do it.
  • IRL LW I'll do it.
  • Regular building AW I'll do it.

I can't really make a splash so I would need someone to help with that. I'll do it. I would get more specific in the actual discussion thread. So, what does everyone think?
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 17, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
16 if you havnt hosted a tourney before or if you chickened out

and if cba to change the botlab background you could try making a splash like this
with the cropped bots in the botgarage and a background info etc around it

just try to stay away from splashes like this

where theres a whole crap ton of grey space/you can see the background because that honestly doesnt look too good (imo anyway)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 02:43:47 PM
@ty4er:I'm kinda getting what you're saying. Like if some one enters 4 bots into and one is in the last spot, but then later, someone else wants to enter so they send a bot and the last bot that was entered won't compete. Is that right?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
DP, can someone confirm the number of entries for me?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 17, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
16 if you havnt hosted a tourney before and 32 if you have
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on May 17, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
K, I'll do only 4 events and you can enter into 2 of them. I'll update my original post.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on May 17, 2012, 04:03:41 PM
16 if you havnt hosted a tourney before and 32 if you have

Noooo, it's 32 for entry level tourneys now
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Preytor_4 on May 17, 2012, 04:05:07 PM
I was mistaken, it is 16 on the FIRST tournament you host, 32 after that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on May 30, 2012, 11:24:30 PM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 31, 2012, 05:32:03 AM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
theres one in my sig
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on May 31, 2012, 11:39:42 PM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
theres one in my sig
Won't work D:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 01, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
theres one in my sig
Won't work D:
Nvm, just doesn't work on my netbook.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on July 11, 2012, 11:55:15 PM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
theres one in my sig
Won't work D:
Nvm, just doesn't work on my netbook.

Netbook =/= PC... Or even a Mac.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on July 12, 2012, 06:45:20 AM
Just wondering if anybody has a download to a copy of FRAPS.
theres one in my sig
Won't work D:
Nvm, just doesn't work on my netbook.

Netbook =/= PC... Or even a Mac.
I HAVE NO MONIES MAN.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on August 08, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
I know i'm still running a tournament already, but would people be interested in a DSL sumo tournament in the near future?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on August 08, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
I know i'm still running a tournament already, but would people be interested in a DSL sumo tournament in the near future?
I'd be interested in this, I was looking forward to kill's Sumo tournament before that went down the drain. I'd hope that it didn't degenerate into a wedge war, though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on August 08, 2012, 01:40:17 PM
I know i'm still running a tournament already, but would people be interested in a DSL sumo tournament in the near future?
I'd be interested in this, I was looking forward to kill's Sumo tournament before that went down the drain. I'd hope that it didn't degenerate into a wedge war, though.
it's pretty inevitable that it will be a wedge war IMO
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 04, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Would a tournament for multiple forums be allowed?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on September 04, 2012, 03:01:11 PM
I know i'm still running a tournament already, but would people be interested in a DSL sumo tournament in the near future?
I'd be interested in this, I was looking forward to kill's Sumo tournament before that went down the drain. I'd hope that it didn't degenerate into a wedge war, though.
wedge war ? any sns with large sweeping components and a quick spin up time would easily destroy the competition imo.....

and dsl makes me sad :[
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on September 04, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Would a tournament for multiple forums be allowed?

What are you trying to get at? Roping in the FRA or something?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 04, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
Would a tournament for multiple forums be allowed?

What are you trying to get at? Roping in the FRA or something?

I'm a member of Rock Raiders United in addition to Gametechmods, and there might be some members there that would be interested in entering.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 04, 2012, 07:03:04 PM
I allowed someone from the Cave Story forums to compete in the original BoF (albeit with a joke bot) and Click let anyone from anywhere enter BBEANS. Robot MPire is also a multiforum tourney.

Knock yourself out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 04, 2012, 08:43:23 PM
One more thing... would I be allowed to include non-entrant robots as well? I've built eight of them (they aren't exactly that good, they're mainly there to weed out the SFTWs) to fill in the blanks.

EDIT: I forgot to ask, do external entries count towards the 16-entry maximum for the first tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on September 05, 2012, 03:13:29 AM
One more thing... would I be allowed to include non-entrant robots as well? I've built eight of them (they aren't exactly that good, they're mainly there to weed out the SFTWs) to fill in the blanks.

Would they take the number of competing bots over 16 (Plus wildcard)?

EDIT: I forgot to ask, do external entries count towards the 16-entry maximum for the first tournament?

All entries do.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 05, 2012, 03:18:19 AM
One more thing... would I be allowed to include non-entrant robots as well? I've built eight of them (they aren't exactly that good, they're mainly there to weed out the SFTWs) to fill in the blanks.

Would they take the number of competing bots over 16 (Plus wildcard)?

EDIT: I forgot to ask, do external entries count towards the 16-entry maximum for the first tournament?

All entries do.

Ugh... that's really going to be an issue... I had a really good idea for the tournament too, but it would require more than 16 bots.

I doubt that exceptions can be made either. Well, there goes THAT idea...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 05, 2012, 03:24:37 AM
AI'ing all the robots, recording matches, editing videos, uploading videos and linking videos is a lot of effort and most people don't realise that until they try which is probably the reason the limit exists. I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 05, 2012, 03:40:53 AM
AI'ing all the robots, recording matches, editing videos, uploading videos and linking videos is a lot of effort and most people don't realise that until they try which is probably the reason the limit exists. I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.

That's entirely in the assumption that someone has never done anything like this before. I may not have made a tournament in Robot Arena 2 before, but I doubt it compares with overhauling a game (I'm working on the Fronteer Miners mod for LEGO Rock Raiders) or learning how to use the DirectX 11 SDK for C++ with just a reference website.

Also, I had the idea to make something similar to Robot Wars with MW DSL IRL robots. Of course, a heat-based tournament with 16 robots would only have four heats and a grand-final heat. That's not exactly championship-size.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on September 05, 2012, 03:43:57 AM
I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.
Anything that involves team-built bots.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 05, 2012, 04:01:56 AM
I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.
Anything that involves team-built bots.

1 team = 1 entry in a team tournament?
4 teams of 4 or you could have 8 teams of 2 etc.
It's small but that's the point of entry level tournaments.

AI'ing all the robots, recording matches, editing videos, uploading videos and linking videos is a lot of effort and most people don't realise that until they try which is probably the reason the limit exists. I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.

That's entirely in the assumption that someone has never done anything like this before. I may not have made a tournament in Robot Arena 2 before, but I doubt it compares with overhauling a game (I'm working on the Fronteer Miners mod for LEGO Rock Raiders) or learning how to use the DirectX 11 SDK for C++ with just a reference website.

Also, I had the idea to make something similar to Robot Wars with MW DSL IRL robots. Of course, a heat-based tournament with 16 robots would only have four heats and a grand-final heat. That's not exactly championship-size.

We have no way of knowing if someone can keep up with the required amount of work, that's all. If you can host a small tournament with 16 entries successfully then you can move up to larger tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Phoenyx on September 05, 2012, 04:05:51 AM
We have no way of knowing if someone can keep up with the required amount of work, that's all. If you can host a small tournament with 16 entries successfully then you can move up to larger tournaments.

In that case, I'll take the chance to prove myself.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 05, 2012, 04:16:15 AM
AI'ing all the robots, recording matches, editing videos, uploading videos and linking videos is a lot of effort and most people don't realise that until they try which is probably the reason the limit exists. I also can't think of any sort of tournament that would require more then 16 entries.


I forgot about the splash and bracket work -.- that takes some time too depending on how nice you want it to look.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on September 06, 2012, 01:21:14 PM
Might make Sudden Hybrids tournament or a basic Stock BW tournament before end of year depending.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on September 09, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
That sounds really cool, i'd build for it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on September 09, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
would it be stock

cus id totally love to see a monstrous true popup/hs/wammer/hammer hybrid
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on September 10, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
Tournament idea:

Robotic Empire:


Heres how it goes:

16 bots knockout

Winner "captures" the opponents bot and can use that or thier own bot for next match:

When it gets to the final however they must use thier own bot and the three other bots they have "captured"  in a 4 on 4 match.

Thats the rough picture so what do you think of it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on September 10, 2012, 12:27:10 PM
4 on 4 isn't possible, which is a slight flaw.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on September 10, 2012, 12:39:47 PM
As in 4 one on one matches.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on September 10, 2012, 12:44:08 PM
Ah, I see.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 29, 2012, 03:36:04 AM
So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:


-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)


I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yoda9726 on September 29, 2012, 03:55:32 AM
Gotta disagree with these.  Especially the showing bots as they're received for two main reasons...


1. More work for hosts, and there's already enough workload for them,
2. Entries will slow down as people wait for others first to gain an advantage by devising their strategy to beat what they've seen.


I've already stated why I don't see a need for the other rule in your other topic.  tl;dr version, not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Classicus on September 29, 2012, 03:56:08 AM
Wouldn't the second point give an advantage to later builders and disadvantage people who build first as later entrants can see some of their opponents? Might have a situation where people avoid entering until the last minute and that could cause problems. I'd suggest everyone who enters a tournament (including the host) sends their bot and splash to an impartial/neutral person who isn't entering the tournament. Then when all sign up slots are filled they all get posted at once. Having a neutral tournament director might solve a lot of problems.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 29, 2012, 03:59:19 AM
Gotta disagree with these.  Especially the showing bots as they're received for two main reasons...

1. More work for hosts, and there's already enough workload for them,
2. Entries will slow down as people wait for others first to gain an advantage by devising their strategy to beat what they've seen.

I've already stated why I don't see a need for the other rule in your other topic.  tl;dr version, not that big of a deal.


1. It's really up to the host if they allow updates/changes.
2. Some people actually show their entries anyway (NFX has shown his and so has Virus Bomb). People who aren't the host have no control over the brackets so this would be pointless.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yoda9726 on September 29, 2012, 04:11:57 AM
True, some people do.  I've done it myself, as well.   But that's up to the entrant and doesn't put any more work on the host. 


Control or lack of control over the bracket doesn't change the fact that there is an advantage to be had in knowing what the other entrants are.   Even if it's just a perceived advantage and nothing else, I can still see people not entering until they see more of the other entrants....which, again, slows entries down. 


And besides, when done right, the host himself has no control over the brackets either since they are (or at least should be) randomized.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on September 29, 2012, 04:20:47 AM
Control or lack of control over the bracket doesn't change the fact that there is an advantage to be had in knowing what the other entrants are.   Even if it's just a perceived advantage and nothing else, I can still see people not entering until they see more of the other entrants....which, again, slows entries down. 

And besides, when done right, the host himself has no control over the brackets either since they are (or at least should be) randomized.
It's the same disadvantage the host has by posting his entry, if one of the later entries wants to make a bot designed to beat another person so be it. (someone said something along those lines towards the hosts disadvantage in the robo zone 2 topic).

Keep in mind these rules were put in place to prevent hosts cheating by waiting to receive entries then building a bot that can beat most of them, the brackets are another thing the host has control over.

So:

1. Everyone see's all the entries when they are entered.
2. Host has control over brackets.
3. There's no way someone can design a bot to defeat all other entries given that they have no idea who they will face.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jamin on September 29, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
I want a crawlers only tournament...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on September 29, 2012, 05:39:44 AM
There will be a ruling on this in time.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on October 03, 2012, 08:23:35 AM
I am unhappy I'm not able to include this in my tournament as a single 1 on 1 round but here's the idea:

-List of builders who entered are posted.
-Each person selects the one builder they want to face.
-Each entry can be selected a maximum number of times (2-3) to ensure variety.
-Best performing robot gets the most points, worst performing robot gets 0 points.
-An impartial community member who isn't entered gets to select who the host faces.

Could be labelled as the "The Unseen Enemy challenge". This would make for a fun challenge as it allows for more participation from the builder, of course this would mean that all entries would have to be kept secret.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on October 03, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
Tournament idea:

Robotic Empire:


Heres how it goes:

16 bots knockout

Winner "captures" the opponents bot and can use that or their own bot for next match:

When it gets to the final however they must use their own bot and the three other bots they have "captured"  in a 4 on 4 match.


I am considering making the tourney over the next few weeks. All I have to do is get Windows movie maker and some computer video recording program. And of course someone to AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on October 03, 2012, 11:20:41 AM
And of course someone to AI.
Just teach yourself to AI, it only takes like less than 30 mins to learn.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on October 03, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
All I have to do is get some computer video recording program.
hi there ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on October 07, 2012, 07:17:32 AM
Had an idea for a new multi-event tournament :D Robo-lympics:


*Host controlled bots.
*events include:
-Speed Time Trial, A one lap time trial around an arena.
-Long Jump, which bot can jump the furtherest of a ramp (custom arena required complete with distance markers).
-High Jump, which bot can jump the highest (would need a wall reskin).
-Weight-lifting, Which bot can lift the most weight.
-Shot put, which robot can throw an object the furtherest.
-gymnastics, which robot can do the most flips.
-Wrestling, which robot can pin the other for 3 seconds.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Team 9 on October 07, 2012, 07:19:53 AM
Had an idea for a new multi-event tournament :D Robo-lympics:


*Host controlled bots.
*events include:
-Speed Time Trial, A one lap time trial around an arena.
-Long Jump, which bot can jump the furtherest of a ramp (custom arena required complete with distance markers).
-High Jump, which bot can jump the highest (would need a wall reskin).
-Weight-lifting, Which bot can lift the most weight.
-Shot put, which robot can throw an object the furtherest.
-gymnastics, which robot can do the most flips.
-Wrestling, which robot can pin the other for 3 seconds.
sounds like a good set of ideas, i'd enter :D
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NFX on October 24, 2012, 12:19:47 PM
Tournament Guide Section 5 (Discussion Forum) has been updated. Point 4 now contains information as to the building standards relating to the mod a tournament will be run in (Stock, DSL, etc.).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sylandro on October 31, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
I'm thinking of hosting a DSL IRL MW Tournament, would anyone like to join me with hosting the tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on October 31, 2012, 02:18:31 PM
DSL IRL MW?Ok.Depends on who is AI'ing.Maybe half and half?Also we should make it very small, as not to fail miserably.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on October 31, 2012, 02:28:40 PM
Making a Stock MW hybrid tourney but need someone who will be able to AI at some point between now and Mid-January.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on October 31, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Making a Stock MW hybrid tourney but need someone who will be able to AI at some point between now and Mid-January.

Learn to ai before making your own tournament ! It's not hard !
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on October 31, 2012, 02:57:12 PM
Making a Stock MW hybrid tourney but need someone who will be able to AI at some point between now and Mid-January.
For all your AIing needs:

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,11156.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,11156.0.html)
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sylandro on October 31, 2012, 03:52:06 PM
DSL IRL MW?Ok.Depends on who is AI'ing.Maybe half and half?Also we should make it very small, as not to fail miserably.
The Bot Maker will AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on October 31, 2012, 04:05:49 PM
DSL IRL MW?Ok.Depends on who is AI'ing.Maybe half and half?Also we should make it very small, as not to fail miserably.
The Bot Maker will AI.
To host a tournament you have to know how to AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on October 31, 2012, 04:17:51 PM
DSL IRL MW?Ok.Depends on who is AI'ing.Maybe half and half?Also we should make it very small, as not to fail miserably.
The Bot Maker will AI.
To host a tournament you have to know how to AI.
And since you will have to learn:

For all your AIing needs:

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,11156.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,11156.0.html)
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on December 24, 2012, 07:41:43 AM
I have a tourney idea but i want to know your opinion about it before starting:

War Machines

Stock SHW
Combat arena with hasards off (this is for reduce lag)
BFE, AAM, Hax mode and anything made outside the botlab except skinning is prohibited
AI parts and 140 cm extenders are allowed
Crawlers are allowed IF they show controlled mouvement
Other uncontrollable bot types are forbidden
Trinity glitch is Banned

Any ideas about this ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on December 24, 2012, 09:03:29 AM
i thing im going to start a replica ai touranment
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on December 24, 2012, 09:28:29 AM
Replica Wars spinoff? Go for it man, you can take my rules if you want.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on December 24, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
no its like more battle bots but with all the replicas from dsl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on December 24, 2012, 10:16:25 AM
As long as you put it in Display Tournaments, that should be fine..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on December 24, 2012, 10:17:22 AM
I have a tourney idea but i want to know your opinion about it before starting:

War Machines

Stock SHW
Combat arena with hasards off (this is for reduce lag)
BFE, AAM, Hax mode and anything made outside the botlab except skinning is prohibited
AI parts and 140 cm extenders are allowed
Crawlers are allowed IF they show controlled mouvement
Other uncontrollable bot types are forbidden
Trinity glitch is Banned

Any ideas about this ?

Stock SHW is underappreciated. Do it.

just learn to ai before you do it, else you're gonna get a lot of flak.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 24, 2012, 11:37:33 AM
Replica tournaments are stupid and pointless unless they require you to build a new replica yourself... And even then, they're boring as sh**.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on December 24, 2012, 11:49:41 AM
they require you to build a new replica yourself...
lol did you seriously even read his post
hes using the dsl replicas

Crawlers are allowed IF they show controlled mouvement
yesh
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 02, 2013, 09:14:02 PM
Does anyone know when the next tournament vote is?
pm naryar
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on February 08, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
I have a ton of work for the next few days, won't have a chance to get properly up to speed for about a week. My apologies.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on February 17, 2013, 04:09:38 AM
Hello I was thinking about starting a tourney but i can't choose between:

1 DSL realistic SHW
2 DSL Unrelistic AW

Which one you would better like ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on February 17, 2013, 09:21:01 AM
Hello I was thinking about starting a tourney but i can't choose between:

1 DSL realistic SHW
2 DSL Unrelistic AW

Which one you would better like ?
If I were you I would make a poll.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:

-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)

I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.
No ruling on this yet? I still think it's unfair for hosts to show their entry.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:

-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)

I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.
No ruling on this yet? I still think it's unfair for hosts to show their entry.

It basically just ensures they can't build a bot to counter everyone else's. I don't think a host should be competing seriously in their own tournament anyway.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on February 24, 2013, 11:37:55 AM
I agree. I was actually a little annoyed that Immunization got to the Loser's Bracket final in RIP2, because I shouldn't even be close to awarding myself for something.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on February 24, 2013, 11:41:02 AM
So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:

-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)

I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.
No ruling on this yet? I still think it's unfair for hosts to show their entry.
1. What if the tourney is mostly popups, then the host goes out and builds a HS to counter all the popups, is that really fair?
2. How is posting pics of the robots when you receive them even close to being fair? Whoever sends in their bot first is at a huge disadvantage.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on February 24, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
Yeah, I didn't build Artemis or any of my Replica Wars bots to win anything.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 04:02:01 PM
Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on February 24, 2013, 04:02:43 PM
Conraaa won his tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 24, 2013, 04:04:10 PM
Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.
because everyone is going to build their bot specifically to beat yours
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 04:06:12 PM
Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.

I don't think a host should be competing seriously in their own tournament anyway.

In other words... Good. The host shouldn't even come close to winning their own tournament. Their bot should basically be a bye bot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.
because everyone is going to build their bot specifically to beat yours
and I'm going to build a bot to beat everyone else? not every bot will be the same...


Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.

I don't think a host should be competing seriously in their own tournament anyway.

In other words... Good. The host shouldn't even come close to winning their own tournament. Their bot should basically be a bye bot.


Why the heck should a hosts bot be a bye bot? are you serious? The hosts should stand just as much of a chance as everyone else! Oh sure let's get Click entering a SFTW in his own tournament because no one wants him to win...


what the heck has this forum come to, where there's a rule (according to you) against a host winning?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 04:28:29 PM

Go back a few pages, it was discussed at length. When I enter my own tournaments I usually don't enter to win but I still want to see how my new designs in action, this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.

I don't think a host should be competing seriously in their own tournament anyway.

In other words... Good. The host shouldn't even come close to winning their own tournament. Their bot should basically be a bye bot.


Why the heck should a hosts bot be a bye bot? are you serious? The hosts should stand just as much of a chance as everyone else! Oh sure let's get Click entering a SFTW in his own tournament because no one wants him to win...


what the heck has this forum come to, where there's a rule (according to you) against a host winning?
Well, maybe I shouldn't have used those words... A tournament host should never be aiming to win their own tournament.

There isn't a written rule against it,  but I'd be willing to bet that the majority would think it was incredibly gay for a host to win his own tournament. I know I wouldn't like it very much.

ACAMS doesn't even compete in BotM because he hosts it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on February 24, 2013, 04:29:05 PM
I think there was a problem with Avalanche in Terror Twisters. That's why we have that rule.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on February 24, 2013, 04:32:35 PM
Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. ;) I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.


And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 04:45:45 PM

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. ;) I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.
He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.
Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."
Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on February 24, 2013, 04:46:09 PM
this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.
How does it make it impossible for you to win anything?
I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".
Yes, because all 14/31 other people who entered are going to try to build a robot just to beat your robot. I came in 2nd in my own tourney despite the fact I showed my robot and it was a popup. Oh, and instead of getting HS with bottom armour that can kill Popups, I got a lot of Popups
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 04:50:43 PM

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. ;) I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.
He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.
Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."
Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".


Good job contradicting yourself in a single post.



The rule is there to prevent abuse. The rules apply to everybody. Past tournament hosts won't get special treatment.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 04:56:12 PM
this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.
How does it make it impossible for you to win anything?
Let's say I enter a popup weak against horizontal spinners then everyone else enters a HS... sure it's not likely but neither is 1 host finding a way to beat many different bot types.



Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. ;) I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.
He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.
Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."
Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".

Good job contradicting yourself in a single post.

The rule is there to prevent abuse. The rules apply to everybody. Past tournament hosts won't get special treatment.

I don't see how I contradicted myself... I want to see how my bots fair without anyone getting the chance to see "my hand" before it's played. Nice job avoiding the question of where you got the "I'm special cause my name is purple" thing from though.

The tournaments took years before some idiot abused his hosting rights, I don't give it too long until others start entering bots to beat the host for lols.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on February 24, 2013, 04:57:14 PM
The system as it stands is perfectly fine. Realistically, the smallest bracket in a tourney is 8 robots. Even at this size the odds are you won't face the hosts robot. So trying to counter it would probably be pointless.

Conraaa won his tournament.

Yep, Home and Away. I found it slightly embarrasing, admittedly. Which is why I went complete form over function with Jack Daniels in my next tournament after that. I'm still proud of Team Postal Service.

And as for hosts entering their own tournament? After saying the above, i'm fine with it. If we're trusting them to host a fair tournament with our robots, then we're in turn trusting them not to rig it. I can't speak for other tourney hosts, but I host tourneys i'd like to enter myself. So I enter them.

So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:

-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)

I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.

I do not like these 2 rules in the slightest.

You seem to be forgetting the host has access to an ai'd version of every entrants robot. Which is a luxury none of the other competitors have.  For a hypothetical situation, let's presume we have Mr S.Cumbag of Scunthorpe hosting a tourament, this man is our worst case scenario and all he wants is to win. He could easily have a quick test match against everyone, modify to suit accordingly, and then yell "I CHANGED MY BOT YOU CAN UPDATE YOURS TOO" to start the process over again. That's not even ground, it's like mind reading in a game of Rock Paper Scissors.

Anonimity is a luxury in tournaments; you can sneakily send a bot in to the host and not reveal it to anyone. And no one is forcing you to showcase it. If you have a live splash then whoever enters last has a clear advantage as they know what to expect, and what to counter. Albeit not as much of an advantage as the host has under your system.

You know, it's much easier to just repeat the match until your robot wins, rather than try and move for a rule change.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
I get it from this.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has been a contributor for the past two years if not longer. You're trying to say you're better than him and that rule shouldn't apply.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
I get it from this.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has been a contributor for the past two years if not longer. You're trying to say you're better than him and that rule shouldn't apply.


Sorry but if he did what was mentioned and is the cause of this rule he clearly trolled all other entries. I still don't get how you see me being an elitist from that post...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on February 24, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
and how many people have sent bots just to counter the host? quite a few other people showcase their bots and dont seem to care. plus having a bot to counter just one or two bots in a whole tournament is a bloody stupid idea anyway
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 05:07:02 PM
Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on February 24, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

On the flip side, if countering is so hard, then why do you have a problem showing your robot off?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on February 24, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

He could... As long as the bots were close enough in a competitive sense. You can't have a HW popup with two razors and make it look like it beat a 36HS...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 05:17:55 PM
Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

On the flip side, if countering is so hard, then why do you have a problem showing your robot off?
Because countering one bot is easier then countering many, so why have the rule? Give it time and you will see, as I said before it took many years for someone to abuse the "host seeing all other entries" cheat.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on February 24, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
so if the host cant show their entries, does that mean nobody else can show their entries before either to make it fair? thats banning people from showcasing bots and gl with that

i dont see why you find it a big deal showing your entry anyway. hosts have the whole tournament so surely they wouldnt care if their entry is shown
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on February 24, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
on the flip side why is it such a big deal then to show entries as they are received in an updated splash and keep in mind some of you have said it would be unfair for them...?

2. How is posting pics of the robots when you receive them even close to being fair? Whoever sends in their bot first is at a huge disadvantage.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on February 24, 2013, 05:27:18 PM
Because someone could wait 'til last minute, see what the majority entries are like, and enter an effective counter to possibly a lot of the bots.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Fracture on February 24, 2013, 05:45:03 PM
We always place complete trust in tournament hosts; that's why we still allow them to enter the tournament even with control of the brackets and videos. In return, they need to show their own entries because it's simply the right thing to do; it's an honour system we have going. Ian's right in saying that the fairest method would be to ban all hosts from their own tournaments, but then it's not nearly as fun for them. Hosts do what they do because it's how things are handled around here...it's been that way for years and even with all your fair justifications, I think you're going to have a hard time changing it, ian.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on February 26, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
um are there any good free video recording thing

help
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 26, 2013, 05:05:29 PM
if you ask nicely (saying PLEASE AND THANK YOU) i could slip you a copy of fraps off-site
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on February 26, 2013, 05:07:46 PM
if you ask nicely (saying PLEASE AND THANK YOU) i could slip you a copy of fraps off-site
please and thank you
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 26, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
if you ask nicely (saying PLEASE AND THANK YOU) i could slip you a copy of fraps off-site
please and thank you
no like youre gonna have to contact me outside of the forum (skype or something) or through PM for fraps since im pretty sure its against the rules for me to post it on the forum
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on February 26, 2013, 05:18:54 PM
do you have steam

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on February 26, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
do you have steam



yes but i am hardly on there, hence why i said

(skype or something) or through PM
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on February 26, 2013, 05:24:04 PM
um are there any good free video recording thing

help

You could get WeGame but it makes huge files that you have to compress through WMM or something.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: boombabyboom on February 26, 2013, 05:29:40 PM
im 12 going on 13 i dont know that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Kossokei on February 26, 2013, 08:34:53 PM
im 12 going on 13 i dont know that
My Messages -> Messages -> New Message -> Put Mr AwesumSauce in the To: box -> Put in a subject -> Ask nicely and don't make eye contact
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on March 05, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
Soooo...with my tournament done. I was wondering if I could start up BattleBots 6. Now I loved the series but that happened a long time ago. Building has changed since then. There isn't really any other major IRL tournament besides it. So I thought I would restart it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 16, 2013, 11:28:12 AM
I think, that We need a new rule in the "tournament host rules" section :
The tournament hosts must include a info in the very begining (before the sign ups) about are they going to release the bots in any form (an AI pack for example).
Not all people are agree to send their very good bots if they will be included in an AI pack later, available to all.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 16, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
Guess I should add that to the OP in my tournament topic instead of  having it hidden away in the topics pages. Most tournaments release AI packs at their conclusion these days because it's a nice way to keep things fresh.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 16, 2013, 11:41:05 AM
Do it, copy this. Tournament hosts don't need to make a vote or to ask who is giving their bots, they just need to specify it in the begining, so people will have the choise to enter or not, or to enter with not a so secret and good bot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on March 17, 2013, 02:09:34 PM
It's amazing, Venko. All these things that no one has ever complained about you seem to hate with a burning passion.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on March 17, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Yeah these things aren't that big of deal tbh. Does it really change the tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 17, 2013, 05:53:03 PM
Yeah these things aren't that big of deal tbh. Does it really change the tournament?
Your point of view.                                             No, but it's my right to know, like I have the right to know the rules of the tournament.
It's amazing, Venko. All these things that no one has ever complained about you seem to hate with a burning passion.
1. It's not a big deal for the host to post a short line with a info about the releasing of the bots in a AI pack...
2. I have the rights to post opinions and defend them. Do You think I care what the mainstreamers think? Search for some info in the net or read books, the history and the discoveries are not made by mainstremers.
3. I don't want to discuss my reasons to want this, because the evidence material will insult indirect a lot of people.
4. "...hate with a burning passion..." Please don't make any assumptions of what I feel or think, they are not true and trollish...
5. The only think that I don't understand is the reason of your post. Are You complaining about my complaining, or You just have a problem with a people that think different, or just want to troll with assumptions, or just want to increase the post counter, or just want to forbid to people to post opinions about new stuff they care? Answer please, I don't want to make assumptions. Can You tell me also, what is the constructive part in your post that actually will do something good for the RA2 community?

I'm not from the people that will remain silent under the pressure from the "mainstream bullies", just 'cos I have a different opinion. Everyone feel free to try me...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on March 17, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Let's pretend they didnt tell you the bots were going into an AI pack and they do, why would this matter?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 17, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
Don't give a fish to the hungry man, teach him to fishing...
I will not answer You, because You will read my answer without understanding it. Instead, I will leave You to think for yourself what would be my reasons, and what it will change. When You came up with the right answers, You will understand me and respect my opinion, also You will look like a very smart person in my eyes...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on March 17, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
Before I go any further, what is this evidence material you speak of? We're big boys, we can handle the truth.

The reason no one ever asks this in the initial tourney lines is because hardly anyone releases tourney ai packs! It's no good alienating people from a tourney over something that may never get made.

Yes, I am complaining about your complaining. I'm of the opinion that "If it isn't broken, don't fix it". This community has been running tournaments just fine for years without incident. You, on the other hand, vanished for a fair while and now that you're back on the radar? It looks to me like you're trying to find some imaginary problem to complain about just so people don't forget you exist again. As a collective, if there is something we had all missed in the system, it would have been found a while ago.

And quite frankly, you asking tourney hosts to delete your robots off of their hard drives if the tourney doesn't go ahead (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=13107.msg577715#msg577715) could be seen as insulting to the tourney host. If you want to make sure that they don't pass off your work as their own? Showcase it! You're already trusting them to record fair matches and not rig the thing, so why can't you trust them with your .bot file?

In a nutshell, it's a non problem that doesn't need tweaking. I'm all for people posting new ideas; that's what makes the forums go around. But please, don't make your opinion sound like the majority.

And what did my original post contribute? Well, it stated the obvious and provoked you to dust off the good old "im entitled to my opinion. Dont care about You..." argument, which is always good for a read.

I do hope this post answered your questions in much the same way you didn't answer MassimoV's.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on March 17, 2013, 07:01:37 PM
the BBEANS entrants didnt know their bots would be in an AI pack beforehand (excepted 6 and possibly 5 iirc), and it wasnt a problem to them at all when BBEANS ai was released.

if you really care that much about the host stealing your bot and claiming it as their own, why not just showcase it beforehand as proof?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 17, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
Before I go any further, what is this evidence material you speak of? We're big boys, we can handle the truth.
I will leave You to tickle your brain for now, then some day I will humiliate You with the truth.
The reason no one ever asks this in the initial tourney lines is because hardly anyone releases tourney ai packs! It's no good alienating people from a tourney over something that may never get made.
Most people don't care for this, so it's not THAT of an "alienating". And "your opinion sound like the majority" is your fantasy, I never said that.
Yes, I am complaining about your complaining. I'm of the opinion that "If it isn't broken, don't fix it". This community has been running tournaments just fine for years without incident. You, on the other hand, vanished for a fair while and now that you're back on the radar? It looks to me like you're trying to find some imaginary problem to complain about just so people don't forget you exist again. As a collective, if there is something we had all missed in the system, it would have been found a while ago.
*facepalm*, you're making assumptions again, this time even insulting me as an attention seeker. Not to mention that I can say the same for You, so it's kind of a pathetic argument. Most of all, You sound like You really don't have a clue why I want this rule...
And quite frankly, you asking tourney hosts to delete your robots off of their hard drives if the tourney doesn't go ahead (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=13107.msg577715#msg577715) could be seen as insulting to the tourney host. If you want to make sure that they don't pass off your work as their own? Showcase it! You're already trusting them to record fair matches and not rig the thing, so why can't you trust them with your .bot file?
Let's ask Ianh is he feel insulted in any way. This was only for this tournament, because the situation is different, and You make assumptions again. Proof of You speaking bullsh**s :
 
But since, I'll permanently leave the RA2 comunity, there is no point of hiding my secret stuff anymore (yeah, I had the bad habit of not showing my best stuff (both effective and art bots)). So, I may think of releasing a rar with all (this means a lot) my bot files (like the beetle bros do), if I have some spare time.
 
Obviously I don't fear a stealing. Also, maybe the bots are already showcased (ask Iahn about this), but person that assume instead of work with facts can't know that. I trust Ianh, 'cos he understands my reasons, the thing that I don't trust is You understanding anything from what I post...
I'm complaining about your complain of my complain. We can go like this forever.
Adding a short line to the OP doesn't mean something is broken, You are just making a elephant out of a fly.
Also, I feel your posts as trolling with insultive assumptions.

@ Mr. AS : It's not that what I fear...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on March 17, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
Before I go any further, what is this evidence material you speak of? We're big boys, we can handle the truth.
I will leave You to tickle your brain for now, then some day I will humiliate You with the truth.
The reason no one ever asks this in the initial tourney lines is because hardly anyone releases tourney ai packs! It's no good alienating people from a tourney over something that may never get made.
Seriously man, stop acting like your intellectually superior, your not.
I'm with conraa on this tbh, if you don't want your bot to be in an AI pack you can just ask the creator to remove it and you say conraa has no reason to complain because he doesn't know your reasoning which for some reason seems to be either secret or you just don't have a reason at all and are just attention seeking.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 17, 2013, 07:42:33 PM
Seriously man, stop acting like your intellectually superior, your not.
I'm with conraa on this tbh, if you don't want your bot to be in an AI pack you can just ask the creator to remove it and you say conraa has no reason to complain because he doesn't know your reasoning which for some reason seems to be either secret or you just don't have a reason at all and are just attention seeking.
Ohoo, brothers in roboteering helping each other... Call more minions...
Check your grammar before talking about an intelligence... I'm not a native english speaker and I don't (at least) mistake "you are" and "your"...
"Tournament hosts don't need to make a vote or to ask who is giving their bots, they just need to specify it in the begining" Did You read this before You posted?
I promise, I will tell him the reason, after he try some guesses.
But then what will happen to your "attention seeking" insults?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on March 17, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
Seriously man, stop acting like your intellectually superior, your not.
I'm with conraa on this tbh, if you don't want your bot to be in an AI pack you can just ask the creator to remove it and you say conraa has no reason to complain because he doesn't know your reasoning which for some reason seems to be either secret or you just don't have a reason at all and are just attention seeking.
Ohoo, brothers in roboteering helping each other... Call more minions...
Check your grammar before talking about an intelligence... I'm not a native english speaker and I don't (at least) mistake "you are" and "your"...
"Tournament hosts don't need to make a vote or to ask who is giving their bots, they just need to specify it in the begining" Did You read this before You posted?
I promise, I will tell him the reason, after he try some guesses.
But then what will happen to your "attention seeking" insults?
Yes insult my grammar to try and get a reaction, congratulations you've noticed a grammar mistake that an iPhone has corrected incorrectly. Also the fact that me and conraa are both roboteers has nothing to do with me agreeing with him, I agree just as much with Mr.AS and is he a roboteer? No. The attention seeking insults will indeed stop when you give your reasoning but until then they will keep coming because there is literally no point in keeping them secret other than the fact that you want attention.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 17, 2013, 08:06:44 PM
Yes insult my grammar to try and get a reaction, congratulations you've noticed a grammar mistake that an iPhone has corrected incorrectly. Also the fact that me and conraa are both roboteers has nothing to do with me agreeing with him, I agree just as much with Mr.AS and is he a roboteer? No. The attention seeking insults will indeed stop when you give your reasoning but until then they will keep coming because there is literally no point in keeping them secret other than the fact that you want attention.
I admit, that the "grammar" card was a bad card, but how can I know about this, why You are using an autocorrect, can You type by yourself? Allowing the iPhone to mistake for You has the same guilty, as if You posted it. So take the consequences (I'm speaking theoretically). You can't agree with Mr. AS, since I prove him wrong, if You are following all posts. The attention seeking insults need to be punished if You ask me. If You, Conraa or anyone want the reason, then better start guessing, so far the "host stealing my bot" assumption is incorrect. Next try please...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 17, 2013, 08:43:55 PM
Oh gosh, Venko just doesn't want people stealing/cloning his bots and that's fine and he is right it's not a big deal letting people know that the tournament bots will be released as an AI pack. As tournament host I have no problem with his requests.

My own bot (Mini - Flaming Whizzer) seems to have been used in my own tournament (Robo Zone 2) by another forum member (Jonzu) once before, now while I was OK with that (as I had 2 of my own bots entered instead of 1 lol) someone else could get upset about someone else stealing their work even though the bot has been showcased (like mine was) to try and win a tournament and get credit for the original builders work.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: martymidget on March 18, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about somebody hosting a tournament, using the bots in it, posting videos etc etc.

Then you're worried about said person using your bot to win a different tournament by passing it off as their own.

Really? You don't think anybody who had seen the tournament before wouldn't point out that it was a carbon copy of a bot in it? People would notice this kind of thing. YOU would notice this kind of thing, and someone would point it out and then that person would probably be banned from hosting another.

I remember when this mountain was just a simple little molehill..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on March 18, 2013, 10:42:36 AM
lol venko are you scared of your bots being too good for the community? because thats certainly what you sound like. we know you're a good builder, but stop being such an arrogant ass by saying your bots are too good for us and that you can't show them or give them to anyone ever and that they must delete them forever. if you really think your bots are too good for this game or just us, then have fun in your own little world of happiness where quite a few people will probably start doubting you. if you are REALLY that bothered about it, just put that line in your pm or however you send your bots. and try not to be so ironic and hypocritical in your responses, you are certainly in no place to comment on other people's grammar. and in no way are we 'trolling' you right now, you are making a silly point in a really dramatic way. you have missed a lot and im sure that if it was a problem, we would've fixed it, as conraaa said.

also when did you prove as and massimov wrong? you failed to answer both of those and want us to believe you are right and we should listen to what you should say all the time without thinking for a second because you are a good builder/a veteran.


and if anything, people will clone bots based on the splash too
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 18, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about somebody hosting a tournament, using the bots in it, posting videos etc etc.

Then you're worried about said person using your bot to win a different tournament by passing it off as their own.

Really? You don't think anybody who had seen the tournament before wouldn't point out that it was a carbon copy of a bot in it? People would notice this kind of thing. YOU would notice this kind of thing, and someone would point it out and then that person would probably be banned from hosting another.

I remember when this mountain was just a simple little molehill..


No one noticed Firework = Mini - Flaming Whizzer, well at least no one said anything IIRC.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on March 18, 2013, 10:45:40 AM
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about somebody hosting a tournament, using the bots in it, posting videos etc etc.

Then you're worried about said person using your bot to win a different tournament by passing it off as their own.

Really? You don't think anybody who had seen the tournament before wouldn't point out that it was a carbon copy of a bot in it? People would notice this kind of thing. YOU would notice this kind of thing, and someone would point it out and then that person would probably be banned from hosting another.

I remember when this mountain was just a simple little molehill..


No one noticed Firework = Mini - Flaming Whizzer, well at least no one said anything IIRC.
can you prove this by atleast posting the splash again? you've deleted it from the thread so gj there
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 18, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
My own bot (Mini - Flaming Whizzer) seems to have been used in my own tournament (Robo Zone 2) by another forum member (Jonzu) once before, now while I was OK with that (as I had 2 of my own bots entered instead of 1 lol) someone else could get upset about someone else stealing their work even though the bot has been showcased (like mine was) to try and win a tournament and get credit for the original builders work.


Oh dear. There's a difference between your bot being used and your bot being very similar to someone else's. It's an honour to have your bot kloned, it surely means you're doing it right.


Also Venko, the grammar card is possibly the worst card you could play.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 18, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about somebody hosting a tournament, using the bots in it, posting videos etc etc.

Then you're worried about said person using your bot to win a different tournament by passing it off as their own.

Really? You don't think anybody who had seen the tournament before wouldn't point out that it was a carbon copy of a bot in it? People would notice this kind of thing. YOU would notice this kind of thing, and someone would point it out and then that person would probably be banned from hosting another.

I remember when this mountain was just a simple little molehill..

No one noticed Firework = Mini - Flaming Whizzer, well at least no one said anything IIRC.
can you prove this by atleast posting the splash again? you've deleted it from the thread so gj there

Oh look who's being a jerk now, keep it up and you're bound to annoy people enough to delete their work they've done (again) for said jerks. Just be nice, it's not that hard.

here ya go:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5204Comparison.jpg)

Venko doesn't want people stealing his bots and/or cloning them, I mean if clickbeetle asked for that everyone would respect his request wouldn't they? I bet if Venko or I used someone else's bot of the botexchange people would cry about it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on March 18, 2013, 11:07:35 AM
LOL

I didn't know there is difference like that. :gawe:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 18, 2013, 11:11:35 AM
LOL

I didn't know there is difference like that. :gawe:


Perhaps they should form a tag team in ACF and be called "the twins" or "Double Trouble".
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on March 18, 2013, 11:14:49 AM
LOL

I didn't know there is difference like that. :gawe:


Perhaps they should form a tag team in ACF and be called "the twins" or "Double Trouble".
Sure.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ty4er on March 18, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about somebody hosting a tournament, using the bots in it, posting videos etc etc.

Then you're worried about said person using your bot to win a different tournament by passing it off as their own.

Really? You don't think anybody who had seen the tournament before wouldn't point out that it was a carbon copy of a bot in it? People would notice this kind of thing. YOU would notice this kind of thing, and someone would point it out and then that person would probably be banned from hosting another.

I remember when this mountain was just a simple little molehill..

No one noticed Firework = Mini - Flaming Whizzer, well at least no one said anything IIRC.
can you prove this by atleast posting the splash again? you've deleted it from the thread so gj there

Oh look who's being a jerk now, keep it up and you're bound to annoy people enough to delete their work they've done (again) for said jerks. Just be nice, it's not that hard. first off, why would what i have said want people to delete their stuff? and then why did you delete the splash in the first place? infact why did you delete the whole op? you're not helping by deleting evidence that i could've seen and said you were right about him copying your design.

here ya go:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5204Comparison.jpg)

Venko doesn't want people stealing his bots and/or cloning them, I mean if clickbeetle asked for that everyone would respect his request wouldn't they? if he gives a reason then yes, i doubt many people would listen to anybody who doesnt give a valid reason.
 I bet if Venko or I used someone else's bot of the botexchange people would cry about it. this is a really bad example. if venko or you used someone's actual bot from the bot exchange, im sure people would know and point it out, as was said before. if you have a problem with cloning your bot and entering it, im sure nobody else has that problem. i sure didnt in naryars tournament. plus you can later call them out on it and everyone will still know it was your original idea (if it actually was though)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 18, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
To be fair, there isn't a while lot of variation at AW level and I believe you did put your AW chassis up for download, Ian.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 18, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
My face has been palmed, there is variation there if you try to actually build them. Yes I put my chassis up there, my bot was cloned and this is exactly what Venko is worried about and he has every reason to be as it has happened before...

Let's say I released the GTM AI (with the teams from ARBBC) and someone took one of Venko's bots and entered it into a tournament, are you saying there is nothing wrong with that? by that logic I could enter any reskinned INFAI bot and own many faces.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 18, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
You're making a leap between cloning and the same bot. No, it is NOT good to enter someone else's bot. However if it is CLONED, as in they made it themselves using a different design, there is nothing wrong with that. If you don't want people to appreciate and replicate the design, DON'T LET ANYBODY SEE IT. I would say my face has been palmed in return but honestly with all these situations in the last few days my palm hasn't left my head, Ian.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 18, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
He is obviously worried about them being stolen from the AI pack I am going to release after ARBBC because that's why he wanted the new rule so if someone has a unique/great bot they don't want to be used by others anywhere else then they know not to enter it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 18, 2013, 12:31:36 PM
Yeah, that makes sense, not wanting it out there, however if I saw a 'new cool design' in a tournament, even if I didn't have the .bot file, I would attempt to replicate it using my knowledge. If you're that protective over a 'cool' design, you simply can't show anyone, or people will try to replicate. Therefore taking most of the joy out of discovering an awesome design.
After all, in Robot Wars, there were bots that revolutionized the sport. Hypno Disc for example showed people the power of the flywheel. If they wanted to be the only ones who were doing it, they wouldn't have shown anyone, and the entire exercise would've been a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 19, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
This small thing, that was supposed to be not a big deal, went too far (thanks to some people). I'm putting an end to this...
...I mean if clickbeetle asked for that everyone would respect his request wouldn't they?...
The biggest truth, that I read after my comeback. This hypocrites would instantly agree, if he asks.
First of all, I don't want this rule for me, I want it to protect all the good builders, so if someone is against it, maybe he want to do that kind of stealing stuff...
"The bots involved in this tournament will be included in an AI pack."
Look how simple and fast to achieve is. It will not force the people to not enter, they will just know and that's it.
...by saying your bots are too good for us...
I never said that, it's You posting an opinion...
...if you are REALLY that bothered about it, just put that line in your pm or however you send your bots...
I don't want this, no need, just a info in the OP is enough.
Now the truth. What I fear is not the host stealing my bots, or people cloning them by pics. The thing I'm worried is the direct stealing of the bot file from the AI pack after the tournament from a good builder by a lame builder (mostly in stock where not all people can stack that good). Imagine this theoretical situation : You spend hours and hours to do some uber stacking (MidF for example, 2 blacks + CB, 2 stacked snappers, all this in a perfectly small chassis) then You submit it for a tournament. The tournament is over, the AI pack is released without your knowledge, and then someone instead of cloning this bot by pic, used directly your bot file or with insignificant modifications and enter the next tournament and win it. You worked on it for hours, he have it for 5 sec. Some people don't care if someone will find out, as long as they win. If You don't find this disturbing, You are either a pathetic builder or stupid? This simple line I posted on the upper lines, will eliminate this with an ease. I'm still fighting for this, as long as I'm entering tournaments, when I stop enter tournaments and release all my bots they can do whatever they want. I don't build for hours just someone to steal mine or someone else work for a seconds. Instead, I get "attention seeker", "arrogant ass" and so...
I didn't know that this kind of stuff actually happened to Ianh. So we have the first case of this.
Also, when I made a damn good bot, and after testing it, I found that it's extremly good, of course I wouldn't show it to the most people, but keep it for ownage. And I have some of these, most stock builders don't innovate, just copy+paste.
Ianh05 is way smarter than You, if You ask me... And You look like a trolls to me, that don't have anything better to do than grudge for nothing and trolling people.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on March 19, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
About Ian's bot... I talked to Jonzu on Skype and he says that the robot was merely a clone. He built it himself and submitted it for the tournament.

I do admit that I used a bot that was built by Somebody as a base for a bot I recently showcased. I gave Somebody full credit for any part of the bot that he built. The only reason I did it was to test a theory I had about a weapon setup, but I don't build in stock anymore and I cannot stack to save my life. The bot was never entered into a tournament and the bot file will most likely be lost at some point anyway.

As far as direct bot file copying, it has never happened, but if it did happen, the builder would most likely lose all credibility and respect from the entire community. So they would gain nothing.


Other than that, I don't have anything to say about this because frankly, I don't care either way.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Trovaner on March 19, 2013, 12:43:03 PM
Many tournaments have a rule like "all entries become the sole property of <whomever>" in them but that wouldn't work well for RA2 tournaments because of the ease of copying someone else's work. However, I like to think that the host can do whatever they would like with the bots that participated in their tournament (it had to take place) as long as they are not claiming them as their own. The fact that your bot was seen on video from multiple angles already gives people enough information to make copies of it. Anything that people find interesting regardless of whether it is big or small is likely to be copied and that will not change (we are not going to go down the same road as the U.S. patent system). If people take inspiration for something, we should not be limiting them.

Also the argument that if Click said it, this wouldn't stir anything up is invalid. I and others have disagreed with both ACAMS, Clickbeetle, and JoeBlo before with very little hesitation. The 1.31 and 1.4 patches are prime examples of me taking the opposite side of all three of them.

This is all just my opinion though so feel free to continue debating this if you so choose.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on March 19, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
This small thing, that was supposed to be not a big deal, went too far (thanks to some people). I'm putting an end to this...
...I mean if clickbeetle asked for that everyone would respect his request wouldn't they?...
The biggest truth, that I read after my comeback. This hypocrites would instantly agree, if he asks.
First of all, I don't want this rule for me, I want it to protect all the good builders, so if someone is against it, maybe he want to do that kind of stealing stuff...
"The bots involved in this tournament will be included in an AI pack."
Look how simple and fast to achieve is. It will not force the people to not enter, they will just know and that's it.
...by saying your bots are too good for us...
I never said that, it's You posting an opinion...
...if you are REALLY that bothered about it, just put that line in your pm or however you send your bots...
I don't want this, no need, just a info in the OP is enough.
Now the truth. What I fear is not the host stealing my bots, or people cloning them by pics. The thing I'm worried is the direct stealing of the bot file from the AI pack after the tournament from a good builder by a lame builder (mostly in stock where not all people can stack that good). Imagine this theoretical situation : You spend hours and hours to do some uber stacking (MidF for example, 2 blacks + CB, 2 stacked snappers, all this in a perfectly small chassis) then You submit it for a tournament. The tournament is over, the AI pack is released without your knowledge, and then someone instead of cloning this bot by pic, used directly your bot file or with insignificant modifications and enter the next tournament and win it. You worked on it for hours, he have it for 5 sec. Some people don't care if someone will find out, as long as they win. If You don't find this disturbing, You are either a pathetic builder or stupid? This simple line I posted on the upper lines, will eliminate this with an ease. I'm still fighting for this, as long as I'm entering tournaments, when I stop enter tournaments and release all my bots they can do whatever they want. I don't build for hours just someone to steal mine or someone else work for a seconds. Instead, I get "attention seeker", "arrogant ass" and so...
I didn't know that this kind of stuff actually happened to Ianh. So we have the first case of this.
Also, when I made a damn good bot, and after testing it, I found that it's extremly good, of course I wouldn't show it to the most people, but keep it for ownage. And I have some of these, most stock builders don't innovate, just copy+paste.
Ianh05 is way smarter than You, if You ask me... And You look like a trolls to me, that don't have anything better to do than grudge for nothing and trolling people.

...if you are REALLY that bothered about it, just put that line in your pm or however you send your bots...
I don't want this, no need, just a info in the OP is enough.

Wait, so you don't want this, and it's seemingly evident not many other people are keen on it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 19, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
Many tournaments have a rule like "all entries become the sole property of <whomever>" in them but that wouldn't work well for RA2 tournaments because of the ease of copying someone else's work. However, I like to think that the host can do whatever they would like with the bots that participated in their tournament (it had to take place) as long as they are not claiming them as their own. The fact that your bot was seen on video from multiple angles already gives people enough information to make copies of it. Anything that people find interesting regardless of whether it is big or small is likely to be copied and that will not change (we are not going to go down the same road as the U.S. patent system). If people take inspiration for something, we should not be limiting them.
We don't discuss a cloning from a pic here, we are discussing the direct use of the bot file from a GTM member that downloaded the AI pack after the release.
Also the argument that if Click said it, this wouldn't stir anything up is invalid. I and others have disagreed with both ACAMS, Clickbeetle, and JoeBlo before with very little hesitation. The 1.31 and 1.4 patches are prime examples of me taking the opposite side of all three of them.
Yes, but You are not from that hypocrites I mentioned above ;)
This is all just my opinion though so feel free to continue debating this if you so choose.
Wait, so you don't want this, and it's seemingly evident not many other people are keen on it?
Ditch the bad habit of speaking from the name of the community at first. And yes, I don't want to send a PM to the host, I want this in the OP:
"The bots involved in this tournament will be included in an AI pack."
, because the leaking of my bots is mine responsibility, I can judge what to send and what not, after I read that line... Also, your "alienating" argument is pathetic, You can't post this as a main argument against mine.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on March 19, 2013, 09:14:13 PM
No, I don't think I'll do that. I mean jeez, it's just a game. We aren't ruining anyone's career with this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on March 19, 2013, 10:00:05 PM
You say you don't want to have to PM the host, but how else are you gonna get the bot to them?

Dude between this and BoTM you are making yourself look like a gigantic (expletive). I would stop now and save whatever respect people have left for you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 20, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
No, I don't think I'll do that. I mean jeez, it's just a game. We aren't ruining anyone's career with this.
Yes, but a short line of text in the OP isn't ruining anyone's career too. Right?
You say you don't want to have to PM the host, but how else are you gonna get the bot to them?
I'm sending the bots by PM, I don't want to send a permissions, a line of text in the OP is enough.
Dude between this and BoTM you are making yourself look like a gigantic (expletive). I would stop now and save whatever respect people have left for you.
Hahaha, I don't seek respect at all dude, I'm simply just posting my point of view and some people take all this too far (look at the shortness of my first posts on the problems). Also, there is no point, because the forum is full with gigantic (expletive)s that gang me up as Ianh said and they will never be OK with whatever I do. Don't You find a coincidence that all member that grudge me are mostly a new members that joined after I left and don't know me? I'm just Venko, I post bots and opinions, some like them some not and that's it.
I don't want this for myself only, I'm leaving this place soon, so all your grudges against me are kinda pointless and childish... You, the new members gang, You are not telling me what to be my opinion.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on March 20, 2013, 11:28:16 AM
Venko, people are trying to make arguments against your points and you turn them into dramatic personal attacks by calling them trolls. Just stop it.

You FULLY have the right to get pissed off if someone slightly changes your own hardly built designs and uses it as a tournament or ai pack entry, and you probably have even the right to ask for a removal of the bot... and I will defend your right to do so.

But limiting the flow of bots between builders is not the right way to achieve that. It does more harm than good, in fact. You grow as a builder with change and development, not isolationism. You should know that.

Not everyone downloads a bot to use it as their own against the builder's will.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 20, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
I believe it got personal when they said he thinks that he "above it all".

Lot's of people do clone though, Venko doesn't want to see his work become a fad in showcases and tournaments (look at what happened with caster armor especially after CB showed Heroic Sacrifice), He obviously has some unique designs he doesn't want to see go down that road.

It's hard to say which is better:

*Preventing cloning by holding unique designs back and hopefully having others create new designs themselves instead of cloning said bots.

*Sharing unique bots and having it cloned by other builders instead of having them come up with unique designs themselves.

The best thing for creativity would be to close down the showcase for awhile and have everyone come back with new unique designs, but that wouldn't be fun for anyone.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 20, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
"The bots involved in this tournament will be included in an AI pack."
IS A
...limiting the flow of bots between builders...
? WTF ?
Nar, You are basically saying that :
"If someone commit a crime I'm with You for punishing it, but I'm against a preventive police or to have a laws". And this is funny.
Also, did people become scared and go away from the tournaments of Ianh and Mr. AS when they include this in their OP? Did someone died from that 2 lines?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on March 21, 2013, 06:40:22 PM
I don't want to have the pressure of something like this. Maybe the pack never gets released (RIWAI) or maybe the host just thinks the bots should be released to the comunity (RIP AI, at least I think).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 21, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
i feel so much dumber after reading all of that........
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 21, 2013, 06:55:49 PM
I don't want to have the pressure of something like this. Maybe the pack never gets released (RIWAI) or maybe the host just thinks the bots should be released to the comunity (RIP AI, at least I think).
I can't understand what You are trying to say. Can You be more clear and specific? I don't have problems with your posts and opinions.

The host always can put this, if it's unsure:
"The bots involved in this tournament may someday be included in an AI pack."
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 21, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
What Massimov is saying is sometimes the host will just decide to release the tournament entries in an AI pack, as I did with RIP AI, which had no complaints whatsoever, despite having some very interesting entries.
At the end of the day it's pretty much the host's decision, and if they decide to release the bots in a pack and someone objects, their bot can be removed from the pack at that point. It doesn't require all this pre-meditation in the rules, I didn't know I would release RIP AI after RIP2, it just felt right, for example.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on March 22, 2013, 09:07:11 AM
You all are missing the main part here. I don't fear the stealing 'cos of the new design, but 'cos of the extreme stacking already done. There is no extreme stacking and glitching in DSL, only in stock. Try to build something like MidF to see that it's not easy to build, like a DSL bot . That's why You all say no one complains, simply 'cos the pack You released don't have that uber stack at all. I don't do DSL, I want this rule for stock mostly. So allowing it in stock only may suit both sides well, 'cos I don't care for DSL. Also, in stock it's harder to follow who steals, since stock don't have that big community as the DSL. The reason that I want a text in the OP, instead of telling the host to not include my bots, was exactly to not sound like a big deal (contrary to this, You all label me exactly as this). Also, see how this discussion is flowing way more problemless without a bite-ish comments...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on March 22, 2013, 09:14:18 AM
There are several stock AI packs and there has never been a complaint.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 22, 2013, 09:15:12 AM
Also, in stock it's harder to follow who steals, since stock don't have that big community as the DSL.

Wouldn't that make it easier to follow due to less bots being around?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on March 24, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
Tournaments people are waiting for:

1. Boxing tournament (been talked about many times! Robot combat league style)
2. Racing tournament (timed lap around certain arena's)
3. Robot Olympics (with lifting, jumping, throwing challenges etc.)

This list features all possible but never done before tournaments. Feel free to add to this list :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on April 29, 2013, 03:20:23 AM
Brand new tournament idea:

Robo-Checkers - 2 teams, 1 board with the goal to defeat all the opposing teams bots. Bot's are placed on a checkers board and teams take turns moving bots, once 2 bots make contact they battle and the losing bot is removed from the board this process continues until one team eliminates all opposing bots.

This tournament is a lot different in format because instead of a random draw to decide match-ups the players can strategize to try and get the best match-ups possible. Each team assigns a team leader to submit the moves each turn and the tournament starts when each team has submitted their starting positions to the tournament host.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Venko on April 29, 2013, 03:42:37 AM
I had a similar idea but even further, more like a RPG game with a fights inside RA2.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on April 29, 2013, 04:02:47 AM
I have a torney idea: Defense Line

tag team tourney but each of the two teams fighting has a role
 The arena is a tabbletop arena with a red line at one end near the edge
the red must cross the line, the blue team must stop them kinda like tower defense
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on April 29, 2013, 04:16:01 AM
You'd probably need a new arena for that. Also I had another simple new idea:

Red vs Blue - 2 randomly generated teams, each member creates a different weight class for either stock or DSL  For this tournament you could feature every single weight class put forward including fleaweights (100kgs or less), featherweights (175.1-200kgs), cruiserweights (400-600kgs) and ultra-heavyweights (1200-3000kgs).

Just imagine 2 teams made up of the following...

Stock:

Fleaweight (FLW)
AW
BW
Featherweight (FW)
LW
MW
Cruiserweight (CW)
HW
SHW
UHW

DSL:

Fleaweight (FLW)
AW
BW
Featherweight (FW)
LW
MW
Cruiserweight (CW)
HW
SHW
UHW

so it would be best of 20 and up to around 40 entries unless a special decider is needed which would consist of a new unofficial weight class (249.1-300kgs or 601-700kgs for example). 40 entries might not be hard to achieve seeing as it combines both stock and DSL.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on May 12, 2013, 02:48:09 PM
I was thinking, someone could go through this topic and collect all the tournament idea's that haven't been used yet and create a list in the OP with links to each one. There are many great tournament idea's that haven't been used yet and I want more variety than just different weight classes being used.

People need to think more outside the box and I believe this list will help bring us more fun and unique tournaments. I have Robo-Checkers and Red vs Blue in the pipeline for tournaments I plan to host.

Here's another idea while I'm here that I'm not sure has been discussed yet:

Faction wars - Teams made up of different members, each team builds one bot type (HS, VS, Rammer etc.) for different weight classes. So you would get stuff like team HS vs team Popup etc.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on May 12, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
You'd probably need a new arena for that. Also I had another simple new idea:

Red vs Blue - 2 randomly generated teams, each member creates a different weight class for both stock and DSL. For this tournament you could feature every single weight class put forward including fleaweights (100kgs or less), featherweights (175.1-200kgs), cruiserweights (400-600kgs) and ultra-heavyweights (1200-3000kgs).

Just imagine 2 teams made up of the following...

Stock:

Fleaweight (FLW)
AW
BW
Featherweight (FW)
LW
MW
Cruiserweight (CW)
HW
SHW
UHW

DSL:

Fleaweight (FLW)
AW
BW
Featherweight (FW)
LW
MW
Cruiserweight (CW)
HW
SHW
UHW

so it would be best of 20 and up to around 40 entries unless a special decider is needed which would consist of a new unofficial weight class (249.1-300kgs or 601-700kgs for example). 40 entries might not be hard to achieve seeing as it combines both stock and DSL.

I'd personally ditch fleaweights as there's not much you can do with them. (You've already created everything possible in about 20 bots) Plus it'd bring it down to 9 classes, meaning that there couldn't be a tie.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on May 12, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I'd personally ditch fleaweights as there's not much you can do with them. (You've already created everything possible in about 20 bots) Plus it'd bring it down to 9 classes, meaning that there couldn't be a tie.

Actually it'd always have a chance of being a tie because you'd be dealing in multiples of 2. perhaps 1 point per round in each match up would be required or we could ditch stock FLW and just make it DSL.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on May 31, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Someone should do a Ironbot style tourney
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on August 01, 2013, 12:28:22 PM
I know I'm a little late, but robot checkers sounds really cool.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 01, 2013, 01:03:47 PM
What about a SHW  DSL tourney with no realistic rule.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on August 01, 2013, 03:04:17 PM
What about a SHW  DSL tourney with no realistic rule.
To quote Dr. Evil:
HOW 'BOUT NO?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 01, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
but it would be fun...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on August 01, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 01, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
What about a SHW  DSL tourney with no realistic rule.
To quote Dr. Evil:
HOW 'BOUT NO?
I am Dr.Evil
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on August 01, 2013, 05:46:21 PM
Yeah I'd be game for that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: R1885 on August 01, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on August 01, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
The SHW DSL Unrealistic is not a bad idea

DSL Ironbot Anyone?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 02, 2013, 06:48:04 AM
Yep

I could host the DSL SHW tourney, but i can only post pictures ATM
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on August 02, 2013, 07:56:27 AM
I have done a topic about it just to have to wait it gets approved
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: ianh05 on August 04, 2013, 04:19:20 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/694740296820.jpg)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 04, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Is taking pictures for a tourney good enough?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on August 04, 2013, 05:31:01 PM
I would say no, but if you can find willing participants, you can go ahead with my blessing as a tourney mod.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: AlexGRFan97 on August 26, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
So we have IRL tournaments already, but what about an even more realistic tournament that mimics real life competitions? I can't be the only one that gets fed up seeing a robot get the crap beaten out of it in a semi-final match and only beat its opponent on a technicality, then go on to dominate the grand final seemingly unscathed from its previous fight. If your robot takes a lot of damage, then expect it to continue damaged with minor repairs in later stages. Same goes for the arena. If someone breaks a pulverizer or a killsaw, then it won't be functional for the next couple of matches. As saws, hammers, and other things pound on the arena floor, dents and scratches will start to appear on the surface.

I could do this, only problem is I suck balls at AI'ing and as it stands, nobody wants another IRL competition until 2015 at the earliest.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on August 26, 2013, 08:39:11 AM
So we have IRL tournaments already, but what about an even more realistic tournament that mimics real life competitions? I can't be the only one that gets fed up seeing a robot get the crap beaten out of it in a semi-final match and only beat its opponent on a technicality, then go on to dominate the grand final seemingly unscathed from its previous fight. If your robot takes a lot of damage, then expect it to continue damaged with minor repairs in later stages. Same goes for the arena. If someone breaks a pulverizer or a killsaw, then it won't be functional for the next couple of matches. As saws, hammers, and other things pound on the arena floor, dents and scratches will start to appear on the surface.

I could do this, only problem is I suck balls at AI'ing and as it stands, nobody wants another IRL competition until 2015 at the earliest.

Click did something like that in stock. Look for Ironbot.

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on August 26, 2013, 09:33:36 AM
Is taking pictures for a tourney good enough?

No.

Just get Bandicam, the demo is good enough.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on October 12, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Someone should make a Stock IRL tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on October 12, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
Someone should make a Stock IRL tourney.
stock and irl are two very very opposite things. practically nobody builds stock IRL anymore anyway.
if you are really interested in stock irl, check out one of jonzu's tourneys called "robot wars series 8" or something along those lines. some IRL stock designs in there.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on October 12, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
Someone should make a Stock IRL tourney.
stock and irl are two very very opposite things. practically nobody builds stock IRL anymore anyway.
if you are really interested in stock irl, check out one of jonzu's tourneys called "robot wars series 8" or something along those lines. some IRL stock designs in there.
That's really cool. Exactly why there should be another one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Probably Rob on October 12, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
practically nobody builds stock IRL anymore anyway.

"I do." [/Moleman voice]
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on October 12, 2013, 09:27:17 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on October 12, 2013, 10:09:28 PM
This may or may not have nothing to do with previous discussion but my next tourney will be announced tomorrow...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 14, 2013, 07:33:24 AM
Quick idea to bounce around.

15 entrants in 5 battles with 3 in each.
1 winner of each goes on to the semi-finals.
1 of the defeated 10 is voted back as the wildcard.
2 semi-final battles with 3 in each.
2 winners move on to grand final.
Winner of grand final is overall winner.

Comments?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Probably Rob on October 14, 2013, 09:01:34 AM
No.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on October 14, 2013, 12:27:19 PM
Could be an interesting starter level tournament. I like it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on October 14, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
I think it's a decent idea. Reminds me of the All-Star Race in NASCAR a bit with the whole Wildcard thing.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Merrick on October 14, 2013, 03:16:29 PM
I like the sound of that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: AlexGRFan97 on December 21, 2013, 12:18:27 PM
When you host a tournament, can you choose to not enter yourself and just let everyone else be able to enter? I'd like to make a DSL-S tourney and maybe a Stock one too just to shut all the complainers up about how every tournament nowadays is IRL only.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 21, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
When you host a tournament, can you choose to not enter yourself and just let everyone else be able to enter? I'd like to make a DSL-S tourney and maybe a Stock one too just to shut all the complainers up about how every tournament nowadays is IRL only.
When you host a tournament, can you choose to not enter yourself and just let everyone else be able to enter? I'd like to make a DSL-S tourney and maybe a Stock one too just to shut all the complainers up about how every tournament nowadays is IRL only.

Yes. I think some people actually prefer that the host not enter.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Probably Rob on December 21, 2013, 01:44:25 PM
I didn't even want to enter my own, as I don't really think it's fair to actually enter your own tournaments - unless it's necessary.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on January 17, 2014, 03:14:41 AM
Just a quick note, the 'How To Host A Tournament' guide is now fully updated.
Woo!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on May 01, 2014, 08:34:35 PM
Would anyone be interested if we have a tournament similar to ironbot? that in my own opinion is the most original and coolest tourney i've seen.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on May 01, 2014, 08:49:53 PM
Mr. AS' Super Smash Bots tourney is fairly similar to Ironbot IMO, except it has lives and you don't lose components permanently.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on May 01, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
I had an idea where there was rounds and every round would have a different restriction, like one would say: (MW, No Irons, Razers, or maces.)
and an other one would say (HW, No HPZ. Must use redbirds.)
Would anybody be interested? If so I will be doing that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on May 02, 2014, 05:28:13 AM
1) That'd be a lot of work - something to not consider until you've finished your current tournament.
2) The Entry Level Rules state each entrant may only enter a maximum of 3 robots, so if you wanted more, you'd have to get to Major League, which would mean running 3 successful tournaments after RR is finished.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wolfsbane on May 02, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
can someone link me to a screen recorder that works well with RA2?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on May 02, 2014, 10:43:56 PM
can someone link me to a screen recorder that works well with RA2?

Bandicam's demo will suffice. You'll have to deal with the logo tho, but you can add in your own logo if you wish.

http://www.bandicam.com/ (http://www.bandicam.com/)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on May 03, 2014, 07:13:42 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on May 03, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on May 04, 2014, 04:03:58 AM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Id be interested.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on May 04, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Id be interested.
You can barely build a wheeled robot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on May 04, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Id be interested.
You can barely build a wheeled robot.
lel so funny master trole lelelel xDDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on May 04, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Id be interested.
You can barely build a wheeled robot.

Take this to Junkyard, keep it out of main forum.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on May 04, 2014, 02:07:41 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Id be interested.
You can barely build a wheeled robot.
lel so funny master trole lelelel xDDDDDDDDD
I wasn't kidding though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on May 04, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
what about an only walkers tournament?
that would be odd

Wouldn't be enough interest.
Id be interested.
You can barely build a wheeled robot.
lel so funny master trole lelelel xDDDDDDDDD
I wasn't kidding though.
i built a decent stock robot
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on May 04, 2014, 02:11:53 PM
Stop.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on May 04, 2014, 02:12:22 PM
Stop.
k
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on May 04, 2014, 10:57:39 PM
We should have another replica tournament of some sort.
(Imagines battling Ressetti.)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on June 02, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
Guys, im thinking about doing a tourney, but my AI skills are limited to a bot name swap in the bindings with the same bot type, and a smart zone placement. I also have my last term within school soon, and basically will not have the time to perform this tournament. I would like to TRY, but unless everyone is ok with BLOOPier AI than stock within DSL 3. Oh, and i can change the nose value to make it work.
Idea for tournament is here:
16 People. 4 matches of 4 people. The 4th placed person goes into Delta Bracket, 3rd - Gamma Bracket, 2nd, Beta bracket, 1st goes into Alpha.
This effectively sets the difficulty of each of the brackets, creating massive battles, and much smaller matches.
Top 2 go through to Epsilon Bracket. It is a standard Double Elimination bracket.
Main Rules: DSL CW IRL. Cheatbot2 can only be allowed for Judge Bursts, and Lifter Motors.
You may use replica cheatbot2 parts, but you may have to have your bot exposed to public to decide if the use is fair or not.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 02, 2014, 01:12:16 PM
Guys, im thinking about doing a tourney, but my AI skills are limited to a bot name swap in the bindings with the same bot type, and a smart zone placement. I also have my last term within school soon, and basically will not have the time to perform this tournament. I would like to TRY, but unless everyone is ok with sh**tier AI than stock within DSL 3. Oh, and i can change the nose value to make it work.
Idea for tournament is here:
16 People. 4 matches of 4 people. The 4th placed person goes into Delta Bracket, 3rd - Gamma Bracket, 2nd, Beta bracket, 1st goes into Alpha.
This effectively sets the difficulty of each of the brackets, creating massive battles, and much smaller matches.
Top 2 go through to Epsilon Bracket. It is a standard Double Elimination bracket.
Main Rules: DSL CW IRL. Cheatbot2 can only be allowed for Judge Bursts, and Lifter Motors.
You may use replica cheatbot2 parts, but you may have to have your bot exposed to public to decide if the use is fair or not.
I kinda like the idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on June 02, 2014, 03:07:59 PM
No.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 02, 2014, 03:25:17 PM
id join
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: KOS on June 02, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Ugh more irl... we need more stock tournaments!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 02, 2014, 03:30:25 PM
I really like that. It gives noobs and artbots a chance to do well and weeds out tryhard IRL bots.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on June 02, 2014, 04:02:31 PM
tryhard IRL bots.
I don't get what this means.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 02, 2014, 04:10:50 PM
tryhard IRL bots.
I don't get what this means.
bots made to win and not to look irl
bots on the verge of being dsl-s
i dont like artbots though because they can be designed under the rule of cool
meaning some artbots dont look realistic
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 02, 2014, 04:26:38 PM
tryhard IRL bots.
I don't get what this means.
bots made to win and not to look irl
bots on the verge of being dsl-s
Yeah, this and generic bots with high damage weapons (i.e Bar HS with beaters & small ds teeth, Flipper with beater spam, any IRL bot with DSL-S style wedges)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 02, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
Ugh more irl... we need more stock tournaments!

Natural Selection 2?

I'd really like to host a stock tournament, but I don't think I would do a very good job.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 02, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
I really like that. It gives noobs and artbots a chance to do well and weeds out tryhard IRL bots.
You do realize it would just be who spams the most DSL Bars then right?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 03, 2014, 04:25:33 AM
i dont like artbots though because they can be designed under the rule of cool
meaning some artbots dont look realistic

Lolwat, you don't like artbots because they look cool?
Besides if an artbot isn't 'realistic' it shouldn't be allowed into 'realistic' tournaments, and is a showcase only type deal.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on June 03, 2014, 04:35:27 AM
if my laptop would't be dying and I would find the time I would do a Stock HW TA
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 03, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
i dont like artbots though because they can be designed under the rule of cool
meaning some artbots dont look realistic

Lolwat, you don't like artbots because they look cool?
Besides if an artbot isn't 'realistic' it shouldn't be allowed into 'realistic' tournaments, and is a showcase only type deal.
no i dont like artbots in tournaments is all
some artbots couldnt be built in real life so they shouldnt be allowed in irl tournaments
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on June 03, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
i dont like artbots though because they can be designed under the rule of cool
meaning some artbots dont look realistic


Lolwat, you don't like artbots because they look cool?
Besides if an artbot isn't 'realistic' it shouldn't be allowed into 'realistic' tournaments, and is a showcase only type deal.
no i dont like artbots in tournaments is all
some artbots couldnt be built in real life so they shouldnt be allowed in irl tournaments


If they're not realistic, they're not allowed in IRL tournaments because they're not IRL. I don't get what the problem is.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 03, 2014, 02:14:22 PM
So you're freely admitting to entering IRL tournaments, where the main goal is to make bots that look true to real life, with the intention of making them as efficient as possible to win? :P Because I think a good IRL bot is an artbot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 03, 2014, 05:44:26 PM
So you're freely admitting to entering IRL tournaments, where the main goal is to make bots that look true to real life, with the intention of making them as efficient as possible to win? :P Because I think a good IRL bot is an artbot.
no
irl bots are artbots but artbots are not always irl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 03, 2014, 06:05:35 PM
But you said you don't like artbots at all, when you clearly like IRL? I am too confused for this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 03, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
But you said you don't like artbots at all, when you clearly like IRL? I am too confused for this.
artbots are fine
i have a problem with irl tournaments just revolving around make your robot look cool
while that is important an attempt to win is good
also making a bot which doesnt look like it could be designed in real life and then showing a photo of an actual robot to justify it
especially when it isnt even similar
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 03, 2014, 08:54:09 PM
But you said you don't like artbots at all, when you clearly like IRL? I am too confused for this.
i have a problem with irl tournaments just revolving around make your robot look cool
while that is important an attempt to win is good
IRL really isn't competitive. It's all about making your bot look cool and having some fun.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 03, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
But you said you don't like artbots at all, when you clearly like IRL? I am too confused for this.
i have a problem with irl tournaments just revolving around make your robot look cool
while that is important an attempt to win is good
IRL really isn't competitive. It's all about making your bot look cool and having some fun.
yes but they have tournaments for a reason
irl doesnt have to be bad is all i am saying
it is obviously about the fun
i personally like fun effective bots
inovative bots are fun thats why i made snugglebot evolution
it looks cool and wins
i think irl should have a bit more of a competetive aspect
theres not much i agreee with naryar on in irl but that is one thing
teams in real life dont build too look cool they build to win
or jokebots breaking those rules
i like irl the way it is but there are some bots that make it through that make you go
could that be built in real life?
thats my only complaint really
didnt mean to offend anyone
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 04, 2014, 04:00:00 AM
I'm very much with Helloface on this one, always have. I mean you think bots like Diotoir, Granny's Revenge, Mighty Mouse etc were entered with the intention of winning? I'm 90% sure most bots were made and entered for the fun of it, because at the end of the day you'll always end up coming up against a Chaos 2, Hypnodisc or Razer (for example) which are obviously just better engineered.
IRL is a fun time to make something fun and nice looking. If you want to make a killer bot play Standard. That's my opinion anyway.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on June 04, 2014, 04:12:43 AM
I'm very much with Helloface on this one, always have. I mean you think bots like Diotoir, Granny's Revenge, Mighty Mouse etc were entered with the intention of winning? I'm 90% sure most bots were made and entered for the fun of it, because at the end of the day you'll always end up coming up against a Chaos 2, Hypnodisc or Razer (for example) which are obviously just better engineered.
IRL is a fun time to make something fun and nice looking. If you want to make a killer bot play Standard. That's my opinion anyway.

Forgetting Snake and BuddyLeeDontPlayInTheStreet
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 04, 2014, 09:39:36 AM
you're right jokebots are made for fun nemisis and diotoir are literally flammable
joke bots are great
artbots can be dumb
without the razer or chaos 2 though would it have been as enjoyable?
and no
looks are more important than fighting ability
but an effective good looking bot is great
take for example razer
looks great works great
i think irl is about making a good looking effective bot
which is why i dont like dsl-s as much
the bots can look so similar as to almost bore me
i like bots that look like they could exist
thats all i dont like about irl
bots that are made to lookcool but dont look like they could be built irl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: martymidget on June 04, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
you're right jokebots are made for fun nemisis and diotoir are literally flammable
the bots can look so similar as to almost bore me

IRL in a nutshell.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 04, 2014, 09:44:33 AM
you're right jokebots are made for fun nemisis and diotoir are literally flammable
the bots can look so similar as to almost bore me

IRL in a nutshell.
i both love and hate you marty
while many irl bots look the same
so do many dsl-s bots
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 05, 2014, 09:38:41 PM
double post sorry
i know sense i am not a major league host i can only have a certain number of entrants
but the idea i have involves teams made up of robots from 2 different people
so can i have twice the entrants or will i just have a really small bracket?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 05, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
Small bracket. There's really nothing wrong with that though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 05, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
Small bracket. There's really nothing wrong with that though.
i know was just curious
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Tweedy on June 06, 2014, 08:27:57 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 06, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Something like the RA2 World Cup, god I enjoyed that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 06, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
walker tournament
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 06, 2014, 03:01:42 PM
Steel 10 HW tournament
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 06, 2014, 03:05:11 PM
I honestly think IRL should just be about cool looks and there. As long as it's cool enough and there's no "trying too hard to be DSL-S" factor in a bot, it should be allowed. Good IRL tournament should be impressing you with every entry.

Who gives a rat's ass if it is not 100% realistic or be 100% in accord with real life designs ? Sure it should look realistic, but the most important in an IRL bot is all of the three following factors: originality, good looks and interesting designs.

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 06, 2014, 03:08:09 PM
I honestly think IRL should just be about cool looks and there. As long as it's cool enough and there's no "trying too hard to be DSL-S" factor in a bot, it should be allowed. Good IRL tournament should be impressing you with every entry.

Who gives a rat's ass if it is not 100% realistic or be 100% in accord with real life designs ? Sure it should look realistic, but the most important in an IRL bot is all of the three following factors: originality, good looks and interesting designs.
i agree, except this
 >Who gives a rat's ass if it is not 100% realistic or be 100% in accord with real life designs?
its called in real life for a reason
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 06, 2014, 03:13:41 PM
I honestly think IRL should just be about cool looks and there. As long as it's cool enough and there's no "trying too hard to be DSL-S" factor in a bot, it should be allowed. Good IRL tournament should be impressing you with every entry.

Who gives a rat's ass if it is not 100% realistic or be 100% in accord with real life designs ? Sure it should look realistic, but the most important in an IRL bot is all of the three following factors: originality, good looks and interesting designs.
i agree, except this
 >Who gives a rat's ass if it is not 100% realistic or be 100% in accord with real life designs?
its called in real life for a reason

Except there's no reason behind it. People like some RL bots and therefore try to build like it, and that's where the "IRL = real life" thing comes from.

I am not saying it should be UNREALISTIC... I said "who gives a rats ass if it is not 100% realistic", notice the 100%... i am just saying we should lower the "real life" requirements for general irl building.

Or we should divide IRL in two, in one "artbot building" which describes what I am saying and the other "IRL" (In Real Life) which describe hardliner IRL which tries to get as close as real life designs as possible. The latter category includes replicas.

Pretty sure it will stop the endless arguing about the nature of IRL as well.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 06, 2014, 03:32:36 PM
maybe not completely split, but maybe people could specify the level of irl needed in the signups thread?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 06, 2014, 05:13:03 PM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 06, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
maybe not completely split, but maybe people could specify the level of irl needed in the signups thread?
people preety much do that already
some people say very close to irl
others do not
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 08, 2014, 04:40:55 AM
Or we should divide IRL in two, in one "artbot building" which describes what I am saying and the other "IRL" (In Real Life) which describe hardliner IRL which tries to get as close as real life designs as possible. The latter category includes replicas.

This is a fair idea. Should push the standards of IRL bots up higher as well rather than the current flurry of sub-DSL-S bots that flood IRL tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on June 08, 2014, 05:03:09 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed

Yes do it my flippers been feeling left out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 08, 2014, 10:13:13 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed

Yes do it my flippers been feeling left out.
then call it
NO SPIN FOR YOU!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on June 08, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed

Yes do it my flippers been feeling left out.
then call it
NO SPIN FOR YOU!

I would love to host it but I have my hands full with Undisputed and another tourney I plan on hosting
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on June 08, 2014, 10:52:55 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed
Well gee, I hope you like popups then.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 08, 2014, 11:03:07 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
A replica tournament!
...
Please? :heart_smiley:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RFS on June 09, 2014, 01:29:47 AM
Since I've got dsl2 working on this pc now anyone got any ideas for tournaments they'd like to see?
Tournament with spinning weapons outlawed

Yes do it my flippers been feeling left out.
then call it
NO SPIN FOR YOU!

Did you really have to go with a botched Seinfeld reference when there was a Bill O'Reilly "No Spin Zone" reference staring you right in the face?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 09, 2014, 02:01:22 AM
I think I've got a good idea for a DSL tournement once I sort out skinning the arenas and getting the recording software

DSL-S heavyweight
And this comes in 3 parts:

ENDURANCE
4 bots battle it out in the electric arena for 3 minutes, anything that gets knocked off (excluding wheels) will stay off for the other trial and the fight

TORQUE, SPEED AND PUSHING POWER
Staged on the clawtop arena, your bot will have to push off other bots to win, this requires speed and pushing power

DAMAGE
Now into the combat arena, where the damage capability will be tested

32 entries, 8 eliminated in each trial, leaving 16 in the arena

Thoughts/any way to improve it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 09, 2014, 03:43:11 AM
You can only have 16 entrants in your first tournament. And the parts staying off thing is a bit of a put-off for me with VS.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 10, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
Wanna start something new... I have a few ideas and you guys let me know what you think.

Official Robot Arena 2 League
DSL HW IRL will be ran very similar to the RA2 World cup except with maybe 2 matches against each in the group.

The Great Round Robin
DSL MW (or LW) Standard. It's all in the name. 16 bots each plays against each other once each, and the top 4 at the top of the standings move to the single elimination playoffs. (Maybe top 6 with the first two seeds earning a bye)

Back to the roots
Stock MW simple double elimination. Haven't played stock in a long time so running a stock tourney will definitely be interesting and tons of fun.

All three ideas are subject to change and weight classes, IRL or standard, and stuff like that can for sure change if I feel like there's more of an interest to something else.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 10, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
Back to the roots
Stock MW simple double elimination. Haven't played stock in a long time so running a stock tourney will definitely be interesting and tons of fun.

Stock anything is good with me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 10, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
More stock will go down a treat I think, but maybe not MW with Tusslers being MW.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: KOS on June 10, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
Gotta love dat stock :heart_smiley: , as Craaig said though, there have been alot of MW tournaments lately, so maybe not that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 10, 2014, 12:37:13 PM

The Great Round Robin
DSL MW (or LW) Standard. It's all in the name. 16 bots each plays against each other once each, and the top 4 at the top of the standings move to the single elimination playoffs. (Maybe top 6 with the first two seeds earning a bye)


I'd like to see this one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 10, 2014, 12:41:54 PM
How about a LW Stock Round Robin.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 10, 2014, 12:43:28 PM
Good luck if you want to do a round robin like that with 16 entries in 3 months - it's 120 matches for a 16-way round robin.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 10, 2014, 12:45:01 PM
Good luck if you want to do a round robin like that with 16 entries in 3 months - it's 120 matches for a 16-way round robin.
Don't underestimate me  ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 10, 2014, 12:47:35 PM
I'm not, that's just a lot of matches.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 10, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
True, maybe I should wait on that round robin idea until I become a Major League host after this next one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 10, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
True, maybe I should wait on that round robin idea until I become a Major League host after this next one.
How about stock IRL.
That would make it interesting, and I'd be able to compete.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 10, 2014, 05:58:02 PM
How about stock IRL.
What is even the point of this.
Why even use stock to build IRL when you have DSL full of so many more parts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 10, 2014, 06:02:31 PM
How about stock IRL.
What is even the point of this.
Why even use stock to build IRL when you have DSL full of so many more parts?
To make it more challenging.
Besides, If you try hard enough, you could make a pretty cool IRL bot in stock.
In fact, I'll actually go make one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 10, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
I like it but I don't think too many other people would...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 10, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
I like it but I don't think too many other people would...
It'd probably be more suited for poeple that aren't as good at stock, like me, or the new users that pop up every now and then.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 18, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
DP/600th reply:

Can someone provide me with some video recording software?
I'm thinking about doing a tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on June 18, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
Here's what I use:
http://www.bandicam.com/downloads/ing/ (http://www.bandicam.com/downloads/ing/)

Good luck.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 18, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
Here's what I use:
http://www.bandicam.com/downloads/ing/ (http://www.bandicam.com/downloads/ing/)

Good luck.
Thanks dude! :mrgreen:

How do I get this to work with Windows Media Player?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 18, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
What are you doing with media player?
You need to import your recorded files into Windows Movie Maker or such and edit them down (if you need to) then upload.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 19, 2014, 10:23:09 AM
Anybody know where I can get music from robot wars so I can play it during recorded matches
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 19, 2014, 10:40:06 AM
There's a compilation of it on youtube which has a download link for it all in the description.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 19, 2014, 11:16:06 AM
There's a compilation of it on youtube which has a download link for it all in the description.
Ok, could somebody provide me with the link?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 19, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
You could just search for it yourself...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 19, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
You could just search for it yourself...
I have, nothing comes up
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 19, 2014, 01:09:46 PM
Anybody know where I can get music from robot wars so I can play it during recorded matches
Download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd)
YouTube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 19, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Anybody know where I can get music from robot wars so I can play it during recorded matches
Download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd)
YouTube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo)
Thanks a lot!  :smile:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 19, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Anybody know where I can get music from robot wars so I can play it during recorded matches
Download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd (http://www.sendspace.com/file/54cbkd)
YouTube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSEJYnYQDo)
Thanks a lot!  :smile:
No problem.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 09:06:48 AM
Sooo... now that I've got some recording software and youtube, who fancies a dsl-s tournament:

Middleweight
16 entries
first two rounds will be on the tabletop arena, then the next two in the combat arena (Mixture of both speed and combat ability)
standard dsl-s rules,

thoughts/interested/ any improvements?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 23, 2014, 09:52:54 AM
Sooo... now that I've got some recording software and youtube, who fancies a dsl-s tournament:

Middleweight
16 entries
first two rounds will be on the tabletop arena, then the next two in the combat arena (Mixture of both speed and combat ability)
standard dsl-s rules,

thoughts/interested/ any improvements?

I like the idea, but it might work better as a stock tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 09:54:26 AM
Sooo... now that I've got some recording software and youtube, who fancies a dsl-s tournament:

Middleweight
16 entries
first two rounds will be on the tabletop arena, then the next two in the combat arena (Mixture of both speed and combat ability)
standard dsl-s rules,

thoughts/interested/ any improvements?

I like the idea, but it might work better as a stock tournament.
I think I'm going to do a stock and IRL version of this, who else likes it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Anyone? Anything you can see wrong with this? Anybody interested?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 23, 2014, 01:12:03 PM
Seeing as how I have the perfect bot for it, sure.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 01:17:59 PM
Seeing as how I have the perfect bot for it, sure.
what one?

IRL
Dsl-s
or stock?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 23, 2014, 01:27:59 PM
DSL-S
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 01:30:29 PM
DSL-S
Ok 1 vote for DSL - S version
0 votes for IRL version
And one vote for Stock version

Who else likes this tournament idea? if so what version?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 23, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
stock
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: KOS on June 23, 2014, 01:34:06 PM
I'd enter the stock one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 01:38:49 PM
3 for stock
1 for dsl - s
0 for IRL

right, going in favour of stock atm
anyone else?

BTW, I hope to start this tournament within this week, so I need as many votes as possible
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 23, 2014, 01:54:05 PM
There should be a stock SHW tournament... last time we had one it avorted.

Would be nice to see what people will build. Despite the winner being either a HS or a popup (we know how stock tournaments work now), it will be nice to open a new metagame competitively.

Also stock UHW, totally legit. It will probably burn four CPU's in the process of being filmed though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 23, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
There should be a stock SHW tournament

I would definitely enter this since my Stock SHW challenge with KOS never happened.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 23, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
How about a replica tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM
How about a replica tournament?
There's not really a point tbh IMO
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 23, 2014, 02:05:32 PM
How about a replica tournament?
There's not really a point tbh IMO
Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions, so here's mine:
1: It's something we haven't done in a while.
2: It's not about winning, but making the best replica.
3: NOSTALGIA!
I rest my case.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on June 23, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
Do it! I was thinking about running a replica tourney myself until I decided to do stock. I'll enter a replica tourney for sure.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on June 23, 2014, 02:07:07 PM
I might enter if you hosted one
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 23, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
I might enter if you hosted one
If I could get my recording software to work, and figure out some other stuff, I'll do it.
Just remember, I'm also a busy guy.
(Ok, we ALL are, though I'm not that cut out to run a tournament YET.)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 23, 2014, 05:04:51 PM
If it's about making the best replica why not make a Contest rather than Tournament?
That way everyone can vote for the best and that's that :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on June 23, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Personally I think it would be better if it played out like a regular tournament but you gave an award to the "most accurate" rep once it ended.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 23, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
If it's about making the best replica why not make a Contest rather than Tournament?
That way everyone can vote for the best and that's that :P
^
I Completly disagree
this should be done
but as an award
an actual tournament would be great
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 23, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
If you completely disagree, may I hear your reasons?
Replica tournaments have been run before but the winners are rarely fair because it basically comes down to whoever optimizes their bot best for ra2, which generally means being less faithful to the original.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 23, 2014, 07:55:22 PM
If you completely disagree, may I hear your reasons?
Replica tournaments have been run before but the winners are rarely fair because it basically comes down to whoever optimizes their bot best for ra2, which generally means being less faithful to the original.
which is why you set a quality limit
it doesnt matter as long as the replicas look good and can
to an extent
fight eachother
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 24, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 24, 2014, 10:10:54 AM
lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL
no ,
I mean high quality replicas
meaning people who build a replica to win the tournament and make a low quality replica because of it cant enter
for example
make a tornado(season 4) rep
make a red box but razors on the front
rejected
but a skin on it and make it look like the actual tornado over making it be effective
accepted
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Shield on June 24, 2014, 10:46:53 AM
lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL
no ,
I mean high quality replicas
meaning people who build a replica to win the tournament and make a low quality replica because of it cant enter
for example
make a tornado(season 4) rep
make a red box but razors on the front
rejected
but a skin on it and make it look like the actual tornado over making it be effective
accepted

expecting irl bots to be as competitive as dsl-s or stock is like trying to get it to rain naked ladies ain't happening in a long time bub.

IRL is meant to look aesthetically pleasing, though there are some bots out there who are fairly combat effective, they usually don't look as good as they should, and look like a plastic box with a dual perm with beta hammers on it. Tournaments for them are fine and dandy and all, but which bot is going to win, the bar spinner bot that barely passes irl or the flipper bot that looks like something straight out of Robot Wars?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 24, 2014, 11:04:23 AM
This is the thing, the last replica tournaments I recall (Replica Wars) were before IRL was even a thing - and since then people have been striving to push the limits on what they can get away with. It wouldn't be about making a decent replica. Even if you put checks on stuff, things like Shield described will still happen.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 24, 2014, 01:54:38 PM
This is the thing, the last replica tournaments I recall (Replica Wars) were before IRL was even a thing - and since then people have been striving to push the limits on what they can get away with. It wouldn't be about making a decent replica. Even if you put checks on stuff, things like Shield described will still happen.
What if everyone had to enter 2 replicas?
One for show and one for destruction.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 24, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
That defeats the point of the replica surely? Replicating means recreating exactly, not recreating but boosting some bits.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 24, 2014, 02:38:42 PM
That defeats the point of the replica surely? Replicating means recreating exactly, not recreating but boosting some bits.
The fighting part does help demonstrate the functionally of the replica however, replicas that are built just for show may not even function like the actually robot too. 
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 27, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
I really want to host a tournament, but I can't film anything.
Can someone help?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on June 27, 2014, 11:38:01 PM
I really want to host a tournament, but I can't film anything.
Can someone help?
i use microsoft expressions encoder
because its free version doesnt have a water mark like bandicam
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 28, 2014, 01:02:19 AM
I really want to host a tournament, but I can't film anything.
Can someone help?
i use microsoft expressions encoder
because its free version doesnt have a water mark like bandicam
What I meant was could someone film for me?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 01:07:37 AM
I really want to host a tournament, but I can't film anything.
Can someone help?
i use microsoft expressions encoder
because its free version doesnt have a water mark like bandicam
What I meant was could someone film for me?
I'll volunteer, the only problem is YouTube won't upload movie maker videos  :realmad(
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on June 28, 2014, 01:10:50 AM
I'll volunteer...
:dance:
...the only problem is YouTube won't upload movie maker videos  :realmad(
:FFFUUU
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 01:12:04 AM
I'll volunteer...
:dance:
...the only problem is YouTube won't upload movie maker videos  :realmad(
:FFFUUU
I could use bandicut, but then the only problem is I can't edit it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 28, 2014, 01:26:14 AM
I'll volunteer, the only problem is YouTube won't upload movie maker videos  :realmad(
Uh plenty of people here edit their videos in Windows Movie Maker, are you  not rendering your video or something?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on June 28, 2014, 01:39:10 AM
Youtube won't upload movie maker project files, if you save your movie as a wmv file or something it'll work fine.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 01:48:24 AM
Youtube won't upload movie maker project files, if you save your movie as a wmv file or something it'll work fine.
That's the thing, it won't allow me to save them as wmv, avi etc
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 28, 2014, 02:07:55 AM
Youtube won't upload movie maker project files, if you save your movie as a wmv file or something it'll work fine.
That's the thing, it won't allow me to save them as wmv, avi etc
(http://i.imgur.com/EMQ7q9O.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/CJiBuRp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/jYvrfYn.png)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 02:14:32 AM
I use windows 8 and it doesn't come up with that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 28, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
I use windows 8 and it doesn't come up with that
Just download movie maker 2.6
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34 (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 02:17:46 AM
I use windows 8 and it doesn't come up with that
Just download movie maker 2.6
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34 (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34)
Ok, thanks
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thyrus on June 28, 2014, 02:58:52 AM
god I hate movie maker.

I got 2 ideas I might pull off some day

1: Total Annihilation: Judgement Day
    (Stock SHW... for you nary :P)

2: Fullbodyeverything
    (A tourney where the chassis has to be a mainpart of the robots weapon)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on June 28, 2014, 03:05:30 AM
2: Fullbodyeverything
    (A tourney where the chassis has to be a mainpart of the robots weapon)
Sounds good
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on June 28, 2014, 07:38:35 AM
I have some good ideas but unfortunately i can't realize them.. and even if i could it would probably fail, like pretty much everything i'm trying to do here....

Law of the Strongest:

DSL-S HW tourney, flails and popups are banned, you can only win a match by KO, so point of the tourney is survival, as round advances, there will be more bots fighting, first 2 round will be 1vs1, 2 next would be 3-way and last 2 and finals would be 4-way, brackets for this may be quite akward and complicated, but i'm pretty sure it's doable
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 28, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
I have some good ideas but unfortunately i can't realize them.. and even if i could it would probably fail, like pretty much everything i'm trying to do here....

Law of the Strongest:

DSL-S HW tourney, flails and popups are banned, you can only win a match by KO, so point of the tourney is survival, as round advances, there will be more bots fighting, first 2 round will be 1vs1, 2 next would be 3-way and last 2 and finals would be 4-way, brackets for this may be quite akward and complicated, but i'm pretty sure it's doable

That looks like it would be an interesting tournament. I would certainly enter it.

Besides, you call yourself a manly warrior and yet you flee before a tournament ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on June 28, 2014, 02:54:13 PM
1: Total Annihilation: Judgement Day
    (Stock SHW... for you nary :P)

DO IT
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on June 28, 2014, 03:39:57 PM
I have some good ideas but unfortunately i can't realize them.. and even if i could it would probably fail, like pretty much everything i'm trying to do here....

Law of the Strongest:

DSL-S HW tourney, flails and popups are banned, you can only win a match by KO, so point of the tourney is survival, as round advances, there will be more bots fighting, first 2 round will be 1vs1, 2 next would be 3-way and last 2 and finals would be 4-way, brackets for this may be quite akward and complicated, but i'm pretty sure it's doable

That looks like it would be an interesting tournament. I would certainly enter it.

Besides, you call yourself a manly warrior and yet you flee before a tournament ?

i was talikng about hosting a tourney, for sure i would enter this if it would be done
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RFS on July 10, 2014, 01:04:49 AM
Has anyone tried to do anything with hovering robots, or is the hoverpad component too unpredictable/slow to do anything with?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on July 10, 2014, 01:07:08 AM
Yoda did a hover tourney a while back, went down pretty well. Forgot who won.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RFS on July 10, 2014, 01:09:59 AM
I'd be up for one of those, or potentially an artillery tournament of some sort.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 10, 2014, 04:02:52 AM
Has anyone tried to do anything with hovering robots, or is the hoverpad component too unpredictable/slow to do anything with?

lol aerodactyl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on July 10, 2014, 04:28:37 AM
Yoda did a hover tourney a while back, went down pretty well. Forgot who won.
nicsan won it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Kossokei on July 10, 2014, 04:41:14 AM
Yoda did a hover tourney a while back, went down pretty well. Forgot who won.
t'was Nicsan I believe

edit: curse you 09
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 10, 2014, 07:17:21 AM
Yoda did a hover tourney a while back, went down pretty well. Forgot who won.
That would be me  ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RFS on July 10, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
Has anyone tried to do anything with hovering robots, or is the hoverpad component too unpredictable/slow to do anything with?

lol aerodactyl

I have this horrible affliction where anytime someone names a Gen 1 Pokemon I will hear the rest of the Pokerap from that moment forward.

For example, the next Pokemon in line is Omanyte.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 10, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
Okay, Kurt's gonna do a new tourneyament for you guys, I think it might;ve been done before but I can't remember. Here's the basic gist of it.

WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU...

DSL - Probably IRL again.
Weightclass - LW, MW, CW, and HW.

- 16 entrants in a Single Elimination bracket.
- Each entrant must send a four-strong team of robots that are pretty much the same. In Round One the Lightweights will get used, then in Round Two the Middleweights will get used, Round Three is Cruiserweights, and the Final is Heavyweights.
- Given that it's based around "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." it would make sense that way.

- Each robot must start of as a LW then slowly evolve at each weightclass it increases to.
- They must all look and function the same way, no adding a flywheel to the Cruiserweight version of a flipper robot.

Questions?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on July 10, 2014, 04:04:35 PM
Sounds delicious. I'll definitely enter.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 10, 2014, 04:14:06 PM
Sounds like a cool idea. Although there are a few questions I have for you:


1. Do the names of these bots have to stay the same or can they have names in a style like how Pokemon evolve? Like Bulbasaur -> Ivysaur -> Venusaur and others.
2. Can these bots have different weapons as long as they stay to the original design? Like a LW bar weapon then a MW Tribar weapon etc.
3. Can these bots have an additional amount of the same weapons as they evolve? Like a CW with one flipper then a HW with two flippers?


Also, I'm not too sure about my theory, but this sounds a bit like that stock EvoBots tourney held a while back. I'll probably enter.

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on July 10, 2014, 04:17:44 PM
Does it really have to be IRL? You've hosted THREE IRL tournies in a row this year.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Enigm@ on July 10, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
Dsl-s pls
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 10, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
1. Do the names of these bots have to stay the same or can they have names in a style like how Pokemon evolve? Like Bulbasaur -> Ivysaur -> Venusaur and others.
I dunno yet, maybe yes maybe no.

2. Can these bots have different weapons as long as they stay to the original design? Like a LW bar weapon then a MW Tribar weapon etc.
Yes, but I will be checking each to make sure they don't stray too far away from the previous robot.

3. Can these bots have an additional amount of the same weapons as they evolve? Like a CW with one flipper then a HW with two flippers?
Yep.
flibble
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 10, 2014, 04:26:57 PM
ill enter please dont make it dsl-s they take forever to fill and imo are'nt as fun to build
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Enigm@ on July 10, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
ill enter please dont make it dsl-s they take forever to fill and imo are'nt as fun to build
dont listen to this philistine
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 10, 2014, 04:40:48 PM
ill enter please dont make it dsl-s they take forever to fill and imo are'nt as fun to build
dont listen to this philistine
hmm actual racism cant be surprised, i said in my opinion
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 10, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
ill enter please dont make it dsl-s they take forever to fill and imo are'nt as fun to build
dont listen to this philistine
What the hell makes you think I would listen to him?




I might do this one later. I want to keep this one IRL because it's easier to make a team of bots and compare other people's and I don't like DSL-S I'd prefer it that way.

DSL-S tourney will come soon, dunno if I will put in something to make it interesting or if I'll just go for a boring bracket system.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on July 10, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
I've got team shark raring for this ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 10, 2014, 05:03:57 PM
im gonna build new bots (what an irl builder who makes new bots?!)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on July 11, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
Here is yet another idea, feel free to make a tourney out of that, i can't make them myself anyway, for one simple reason, i can't use Fraps due to not having the admin password, here now you know why all the tourneys i tried have failed, i tried with Camstudio, but the result is terribly glitched, anyway here s'the idea:

Artemis Robot Championship

DSL-S with 4 weightclasses: LW,MW,HW and SHW, no flails or popups, single elimination, havok restarts, fights are in the Battlebox, walkers have a 400kg bonus, but only if those 400kg are spend in the walking system, infinite entries until deadline is reached, there, feel free to take this, and all my other ideas for your own tourneys
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on July 11, 2014, 03:28:32 PM
Here is yet another idea, feel free to make a tourney out of that, i can't make them myself anyway, for one simple reason, i can't use Fraps due to not having the admin password, here now you know why all the tourneys i tried have failed, i tried with Camstudio, but the result is terribly glitched, anyway here s'the idea:

Artemis Robot Championship

DSL-S with 4 weightclasses: LW,MW,HW and SHW, no flails or popups, single elimination, havok restarts, fights are in the Battlebox, walkers have a 400kg bonus, but only if those 400kg are spend in the walking system, infinite entries until deadline is reached, there, feel free to take this, and all my other ideas for your own tourneys
So basically BattleBots but not IRL  :dumb)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on July 11, 2014, 03:33:13 PM
yep, that was the point
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
After I'm finished with TGRR 2 I want to start something really big and popular around here so I present to you guys the idea of the Official Robot Arena 2 2014 Championships. It'll take place yearly in the Summer (because that's when everyone has more time) and have entries at all of the main weightclasses of the main game modes. The format is a simple single elimination and since this is the first year it'll be running it'll have a max of 16 at each level. To give you guys a simple idea this is all the weightclasses and modes. Stock LW, MW, HW, DSL Standard LW, MW, HW, and DSL IRL LW, MW, and HW. Once again this is only the first year and I wanna keep it simple so no Ironforge or sub weight classes like SHW. BW, etc. Keep in mind however that these implements will take place in the future as it grows and becomes more popular. The intention of this is to crown a king of each weight class of each of the main game modes. Hopefully you guys like this idea and I'll be sure to start it as soon as TGRR2 is finished with thank you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 19, 2014, 12:31:48 PM
Seems fun, but I think it could use a better name.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 12:33:26 PM
Any ideas?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: I Like Tacos on July 19, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
RA2014 :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
I just want the name to be like something simple but great like the event itself lol.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on July 19, 2014, 01:45:32 PM
since its some big tourney, irl will probably be a tryhard fest. you should drop irl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
IRL is too popular of a game mode to be dropped, it will be restricted heavily to avoid that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 19, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
The tournament idea sounds good to me. Can't think of any names (you could just call it RA2 Annual Summer Championships or something, even though it is a bit lengthy.) I think it would be great for the first Mega Host to do it too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 19, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Winner Takes All?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 04:35:42 PM
Yep simple single elimination and thanks yug1tom I think gtm needs another big name tournament like BBEANS it'll be a lot of fun with some competition.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 19, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
Interesting, I'd be up for 2/3 tournaments you're planning on nicsan.

Names? How about "RA2 Mega Tournaments"?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 19, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
Yep simple single elimination
Oops, I was actually just suggesting a name
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: nicsan2009 on July 19, 2014, 05:11:48 PM
Yep simple single elimination
Oops, I was actually just suggesting a name
Wow now I feel dumb haha thanks for all the suggestions though you guys.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 19, 2014, 11:51:39 PM
R.E.V. (add number annually)
robots executing violence
 :dance:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 24, 2014, 09:30:46 AM
I would like to make a interest check for the next Mutations tournament.

I was thinking DSL SHW triple hybrid, but maybe you guys want some different style of hybrid ?

I also intend to go from DSL SHW to LW, nothing lower cuz it's pointless. Maybe we should branch off into Stock as well.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 24, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
No.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
I would like to make a interest check for the next Mutations tournament.

I was thinking DSL SHW triple hybrid, but maybe you guys want some different style of hybrid ?

I also intend to go from DSL SHW to LW, nothing lower cuz it's pointless. Maybe we should branch off into Stock as well.

Make it Stock.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: KOS on July 24, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Make it Stock.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on July 24, 2014, 10:02:20 AM
Make it Stock.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NeighImACarrot on July 24, 2014, 10:06:56 AM
Make it Stock.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 24, 2014, 10:07:59 AM
I think stock would be a cool idea, but I'm not sure if I can make a triple hybrid though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on July 24, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
Nobody's going to enter if you make it triple hybrid.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 24, 2014, 11:01:37 AM
Nobody's going to enter if you make it triple hybrid.

really because i remember people building triple hybrid SHW's for the original mutations... at least two or three.

And I certainly will not make a triple hybrid tournament anything less than HW, because it's pointless.

Apparently people want to have a stock hybrid tournament, well alright.

We'll have to see the weightclass though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 24, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
Nobody's going to enter if you make it triple hybrid.

really because i remember people building triple hybrid SHW's for the original mutations... at least two or three.

And I certainly will not make a triple hybrid tournament anything less than HW, because it's pointless.

Apparently people want to have a stock hybrid tournament, well alright.

We'll have to see the weightclass though.


Middleweight or Crusierweight.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 24, 2014, 11:25:28 AM
antweight
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 24, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
antweight
Shut up.

Just keep it double hybrid.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on July 24, 2014, 01:38:27 PM
do ironforge
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on July 25, 2014, 04:45:37 PM
So I have a few ideas (all for after TLOS:SE)

The last one standing, The Real thing!: IRL version of the last one standing
The last one standing, DSL-S edition : DSL-S version of TLOS
The dwarven iron forges: IRL iron forge, you are only allowed to build an axe or a hammer robot. 32 entries all in the bbeans v.2 arena
The dwarven iron forges; Take arms: same thing, but in stock
The dwarven iron forges; more than standard: same thing but in DSL-S

Like em?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 25, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
So I have a few ideas (all for after TLOS:SE)

The last one standing, The Real thing!: IRL version of the last one standing
The last one standing, DSL-S edition : DSL-S version of TLOS
The dwarven iron forges: IRL iron forge, you are only allowed to build an axe or a hammer robot. 32 entries all in the bbeans v.2 arena
The dwarven iron forges; Take arms: same thing, but in stock
The dwarven iron forges; more than standard: same thing but in DSL-S

Like em?

I don't think that the Dwarven Ironforge ideas would get you many entries considering the weapon type you're supposed to use for it.

Other those ones I think those will do for me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 25, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
irl last one standing please
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on July 25, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
DSL-S last one standing or bust.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 25, 2014, 05:59:37 PM
irl one first then dsl-s
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on July 25, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
I like the IRL Ironforge one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on July 27, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
I like the IRL Ironforge one.
Me too. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on July 27, 2014, 05:02:31 PM
So my plans are to host the remaining T.L.O.S's then go on to the ironforge ones, sound good?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 29, 2014, 02:35:53 PM
So my plans are to host the remaining T.L.O.S's then go on to the ironforge ones, sound good?
Yeah, That works.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyway, I have a few ideas in mind for my next tournament once I finish Beetle Bashers 2. They still need a bit more thought into it, but I'll explain the general idea. I may do all three at some point, but you get to decide which one I should do first.

More Razors: The Tournament:(Name WIP)

Basically, It'll be a DSL-S MW (or some other weightclass) Tournament where the only weapons you are allowed to use is razors, lots of razors, and you can't use anything else, not even for weapon setup. (Even though a heavy amount of bots use a lot of razors regardless) There will be a minimum to the amount of razors that must be used on the bot to make it more challenging.

Ant Annihilators:

This is supposed to be the spin-off to Beetle Bashers (Sort of). Anyone remember Thyrus's tournament Total Annihilation? It's kinda like that, except in this, only IRL antweights will be allowed. Where four bots will fight in a rumble and the first one to be eliminated in the fight will be eliminated and then 3 will fight and so on and so forth until 1 bot remains to move on. I was thinking that I could have 3 bye bots ready, but I'm still thinking about the maximum number of entries.

Trios of Terror:

Out of all the tournament ideas I had in mind, this is probably the one I want to host the most. In this one, I was thinking that this would be a stock LW tournament where the lightweights were to represent a trio of some sort. The trio can be a reference to a game, phrase, TV show, book, Hell anything that's represented in a pair of three. I'll even let you make up your own but at least try to be creative. Examples: Rock Paper and Scissors, or Stop Drop and Roll. However the bot types must be different, so you can't send in three popups and call that your team.

The battle format was going to be a best two out of three where each bot form each person would fight and whoever gets two battle wins advances. I was also thinking of that members would send me a PM to choose which bot would fight in a fashionable order.

So what do you think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 29, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Trios of Terror sounds fun. I guess it's Brobots but with three bots each instead of two.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 29, 2014, 02:56:59 PM
For the second idea (if you end up doing it), I think you should use Wham's AW version of the Official RA2 Tournament Arena. Just a suggestion. I like the second one the most but that's just because I really like the ant and beetle weight classes.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on July 29, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Trios of Terror sounds fun, but I don't know if I'd be entering if it's Stock LW.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on July 29, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
Trios Of Terror reminds me of Tag Team Trios, good to see I'm getting along swiftly with that. :dumb)

So is this the battle format for TOT?
My Bot 1 VS Your Bot 1
My Bot 2 VS Your Bot 2
My Bot 3 VS Your Bot 3
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 29, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
For the second idea (if you end up doing it), I think you should use Wham's AW version of the Official RA2 Tournament Arena.
I was thinking of using that arena. I just want to know If Wham would be cool with me using it.


So is this the battle format for TOT?
My Bot 1 VS Your Bot 1
My Bot 2 VS Your Bot 2
My Bot 3 VS Your Bot 3
Pretty much, but you choose what order they go in. Kinda like Minor Inconveniences in a way.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RpJk on July 29, 2014, 04:06:37 PM
Go for your third idea. Sounds the most interesting.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on August 12, 2014, 01:33:01 PM
Once again, I got a few tournament ideas that I would like to host after I complete Trios of Terror, along with the other two ideas I had earlier. I would like some feedback on all the ideas I had in mind and some receive some improvement ideas in case you don't like them. Once again, I'll explain the general idea of them so you know what I have in mind.

Dynamic Duos


Anyone familiar with those superheroes and their trusty sidekick in comic books, It's kinda like that. The idea is similar to my current tournament, Trios of Terror, only this time, they represent a superhero and a sidekick, or you can have something else that comes in a pair, like Mario and Luigi, or Batman and Robin. It will be a DSL-S tournament with this twist: The hero and sidekick would be in a different weightclass with the hero a bigger weightclass than the sidekick, something like Hero would be MW and Sidekick would be LW or something like that. Battle format is gonna be 2 v 2 with both the hero and the sidekick fighting in the arena. The actual weightclass is where I'm stuck at, because I can't really decide what weightclass would best suit this tournament.

Colossus Coliseum:

Nothing too special with this one, but I would like to note this will be two tournaments, for the price of one. In this one, I was thinking that it would be a SHW tournament having both DSL-S and IRL styles to satisfy both crowds. You don't have enter both versions, but when sending, I would like you to specify which bots are which, If I decide to host this one. It'll be a simple 1 v 1 tournament and multibots will be allowed.

Along with the other two tournaments I had in mind, those are my choices I had in mind.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on August 12, 2014, 01:44:53 PM
With Dynamic Duos you don't really want weightclasses too far apart (eg HW/LW) because the LW just becomes useless. I used MW/LW for RIP3 (which was a similar concept, themed duos) and that worked pretty well. You get obvious differences between the 2 but the LWs are still effective. I'd imagine MW/CW or CW/HW would also work fairly well.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 27, 2014, 04:00:26 AM
eh wat i dont get it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: AlexGRFan97 on August 27, 2014, 04:23:50 AM
So let me get this straight. You want to make a tournament that:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on August 27, 2014, 05:42:06 AM
Posts deleted, rubbish idea anyways.
Hows about 15 man tournament with 2 bots entered per builder.
These builders will either pair up themselves with 2 others or if they cannot find anyone will be paired up randomly. These teams will decide what bots to pair up out of their 6 for their opponent. The way the teams will fight is 2 match round robin.DSL HW IRL, Judge Burst allowed to a max of 2.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on August 27, 2014, 05:50:47 AM
As someone who's tried many, many confusing ideas in the past. I'd say remove having people actually choose anything. You end up with people not responding and the whole thing gets awkward.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on August 28, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
so normally the next mutations will be stock HW hybrid. maybe i will give triple hybrids a 50kg weight cushion.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: KOS on August 28, 2014, 06:00:18 PM
yay stock
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on August 28, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
I guess I can give it a whack since I missed the last one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on August 28, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
I will not let it wait a few millenia like this one, I promise :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Wacky Bob on August 28, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
I'm so in.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on August 28, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
I'm pretty much entering any stock tourney as long as it's not cheatbot2 or something. :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on September 05, 2014, 07:18:08 PM
I know I'm full of tournament ideas, but this is the last one I had in mind and I would like to know If everyone will be alright with this one.

RA2 Twitch Tournament: (Name WIP, If you could come up with any better names, that would be great. Thanks.)

Okay, I was thinking that I would make a Stock and a DSL-S MW tournament where there's nothing really complicated with this one. I was thinking there would also be 128 max limit and each entrant could send up to 8 bots for both tournaments. I was also thinking that these matches would go live on my (possible) upcoming twitch account with commentary and I wanted to to find a time that everyone can get along with. I was planning to first host a display tournament to have people understand how this works and have a taste of what may come. If I really wanted to, I could also try to have some GTM members commentate with me via Skype, once I'm all set and everyone is fine with that.

I really don't know If you want this to be an actual tournament, but if it does be one, this won't come until at a very later date.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Resetti's Replicas on September 05, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
Have you got a decent following from screening exhibition matches?  That would be a good way to test how well the tournament will work.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on September 06, 2014, 07:07:36 AM
building in RA2 with twitch ? absolutely nothing can go wrong ! let's do it !
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on September 08, 2014, 07:06:51 AM
Thats a brilliant idea, but how many people will watch?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: System32 on September 08, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Didn't I try that and crash instantly?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 19, 2014, 03:21:17 PM
After Scrapheap Challenge is finished I'm going to try to make a tournament which is based around Fifteen To One. If you know the premise of the show it will be easier to explain.
Video of an old episode for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C37ygHyJJ7Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C37ygHyJJ7Q)



Real Fifteen To One has 15 contestants, in Round One they are each asked two questions, if they get one wrong they lose one of their three lives, if they get both wrong they are eliminated from the game.
In Round Two the remaining contestants nominate their opponents to take questions, and to try to eliminate them from the game. If they get a question wrong they lose a life, if they get a question right they then get to nominate who takes the next question. This repeats until all but three contestants lose all their lives.
The remaining three move onto the final, and have their lives refilled to three. In the final each question is worth 10 points, and they are competing to get the most points for themselves. They can either take a question for themselves or nominate another contestand and try to eliminate them. Winner is the last one standing or whoever has the most points after 40 questions.

Robot Fifteen To One will have fifteen robots in each heat/episode. In Round One each robot will battle two robots made by me, to represent the two questions. Lose a fight and you lose a life.
Round Two would be much the same except you fight each other. (Example: Helloface nominates RedAce and their robots fight, RedAce wins, Helloface loses a life, and RedAce now nominates.) Fights happen until three are left.
The final would be similar again, taking a question would be fighting one of mine, nominating would be fighting whoever you nominated.
The Grand Final would have the same premise as a regular heat/episode, but would only contain winners/high scorers/finalists.



I would not be competing, but I will be supplying 20 or so robots for questions, and there would be unlimited entries, I need a LOT of entries. Depending on how many entries I get I will change the qualifying rules for the Grand Final accordingly.
DSL MW, unsure whether to make it DSL-S or IRL.

Edit: I would be using the art style and music from the 2014 remake for the splashes and videos.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/70573Splash.png)



Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on October 19, 2014, 03:29:37 PM
sounds like a good idea
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on October 19, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
I'll be down for this, even if you haven't used me as an example.

I'd be okay with either DSL-S or IRL.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 20, 2014, 04:53:13 PM
Discussion thread for Fifteen To One has been submitted.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on October 28, 2014, 07:14:43 PM
Okay, another idea popped in my head, so I guess I'll explain it to see what you think.

Robot Arena X: (Name WIP)

This tournament is supposed to be based off of Mega Man X, one game I absolutely love. The tournament itself will be a Stock MW 16-bot tournament. Here's the catch, I will have 8 Mavericks that will determine who goes to the eliminators, so I technically won't enter. Once you submit your entry, you can send the order of the Mavericks you wish to fight. Kind of like Trios of Terror except you send the entire order in one PM. In order to advance to the Eliminators, you need to survive the longest or beat them in the fastest time. The Mavericks will be one step ahead and will be upgraded between rounds, given an extra 50kg weight bonus on the bot type itself to gradually increase the difficulty. For example, If you choose the 400kg Popup bot first, the Hammer bot will get a boost in offenses or defenses using the 50kg weight bonus and it goes on until you face off against every Maverick. Once the Maverick round is done, the Eliminator rounds will take place and it will be straight forward from there with a double elimination 8-bot bracket to determine the champion.

Any questions?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on October 28, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
As long as you don't put Shadow the Hedgehog music over the matches again I'm game
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on October 28, 2014, 07:47:49 PM
As long as you don't put Shadow the Hedgehog music over the matches again I'm game
Alright then, deal. I don't know why I used that awful soundtrack anyway. I was thinking of putting the music from MMX into the matches, but what music would you prefer in the matches?

Edit: Changed my mind a bit here. Instead of making one 50kg boost for every round, I was instead thinking that every two rounds, the Mavericks get a 100kg boost to save some time. Should I do this though?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natster-104 on November 02, 2014, 12:49:58 PM
Maybe we could have a beyblade-styled tournament, as stated in chatbox
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on November 28, 2014, 01:26:42 PM
if only that would be possible, i made one with the NAR AI thrusters and a caster acting as the tip a while ago, but the problem is, how to AI that ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on January 07, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
I have two more ideas in mind, (I promise, I'll stop soon.)

HOLY FLYING LOLLIPOPS: (Name WIP)

Basically, It's a Stock HW tournament that may have 8 or 16 entrants depending on interest. However, the only bot type allowed for it would be Trinity Flyers like that battle between Scrap, Pwn, R0B0, and Sage had about 3 years ago (a.k.a. the greatest thing to ever happen). I'll find a special arena for these bots.

Attack of the Almost Never-Used Axes: (Name WIP)

This tournament would be a basic Stock MW tournament, but the only weapon your bots can use are battle axes. That's about it. I know that helloface is already doing something like this, but the rules will work out a few kinks for it to make stick out.


Those are two ideas I've had, I would like to know If you think they sound fun or just flat out stupid.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on January 08, 2015, 04:24:52 AM
a trinity flyer only tournament yes yes yes yes yes

also Combat Arena should work. Or the DSL Drum of Death if you are sadistic.

Maybe mod the drum of death so the fan blows bots down ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on January 08, 2015, 08:23:21 PM
I would definitely enter the axe one and probably enter the trinity one.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on January 10, 2015, 12:39:11 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on January 10, 2015, 01:08:27 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.

You shouldn't host any more tournaments.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on January 10, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.

You shouldn't host any more tournaments.

Nice quality post, Andrew. Anything more intelligent you want to share ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on January 10, 2015, 02:19:36 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.

You shouldn't host any more tournaments.

Nice quality post, Andrew. Anything more intelligent you want to share ?

It was a serious post. He put off his last tournament to the absolute last minute because he had lost interest.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NeighImACarrot on January 10, 2015, 02:54:22 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.

You shouldn't host any more tournaments.


Nice quality post, Andrew. Anything more intelligent you want to share ?

It was a serious post. He put off his last tournament to the absolute last minute because he had lost interest.
I agree with Andy here he did just abandon it, he didnt abandon it as long as KOS has but still
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on January 10, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
Debating on whether or not I should host another HW IRL tournament in one of I Like Tacos' arenas, with a side of a sportsman type weight class. Maybe even a beyblade type thing could be funny. I should have the time to finish now that I'm a major league host and I could put more effort into it.

You shouldn't host any more tournaments.

Nice quality post, Andrew. Anything more intelligent you want to share ?

It was a serious post. He put off his last tournament to the absolute last minute because he had lost interest.
I lost instrest because...
1. I don't even like stock, I just did it for the people that bitch about no stock tournaments

2. Nobody really cared much about it

3. I have a life

Besides, I finished the tournament anyways. A lot of people can't even do that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: P3PSl on January 18, 2015, 10:19:46 PM
are we allowed to use dsl 3.0 beta for our tournaments?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on January 18, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
are we allowed to use dsl 3.0 beta for our tournaments?
Why wouldn't you be able to?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on January 19, 2015, 07:20:46 AM
I was thinking about making a BBEANS for Ironforge as a large tournament to kick of ironforge and its tournaments, because i cannot remember too many.
Also craaaaaig pls move first strike to completed and give mai host point k thanks bye.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on January 19, 2015, 09:25:12 AM
Also craaaaaig pls move first strike to completed and give mai host point k thanks bye.

I'll do it when I have time k thanks bye
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on June 03, 2015, 03:55:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDIufwRWDA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDIufwRWDA#)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on June 03, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
oh boy
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: MassimoV on June 05, 2015, 12:25:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDIufwRWDA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDIufwRWDA#)
Average Welsh accent
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on June 05, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
I don't have a Welsh accent normally :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 14, 2015, 08:16:16 AM
Any sorts of tournaments people would like to see in future? Contemplating running something over the next month or so.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 14, 2015, 09:06:59 AM
Any sorts of tournaments people would like to see in future? Contemplating running something over the next month or so.
AWS - style tournament?
Ironforge unrealistic?
GTM's best blast beats?

I plan to run a tournament, not sure what sort.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on June 14, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Ironforge Battlebots. I dont even care. Just do it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 14, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
So, any interest for Not Quite Chinese Whisper Replica Wars?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on June 14, 2015, 02:33:44 PM
What.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on June 14, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
So, any interest for Not Quite Chinese Whisper Replica Wars?
Another Chinese Whispers would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on June 14, 2015, 04:44:24 PM
So, any interest for Not Quite Chinese Whisper Replica Wars?
Are you making a combination for it? Go right ahead.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 14, 2015, 04:55:59 PM
It was always my grand plan to combine them. I shall make a discussion thread in the next few days.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on June 14, 2015, 08:05:49 PM
if you make another chinese whispers ill so enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 14, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
if you make another chinese whispers ill so enter
this
i promise i won't f*** the bot up this time too guys.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on June 15, 2015, 04:38:01 AM
same
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on June 25, 2015, 01:16:40 AM
Yeah that looked really cool, you could even do it in Ironforge if you want.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on July 20, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
I have a few ideas and I'm gonna run one. Any preference?

1) The most serious one, RIP5. Basically RIP4 again, but maybe MW instead of HW.
2) Funny meme tournament idea 1 - every bot can only use car steering for drive - probably DSL.
3) Funny meme tournament idea 2 - Chassis Lottery. Everyone enters a chassis, everyone has to use whatever chassis gets drawn randomly.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 20, 2015, 12:17:58 PM
Chassis lottery sounds fun, but I feel people are just going to make ridiculously impractical chassis.
Car steering sounds fun.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 20, 2015, 12:28:22 PM
Combine Funny Meme tournaments 1 & 2. It'll be hilarious.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 20, 2015, 12:30:29 PM
Nah. Car steering tournament.

Of course a HS/shell spinner will win due to gut rippers being completely useless in this meta, but well.

funny meme tournament idea 2 seems like people will enter completely useless chassis, and people will start with unfair advantages or disadvantages unless everyone enters a troll chassis (but that won't happen). Sure it's a joke tournament but still it is bullsh**.

Car steering tournament means everyone is equally crippled, so just ban crawlers.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 20, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
Combine Funny Meme tournaments 1 & 2. It'll be hilarious.
I second this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on July 20, 2015, 12:33:46 PM
I'd make everyone use the same chassis btw to eliminate unfair starts
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 20, 2015, 12:37:01 PM
I'd make everyone use the same chassis btw to eliminate unfair starts

that would be better. also maybe remove steel 10 and equal nonsense when people are building MW and they start with a 200kg chassis.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 20, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
Car Steering all the way. Would give me lots of motivation to experiment with different designs.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on July 29, 2015, 05:54:32 PM
Okay, so here's an idea what I just had:

Everyone would enter a LW and a HW.  For example, let's say that me and Pizzaguy2020 enter.
My HW would fight his LW, and however long the match took would be recorded.  Then his HW would fight my LW, and again the time would be recorded.  Whoever KOs the LW faster would win the round.  In case of a tie, the LWs would fight each other, and the winner of that match would move on.

Anyone think this sounds interesting?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on July 29, 2015, 06:01:02 PM
if the entire goal is to survive as the LW, wouldn't everyone just coat the thing in casters and make it an indestructible brick?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on July 29, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
if the entire goal is to survive as the LW, wouldn't everyone just coat the thing in casters and make it an indestructible brick?

Yeah, that's why the tiebreaker would be LW fight.  There'd be an advantage (maybe) to having some sort of weapon on there.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: G.K. on July 29, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
I reckon a tie is unlikely though - as long as the LW's could be KO'd, different HW's would finish them off at slightly different times. My worry is that a tournament of near-indestructable bricks being slowly killed will not be exciting for people, least of all you, and a tourney is so much more rewarding for the host if it's fun. I've had a blast doing BTTB V, for example.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on July 30, 2015, 03:28:13 AM
yea no, everyone will caster armor lightweights and it'll end up being boring
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on July 30, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
Good points.  Nevermind that, then.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on July 31, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
Good points.  Nevermind that, then.
I mean if an irl rule was attached it could be good but without that it would be awful
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on September 11, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
Okay, for those who do want me to host another tournament, should I continue Hometown Showdown with any kinks ironed out (Pun intended), or should I do one of these possible tournament ideas below?

Trios of Terror II - Same as the first one, but with some simplified rules and a different weight class.

Singles and Doubles (Name WIP) -  Pretty much a standard tournament with both a 1-on-1 and a 2-on-2 tournament. I can't think of any twist that wouldn't turn you away from this

Throwback Throwdown - A DSL tournament that goes focuses on rules where you prety much had to make bots inspired by BBEANS2, the very first DSL AI tournament.

Again, these are just ideas that I may scrap if you don't care much for them.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on September 11, 2015, 04:42:24 PM
Throwback Throwdown would be a nice thing to do imo
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on September 11, 2015, 06:10:44 PM
I like singles and double most but would enter any if they where irl
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on September 11, 2015, 11:36:42 PM
this is probably predictable, but
STOCK
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on September 16, 2015, 10:20:13 AM
Would anyone be interested in a Scrapheap Challenge (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=16910.0) in Stock or Ironforge?  Or would that be stepping on Kurt's toes too much?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on September 16, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
I'd ask Kurt if he has any plans to do any more Scrapheap Challenge tournaments and go from there.

I'd probably be interested though.

Also people send in your stuff for Pot Luck 2. Please.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on September 16, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
Would anyone be interested in a Scrapheap Challenge (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=16910.0) in Stock or Ironforge?  Or would that be stepping on Kurt's toes too much?
Stock LW would probably work best if someone is doing a Stock version at some point.  Even you dude.  Ironforge may be harder since it has fewer components to work with.

I did like the first Scrapheap Challenge, so as long as Kurt doesn't mind, go ahead.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on September 16, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
I was planning on doing another one of them actually.

Wouldn't make it Stock because of the lack of components, and I've not played around enough with Ironforge to know if it would be any good.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: helloface on September 16, 2015, 06:28:29 PM
I'd ask Kurt if he has any plans to do any more Scrapheap Challenge tournaments and go from there.

I'd probably be interested though.

Also people send in your stuff for Pot Luck 2. Please.
I, as usual, am waiting until the very last moment to send in my entry in case I think of anything better.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on September 17, 2015, 08:40:24 AM
I was planning on doing another one of them actually.

Alright, I'll leave it to you, then.  Really, the only reason I brought it up was because the name "Trashpile Trial" popped into my head the other day, and I thought it'd be a fun name for a knockoff of Scrapheap Challenge.

I think Ironforge could be fun to do, with all the different variations of available parts (especially the weapons).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on October 02, 2015, 10:05:58 AM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on October 03, 2015, 01:02:46 AM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on October 03, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
the problem is if you are working in stock on irl why wouldn't you be in dsl working on irl since it just has more parts.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on October 03, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
I don't like IRL-style building, so probably not gonna be hosting an IRL tournament.  Thanks for the suggestion though.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on October 05, 2015, 08:59:30 PM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
the problem is if you are working in stock on irl why wouldn't you be in dsl working on irl since it just has more parts.
Because nobody has done it before, and it requires more creativity. Think of it as the main challenge of the tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Lightning S. on October 05, 2015, 09:53:44 PM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
the problem is if you are working in stock on irl why wouldn't you be in dsl working on irl since it just has more parts.
Because nobody has done it before, and it requires more creativity. Think of it as the main challenge of the tourney.
sorry but it's been done, albeit not for a little while (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=9496.0)

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on October 06, 2015, 12:33:54 AM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
the problem is if you are working in stock on irl why wouldn't you be in dsl working on irl since it just has more parts.
Because nobody has done it before, and it requires more creativity. Think of it as the main challenge of the tourney.
sorry but it's been done, albeit not for a little while (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=9496.0)


Would this be a bad time to bring up Strict BB SHW? I know it was cancelled, but...

...well, why?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Lightning S. on October 06, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
Alright, since people seem to not be into the wacky gimmick ideas, but I'd like to host something, I'll go with a boring regular double elimination kinda deal.  I was thinking about LW Stock or Ironforge, since I haven't seen those floating around recently.  Any opinions?

What about...

...stock IRL.

I know, it sounds dumb, but I've made some pretty good looking ones. I'm pretty sure the more talented builders could do the same.
the problem is if you are working in stock on irl why wouldn't you be in dsl working on irl since it just has more parts.
Because nobody has done it before, and it requires more creativity. Think of it as the main challenge of the tourney.
sorry but it's been done, albeit not for a little while (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=9496.0)


Would this be a bad time to bring up Strict BB SHW? I know it was cancelled, but...

...well, why?
looking back, i feel like the concept and especially execution of the idea was pretty pathetic. i don't have any inspiration to make any more replicas anyway

any comments on my tournament idea, anyone?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on October 07, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
someone should do a Mad Max style tourney with the IF guns
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hercules on October 28, 2015, 01:56:49 PM
i always wanted to see a rumble of crawlers in a bouncy arena... crawler tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: El Chickenado on October 30, 2015, 02:52:22 PM
i always wanted to see a rumble of crawlers in a bouncy arena... crawler tournament?
for me it would depend on dsl or stock
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hercules on October 30, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
i always wanted to see a rumble of crawlers in a bouncy arena... crawler tournament?
for me it would depend on dsl or stock
if it was dsl it should be unrealistic to allow diversity (there´s diversity in crawlers, dont look at me like that)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jonzu95 on November 02, 2015, 03:46:04 AM
Do we honestly need Active and Inactive discussion boards to be seperated?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on November 02, 2015, 03:48:50 AM
Why wouldn't we? We had a lot of people bumping old threads that clearly weren't going to come to anything so this is a lot less confusing. An Inactive tournament can be picked back up anytime and by anyone. I literally don't see why you'd ask that question because it seems so obvious.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hercules on November 02, 2015, 11:48:18 AM
I would love to see a crawler tournament, but i dont have the skillz to host it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on November 02, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
I would love to see a crawler tournament, but i dont have the skillz to host it
I'd imagine that would be quite boring, unless you made it unique and/or gave the tournament a twist.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 07, 2016, 07:41:43 PM
So I was thinking about maybe doing a tournament again. I have 2 ideas.
1. revive Ironclash. I've hosted tournaments before, I know what I'm doing. Ironclash was started by Craaig and then dropped. It's a standard MW ironforge tournament, those are a bit too few imo and it would give people a chance to test out their MWs and stuff.
2. "offroad" tournament. This one could be a lot of fun. It would be ironforge also and take place in the DSL mars arena. Wedges and stuff would be useless and it would make people come up with new innovations and I think it could be a blast. I'm leaning more towards this.

I'm not certain I will even do a tournament, but I just want to see how much interest this gains. Anybody interested in either of these?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on January 07, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
I would be interested in watching the second one, definitely sounds fun. Also, what's popular nowadays, stock, DSL (-S or IRL?) or Ironforge?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on January 07, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
I'm fine with either (I still have that drum in my showcase ready for whenever).  But I think the second one could provide some interesting results.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 07, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
Oh yeah forgot the second one would also be ironforge. I know 2.2 is coming out soon but I just like IF better now. I'm not necessarily against 2.2 though.
i really think the offroad one would be a fun time. it would be unique too as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on January 07, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
offroad
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on January 07, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
name the offroad one "Offroad Extreme!"
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 07, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
I'm thinking Offroad Opocalypse
Extreme could be good if I'm going for SUPER OVER THE TOP which I likely will but then again Opocalypse could work for that too and sounds even more ridiculous
I'm still not certain I will do a tournament due to time, but I did like hosting them. n00b warz were a lot of fun. I'm feeling the waters for some interest too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Meganerdbomb on January 09, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
Why not Offroad Opocalypse EXTREME?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on January 13, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
We need another n00b warz, to be honest.

mars arena tournament would be nice, I guess.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Natef on January 13, 2016, 10:12:27 AM
Aw man I loved N00b Warz
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on January 13, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
i wanted to do one but never completed it, it's in inactive discussion somewhere, should i take it over and complete it now that i have recording stuff?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 13, 2016, 12:50:15 PM
if anybody wants to do their own take on n00b warz, i give them my blessing
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on January 15, 2016, 05:51:45 AM
Me! Me! Let me do it!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 15, 2016, 09:32:33 AM
go ahead if you want bud
i can send you the intro music if you want
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on January 17, 2016, 04:48:44 PM
If you could that'd be grand
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on January 22, 2016, 11:46:50 PM
oh boy oh boy it's time for another terrible Thrackerzod gimmick idea (tm)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88670teamwork logo.png)

OK this one's a weird one.  Basically, the idea is a 16-bot single elimination tournament with a dumb, luck-based twist.  Let's say Bot 1 and Bot 2 have a match.  If Bot 1 wins, Bot 2 then joins Bot 1's "team" for future matches.  Then, if Bot 1's team beats Bot 3's team in the next round, all the bots on Bot 3's team join Bot 1's team.  Here's how the rounds would play out:
ROUND 1: Standard single elimination
ROUND 2: 2 v 2 team matches.  Assuming Bot 1 beat Bot 2 in Round 1, Bot 1's options are:
    A. 2 copies of Bot 1
    B. Bot 1 and Bot 2
    C. 2 copies of Bot 2
ROUND 3: 2 v 2 team matches.  For this round, you can use any two bots on your team, but cannot double up a single robot (this is because I figure, by this point, surely you've got at least one other decent bot on your team.)
FINAL: Best of 3, 2 v 2 team matches.  Each participant selects 6 of the bots on their team to compete.  You may not double up any robots.

ok so there's that.  Here are some of the problems I forsee:
-terrible gimmick idea that no one will like
-Will not work without 16 entries.  Running 15 + byebot (or less bot + more byebot) would give someone's team a major disadvantage.
-I can't think of a way I would enter this fairly, given that I'd know which bots everyone's using.  That means one less entry.
-Allowing for double entries might work, but it would kinda mess things up if you were going against yourself in one of the later matches, so you knew which bots you had picked.

That said, I did make the logo for it, so at least that's something.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Sircreepalot2 on January 23, 2016, 12:06:12 AM
i like it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Bobyasianboy on January 23, 2016, 04:55:23 AM
I'm game
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on January 23, 2016, 05:03:37 AM
if it's stock i'll enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on January 23, 2016, 05:36:54 AM
Sure.  You went through all that trouble of making that logo, so you might as well.  That and it sounds interesting.

Also, you should probably tell Craaig that D5 is done so you can go on with this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2016, 08:49:01 AM
Putting the feelers out for NQRW: Robot Wars mod edition.
Would of course wait for the new update.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on January 23, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
Also, you should probably tell Craaig that D5 is done so you can go on with this.

Ops, thought I had done that already.

Wasn't planning on starting the tournament for a little while anyway.  Mostly I just wanted to type it up so I don't forget why there's a sticky note that says "Teamwork makes the Dream Work" on my desk.

So what version would people be interested in?  I haven't hosted an Ironforge tournament yet, but I'd be happy to host whatever people would enter.  Except IRL, probably won't host an IRL tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 23, 2016, 11:26:23 AM
ironforge would be much appreciated
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Bobyasianboy on January 23, 2016, 11:50:20 AM
Ironforge would be cool, yeah
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on January 23, 2016, 03:34:59 PM
Putting the feelers out for NQRW: Robot Wars mod edition.
Would of course wait for the new update.
If the components are doable to work with in the update, then, yeah.  I'd be down.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on January 23, 2016, 08:33:51 PM
Putting the feelers out for NQRW: Robot Wars mod edition.
Would of course wait for the new update.
If the components are doable to work with in the update, then, yeah.  I'd be down.
Yeah, I'll do some testing.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on January 29, 2016, 10:57:51 PM
I Gonna Want To Start Tournaments But How To Host

Need Arena (Like BEANN MAP,RoboWen Arena etc)

You Can AI Then Skip

You Can't AI? Like (RedAce etc)

Can't Finish Create Arena And Don't Start Tournament Topic

Can't Host Then Don't Create A Tournament Topic

Examples:
---Example Name---

-DSL 2.2 (Like Stock Ironforge etc)
-Heavyweight (Like Super Heavyweight,Middleweight etc)
-(Example) Banned
-No (Example)

Sign up (This Example Not Sign Up)

OK OK I Am Done Done.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on January 30, 2016, 08:28:32 AM
please do not start tournaments until you understand the game well.

i dont mean to be disrespectful but i don't think you have the experience to handle a tournament right now. wait a bit, make a showcase so you can get advice.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yoda9726 on February 29, 2016, 05:45:18 AM
So, it's becoming painfully obvious that I'm never going to have any time for anything RA2 related, except building the occasional bot for fun.  So, I officially release the 'rights'  to any of my tournament ideas I've had. anything from this thread...

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=7402.0 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=7402.0)

Survival of the Fittest, and especially Our Replicas Are Different.  Have fun guys.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on February 29, 2016, 07:12:54 AM
I really quite hope to pick up Bizarro World when I have the time.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: The Red Blur on February 29, 2016, 07:35:08 AM
Id really love someone to do in the air tonight. It sounds really fun.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on February 29, 2016, 08:22:33 AM
It'd either have to be a sequel or you'd have to rename it because I believe he's already done it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
Would anyone be interested in a small (8 player) standard IF tournament? Probably HW, BO3 double elim. I feel there aren't enough standard tournaments these days.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on March 11, 2016, 08:08:53 PM
Hey, guys, it seems I'm your new Tournaments section mod. I've replaced Craaig, sadly he's no longer moderating the Tournaments section, as well as G.K. So, anything tournament related should be directed towards me and not Craaig. Thanks for the opportunity, Trov, Craaig and the rest of the staff :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on March 11, 2016, 08:13:02 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Yugitom overlord.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Kossokei on March 11, 2016, 08:20:40 PM
nan for president 2016
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Trovaner on March 11, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Congrats, yugitom. I'm excited to work with you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on March 11, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
was typing a pm to craaig and was just about to send it when this was posted, good thing i saw this
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on March 11, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
Congrats, yugitom. I'm excited to work with you.
Back at ya :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on March 11, 2016, 08:36:13 PM
Gratz yugi.  I think you are the perfect candidate for this task.

Also, I'll send you a PM to move Throwback Throwdown shortly.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on March 11, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
Geice, RedAce, I'll crack down on your threads once I'm familiar with what I can do. You don't want the new guy coming in and messing up everyone's thread because he doesn't know what to do, haha. Once I get a crash course, I'll be cracking down on everything Tournament related :)

Gratz yugi.  I think you are the perfect candidate for this task.
Thanks, mate :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on March 11, 2016, 09:00:15 PM
Would anyone be interested in a small (8 player) standard IF tournament? Probably HW, BO3 double elim. I feel there aren't enough standard tournaments these days.
definitely
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Scorpion on March 12, 2016, 05:17:07 AM
Would anyone be interested in a small (8 player) standard IF tournament? Probably HW, BO3 double elim. I feel there aren't enough standard tournaments these days.
definitely
^ This
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on March 12, 2016, 06:03:39 AM
Congrats man, I'm sure you'll do the section justice :) 
I'll get in touch with you sometime later on today and check you're all good on the process.
Good luck!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on March 12, 2016, 11:29:08 AM
Right, I've done a bit of a cleanup in the Tournaments section and have replaced the mention of Craaig and G.K. with myself so that new members don't get confused if they read their names and don't get a response. Feel free to inform me if there's anything else I need to change in that regard.

Also, from now on, feel free to ask me any questions about tournaments or perhaps a suggestion to amend, add or remove rules.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2016, 04:16:50 PM
How much do you guys care about editing? Because editing the video takes about 4-5x as long as recording and preparing the materials for it (images etc). Would uploading straight video files of the matches be OK? (Not going to change the video format of my current tournament, just wondering for future)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Bobyasianboy on March 30, 2016, 04:57:43 PM
I think editing just goes unappreciated most of the time, I don't think anyone really minds having just the video, although you should probably edit things out or fast forward it if there's a wedge lock or something. I didn't cut anything out of my tournament and it was boring as sh** because of it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on March 30, 2016, 05:28:01 PM
I do love me some editing. Makes the tournament videos a lot more interesting and entertaining. It keeps me watching more than if I was listening to the normal game sounds, which can be ear rape-y sometimes.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on March 30, 2016, 06:05:10 PM
someone make a tourney for me to enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on March 30, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
somebody should host a no-gimmick DSL-S 2.2 tournament. If RA3 replaces ra2, we may never have had a proper 2.2 tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on March 30, 2016, 06:40:30 PM
I still have that offroad tournament idea kicking around but im not sure if I have time to do it. DSL would be better than IF for that tournament anyway.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Anyone remember the name of that DSL tournament years ago that forced everyone to use the same chassis, except you could move 1 component? Not clash cubes. Thinking of doing an IF version of that after my current tournament is finished, providing I can get the blessing of the creator.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on April 03, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
Anyone remember the name of that DSL tournament years ago that forced everyone to use the same chassis, except you could move 1 component? Not clash cubes. Thinking of doing an IF version of that after my current tournament is finished, providing I can get the blessing of the creator.
that was nar's one tourney, you had a prebuilt chassis with like 3 ants and a couple multi extenders on it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on April 05, 2016, 04:59:42 AM
random question, how many of you guys actually check for bfe/aam when going over entries?

For those that do, do you skim through the botfile to see if there is anything that doesn't add up, like super-strong armor or weapons that are bfe'd to the baseplate? Or, do you just check the bot in the lab for components that you feel are out of place and cannot be attached I the position they're in?

Just curious as I think that a lot of people assume that just saying "no bfe" is a legitimate deterrent.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on April 05, 2016, 05:21:47 AM
I never check the bot file myself. I know I should check for super strong armour but that should be obvious when the robot fights. I normally just look at the bot in game. I'm trusting enough that no-one who knows about super strong armour etc... would try and cheat like that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on April 05, 2016, 09:05:33 AM
I never check the bot file myself. I know I should check for super strong armour but that should be obvious when the robot fights. I normally just look at the bot in game. I'm trusting enough that no-one who knows about super strong armour etc... would try and cheat like that
Same here.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on April 19, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
Due to the recent reform of the Tournaments section and the resulting removal of the Completed child board, whenever you ask me to complete your tournament, I will be locking all the threads rather than moving them all to Completed. So, make sure that you've said all you have to say in the SBV (and Awards if you decided to do so) threads before you ask for them to be locked.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Hows about an IF (or dsl ew) tourney where only control boards, batteries and a single anchor can be placed on the chassis, and ysing serge's ro7 patch is legal?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: The Red Blur on May 05, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
Hows about an IF (or dsl ew) tourney where only control boards, batteries and a single anchor can be placed on the chassis, and ysing serge's ro7 patch is legal?

So... Everything else (motors, weapons etc.) is not on the baseplate, including drive?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on May 05, 2016, 10:24:33 AM
Hows about an IF (or dsl ew) tourney where only control boards, batteries and a single anchor can be placed on the chassis, and ysing serge's ro7 patch is legal?

So... Everything else (motors, weapons etc.) is not on the baseplate, including drive?
Yes, quite obviously.

I did something like that quite a bit ago, except I gave people a chassis to work with.

Would be nice to see what people will come up with.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Calmarius on May 05, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
I'm considering making a tournament. I have several questions as I'm reading the rules:

- If I accept bots that are AIed by the competitor and not me, do I have to have the very same smart zone pack installed that the author had? This is a rather technical question but I think it's relevant here.

- What are the standards for the images and videos I upload for the tournament? Is it OK to just show the raw video capture, and let the viewers "feel free to fast forward through the boring parts" and "feel free to start your favorite music player to cheer it up"?

- How I'm supposed to receive the bots, is there a standard way, or do I need to publish an e-mail address to do so? (danger of getting spammed)

- It seems a lot of tournament descriptions have a lot of exclusions (like excluding whole robot types or AI modes). Are these required to have an exciting tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on May 05, 2016, 05:10:12 PM
I'm considering making a tournament. I have several questions as I'm reading the rules:

- If I accept bots that are AIed by the competitor and not me, do I have to have the very same smart zone pack installed that the author had? This is a rather technical question but I think it's relevant here.
Good question. I'm not too sure if it matters, really. Just as long as the robot is clearly working as intended and it doesn't crash your game, you should be good to go.

- What are the standards for the images and videos I upload for the tournament? Is it OK to just show the raw video capture, and let the viewers "feel free to fast forward through the boring parts" and "feel free to start your favorite music player to cheer it up"?
The only bare minimum standard is that you show the end of the match where the winner is clearly presented. You do not need any fancy editing at all.

- How I'm supposed to receive the bots, is there a standard way, or do I need to publish an e-mail address to do so? (danger of getting spammed)
Via PM.

- It seems a lot of tournament descriptions have a lot of exclusions (like excluding whole robot types or AI modes). Are these required to have an exciting tournament?
That's relatively subjective, it's all up to you. Most bans and exclusions will depend on the host's preferences on what they want to see in their tournament, not necessarily what they think will make it the most exciting (although, it may be a good idea to keep that in mind, just so people enter :P)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
I'm considering making a tournament. I have several questions as I'm reading the rules:

- If I accept bots that are AIed by the competitor and not me, do I have to have the very same smart zone pack installed that the author had? This is a rather technical question but I think it's relevant here.

- What are the standards for the images and videos I upload for the tournament? Is it OK to just show the raw video capture, and let the viewers "feel free to fast forward through the boring parts" and "feel free to start your favorite music player to cheer it up"?

- How I'm supposed to receive the bots, is there a standard way, or do I need to publish an e-mail address to do so? (danger of getting spammed)

- It seems a lot of tournament descriptions have a lot of exclusions (like excluding whole robot types or AI modes). Are these required to have an exciting tournament?

You would need the same smartzone components they used. Most people use madiba's smartzones tho, I think. When I hosted this was never an issue for me. If a bot uses weird components the onus is on the entrant to supply a list of non-dtandard parts it uses (i.e. skin packs or other custom smartzones)

While most people put music in the background of their videos, I dont think anyone cares when there is no music.

You generally recieve bots via pm, and people aend you a dl link to their bot.

Depends on the game-mode. Meltybrain ai is banned in almost every tournament because its fundamentally broken. SnS are banned in most ironforge tournaments due to being OP. Apart from that, its all up to you, if you want to ban the more overpowered designs like popups give people more creative freedom


Edit ninja'd reeeeeeeee
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on May 05, 2016, 05:19:30 PM
Meltybrain ai is banned in almost every tournament because its fundamentally broken.
People only started banning MB recently.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Meltybrain ai is banned in almost every tournament because its fundamentally broken.
People only started banning MB recently.
I meant it's currently banned in nearly every tournament, so he should consider banning it too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on May 17, 2016, 01:56:01 AM
Hmm....
Want about rammer HW tourament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on May 17, 2016, 08:34:45 AM
Why just rammers? Won't that be hugely boring?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Meganerdbomb on May 17, 2016, 09:00:23 AM
Rammers are the manliest bot type according to Nary
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on May 17, 2016, 09:03:01 AM
Hmm.... What about hovercraft Tourament
There some Tournament to join?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on May 17, 2016, 01:48:48 PM
Why just rammers? Won't that be hugely boring?

On the contrary. Rammers only, rammer hybrids allowed for SOME variation, require at least a certain amount of weight invested in drive so all bots are at least semi-fast.

Will make for much better matches than two shell spinners. Or two popups.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on May 17, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I think it could make for some nicely paced, fun matches. I'm all for it if you are actually able to do it and have the commitment.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on May 17, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
Hmmm...... What about WenXiangTatic? Or Pop-up VS SHell Spinners?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on May 22, 2016, 07:39:19 AM
What about Robot Wars Replica Tourament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
What about Robot Wars Replica Tourament?
Sonny's already done a crap-ton of them. RA2's damage system doesn't really work for replica tournaments
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on May 22, 2016, 12:28:29 PM
Replica tournaments would be better suited to Personal Tournaments, although I quite enjoyed taking over Jonzu's replica tournament. Try what you want, Wen, and see what the reaction is, because I don't think too many people are willing to offer their opinion on certain tournament ideas unless they had the option to vote on it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 02, 2016, 05:51:41 AM
In light of the tournament host ban list growing ever larger, I'd like to ask people about hosting. Is there anything holding any of you prospective hosts back from starting a tournament? If there is, please let me know and I'll try to cater to that.

I'm fairly sure this is all coincidental procrastination but, if anyone has any ideas of their own to make hosting a bit more fun, easier, or whatever you feel it's lacking, I'd appreciate the input.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 02, 2016, 05:54:58 AM
I'm happy to host whenever I'm well enough. Just most of my ideas require a bit more member participation than most which can prove difficult.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2016, 07:45:13 AM
I have examd on ATM so no time. When they're done I'll host some stuff
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2016, 06:09:48 PM
Yo someone please do a ToT3
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 08, 2016, 01:06:44 PM
I want to make a tournament with really fast bots only. Probably DSL 2.2.

By "fast bots" I mean fast rammer drive, ala 2WD NPCF for LW, 3+WD NPCF/Etek for MW, and 6WD NPCF/4WD Etek for HW.

In an OOTA arena, of course. It will certainly be entertaining - the more Rage III'ing the better.

May host it when i'm done with the first version of NAR AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 08, 2016, 01:20:18 PM
Sounds good to me, just as long as you make it perfectly clear what qualifies as a fast robot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 08, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Sounds good to me, just as long as you make it perfectly clear what qualifies as a fast robot.

Considering how dual mag drive seems weaker than NPCF drive in DSL2 and hence looks uncompetitive, i think that will be easy:

-LW: Bot must have drive power equal to 2WD NPC drive, or better
-MW: Bot must have drive power equal to either 3WD NPCF drive, 2WD Etek drive, or better
-HW: Bot must have drive power equal to 6WD NPCF drive, 4WD Etek drive, or better

As for wheel choice, I may ban anything with less than 1 grip. Also, ban decreased throttle in bindings, and any wheel or motor that doesn't contribute to speed (such as sideways wheels to boost turnspeed or n00bs putting wheels on unpowered axles)

Also, ban SnS since they're not really "fast" bots. Probably do an exception for SnS/rammers.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on June 08, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Alternatively, you could set a minimum "speed" value that must be achieved, where speed = motor torque x wheel grip.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on June 09, 2016, 04:33:32 AM
Alternatively, you could set a minimum "speed" value that must be achieved, where speed = motor torque x wheel grip.

i was thinking about that, but i wanted to keep it simple

...eh. it'll teach the newbs something.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on June 16, 2016, 01:50:23 PM
Would anyone be interested in a tournament with the same ruleset as my latest challenge with RedAce: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=19063.0 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=19063.0)?  That is, all of the SergePatcher fuctions would be allowed.

On one hand, I feel like it would let people really build some crazy designs.  On the other hand, it would probably turn into "which of these 16 identical HSes will win?"
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on June 16, 2016, 02:16:22 PM
While I would kinda like to see one play out, it'll probably just have bunch of bots that are just flat out invincible and impossible to KO.  In my opinion, you're gonna have to try little harder than THAT probably gonna need to put in a special gimmick that could give the pseudo hax mode bots at a disadvantage to the point where they don't make the metagame unfair as SSBB.  Maybe a specific weightclass for the use of component intersection?  I dunno.  I still want to at least have the ability to use the SergePatcher as it makes stacking components and loading components on SnapperIIs much less tedious in my opinion.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on June 16, 2016, 04:33:42 PM
Maybe you could ban invincible baseplate armour to make it so you can't have an invincible chassis.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on June 16, 2016, 10:09:08 PM
Good thoughts.  What about something like, "if your chassis is smaller than x squares, you can't use caster armor"?  Or should it just be a flat-out ban?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on June 16, 2016, 10:19:36 PM
Anything that attaches to the baseplate is invincible, so you'll probably want to restrict anything bypassing the chassis.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on June 16, 2016, 10:38:11 PM
Oh, right, forgot that was how that worked.

I'll just run a different gimmick; having to check each bot to see if anything is clipping the chassis seems like too much effort.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2016, 10:48:33 AM
Few ideas:

Stock tournament where only component from the weapon tab allowed is bear claws. May ban pure HS
DSL tournament where only hybrids are allowed
DSL tournament where bot types are balanced by weight allowances (e.g. SnS can only be 400kg, popups 500, hammers 700 etc)
Stock/DSL tournament where you can only use one of each component (excluding batteries and extenders)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 21, 2016, 10:52:01 AM
Stock/DSL tournament where you can only use one of each component (excluding batteries and extenders)
Isn't that Scrapyard Challenge? Don't remember if that's the exact name but I'm fairly sure that was the gimmick of Kurt's tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2016, 11:22:52 AM
Stock/DSL tournament where you can only use one of each component (excluding batteries and extenders)
Isn't that Scrapyard Challenge? Don't remember if that's the exact name but I'm fairly sure that was the gimmick of Kurt's tournament.
Meh I wouldn't know, I'll go check
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2016, 06:41:53 PM
New idea, have to use at least 3 different components from each tab
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on June 21, 2016, 07:46:39 PM
Stock/DSL tournament where you can only use one of each component (excluding batteries and extenders)
Isn't that Scrapyard Challenge? Don't remember if that's the exact name but I'm fairly sure that was the gimmick of Kurt's tournament.
I was gonna run an off-brand knock-off Scrapheap Challenge called Trashpile Trial, but I didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on June 22, 2016, 05:20:07 AM
Hi guys,

I have been thinking of a few tournament ideas that I thought might be a fun little twist on the game – apologies if these have been suggested before.

1)   Super Middleweight Melee (Working title)
Standard Stock competition with the main gimmick being that the weight limit would be capped at an unofficial “Super Middleweight” level of 600kg.

2)   Pencil Pushers (Working title)
An idea I had inspired by Robot Arena 1. We assign each component a monetary value and give everyone say $1000 to spend on whatever they can come up with.

Some further thoughts:
-   Weight could play a role, so for example the first 400kg you build with are free, but for every 50kg over that it could cost $50 (or similar).
-   Armour could also play a role so for example plastic might be free, but DSA could cost $200, steel $150 etc.
-   Components would be valued based on their effectiveness with the most expensive components being HP Zteks, Iron Spikes, SnapperII’s etc. while the samurai sword, servos, sledge hammer head etc would be cheaper. 


Due to the complexity of valuing each part, I think this would have to be agreed beforehand (maybe on here?) and the rules would have a pricelist for competitors to work with. Due to the extra components in DSL I think this would work better as a stock contest also.

3)   Budget Bots (Working title)
A breakaway from the above, where competitors are given a much smaller budget to spend on making a robot, similar rules as above.

What does everyone think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2016, 05:25:03 AM
Hi guys,

I have been thinking of a few tournament ideas that I thought might be a fun little twist on the game – apologies if these have been suggested before.

1)   Super Middleweight Melee (Working title)
Standard Stock competition with the main gimmick being that the weight limit would be capped at an unofficial “Super Middleweight” level of 600kg.

2)   Pencil Pushers (Working title)
An idea I had inspired by Robot Arena 1. We assign each component a monetary value and give everyone say $1000 to spend on whatever they can come up with.

Some further thoughts:
-   Weight could play a role, so for example the first 400kg you build with are free, but for every 50kg over that it could cost $50 (or similar).
-   Armour could also play a role so for example plastic might be free, but DSA could cost $200, steel $150 etc.
-   Components would be valued based on their effectiveness with the most expensive components being HP Zteks, Iron Spikes, SnapperII’s etc. while the samurai sword, servos, sledge hammer head etc would be cheaper. 


Due to the complexity of valuing each part, I think this would have to be agreed beforehand (maybe on here?) and the rules would have a pricelist for competitors to work with. Due to the extra components in DSL I think this would work better as a stock contest also.

3)   Budget Bots (Working title)
A breakaway from the above, where competitors are given a much smaller budget to spend on making a robot, similar rules as above.

What does everyone think?
Sounds cool, but the money ones sound like a HUGE pain in the ass to host. Also I think 600kg is called cruiserweight (or maybe 550 or 500, idk)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on June 22, 2016, 05:30:12 AM
Sounds cool, but the money ones sound like a HUGE pain in the ass to host. Also I think 600kg is called cruiserweight (or maybe 550 or 500, idk)

It does, I think the best way to host it would be for everyone to submit a price list with their bot designs showing what they have spent so the host could keep track; maybe Budget bots would be the way forward so there wouldn't be as many parts in play.

I was going by boxing classes, cruiser weight is after Super Middle Weight, but both are under Heavy weight, so either/or really. There's also "Light Heavyweight", but I didn't think that had quite the same ring to it haha
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 22, 2016, 05:35:50 AM
I'm loving the ideas. 600kg is Cruiserweight, btw.

The money-based idea is a nice one but you may get builders that don't want to crunch the numbers as they go, due to the monetary values being self-imposed but if you're willing to host a rather tasking tournament, more power to you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on June 22, 2016, 05:40:02 AM
I'm loving the ideas. 600kg is Cruiserweight, btw.

The money-based idea is a nice one but you may get builders that don't want to crunch the numbers as they go, due to the monetary values being self-imposed but if you're willing to host a rather tasking tournament, more power to you.

Ahh, is there an existing classification already in play for cruiserweight?

Maybe a smaller entrants list as an almost 'test-run' of say 4, maybe 8 members, would be easier to test the waters of hosting an event like this?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on June 22, 2016, 05:51:19 AM
You'll need at least 8 people to make it a tournament under the management rules iirc
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on June 22, 2016, 06:05:48 AM
You'll need at least 8 people to make it a tournament under the management rules iirc

Sounds like 8 is the way forward then! Assuming I attempt to host my own idea!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 22, 2016, 06:54:52 AM
I'm loving the ideas. 600kg is Cruiserweight, btw.

The money-based idea is a nice one but you may get builders that don't want to crunch the numbers as they go, due to the monetary values being self-imposed but if you're willing to host a rather tasking tournament, more power to you.

Ahh, is there an existing classification already in play for cruiserweight?
   
  • State the weightclass of robot in the tournament. The different weightclasses are listed below:

    Antweight/AW (Up to 125.0kg)
    Beetleweight/BW (Up to 175.0kg)
    Lightweight/LW (Up to 248.9kg/249.0kg – This depends on the mood of the game)
    Middleweight/MW (Up to 398.9kg/399.0 – Same issue here)
    Cruiserweight/CW (Up to 600.0kg)
    Heavyweight/HW (Up to 800.0kg)
    SuperHeavyWeight/SHW (Up to 1200.0kg)
    UltraHeavyWeight/UHW (Up to 5000.0kg)
    GigaHeavyWeight/GHW (Up to 10000.0kg)

    You can create your own weightclass if you want, also.
Also, I highly recommend that, if you want to host a tournament, you closely follow this guide made by GK because I use it for all my tournaments and it's near comprehensive regarding everything to do with hosting a tournament (it just doesn't mention Serge's component freedom, which I may amend at some point.)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on June 28, 2016, 03:36:01 AM
I has my TOURENMENT idea.

Riddle Wars (or call it Riddle School Wars)
Weight will be Heavyweight
No Sns?
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
Stock or DSL? or Ironforge?

Second
WenXiangWars (or WXW)
Mostly DSL 2.2
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
All gitch allowed
Pop up banned
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2016, 06:43:58 AM
I has my TOURENMENT idea.

Riddle Wars (or call it Riddle School Wars)
Weight will be Heavyweight
No Sns?
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
Stock or DSL? or Ironforge?

Second
WenXiangWars (or WXW)
Mostly DSL 2.2
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
All gitch allowed
Pop up banned
"mostly dsl2.2"

But yeah go for it man, You know how to AI and record videos. Just don't cover it with undertale memes, please. And make sure you stick with it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 28, 2016, 06:49:13 AM
Just don't cover it with undertale memes, please
I cannot stress that enough. You have free rein to edit your videos how you want but try to avoid compromising your chances of people watching your tournament or any subsequent tournament/challenge videos you make.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on June 28, 2016, 07:09:03 AM
I has my TOURENMENT idea.

Riddle Wars (or call it Riddle School Wars)
Weight will be Heavyweight
No Sns?
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
Stock or DSL? or Ironforge?

Second
WenXiangWars (or WXW)
Mostly DSL 2.2
The reskined Robot Wars Arena
All gitch allowed
Pop up banned
WenXiangWars Entries (?)
16 Entries
or
14 Entries
or
8 Entries
Just don't cover it with undertale music, please
I ONLY clover with This music
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on June 28, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
If you run a tournament, Wen, I'd definitely enter.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: The Red Blur on June 29, 2016, 03:44:52 AM
For this riddle schools wars thing, why not have a theme? Like all bots have to have a certain theme with their skin?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on June 29, 2016, 03:47:31 AM
For this riddle schools wars thing, why not have a theme? Like all bots have to have a certain theme with their skin?
Must be Riddle School Phil themed or riddle school Smiley themed or  :rage themed

WenXiangWars
Has prizes
Winner get Stock,DSL and Ironforge Bots.
2nd get Stock and Ironforge Bots.
3rd get Tock Bots.
4th to last place get... umm..... failed stock bots.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on June 29, 2016, 07:09:09 AM
Another potential idea that just popped into my head.

Stock Reborn
Stock
LW/MW/HW - doesn't matter at this stage.
Premise - Each entrant is assigned (or can pick?) a standard stock design from standard Robot Arena 2 AI teams. Each player must then import their designated robot into the bot lab and "upgrade the design".

For example, If i was assigned Tornado, Blackstorm team, MW.
I might upgrade the drive, lower the chassis, change out the sledgehammers etc.

Limitations would be that the wheels and weapon system must remain true to the original. I.e. Coal Miner must still utilize the N22 Wheels, be 4WD and a face spinner. The chassis shape must also remain the same, but it can be lowered/raised. Now that I've typed those out I am not so sure... The Chassis shape is a must so it is clear who is who... Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on June 29, 2016, 07:55:02 AM
Looks alright to me.

I would like to say, even though this thread is good for a quick judgment of what people think about your tournament idea, making a thread in the Public Tournament Discussion board is a great indication of what people think. I'm especially suggesting this to Wen because it seems you have a good amount of ideas but you don't want to execute them. I say just go with your favourite idea and see what people actually think in a poll.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on June 29, 2016, 08:35:28 AM
Looks alright to me.

I would like to say, even though this thread is good for a quick judgment of what people think about your tournament idea, making a thread in the Public Tournament Discussion board is a great indication of what people think.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/373171467206467102_1467206712503.jpg)
I going to start on 7 November 2016 becuase I can't host on Monday to Friday I has school (expect holiday)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: The Red Blur on June 29, 2016, 12:51:30 PM
Looks alright to me.

I would like to say, even though this thread is good for a quick judgment of what people think about your tournament idea, making a thread in the Public Tournament Discussion board is a great indication of what people think.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/373171467206467102_1467206712503.jpg)
I going to start on 7 November 2016 becuase I can't host on Monday to Friday I has school (expect holiday)

You ain't gonna be able to host it until it's cleared for sign-ups by yugi, so it's worth doing it now for the 7th of Nov (even though that seems like ages away for a tournament)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2016, 06:01:36 AM
Looking to host another tournament, but I'd like to see what people would actually want to enter, considering the low turnout recently. Mod? Gimmick? Arena? What would make you want to join a tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 07, 2016, 07:17:37 AM
low turnout recently
Speaking of, would people in favour of an official tournament ranking system? There'd be a few issues making it up because some gimmicky tournaments may need to be excluded from affecting the leaderboard and other such issues. I was thinking about making tournaments that fit a certain criteria only able to affect the official rankings. Then, at the end of the year (or 12 months after being initially set up), the top 3 get some form of prizes. If I coupled this idea with an official GTM tournament, the prizes could include an AI pack consisting of robots that entered it.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2016, 07:41:42 AM
low turnout recently
Speaking of, would people in favour of an official tournament ranking system? There'd be a few issues making it up because some gimmicky tournaments may need to be excluded from affecting the leaderboard and other such issues. I was thinking about making tournaments that fit a certain criteria only able to affect the official rankings. Then, at the end of the year (or 12 months after being initially set up), the top 3 get some form of prizes. If I coupled this idea with an official GTM tournament, the prizes could include an AI pack consisting of robots that entered it.

Thoughts?
I would be in favour, this is exactly what we need. If I can help at all, PM me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on July 07, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
I'm all in favor of a leader board system, but I feel it's just going be the same 6 people who always enter tournaments. Lack of tournament turnout, imo, is because of a low interest in general for RA2 and an oversaturation of smaller tournaments without any other large-scale offerings (BBEANS, Clash Cubes)

An official GTM tournament would be a good idea if decent hype was made around it. If it was something similar to what Kill suggested awhile then I would definitely be interested in it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 07, 2016, 02:31:52 PM
I'm all in favor of a leader board system, but I feel it's just going be the same 6 people who always enter tournaments. Lack of tournament turnout, imo, is because of a low interest in general for RA2 and an oversaturation of smaller tournaments without any other large-scale offerings (BBEANS, Clash Cubes)
I was also concerned about that and I thought it could be possible to kick-start the ranking system with an official GTM tournament. I believe the only reason we (me, Sage, RedAce and Kill) haven't pushed for the RA2 League to happen yet is because we were worried it would lose a lot of interest if people moved on to RA3. However, now, with RA3's launch and no-one seems to be in a rush to drop RA2 for it, I think it may be worth pushing very soon. Tbf, thank you very much for jogging my memory on that because I may get in contact with Kill and the other hosts to see when we can get the big signups open for it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
Why don't we do 3 majors and 1 huge tournament, officially sanctioned by GTM and they give points for a ladder system. Maybe on a 4 monthly cycle.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 07, 2016, 03:24:22 PM
Not sure if this is off-topic or not as it is tournament discussion related, but anyway...

I believe the only reason we (me, Sage, RedAce and Kill) haven't pushed for the RA2 League to happen yet is because we were worried it would lose a lot of interest if people moved on to RA3.
I've also been meaning to get a practice stream up and going for a while, but I've been busy with college and ToT 2 and all that, so it's been on the back burner for a while.  I also have had to take care of work schedule that has been increasing over the past few days.  I'm still up for doing it.  I just need to do some work arounds.  If all goes well, I could stream a practice tourney next Saturday unless I get some sudden things that will take up that night.

tl;dr Still interested in this.  Might make a practice stream soon.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
I could definitely do a stream, I've done a decent amount of streaming before and can handle basically everything. lmk if you need help w/ anything.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 07, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
Rankings sound cool. I feel like I could be at least somewhat competitive.

Also, if anyone feels like backdating ranks through tournament history I'll give you an internet cookie.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 07, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Backdating rankings wouldn't be a very good incentive for people to start out because they'd have ways to go before they could even consider being in the top 3.

Not sure if this is off-topic or not as it is tournament discussion related, but anyway...

I believe the only reason we (me, Sage, RedAce and Kill) haven't pushed for the RA2 League to happen yet is because we were worried it would lose a lot of interest if people moved on to RA3.
I've also been meaning to get a practice stream up and going for a while, but I've been busy with college and ToT 2 and all that, so it's been on the back burner for a while.  I also have had to take care of work schedule that has been increasing over the past few days.  I'm still up for doing it.  I just need to do some work arounds.  If all goes well, I could stream a practice tourney next Saturday unless I get some sudden things that will take up that night.

tl;dr Still interested in this.  Might make a practice stream soon.
Cool stuff. Be sure to contact me on Steam at some point so we have a clear plan of action.

Why don't we do 3 majors and 1 huge tournament, officially sanctioned by GTM and they give points for a ladder system. Maybe on a 4 monthly cycle.
Are you insinuating that these tournaments are the only ones that would give out ranking points? If so, that goes against why I want this system in the first place. It gives an incentive for all members to join every given tournament (with the possible exception of gimmicky tournaments) as they can get higher up on the tournament rankings.

Thinking about it, though, I believe that the one official GTM tournament shouldn't be a league and simply an easy to digest double elimination tournament on the scale of BBEANS and Battlebots. That'll make things much cleaner and nice to setup every time it comes around. I'll talk with other staff members about that possibility (possibly Craaig more than anyone else, due to him being the previous and seasoned tournament section moderator) and then, hopefully, talk to Trov about getting the official tournament advertised on the front page of GTM, just like how the BOTM is. Trov being AFK lately is likely to put a spanner in the works but there is a lot to go through before getting to the stage of talking to him, anyway.

Btw, I am appreciating the feedback so far and I'm glad that I am able to instigate this topic of discussion as the tournament section moderator.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 07, 2016, 05:07:22 PM
Oh, by backdate I meant have a reference for what the ranking would have looked like for a previous year. So if we took last year for example we could see if it even makes sense.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 07, 2016, 05:09:39 PM
Oh, alright, that doesn't sound too bad, then. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to do that, so I would very much appreciate any help in that area.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on July 16, 2016, 12:35:39 AM
ARE MY RULES OK?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16941a 3.png)
DSL 2.2
Heavyweight
Robot Wars Arena, 2min fight.
Gitch banned
Pop up banned
16 Entries
prizes
Winner get Stock,DSL and Ironforge Bots.
2nd get Stock and Ironforge Bots.
3rd get Stock Bots.
4th to last place get... umm..... failed stock bots.
i can ai but not very well, i sugget you to ai yourself.
DSL Standard/DSL-S
No custom components that do not come with a fresh DSL 2.2 install, this includes skinned components
Double Elimination
Standard Havok Rules(one restart)
Hybird are allowed
No cheatbot2
BFE (bot file editing) banned
Rule of 7 break allowed; other SergePatcher features are not
Multibot allowed

Match Test:
https://youtu.be/jWwJkL8jLtg
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on July 16, 2016, 12:37:41 AM
the bot must not be MEME THEMED

i don't think i can enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on July 16, 2016, 12:39:38 AM
the bot must not be MEME THEMED

i don't think i can enter
Removed the bot must not be MEME THEMED rules
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on July 16, 2016, 12:45:57 AM
the bot must not be MEME THEMED

i don't think i can enter
Removed the bot must not be MEME THEMED rules
Wen, you're the best.

As far as the rules go, it looks like you've covered everything.  I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "all glitch allowed" though.  The DSL-Standard ruleset would probably take care of anything too game-breaking, but you might want to consider removing that.  You also might want to add a rule banning BFE (bot file editing).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on July 16, 2016, 12:48:36 AM
the bot must not be MEME THEMED

i don't think i can enter
Removed the bot must not be MEME THEMED rules
Wen, you're the best.

As far as the rules go, it looks like you've covered everything.  I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "all glitch allowed" though.  The DSL-Standard ruleset would probably take care of anything too game-breaking, but you might want to consider removing that.  You also might want to add a rule banning BFE (bot file editing).
Gitch and BFE Banned added

also Multibot allowed
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on July 16, 2016, 04:33:00 AM
I think an "official" gtm tournament held on a quarterly or 4 monthly basis would be a great idea.

League rankings would be a bonus.

Would only help keep the community together.

Problem would be agreeing on the mod to use... that's the biggest divide I can see coming in 6 years later. I'm doubtful RA3 will become what we all want it to become any time soon.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 16, 2016, 06:46:57 AM
I think an "official" gtm tournament held on a quarterly or 4 monthly basis would be a great idea.
It'd have to be yearly/every 12 months for it to feel like a grand occasion. I fear participation will waver if people don't enter on the basis that they can enter again during the year.

Problem would be agreeing on the mod to use
The mod used will be used on rotation. The top two mods out of the main three will be cycled through, hopefully.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on July 16, 2016, 07:30:28 AM
ARE MY RULES OK?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16941a 3.png)
DSL 2.2
Heavyweight
Robot Wars Arena, 2min fight.
Gitch banned
Pop up banned
16 Entries
prizes
Winner get Stock,DSL and Ironforge Bots.
2nd get Stock and Ironforge Bots.
3rd get Stock Bots.
4th to last place get... umm..... failed stock bots.
i can ai but not very well, i sugget you to ai yourself.
DSL Standard/DSL-S
No custom components that do not come with a fresh DSL 2.2 install, this includes skinned components
Double Elimination
Standard Havok Rules(one restart)
Hybird are allowed
No cheatbot2
BFE (bot file editing) banned
Rule of 7 break allowed; other SergePatcher features are not
Multibot allowed

Match Test:
https://youtu.be/jWwJkL8jLtg
I guess I going to start TOURENMENT with this rules
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 16, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
Well, be sure to post the topic in Public Tournament Discussion, then. You can't start the tournament properly until you've got sufficient 'yes' votes.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on July 16, 2016, 08:52:24 AM
Well, be sure to post the topic in Public Tournament Discussion, then. You can't start the tournament properly until you've got sufficient 'yes' votes.
Ok
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on July 18, 2016, 09:34:20 AM
It'd have to be yearly/every 12 months for it to feel like a grand occasion. I fear participation will waver if people don't enter on the basis that they can enter again during the year.

Maybe six months?

I just think once a year would be too few, then again... the community seems quite a quiet one, maybe once a year would draw more people out? Maybe you are right.

The mod used will be used on rotation. The top two mods out of the main three will be cycled through, hopefully.

Good thinking.

Although this makes me think every 6 months/twice yearly would work better.

Every April Stock, Every October DSL for example? Then each mod is once a year still as I know some people (Me for one  :dumb)) like their particular mod and it would suck sitting one year out.

*Braces for "So learn DSL then" reply ;)*
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on July 18, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
I am deadset on it being a yearly tournament. Some people may actually want to learn or attempt to build in the given metagame for the year if they know they won't have another chance for another 12 months. Also, it may increase turnout and overall participation from stock-only and DSL-only people when their metagame finally does come around because they know they cannot afford to miss out on their specific metagame.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on July 25, 2016, 07:57:58 AM
Latest Idea:

Creative Clash.

Stock HW tourney.

SnS, Pop-ups and HS banned.

HS Hybrids allowed, but some form of nerf, i.e. no more than 2 ZTek motors could be used for the spinning weapon.

Would there be any interest?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: R01 on July 25, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
Latest Idea:

Creative Clash.

Stock HW tourney.

SnS, Pop-ups and HS banned.

HS Hybrids allowed, but some form of nerf, i.e. no more than 2 ZTek motors could be used for the spinning weapon.

Would there be any interest?
I'm up for any stock tournament, but would need a bit of time to design a new bot, also what arena?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on July 25, 2016, 09:30:59 AM

I'm up for any stock tournament, but would need a bit of time to design a new bot, also what arena?

I would too for sure, I go on holiday on the 21st August so I would either need to try and fit this in before, or finalise the details now and get it moving when I'm back.

As we're limiting weapons somewhat, maybe an arena that allowed for flippers to have some hope of winning by using an arena with low walls... Any suggestions?

Maybe Robot Wars arena with hazards disabled?

Are there any other similar ones to this? I seem to recall one of the BBEANS tournament stages was similar to this, or at least it is in my head.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: R01 on July 25, 2016, 09:37:36 AM

I'm up for any stock tournament, but would need a bit of time to design a new bot, also what arena?

I would too for sure, I go on holiday on the 21st August so I would either need to try and fit this in before, or finalise the details now and get it moving when I'm back.

As we're limiting weapons somewhat, maybe an arena that allowed for flippers to have some hope of winning by using an arena with low walls... Any suggestions?

Maybe Robot Wars arena with hazards disabled?

Are there any other similar ones to this? I seem to recall one of the BBEANS tournament stages was similar to this, or at least it is in my head.
Yeah, thought about the flippers, what about the ring arena?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hi5er on July 25, 2016, 10:46:57 AM
Yeah, thought about the flippers, what about the ring arena?

Haven't used that one before. Guessing it's a ring shape with short walls?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
Yeah, thought about the flippers, what about the ring arena?

Haven't used that one before. Guessing it's a ring shape with short walls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFzL1PPcOtg


^Match in the ring arena
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: botomatic1000 on July 25, 2016, 11:38:35 AM
I love that white one it has a nice racing theme.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
I love that white one it has a nice racing theme.
Ye, i modelled the paintjob after the 2006 toyota F1 car
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: botomatic1000 on July 25, 2016, 12:20:51 PM
F1 is rather boring in my opinion rally is far better and everyone knows Lancia are the rally kings!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/20614jump.jpg)
but anyways its getting rather off topic I may build another DSL bot one day lol.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
I used to watch rally, but it got pretty boring when Loeb was winning literally everything
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: botomatic1000 on July 25, 2016, 12:37:03 PM
yeah stick to group B and 80s-90s European rallycross. It is always McLaren or Mercedes winning F1 lol.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 09090901 on July 25, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
Latest Idea:

Creative Clash.

Stock HW tourney.

SnS, Pop-ups and HS banned.

HS Hybrids allowed, but some form of nerf, i.e. no more than 2 ZTek motors could be used for the spinning weapon.

Would there be any interest?
IMO, I would just limit the amount weapons HS can have on their tribars, popups could be OK as long they have to be hybrids, and SNS just can't use meltybrain.

One idea I had was to have a tournament that has a group of about three who would judge each entry, and then decide how generic or original it is. Then a majority vote would decide if the bot would be accepted or denied based on how original/generic it is.

There probably would be a little bit of bias in the vote, but as long as your run-of-the-mill 36hs and 5-6 ramplate popups aren't accepted I don't think it will be that bad.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: DeadGenocide on July 30, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
some should make a stock tournament where Cheatbot2 components are allowed
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on July 30, 2016, 12:18:29 PM
some should make a stock tournament where Cheatbot2 components are allowed

Wouldn't it be better if they were mandatory? Like, people have to use those weapons? Because I totally see someone choosing not to use the Cheatbot components and then going in with your average "imma break the game" popup or HS.

Regardless, I'd be interested in a tournament using Cheatbot2 components.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on July 30, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

Wouldn't it be better if they were mandatory? Like, people have to use those weapons? Because I totally see someone choosing not to use the Cheatbot components and then going in with your average "imma break the game" popup or HS.

Regardless, I'd be interested in a tournament using Cheatbot2 components.
good luck hitting a hovercraft with a popup, there is no rake in cheatbot2
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: DeadGenocide on July 30, 2016, 12:45:25 PM
Remember there are cannons and magnets in cheatbot2 so hovercrafts can be defeated from a bot on the ground.

but to be honest I'd say have every cheatbot2 component except for hovercraft because I think that could be a whole different tournament for hovercrafts :P
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: R01 on July 30, 2016, 12:49:23 PM
Remember there are cannons and magnets in cheatbot2 so hovercrafts can be defeated from a bot on the ground.

but to be honest I'd say have every cheatbot2 component except for hovercraft because I think that could be a whole different tournament for hovercrafts :P
Do Magnets actually work? They never did for me and the Cannon wouldn't do damage after a few shots for some odd reasons.

Wouldn't it be better if they were mandatory? Like, people have to use those weapons? Because I totally see someone choosing not to use the Cheatbot components and then going in with your average "imma break the game" popup or HS.

Regardless, I'd be interested in a tournament using Cheatbot2 components.
good luck hitting a hovercraft with a popup, there is no rake in cheatbot2
>needing cheatbot 2 to make a rake
(http://i.imgur.com/axTLCkw.png)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: DeadGenocide on July 30, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
Remember there are cannons and magnets in cheatbot2 so hovercrafts can be defeated from a bot on the ground.

but to be honest I'd say have every cheatbot2 component except for hovercraft because I think that could be a whole different tournament for hovercrafts :P
Do Magnets actually work? They never did for me and the Cannon wouldn't do damage after a few shots for some odd reasons.

ever heard of a thing called servo motors they help aiming a lot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: R01 on July 30, 2016, 01:13:07 PM
Remember there are cannons and magnets in cheatbot2 so hovercrafts can be defeated from a bot on the ground.

but to be honest I'd say have every cheatbot2 component except for hovercraft because I think that could be a whole different tournament for hovercrafts :P
Do Magnets actually work? They never did for me and the Cannon wouldn't do damage after a few shots for some odd reasons.

ever heard of a thing called servo motors they help aiming a lot.
Are you talking about the Cannon or Magnets here? Both have been on servos and like I said the cannon damage wouldn't register after a few shots, magnets would never actually pull or push something even against a LW.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: DeadGenocide on July 30, 2016, 01:22:11 PM
Remember there are cannons and magnets in cheatbot2 so hovercrafts can be defeated from a bot on the ground.

but to be honest I'd say have every cheatbot2 component except for hovercraft because I think that could be a whole different tournament for hovercrafts :P
Do Magnets actually work? They never did for me and the Cannon wouldn't do damage after a few shots for some odd reasons.

ever heard of a thing called servo motors they help aiming a lot.
Are you talking about the Cannon or Magnets here? Both have been on servos and like I said the cannon damage wouldn't register after a few shots, magnets would never actually pull or push something even against a LW.

are you using enough air tanks?
because both work for me fine
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Silverfish on July 31, 2016, 11:33:34 PM
An idea I've had is something to the tune of you have a set bot, but YOU have to code the ai pythons for it.
I don't know how to code these myself, I'll figure it out sometime here, but I was wondering if anyone else thought this was a good idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on August 02, 2016, 11:45:58 PM
For anyone who's had trouble adding polls to their tournament threads, the issue should be resolved.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on August 03, 2016, 01:14:48 AM
An idea I've had is something to the tune of you have a set bot, but YOU have to code the ai pythons for it.
I don't know how to code these myself, I'll figure it out sometime here, but I was wondering if anyone else thought this was a good idea.
no
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on August 03, 2016, 05:23:22 PM
Scrapheap Challenge 2, yes or no?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on August 03, 2016, 05:25:08 PM
Scrapheap Challenge 2, yes or no?
Yeah, sure.

Will it have the same rules or will it have a different weightclass and/or mod this time?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on August 03, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Scrapheap Challenge 2, yes or no?
Yeah, sure.

Will it have the same rules or will it have a different weightclass and/or mod this time?
Same "One of each component only." rule applies, otherwise it's not Scrapheap Challenge. Maybe DSL lightweight, maybe Ironforge somethingweight, it's been too long since I actually played the game to remember stuff.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gulden on August 21, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
How does one send a bot to join a tournament.
(Noob at forums ftw!)

Answered.   
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Silverfish on August 21, 2016, 07:42:14 PM
How does one send a bot to join a tournament.
(Noob at forums ftw!)
Just pm someone with a link to download your bot.
I personally like to use the bot exchange to send stuffs. Just upload it, then when you're done find it, right click, copy link address, and include that in your pm!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Probably Rob on August 21, 2016, 07:52:24 PM
And said Bot Exchange is here (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/page,page1887.html)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on August 21, 2016, 08:24:46 PM
How does one send a bot to join a tournament.
(Noob at forums ftw!)

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=17179.0
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2016, 07:37:41 PM
Superheavyweight Slamdown
Stock SHW (1200kg)
No pure HS/Popups
Meltybrain banned
Ring arena maybe idk

Thoughts? Would this garner enough interest?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: botomatic1000 on August 23, 2016, 07:51:27 PM
It's very good but unfortunately I'm not sure on how you make an SHW lol
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on August 23, 2016, 07:54:36 PM
I mean, I'd enter it.  Sounds simple enough.

It's very good but unfortunately I'm not sure on how you make an SHW lol
There should be a SHW antiballast which lowers your weight by 400 kg and when you remove it once you are done building, it can weigh around the maximum weight.  There should be a link to that somewhere.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: botomatic1000 on August 23, 2016, 08:08:19 PM
I have heard of it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Thrackerzod on August 23, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
I think sergepatcher lets you exceed the weight limit also
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Silverfish on August 23, 2016, 08:13:24 PM
Probably in on this...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
Another idea:

Everyone submits a chassis
I randomly assign a chassis to each person
You have to build with the chassis submitted to you
Hard Mode: I also assign you a random bot type.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Silverfish on August 23, 2016, 10:07:08 PM
Another idea:

Everyone submits a chassis
I randomly assign a chassis to each person
You have to build with the chassis submitted to you
Hard Mode: I also assign you a random bot type.


Make it stock and I'm in. Heck, make it, and I'm in. (though I'd prefer stock XD)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on August 23, 2016, 10:12:08 PM
hell yeah to the yeah
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on September 07, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
Anyone interested:
The BattleBots Reddit are running a DSL 2.2 IRL HW tournament.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlebots/comments/50smrw/redditbots_heavyweight_standard_2016_official/

They've made a point of 'no SnS' and 'only 2 sawblade' rules but... BFE isn't outlawed and neither is cheatbot2.
Time to go crazy.
Beta Hammer Crasp Drone incoming.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on September 22, 2016, 07:49:38 AM
BattleWens is down.
I talk something in discord and then
Got a new tourament idea.

Bot Type Wars:
This time will be stock.
Each entry will choose bot type and bot type chassis.
The bot type chassis will be 3 choice (or four or anything) (a Popup chassis will be Little Medium,Medium,Big and Very Big)
You can make a chassis yourself if you want, BUT need to check chassis size is little medium,medium,big and very big (or sometime around little very big)
If the people choosen a bot type, the people must choose a chassis (bot type chassis) Like Wedge and non-wedge (or make yourself a chassis), if the people choosen a chassis, then start building and sent to me
Meltybrain SnS,Trinity SnS and any that make no sense will be banned (sorry DarkNSit v1)(Meltybrain also banned)
Double Bracket. (Win and Lose Bracket)
Ring Arena BO3.
Hybrids allowed but Popup/Wammer are also allowed, HS/VS/Hammer/Poker is banned (being SHW)
250.0-800.0 Middleavyweight
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on September 23, 2016, 02:51:54 AM
Another idea:
Boxing Bots:
Ironforge 1.1 MW,HW and SHW
Ring Arena
Poker,HS,Popup,Hammer,SideHammer,SnS (is allowed but meltybrain banned),Hammer and VS are allowed this this.
Hammer 20kg is allowed but some other weapon are also allowed
Hybrids allowed but I will check.
Double Bracket

Little Chassis Clash:
DSL 2.2 Heavyweight
All the bot much build form this chassis (coming soon)
Bracket system will be People Choice's Bracket System
BBEANS Arena v1 Hazard on
BO3

Clone Robot Go Go!:
Stock anyweight
You must choose which bot to clone form ai pack, showcase and anywhere.
Ring Arena BO3
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2016, 06:34:08 AM
Another idea:
Boxing Bots:
Ironforge 1.1 MW,HW and SHW
Ring Arena
Poker,HS,Popup,Hammer,SideHammer,SnS (is allowed but meltybrain banned),Hammer and VS are allowed this this.
Hammer will be no limit use, but all of the weapon (expect hammer) has 15 per use limits.
Hybrids allowed but I will check.
Double Bracket

Little Chassis Clash:
DSL 2.2 Heavyweight
All the bot much build form this chassis (coming soon)
Bracket system will be People Choice's Bracket System
BBEANS Arena v1 Hazard on
BO3

Clone Robot Go Go!:
Stock anyweight
You must choose which bot to clone form ai pack, showcase and anywhere.
Ring Arena BO3
Boxing bots:
Could be cool, but 15 of any weapon is too much, nobody is spamming 15 of a weapon component in IF. Maybe make it so you're only allowed the 25kg(?) boxing glove hammer as well?


Little Chassis Clash sounds identical to the Clone Clash tournament I did


Clone Robot Go Go sounds like that one tournament geice is hosting
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on September 25, 2016, 05:22:38 PM
I know this is surely wrong time but will anyone be hosting any tournaments with DSL 2.2? I know that Craaig and RC are holding ones.. anyone else?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on September 30, 2016, 03:20:14 AM
I am thinking new idea.

Wen Wars:
Stock, DSL and Ironforge MW
Anyone must use wen avatar as decal for Robot:
(https://gametechmods.com/forums/avatar_uploads/avatar_7551_1472134764.jpg)
If you didn't include one, I will add it for you.
No SnS Trinity
BBEANS Arena v2 (Reskined)
BO3

BeetleDerby:
Beetleweight Ironforge.
DSL S
No SnS.
Ring Arena BO1
Points System
3 Points for win
-1 Points for lost
0 Points for tie
Hovak Explosion second time = -10 points
Win a boss battle = 5 points
Lost a boss battle = -5 points
If the points is tie, 1v1.
If the robot hovak Explosion more, then out of the tourament.

Prize for these tourament idea (mine not you) is 200.0kg overweight allowed for winner.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on September 30, 2016, 07:50:36 AM
Wen, you always post ideas but never go through with them. Just go with whatever you think is best. You won't get anywhere if you're simply waiting for a standing ovation because of your idea.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on October 05, 2016, 03:52:49 PM
New idea!

3ds max bots wars!

Not sure how will it go but prolly on dsl 2.2

Max weight 1000 kg.

Again.. this is an idea!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2016, 03:54:13 PM
New idea!

3ds max bots wars!

Not sure how will it go but prolly on dsl 2.2

Max weight 1000 kg.

Again.. this is an idea!
what does 3ds max have to do with this? Do you even know how to AI bots? How do you expect to edit videos when you can't even crop screenshots?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on October 05, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
No... i meant for someone to host a damn tournament..i have a peanut of pc.. and 3ds max is for creating components... and for croping pics.. excuse me but i dont have that fancy adobe photoshop thingy.. and after croping it in ms paint it looks like crap.. all low res..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on October 05, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
what does 3ds max have to do with this?
did u know he has 3ds max. i sure didnt until he told us 20 times about how he cant get it to work.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2016, 04:04:42 PM
No... i meant for someone to host a damn tournament
Why would anyone spend their time to host your tournament idea for you?


and 3ds max is for creating components... and for croping pics.. excuse me but i dont have that fancy adobe photoshop thingy.. and after croping it in ms paint it looks like crap.. all low res..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on October 05, 2016, 04:05:18 PM
It was 30!



And i still dont kow how to make it work
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: wakkydude on October 05, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
So: would anyone get involved with a one-off stock full CF (excluding unlimited weight) tournament? It's a really, really stupid idea I've been sitting on for a while and would probably only ever work once, but I'm curious as to absolutely how far RA2 can be possibly pushed when the rules are lifted on component placement.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: apanx on October 05, 2016, 04:40:23 PM
CF hedgehog bot with indestructible razors attached to chassis pointing all directions. ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on October 05, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
So: would anyone get involved with a one-off stock full CF (excluding unlimited weight) tournament? It's a really, really stupid idea I've been sitting on for a while and would probably only ever work once, but I'm curious as to absolutely how far RA2 can be possibly pushed when the rules are lifted on component placement.
Oh god, that would be something else...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2016, 04:52:46 PM
wakkydude you should just host it. Pretty easy when you have literally 1 rule.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: wakkydude on October 06, 2016, 01:16:54 PM
wakkydude you should just host it. Pretty easy when you have literally 1 rule.

I will need to get to learning to AI but it's something I've wanted to do for a while anyway.

I'll definitely put this on my radar, but if anyone else wants the idea before I can get to it it's free.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on October 06, 2016, 01:19:34 PM
This is not specifically addressed to you, wakky, but I cannot stress enough, especially to any prospective hosts out there, how easy AI'ing is. You don't need to know how to code. You simply need to know what to copy and where to paste. It really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2016, 02:14:35 PM
This is not specifically addressed to you, wakky, but I cannot stress enough, especially to any prospective hosts out there, how easy AI'ing is. You don't need to know how to code. You simply need to know what to copy and where to paste. It really is as simple as that.
qft, it's super simple stuff.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 15, 2016, 07:45:02 AM
Okay, Kurt's gonna do a new tourneyament for you guys, I think it might;ve been done before but I can't remember. Here's the basic gist of it.

WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU...

DSL - Probably IRL again.
Weightclass - LW, MW, CW, and HW.

- 16 entrants in a Single Elimination bracket.
- Each entrant must send a four-strong team of robots that are pretty much the same. In Round One the Lightweights will get used, then in Round Two the Middleweights will get used, Round Three is Cruiserweights, and the Final is Heavyweights.
- Given that it's based around "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." it would make sense that way.

- Each robot must start of as a LW then slowly evolve at each weightclass it increases to.
- They must all look and function the same way, no adding a flywheel to the Cruiserweight version of a flipper robot.

Questions?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm down for editing this, but what's good? Ironforge or DSL, and IRL or Standard?

Another idea would be Keep Your Enemies Close 2, because sequels = easy
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: F1Krazy on October 15, 2016, 10:33:35 AM
Okay, Kurt's gonna do a new tourneyament for you guys, I think it might;ve been done before but I can't remember. Here's the basic gist of it.

WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU...

DSL - Probably IRL again.
Weightclass - LW, MW, CW, and HW.

- 16 entrants in a Single Elimination bracket.
- Each entrant must send a four-strong team of robots that are pretty much the same. In Round One the Lightweights will get used, then in Round Two the Middleweights will get used, Round Three is Cruiserweights, and the Final is Heavyweights.
- Given that it's based around "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." it would make sense that way.

- Each robot must start of as a LW then slowly evolve at each weightclass it increases to.
- They must all look and function the same way, no adding a flywheel to the Cruiserweight version of a flipper robot.

Questions?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm down for editing this, but what's good? Ironforge or DSL, and IRL or Standard?
That's a really good idea, I like it. I'd say DSL-IRL, if only because that's the metagame I'm best at.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: apanx on October 15, 2016, 11:08:48 AM
Guise, an awesome new idea, ordinary tournament, with a twist. The host removes a random component from the entries. Could be a battery, a wheel, a weapon.
Then the crippled bots fight it out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
Cripple Crash

bonus points for having a 3rd user controlled bot to fix break up boring matches
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 15, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Guise, an awesome new idea, ordinary tournament, with a twist. The host removes a random component from the entries. Could be a battery, a wheel, a weapon.
Then the crippled bots fight it out.
Control board.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: UberPyro on October 15, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
Okay, Kurt's gonna do a new tourneyament for you guys, I think it might;ve been done before but I can't remember. Here's the basic gist of it.

WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU...

DSL - Probably IRL again.
Weightclass - LW, MW, CW, and HW.

- 16 entrants in a Single Elimination bracket.
- Each entrant must send a four-strong team of robots that are pretty much the same. In Round One the Lightweights will get used, then in Round Two the Middleweights will get used, Round Three is Cruiserweights, and the Final is Heavyweights.
- Given that it's based around "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." it would make sense that way.

- Each robot must start of as a LW then slowly evolve at each weightclass it increases to.
- They must all look and function the same way, no adding a flywheel to the Cruiserweight version of a flipper robot.

Questions?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm down for editing this, but what's good? Ironforge or DSL, and IRL or Standard?

Another idea would be Keep Your Enemies Close 2, because sequels = easy

I agree, this is a great idea.
I only have experience in standard (so obviously that's what I prefer), but I'm only one person. Of course its up to the majority.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2016, 11:24:59 AM
Okay, Kurt's gonna do a new tourneyament for you guys, I think it might;ve been done before but I can't remember. Here's the basic gist of it.

WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU...

DSL - Probably IRL again.
Weightclass - LW, MW, CW, and HW.

- 16 entrants in a Single Elimination bracket.
- Each entrant must send a four-strong team of robots that are pretty much the same. In Round One the Lightweights will get used, then in Round Two the Middleweights will get used, Round Three is Cruiserweights, and the Final is Heavyweights.
- Given that it's based around "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." it would make sense that way.

- Each robot must start of as a LW then slowly evolve at each weightclass it increases to.
- They must all look and function the same way, no adding a flywheel to the Cruiserweight version of a flipper robot.

Questions?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm down for editing this, but what's good? Ironforge or DSL, and IRL or Standard?

Another idea would be Keep Your Enemies Close 2, because sequels = easy

I agree, this is a great idea.
I only have experience in standard (so obviously that's what I prefer), but I'm only one person. Let's see what the majority of people want.
I think a cool idea would be a round robin type deal similar to ironbot or whatever it was called, but when your HW dies you use the CW, when the CW dies you use the MW etc until your LW gets knocked out and you're out of the tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 15, 2016, 05:36:15 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/77603small.png)
Coming soon, to a discussion page near you...
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on November 18, 2016, 10:40:43 PM
I am thinking of Go to the new floor or die (GTTNFOD)
MW Stock
Unreal Rule
Arena will be a random arena
BO1
16 Entry
Glitch is allowed expect BFE, AMM and Hax Mode, which is banned.
Boring Gimmick:
Floor Bracket
Each Floor had Matches, Boss, Nothing and lose (lose mean you got eliminated)
there will be a difficult arena on each floor
If you lose the Matches or Boss Battle, you will go right.
if you win, you will go up.
If you go to Nothing floor, you will go up.
Boss will be reused form HeavyDerby's Boss.
floor example:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/20276expmale.png)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Baconus_Yum on November 20, 2016, 01:17:00 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jammy Dodger on November 20, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?
I second this. I to have an idea for a tournament, Clusterbot Mayhem, DSL 2.2 and IRL packs the idea is build 2 robots that weigh around 400, KGS and have them fight other clusterbots in the RA2 tournament arena. The Clusterbots must be IRL. Could someone host this as a tournament? 
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: UberPyro on November 20, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?

So basically we have to use random wheels as armor? Can we make the gimmick more interesting in some way?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?
I second this. I to have an idea for a tournament, Clusterbot Mayhem, DSL 2.2 and IRL packs the idea is build 2 robots that weigh around 400, KGS and have them fight other clusterbots in the RA2 tournament arena. The Clusterbots must be IRL. Could someone host this as a tournament?
Learn to AI and record your game and host it yourself. Nobody is going to host your tournament for you.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Baconus_Yum on November 20, 2016, 02:17:36 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?

So basically we have to use random wheels as armor? Can we make the gimmick more interesting in some way?

I never said that motors must have a wheel on them.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jammy Dodger on November 20, 2016, 02:23:57 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?
I second this. I to have an idea for a tournament, Clusterbot Mayhem, DSL 2.2 and IRL packs the idea is build 2 robots that weigh around 400, KGS and have them fight other clusterbots in the RA2 tournament arena. The Clusterbots must be IRL. Could someone host this as a tournament?
Learn to AI and record your game and host it yourself. Nobody is going to host your tournament for you.
They could take full credit.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on November 20, 2016, 02:24:30 PM
I don't know how much I have to preach this, but learning how to AI is super simple, especially with the abundance of tutorials out there. If you want a tournament idea done, it's fine if you want to simply leave ideas around for others to pick up, but the best way to get it done is by doing it yourself.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
I have an Idea, I can't really AI, I can get them prepared for AI, but not actually putting them as AI, and I would have to use Bandicam.

Anyways, my idea would be IRL DSL HW, BUT the amount of wheels MUST BE THE SAME as the amount of motors, including servos, burst motors, and hammer/flipper motors.

I might put this idea up in the air if people would want to host it, or maybe I could learn to AI, who knows?
I second this. I to have an idea for a tournament, Clusterbot Mayhem, DSL 2.2 and IRL packs the idea is build 2 robots that weigh around 400, KGS and have them fight other clusterbots in the RA2 tournament arena. The Clusterbots must be IRL. Could someone host this as a tournament?
Learn to AI and record your game and host it yourself. Nobody is going to host your tournament for you.
They could take full credit.
of course they would. Nobody wants to host someone else's idea. Learn to do it yourself, its SO easy
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 20, 2016, 04:11:59 PM
The last thing we need is another IRL tournament.  It's literally the cancer killing GTM.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2016, 04:12:35 PM
The last thing we need is another IRL tournament.  It's literally the cancer killing GTM.
QFT
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on November 20, 2016, 04:16:06 PM
The last thing we need is another IRL tournament.  It's literally the cancer killing GTM.
QFT
double qft
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on November 20, 2016, 05:16:54 PM
It's not exactly the cancer of GTM when two very large tournaments currently on-going (SoG and GTMRW) are IRL.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: doot on November 21, 2016, 02:55:28 AM
The last thing we need is another IRL tournament.  It's literally the cancer killing GTM.
Is that why its one of the most played metas currently and has brought in a group of new users? Nevermind that some of the biggest tournaments currently going on are IRL, too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Conraaa on November 21, 2016, 03:44:36 AM
We don't need less IRL tournaments, we just need more of everything else. Which is why i'm running an unrealistic HW Ironforge tournament. Let the IRL people do their thing while the rest of us play properly.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 21, 2016, 06:07:02 AM
Yo guys, who wants me to bring back one of my old series?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on November 21, 2016, 06:23:09 AM
chinese whispers retooled?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 21, 2016, 06:31:20 AM
chinese whispers retooled?
I hate retooled with a passion.
I've submitted a proposal going back to the original Chinese Whispers theme. DSL HW
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on November 21, 2016, 06:38:46 AM
i'm all for that.

i also think stock would end up being a beautiful cluster****  :dumb)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on November 21, 2016, 07:10:07 AM
1. What Conraaa said
2. Who is anyone to dictate how people play? If there is demand, which there clearly is, there shouldn't be people angry at tournaments happening. I honestly think the more people are interested in a meta, the more tournaments will happen just proportionally. The fact there are few dsl-s or whatever tournaments reflects the general lack of interest from the majority.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on November 21, 2016, 07:16:16 AM
People need to stop complaining about IRL. We've had this whinging for 3 years, possibly more, and IRL is not dying out any time soon. If you wish to support a meta, do a tournament for it or keep quiet with the complaints please because you won't change the majority's favorite meta by simple persuasion. Personally I find DSL-S obtuse and hard to get into, so i went to IRL and never came back, although i am not a good irl builder by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on November 21, 2016, 05:21:10 PM
People need to stop complaining about IRL. We've had this whinging for 3 years, possibly more, and IRL is not dying out any time soon. If you wish to support a meta, do a tournament for it or keep quiet with the complaints please because you won't change the majority's favorite meta by simple persuasion. Personally I find DSL-S obtuse and hard to get into, so i went to IRL and never came back, although i am not a good irl builder by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd have to agree. :beer:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 22, 2016, 09:02:14 AM
It's not exactly the cancer of GTM when two very large tournaments currently on-going (SoG and GTMRW) are IRL.
The fact that there are exactly two decent IRL tournaments out of all the ones we have merely proves my point.

People need to stop complaining about IRL. We've had this whinging for 3 years, possibly more, and IRL is not dying out any time soon. If you wish to support a meta, do a tournament for it or keep quiet with the complaints please because you won't change the majority's favorite meta by simple persuasion. Personally I find DSL-S obtuse and hard to get into, so i went to IRL and never came back, although i am not a good irl builder by any stretch of the imagination.
The fact that LRA2 feels the need to defend his favorite meta merely proves my point.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2016, 09:47:45 AM
People need to stop complaining about IRL. We've had this whinging for 3 years, possibly more, and IRL is not dying out any time soon. If you wish to support a meta, do a tournament for it or keep quiet with the complaints please because you won't change the majority's favorite meta by simple persuasion. Personally I find DSL-S obtuse and hard to get into, so i went to IRL and never came back, although i am not a good irl builder by any stretch of the imagination.
The fact that LRA2 feels the need to defend his favorite meta merely proves my point.
+1
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: doot on November 22, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
You don't like how there's many DSL IRL tournaments going on? Make a tournament yourself that doesn't have IRL. It is not that we need less IRL tournaments, like someone said, we need MORE of everything else. Get off your f***ing high horse and proclaiming IRL is the "cancer" of GTM, when in actuality, it really isn't. If anything, it's helped a rather dead site grow further.

The fact that LRA2 feels the need to defend his favorite meta merely proves my point.

"lol someone who is super-hated likes irl that automatically proves my point lolololoololol" F*** off with that mentality.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on November 22, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
There's no point in this discussion. If anyone continues it, I will see it as flame bait.

@Any prospective host, do whatever you want and @everyone else, join whatever you like and ignore whatever you don't.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: DeadGenocide on December 18, 2016, 09:42:47 AM
I should probably run a tournament where everything in RA2CF is allowed for sh**s and giggles
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 09, 2017, 06:54:00 AM
I've had a idea for a tourney after i do my first... Goodbye DSL 2.1

RULES!
DSL 2.1 DSL S HW (399-800)

No RA2CF or any of that stuff

You cant use stuff that was made after DSL 2.2 came out so DSC's pack isnt allowed

Entry's would be Unlimited

No re-entrys
Does this sound like a good idea?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Baconus_Yum on January 09, 2017, 06:56:20 AM
I've had a idea for a tourney after i do my first... Goodbye DSL 2.1

RULES!
DSL 2.1 DSL S HW (399-800)

No RA2CF or any of that stuff

You cant use stuff that was made after DSL 2.2 came out so DSC's pack isnt allowed

Entry's would be Unlimited

No re-entrys
Does this sound like a good idea?
Nobody (at least in my opinion) uses DSL 2.1 Anymore. Do you mean 2.2 where you can only use 2.1 parts?

Edit: Also, according to rules, you cannot have more than 16 people in your first 3 tourney (16 each tourney)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 09, 2017, 06:58:57 AM
I've had a idea for a tourney after i do my first... Goodbye DSL 2.1

RULES!
DSL 2.1 DSL S HW (399-800)

No RA2CF or any of that stuff

You cant use stuff that was made after DSL 2.2 came out so DSC's pack isnt allowed

Entry's would be Unlimited

No re-entrys
Does this sound like a good idea?
Nobody (at least in my opinion) uses DSL 2.1 Anymore. Do you mean 2.2 where you can only use 2.1 parts?
no i dont mean DSL 2.2 at all but its a good idea just that most stuff in DSL 2.2 is either weaker and stronger like the axes :/
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on January 09, 2017, 07:05:14 AM
...So? I don't see the appeal of using one unbalanced version instead of another.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Probably Rob on January 09, 2017, 07:06:30 AM
This tournament is just to appeal to Ty4er... I'm sorry, Ty4er. It's probably time to let it go, son
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 21, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
I have an idea for an tournament..
Metal Mayhem!
Meta DSL 2.2
Style; IRL (not strict)
arena: DSL Tournament arena
Battle format: three two way battles, heat final is a 3 way battle and may include a nasty surprise!
The only problem im facing is.. well this is my first tournament so i can only have 16 bots.. the tournament has 18 bots format..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
I have an idea for an tournament..
Metal Mayhem!
Meta DSL 2.2
Style; IRL (not strict)
arena: DSL Tournament arena
Battle format: three two way battles, heat final is a 3 way battle and may include a nasty surprise!
The only problem im facing is.. well this is my first tournament so i can only have 16 bots.. the tournament has 18 bots format..
If you ask yugitom/craig nicely they might allow you to bend the rules. If not you could just run 3 heats instead of 4
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 21, 2017, 03:02:10 PM
Or a wild card Rumble?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on January 21, 2017, 03:08:52 PM
Yeah, 18 is fine by me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 21, 2017, 04:11:46 PM
Yeah, 18 is fine by me.
Good... just to set-up my bcam.. my pc is kinda toaster.. just to reduce res to 1024X600 and record it in 480p..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 21, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
Yeah, 18 is fine by me.
Good... just to set-up my bcam.. my pc is kinda toaster.. just to reduce res to 1024X600 and record it in 480p..
Use OBS. No ugly watermark like bandicam (unless you have the full version of Bandicam that is)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on January 21, 2017, 05:26:42 PM
Can someone approve my event?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 22, 2017, 01:12:44 AM
Yeah, 18 is fine by me.
Good... just to set-up my bcam.. my pc is kinda toaster.. just to reduce res to 1024X600 and record it in 480p..
Use OBS. No ugly watermark like bandicam (unless you have the full version of Bandicam that is)
I have the full version... Proud owner...
Can someone approve my event?
No one will as yours tournamens are well.. idiotic....
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 22, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
DP! Gotta talk to someone.. and make a topic bout it..
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on April 15, 2017, 07:17:10 AM
Anyone got any recommendations for what editing software i should... procure if i was to run a tournament?

(or any free software that is not windows movie maker)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 07:38:43 AM
Anyone got any recommendations for what editing software i should... procure if i was to run a tournament?

(or any free software that is not windows movie maker)
Pirate Sony Vegas

If you don't wanna pirate, you may as well use WMM, its not that bad.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on April 15, 2017, 07:52:50 AM
eh, i downloaded a free software called VDSC Free Video Editor. sony vegas 30 day trial didn't appeal to me, and i'm too incompetent to know how to pirate without getting a thousand viruses.

thanks for answering though
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on April 16, 2017, 06:16:18 PM
New idea! Now this is just an idea, as i havent finished with the fiasco that is TGMRW.
DSL 2.2 IRL HW
32 entries
CB, CF7 and OBJ allowed
The only catch is that ill ban spinners..
Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on April 16, 2017, 06:17:26 PM
eh, i downloaded a free software called VDSC Free Video Editor. sony vegas 30 day trial didn't appeal to me, and i'm too incompetent to know how to pirate without getting a thousand viruses.

thanks for answering though
I use NCH Videopad. It's free and decent enough. better than WMM, has video/audio layers and more effects options. It might have chroma key but I can't remember.

Don't pirate.

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mecha on April 16, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Don't pirate.
why not?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on April 16, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Don't pirate.
why not?
inb4 something something "stealing" even though there's no scarcity involved in software.

edit: BTW avalanche, generally the top search results for such commonly torrented software are safe, but many keygens/cracks cause your anti-virus to ping with false positives. Common sense should keep you away from shady downloads.
I can't link to a torrent directly, but I can link you to search results for "sony vegas torrent". (https://www.google.com/search?q=sony+vegas+torrent&oq=sony+vegas+torrent&aqs=chrome..69i57.2875j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) You should know what to do from there. Just keep in mind that you will need P2P torrenting software to open .torrent files (I recomment Deluge (http://deluge-torrent.org/)).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on April 16, 2017, 06:36:59 PM
It's bad and will replace your bullets with chickens
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on April 16, 2017, 09:51:40 PM
Anyone got any recommendations for what editing software i should... procure if i was to run a tournament?

(or any free software that is not windows movie maker)

Oh, Me to,
Video Pad has a trail.
But it dies pretty quick.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on April 16, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
after ra2 mafia will be my next uber-tournament. it's been a while since i ran one of these and it's a lot larger than the last one was, almost 900 bots are currently in the roster.

if you haven't guessed yet this one's going to be stock mw. explains a lot doesnt it? :V
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Herpaderp64 on June 07, 2017, 05:23:11 AM
i need help ai'ing my bot whiplash for a super heavyweight tournament (first time i think a bot I've built is good enough to enter one) and was wondering 2 things one if someone could direct me to a good tutorial on how to go about doing so and 2 is there a way to ai in a way so that when whiplash is flipped the blade will then spin in the opposite direction to direction it was spinning the right way up?

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5059120170607111127_1.jpg)
(^whiplash^)(oh and for whats its worth im copyrighting my bots lol)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on June 07, 2017, 05:27:46 AM
Wrong thread to post this in, but use VertSpinner.py and wire the weapon motor to a forward/backward stick.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 13, 2017, 05:25:37 PM
I would like AI help on my event.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kill343gs on June 13, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
I would like AI help on my event.

You are required to know how to AI yourself if you are running a tournament. If you have specific AI related questions, please post them in technical support.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 12:28:12 AM
Ok, I have mastered Aing and this is the 1st vid when I 1st got it to work and will have another tommorow of 2 AI

Vid 1 the baked spinner was with AI https://youtu.be/Pg5GEPLkfsg?t=33s
Vid 2 for tomorrow. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UNyaHihKRTE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

So can I start my event now?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on June 22, 2017, 03:57:34 PM
C'mon give him a try, what can pawsibly go wrong?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
Thank you homie
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FightingBotInformal on June 22, 2017, 04:09:22 PM
Thank you homie
Ummm....I don't know why but that AI doesn't look right to me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 04:11:02 PM
mean to, I dont know what wrong.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FightingBotInformal on June 22, 2017, 04:12:35 PM
mean to, I dont know what wrong.
If you don't know what's wrong, then WHY DO THE ROBOTS WALL-HUG FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 04:13:34 PM
thats what i aint know,
maybe they like trump
But hey, whats a MEME tournament without MEME AI
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 22, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
The nose math in the bindings is wrong, if you post the bindings and the bots we can help you fix that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 04:17:57 PM
It is Math.pi*0.5
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on June 22, 2017, 04:23:31 PM
Actually from watching the video, it looks like you didn't name you controls for turning left and right correctly on the bots, the control should be named LeftRight.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 22, 2017, 04:25:02 PM
Maybe i mixed that up.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: toAst on July 27, 2017, 02:58:00 AM
probably a pipe dream but ive been thinking all day about a throwback tournament. no ai, just for fun and kicks. maybe bring back some classic elements of my favorite tournaments from like a decade ago (maybe a records table/challenge board style page like ra1 used to keep, or a traditional tournament including a nifty thing with robot profiles and fun junk like the old aceuplink mega-tourneys). not super serious, no bitching about lag (just drop out and shut up), just super seriously cool-looking and fun. i'd build a page for it that'd look something like a real robot competition's, maybe better. just for the flash and fun. it's been a long time, nobody plugs their computer into a phone-line anymore. keep it light or beetle for a test-run and see where it goes from there. i'll ****in' do it, would anyone join in?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: toAst on July 27, 2017, 03:03:49 AM
i was honestly going to spend my whole night demo-ing it out before i posted anything but i just spent my whole night reading about alaska half asleep god knows why. i blinked and its 4am
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
Guys, what do you think of allowing a host to set a minimum number of signups, so if they don't get the required number of entrants by end of signups they aren't forced to keep extending the deadline or run the tournament with byebots, and instead can cancel the tournament?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on July 30, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
think its ok, if the people dont like it, it does not need to go on.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on July 30, 2017, 07:22:11 PM
Guys, what do you think of allowing a host to set a minimum number of signups, so if they don't get the required number of entrants by end of signups they aren't forced to keep extending the deadline or run the tournament with byebots, and instead can cancel the tournament?
Eh, maybe.  It seems more like host error at that point to cancel the entire tournament.

Anyway, I've had an idea stirring up in my head for a while to try a tournament like this, but I'm not sure if I want to run it unless enough people really, REALLY want me to do it.  At the very least I'm just throwing the idea for whoever wants it.

RA2's Creed (Name most certainly a WIP):

The idea of the game is that every entrant is an Assassin.  No, these assassins aren't going to be making leaps of faith into haystacks, having humans with no faces, or using spike wrists for weapons.  The assassins here have a specific target that they must kill.  Once they kill their own target, they get a new target, and the game goes on from there.  The last man standing is the grand winner of the tournament.  That's basically it in terms of trying to win the game.  The catch?  Everyone's target is a secret, and only the host knows who's who needs to kill who.  Everyone also has to PM the host of who they are attacking.  If they win and the person they choose wasn't their target, then the target lives.  The good news?  If they choose their specific target that they must kill, than the target is officially eliminated.  Also, it's advised to be careful on who the person wants to attack.  It's a little tricky to explain this next bit, but put it this way: If Person 1 asked to attack Person 2, and Person 2 beat them, then Person 2 get the benefits and Person 1 could be potentially killed, or assist Person 2 find their assassin.  Because of all this, the host will not be entering, of course.  This was going to be a tricky tournament if I ever did it, but I was going to try and add some sort of spice or benefits to not make it completely random, but hopefully, the idea has gotten across without much confusion.

Again, just an idea.  I didn't plan on running it very soon, but just food for thought.  If anyone does want to take a crack at it, then you're more than welcome to.  I'd try this in a display tournament first, but I don't see how I can.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mr. AS on July 30, 2017, 10:14:33 PM
If you don't know your target at all, isn't it effectively random? Since you're still taking pot shots in the dark until you get the correct guy.

Maybe give people hints, or list 3-5 people off and say that one of them is the target.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: toAst on August 08, 2017, 02:14:08 AM
so is nobody at all interested in this tournament idea or is it just nobody reads this thread  :ouch:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on August 08, 2017, 07:33:08 AM
The easiest way to get your idea attention is to make a thread about it. This thread is slow looking.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: playzooki on August 10, 2017, 10:52:18 AM
I'd join if i could, though timezones might be an issue
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on August 17, 2017, 02:28:38 PM
 Anyone can host this (considering that they finished previous tournament, and know how to host one)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332463032708104192/347823271162544128/Screenshot_2017-08-17-21-24-23-1.png)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheOrcCorp on August 17, 2017, 03:00:47 PM
Anyone can host this (considering that they finished previous tournament, and know how to host one)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332463032708104192/347823271162544128/Screenshot_2017-08-17-21-24-23-1.png)

Now this is a neat idea! I'd take part in this in a heartbeat!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on September 15, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
What should my next tournament be? Scrapheap Challenge 3, What Doesn't Kill You 2, Keep Your Enemies Close 2 or something brand new?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: jdg37 on September 15, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
For the unfamiliar like myself, what would differentiate each of those?  WDKY was multi weight class father/son style right? Others I'm less familiar with.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on September 15, 2017, 03:17:15 PM
Check my sig for links to each tournament.

Scrapheap Challenge: Only one of each component allowed.
What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger: First round is LW, second round is MW, keeps on increasing.
Keep Your Enemies Close: Tag Team tournament where the teams are randomised after each round.
Something brand new: Gimme some ideas.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on September 15, 2017, 03:25:39 PM
rip off conraaaaaas home and away, each bot has a "home" arena with round robin format in which each bot has a home against an opponent and an away match against the same opponent. would be a lot of matches though even for a 16 bot tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on September 15, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
Scrapheap challenge, DSL-IRL SHW

A tournament like WDKYMYS, but the twist is that every robot is built from pre-specified class/type combination (like LW VS, MW Poker, ect.)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gulden on September 15, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Swiss army training maybe?  Wasn't that a thing in your hands.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on September 15, 2017, 04:26:23 PM
Swiss army training maybe?  Wasn't that a thing in your hands.
Oh yeah, so it was. Swiss Army Training for my tenth tournament, but that doesn't stop y'all from contributing towards my eleventh. :dumb)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on September 22, 2017, 08:11:35 AM
I feel like running a tournament. I also feel too lazy to make my own rules. If anybody has any favourite cancelled or abandoned tournament they'd like to see taken over finished, let me know. I'll see what the consensus is and I'll finish or reboot the tournament, depending on if enough of the original entries are obtainable.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2017, 03:42:09 PM
I feel like running a tournament. I also feel too lazy to make my own rules. If anybody has any favourite cancelled or abandoned tournament they'd like to see taken over finished, let me know. I'll see what the consensus is and I'll finish or reboot the tournament, depending on if enough of the original entries are obtainable.
I've been having a few ideas:
LvD but with 3/4 teams
DSL-S SHW tournament
KOTH or sumo tournament
Secret santa/chinese whispers crossover, a bot is passed along with the 1st person choosing # of wheels, next chooses weapon system etc and the last person it lands on has to build it. idk if I explained it well but I can elaborate
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Avalanche on September 22, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
I feel like running a tournament. I also feel too lazy to make my own rules. If anybody has any favourite cancelled or abandoned tournament they'd like to see taken over finished, let me know. I'll see what the consensus is and I'll finish or reboot the tournament, depending on if enough of the original entries are obtainable.
I've been having a few ideas:
LvD but with 3/4 teams

YES.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on September 22, 2017, 03:53:07 PM
I feel like running a tournament. I also feel too lazy to make my own rules. If anybody has any favourite cancelled or abandoned tournament they'd like to see taken over finished, let me know. I'll see what the consensus is and I'll finish or reboot the tournament, depending on if enough of the original entries are obtainable.
I've been having a few ideas:
LvD but with 3/4 teams
DSL-S SHW tournament
KOTH or sumo tournament
Secret santa/chinese whispers crossover, a bot is passed along with the 1st person choosing # of wheels, next chooses weapon system etc and the last person it lands on has to build it. idk if I explained it well but I can elaborate

That last one, oof sign me up
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on September 22, 2017, 04:15:30 PM
Secret santa/chinese whispers crossover, a bot is passed along with the 1st person choosing # of wheels, next chooses weapon system etc and the last person it lands on has to build it. idk if I explained it well but I can elaborate
You mean like this? If so, I'm down for it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
Secret santa/chinese whispers crossover, a bot is passed along with the 1st person choosing # of wheels, next chooses weapon system etc and the last person it lands on has to build it. idk if I explained it well but I can elaborate
You mean like this?
exactly, preferably with more categories.
Title: A discussion on the outdated rules of display tourneys
Post by: Hoppin on October 07, 2017, 06:07:06 AM
So I was thinking about what needs to be updated in the display tourney thread.

1. Allowing the display of who built what bot. This does 2 things, 1. Used as a production means when using splashes/battlecards. 2. Saves the person from creatung a massive thank you list at the end and can easially display to the viewer who did what and not make them look for it.

2. Must post videos showing the tourney, this just makes sense... if you dont post videos of it, you can just run it in your own time.

3. Deadlines. Consistant updates, simply to make sure nothing gets left unfinished.

And I think display tourneys should be a place for people to have tourneys that are outside of GTM even with members competiting, they also can act as unofficial tourneys. Ive done mine as an almost practice run to get better at editing and what not.

Feel free to disagree with this, I think its a good idea to raise a disscussion for this.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on October 07, 2017, 06:26:18 AM
Okay so I'm gonna come in and play bad cop here.

What you're suggesting is essentially just regular GTM tournaments, but only open to certain people.
If a tournament on GTM grounds is taking entries, it cannot be discriminative of what groups of people or where you're taking entries from. People can't be left out just because they're not in a certain server/group/whatever.
You're of course welcome to host these but they're not GTM-sanctioned tournaments so shouldn't really be in the GTM Tournament section.

My idea for the display tournament section is to remove it entirely and move everything in there to Off-Topic, but that's me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: jdg37 on October 07, 2017, 10:50:23 AM
At this point, what is the benefit of running “official” vs display tournaments?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on October 07, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
In what sense?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kill343gs on October 07, 2017, 12:35:47 PM
As currently written, display tournaments are specifically not to accept entrants of any kind. This was written at a point in time where we were essentially the only community involved with RA2. With the recent instances of redditbots, banter wars, etc, we feel as though this deserves a rewrite to accommodate these additional avenues of RA2 content that are not centered around GTM. We are currently in discussions on how best to bring you the best of both worlds.

We run our tournament section the way we do because we want to guarantee to you that your time won't be wasted when a tournament isn't finished or is run improperly or unfairly. We have staff that are specifically dedicated to ensuring that these run smoothly and in a reasonable amount of time.

For a game as old as this, we think it's important that we, in some way, shape or form, offer a platform for people to share and enjoy any content that relates to it. We hope to find a balance between the two sides to this issue.

Please understand that this is an issue that has just now gained our attention. I'm not interested in making sweeping decisions by myself or with minimal input. I don't always have the best answers for everything. I'm dedicated to making sure the staff as a whole gets a chance to be involved with these decisions, so they take a few days sometimes. In the meantime, we ask you to please respect the rules that are currently in place.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheOrcCorp on October 07, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
Okay so I'm gonna come in and play bad cop here.

What you're suggesting is essentially just regular GTM tournaments, but only open to certain people.
If a tournament on GTM grounds is taking entries, it cannot be discriminative of what groups of people or where you're taking entries from. People can't be left out just because they're not in a certain server/group/whatever.
You're of course welcome to host these but they're not GTM-sanctioned tournaments so shouldn't really be in the GTM Tournament section.

My idea for the display tournament section is to remove it entirely and move everything in there to Off-Topic, but that's me.
As currently written, display tournaments are specifically not to accept entrants of any kind. This was written at a point in time where we were essentially the only community involved with RA2. With the recent instances of redditbots, banter wars, etc, we feel as though this deserves a rewrite to accommodate these additional avenues of RA2 content that are not centered around GTM. We are currently in discussions on how best to bring you the best of both worlds.

We run our tournament section the way we do because we want to guarantee to you that your time won't be wasted when a tournament isn't finished or is run improperly or unfairly. We have staff that are specifically dedicated to ensuring that these run smoothly and in a reasonable amount of time.

For a game as old as this, we think it's important that we, in some way, shape or form, offer a platform for people to share and enjoy any content that relates to it. We hope to find a balance between the two sides to this issue.

Please understand that this is an issue that has just now gained our attention. I'm not interested in making sweeping decisions by myself or with minimal input. I don't always have the best answers for everything. I'm dedicated to making sure the staff as a whole gets a chance to be involved with these decisions, so they take a few days sometimes. In the meantime, we ask you to please respect the rules that are currently in place.

If you don't mind me just saying a few words about all of this.

Firstly to Ceph: I don't see where Hoppin suggested tourneys for select/certain people. As far as I can tell, neither Ironbound or Orc's Wars were discriminative with who entered. True that they aren't GTM tourneys per se and it could be better if they have a place on the side. Like Hoppin said, I did Orc's Wars to practice as I didn't want to just jump into an official GTM tourney and bugger things up while showcasing everyone else's robots at the same time. People deserve to know who made certain bots as it gets people to check out showcases for inspiration...for example, Dominotrix by Kurt in DemonOfTomorrow's Annhilation Nation: if it wasn't for that tourney, I wouldn't have known about it OR would I have joined GTM to learn and talk to the people here. I also should thank Banter Wars for that too. In any case, we should be allowed to thank/reveal the people who sent robots to these tourneys, official or not. It's only polite after all! However these side-tourneys shouldn't be classed as off-topic, they are related to RA2, a game we all love and should have a home somewhere if possible.

Kill: That sounds a lot more reasonable. I'll continue posting in the Off-Topic but the fact it was so sudden kinda disheartened me. I don't fully agree with why it was moved but on the flip side, I'm happy this topic is being looked at. I hope this gets sorted soon and I hope tourneys like this don't just get brushed off to the side and forgotten about. Me and Hoppin have spent ages planning these out and while they may not net us host points or whatever, we did them because we wanted to and this is kind of a slap to the face. We want to improve our talents before going off into proper hosting, showcase some great robots and overall have fun!

Thanks for reading guys! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kill343gs on October 07, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
Firstly to Ceph:  However these side-tourneys shouldn't be classed as off-topic, they are related to RA2, a game we all love and should have a home somewhere if possible.

Kill: That sounds a lot more reasonable. I'll continue posting in the Off-Topic but the fact it was so sudden kinda disheartened me. I don't fully agree with why it was moved but on the flip side, I'm happy this topic is being looked at.

I totally get where you're coming from. To clarify, I stumbled upon this issue when I hopped on discord briefly before going to sleep last night at 3am, so this was fairly sudden for us as well, and we weren't all around to make final decisions. As previously written, all would have simply been deleted and we would have gone on with our lives, but given the circumstance we felt we could at least let them continue elsewhere for the time being while we get things sorted out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: cephalopod on October 07, 2017, 01:59:51 PM
Firstly to Ceph: I don't see where Hoppin suggested tourneys for select/certain people. As far as I can tell, neither Ironbound or Orc's Wars were discriminative with who entered. True that they aren't GTM tourneys per se and it could be better if they have a place on the side.

If it's a tournament on GTM, and it's not open to *all* GTM users but only certain circles...

I mean I had no chance to enter either so
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheOrcCorp on October 07, 2017, 02:06:40 PM
Firstly to Ceph: I don't see where Hoppin suggested tourneys for select/certain people. As far as I can tell, neither Ironbound or Orc's Wars were discriminative with who entered. True that they aren't GTM tourneys per se and it could be better if they have a place on the side.

If it's a tournament on GTM, and it's not open to *all* GTM users but only certain circles...

I mean I had no chance to enter either so

Wasn't a certain circle for Orc's Wars, I asked others on GTM and outside of it but didn't want everyone involved as it was a test and didn't want to screw loads of people around (which fortunately so far, doesn't seem to be the case). I wouldn't have been able to ask people to join in the Personal Tournament section anyway from what I can gather. Maybe I could, I don't know and the rules aren't exactly clear/modern which is why it's being looked at now thankfully. In any case, you're more than welcome to enter the next tourney I do, IF I do one. :smile:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 18, 2018, 04:19:39 PM
We've been playing with Parsec, a screen-sharing client that Badnik linked in the thread. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/discussion/important-this-will-save-ra2/) Long story short, initial results seem to indicate that it works. I don't want to jump the gun and say it's flawless in every way without more testing, but today I played S_M across the atlantic US-UK and was very competitive with maybe a few hundred ping and the occasional lag spike that lasted a second or so. If you know how awful hamachi was, this will blow your mind how good it seems so far.
In a US-US match I imagine the lag will be low enough to have actual competitive matches. We need to test it a bit more but I'm gonna throw this post out there in the mean time.

I want to do an tournament that has live players instead of AI controlling the bots. If Parsec continues to deliver, this could work.

There are a couple of drawbacks. The way Parsec works is it's basically like a screen-sharing software like teamviewer. Basically one person hosts the match and one or more people connect to the computer. Everyone technically controls the keyboard and mouse at the same time on the host's pc - once he has enabled it.
This might scare some people and is pretty trust-based. Technically a player could screw over another by pressing his controls. Thankfully there seems to be little risk of someone actually hijacking someone else's PC since the host has key commands to enable and disable all inputs but his own. I wouldn't bother enabling inputs until the match has started, then disable them once the match ends if I was the host.
There also is a bit of a trust issue in that the host would have to have all competing robots on his PC and could theoretically tamper with them. There's not really a way around this except for just trusting the host. Then again, AI tournaments are pretty much the same thing.

That said, I am willing to give it a shot. I want to test it with some US players first to see how bad the latency is, but I really want to do a tournament with this. It could open up a huge assortment of building techniques etc once human drivers are common like I posted in the thread. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/discussion/important-this-will-save-ra2/)


----------
Basically what I am thinking, subject to change with feedback:
8 bots, 1v1, bo3, double elimination. Let's start small & basic.
Ironforge MW/HW. Standard rules, no RA2CF, BFE, etc. Just for the competitive angle.
Octagon Arena. One of the benefits of human driving is that we aren't stupid and can dodge hazards. I'm going to take advantage of it.
US entrants only. Sorry to the others. Let's keep the lag to a minimum, at least for now.

I will host. Right now I'm located in Arkansas, which actually is a pretty good spot with how central it is in the US- should help latency ideally.
Everyone would send their robots to me, and I would of course check to make sure they're legal. Since both parties need to have controls that could be played on the same keyboard, I would make 2 copies of the robots with one controlled with WASD and one with arrow keys (and maybe one with numpad if people want it). I'd tell each player which control scheme he got before the match.

2 people would join my stream and start the 1v1 while I record the matches. Not everyone necessarily has to do their matches at the same time, a single round taking place over a few days may be the best we can do. We'll have to play it by ear. If one person begins to take an unacceptably long time to join a match, they will forfeit a round.

If I find people screwing with others controls during a match, they will forfeit a round. Once is an accident. Twice gets a forfeit.

Once I got all the bots I would make the standard splashes and brackets and such. Preferably in a PM people would tell me what days & times they would be free along with their timezone.





Any major things I missed? Suggestions are welcome. I'm pumped.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on January 18, 2018, 04:27:48 PM
We've been playing with Parsec, a screen-sharing client that Badnik linked in the thread. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/discussion/important-this-will-save-ra2/) Long story short, initial results seem to indicate that it works. I don't want to jump the gun and say it's flawless in every way without more testing, but today I played S_M across the atlantic US-UK and was very competitive with maybe a few hundred ping and the occasional lag spike that lasted a second or so. If you know how awful hamachi was, this will blow your mind how good it seems so far.
In a US-US match I imagine the lag will be low enough to have actual competitive matches. We need to test it a bit more but I'm gonna throw this post out there in the mean time.

I want to do an tournament that has live players instead of AI controlling the bots. If Parsec continues to deliver, this could work.

There are a couple of drawbacks. The way Parsec works is it's basically like a screen-sharing software like teamviewer. Basically one person hosts the match and one or more people connect to the computer. Everyone technically controls the keyboard and mouse at the same time on the host's pc - once he has enabled it.
This might scare some people and is pretty trust-based. Technically a player could screw over another by pressing his controls. Thankfully there seems to be little risk of someone actually hijacking someone else's PC since the host has key commands to enable and disable all inputs but his own. I wouldn't bother enabling inputs until the match has started, then disable them once the match ends if I was the host.
There also is a bit of a trust issue in that the host would have to have all competing robots on his PC and could theoretically tamper with them. There's not really a way around this except for just trusting the host. Then again, AI tournaments are pretty much the same thing.

That said, I am willing to give it a shot. I want to test it with some US players first to see how bad the latency is, but I really want to do a tournament with this. It could open up a huge assortment of building techniques etc once human drivers are common like I posted in the thread. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/discussion/important-this-will-save-ra2/)


----------
Basically what I am thinking, subject to change with feedback:
8 bots, 1v1, bo3, double elimination. Let's start small & basic.
Ironforge MW/HW. Standard rules, no RA2CF, BFE, etc. Just for the competitive angle.
Octagon Arena. One of the benefits of human driving is that we aren't stupid and can dodge hazards. I'm going to take advantage of it.
US entrants only. Sorry to the others. Let's keep the lag to a minimum, at least for now.

I will host. Right now I'm located in Arkansas, which actually is a pretty good spot with how central it is in the US- should help latency ideally.
Everyone would send their robots to me, and I would of course check to make sure they're legal. Since both parties need to have controls that could be played on the same keyboard, I would make 2 copies of the robots with one controlled with WASD and one with arrow keys (and maybe one with numpad if people want it). I'd tell each player which control scheme he got before the match.

2 people would join my stream and start the 1v1 while I record the matches. Not everyone necessarily has to do their matches at the same time, a single round taking place over a few days may be the best we can do. We'll have to play it by ear. If one person begins to take an unacceptably long time to join a match, they will forfeit a round.

If I find people screwing with others controls during a match, they will forfeit a round. Once is an accident. Twice gets a forfeit.

Once I got all the bots I would make the standard splashes and brackets and such. Preferably in a PM people would tell me what days & times they would be free along with their timezone.





Any major things I missed? Suggestions are welcome. I'm pumped.

I really like the idea of this, but given if parsec takes of I think it'd be great to get a good practice for timezones for bigger tournies that use it. But other than that I really like it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on January 18, 2018, 04:51:16 PM
count me in for that, reier
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mouldy on January 18, 2018, 05:24:26 PM
Damn it, lad. You've beaten me to it.

Well, I was going to keep it a secret but me, Yugi, Robo, Georgethejedi, Zarconite and Moully have all been playing using Parsec today. We have actually recorded a Series 10 Robot Wars style heat using 6 robots and house robots. Hopefully, Robo will be able to edit it and show you all soon.

So me and Yugi have been talking about how we'd do a tournement and looking how you've laid it out (Reier), it is similar to how we did it.

Here's my example of the one we did earlier:

Robot Wars RA2 Mod - Choose a HW from the pack.
1 Heat of featuring 6 different robots.
New Robot Wars Arena
Two Designated people are house robots (who aren't competing in the tournament) use Shunt and Matilda.
Series 10 Style heat:
Two 3 Robot rumble - 2 winners from each round (One house robot).
Redemption battles - 2 winners from each (One house robot).
Semi-final fights (One house robot).
Final (Two house robot).
No region lock. From my experience, cross-atlantic has worked without any lag so far. Of course, going further may result in some lag but its yet to be proved.
Anyone found touching controls while not in their battle will be automatically DQ'ed. This is serious stuff. No chances can be taken. Hands NEED to be away from the keyboard if you aren't fighting. This should also be reported to a moderator if it becomes serious.
If found being AFK for 10 minutes when you're down to fight, you'll forfeit the match.

Moreover, a few things to consider if people want to make tournements online.
1. There is a risk to doing this. Your computer is at risk when you do this. You can disable/enable controls for all people using a hotkey which is useful to use if there is an emergency.
2. If you are paranoid, make a new login user, don't make it an administrator and make sure your own login is password protected.
3. The different ways of doing tournements that are possible with this:

4. You need Windows 8 or above to host. If you don't have 8 or above or you're not comfortable with hosting then you could do the following:


That's my two cents on it. Feel free to throw in more.

In addition, I recommend you go, make an account and upvote this as it would be extremely useful. (A feautre to see all user inputs).
https://support.parsecgaming.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360000051212-User-inputs
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 05:58:46 PM
So are these tournaments being attempted in one go? I would assume that for longer or more important events it would a better idea to hold the matches within a timing window (one week, ten days, ect.), in order to make sure people don't have to choose between RA2 or life.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badnik96 on January 18, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
i agree with that, we should be able to arrange fights when it's feasible for us

that being said, we can usually bang out gmod tournaments on a saturday afternoon so theres no reason why we couldnt on ra2
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mouldy on January 18, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
So are these tournaments being attempted in one go? I would assume that for longer or more important events it would a better idea to hold the matches within a timing window (one week, ten days, ect.), in order to make sure people don't have to choose between RA2 or life.

No no- we were able to hold ours in one day because of the amount of people. If you've got a larger tournement then yes, you can have matches whenever it is specified (as long as it fits in with the current tournement rules I assume).
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
So are these tournaments being attempted in one go? I would assume that for longer or more important events it would a better idea to hold the matches within a timing window (one week, ten days, ect.), in order to make sure people don't have to choose between RA2 or life.

No no- we were able to hold ours in one day because of the amount of people. If you've got a larger tournement then yes, you can have matches whenever it is specified (as long as it fits in with the current tournement rules I assume).

i agree with that, we should be able to arrange fights when it's feasible for us

that being said, we can usually bang out gmod tournaments on a saturday afternoon so theres no reason why we couldnt on ra2

That is valid. I only asked because I remember the official RA2 tournaments held matches based on the players' timing. Of course, those were a big deal at the time and so I guess casual events can just take place in a day without trouble.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on January 18, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
i WANNA play online
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on January 18, 2018, 06:47:11 PM
One problem with online tournaments is the fact that, if someone outside the fight presses a key, it's untraceable. Even if everyone in a tournament is deemed trustworthy and not a minge, if something goes genuinely wrong in the game or a driver makes a mistake, it's easy to immediately begin pointing fingers. Try up-voting Mouldy's suggestion as much as you can, as it's vital to running fair tournaments.

Not to mention that people won't have freedom of choice when it comes to controls. If two guys, let's even say in the finals, have the exact same control set-up, one of them has to bite the bullet and use something they're not used to. If that person ends up losing, how can we tell if it was because of that or not? That driver can also easily complain that was the reason they lost.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 07:01:35 PM
One problem with online tournaments is the fact that, if someone outside the fight presses a key, it's untraceable.
Then limit the number of people who can physically press keys

Try up-voting Mouldy's suggestion as much as you can
oof

Not to mention that people won't have freedom of choice when it comes to controls. If two guys, let's even say in the finals, have the exact same control set-up, one of them has to bite the bullet and use something they're not used to. If that person ends up losing, how can we tell if it was because of that or not?
Most robots are versatile with controls. If I'm wrong and it's just my robots that can have multiple schemes, then my controls can be changed by the organizer before others.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on January 18, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
Actually, I was under the impression you couldn't be selective when it comes to picking those that can press keys, but I think it was Jason being lazy. Even so, the point stands that, if one guy ****s up, he could blame it on his opponent pressing his buttons or the host rigging it.

Most robots are versatile with controls. If I'm wrong and it's just my robots that can have multiple schemes, then my controls can be changed by the organizer before others.
I don't really get this
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 07:12:29 PM
Actually, I was under the impression you couldn't be selective when it comes to picking those that can press keys, but I think it was Jason being lazy. Even so, the point stands that, if one guy ****s up, he could blame it on his opponent pressing his buttons or the host rigging it.

I just meant that keeping as few people in a server at one time as possible reduces the total numbers of suspects for a button press.

As for blaming the host, you don't see people blame the host (U AID IT WRONG) often, do you?

I don't really get this

If two robots use a similar control scheme, you should probably be able to change one user's scheme without issues appearing.

Edit: It goes without saying, but you should tell someone that's the controls were changed, or let them set up the new bindings.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on January 18, 2018, 08:03:40 PM
I just meant that keeping as few people in a server at one time as possible reduces the total numbers of suspects for a button press.

As for blaming the host, you don't see people blame the host (U AID IT WRONG) often, do you?
Well, limiting the amount of people it could have been doesn't solve the problem. Also, "you AI'd it wrong" and "you pressed my flipper button during my match" are two different things. With AI, it's immediately evident who's in the wrong.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on January 18, 2018, 08:08:49 PM
Well, assuming what I'm reading is correct, I could probably get away with multiple control schemes, (Arrow Keys, WASD, and even my PS4 controller), so this shouldn't be an issue for me.  Still I'm kinda skimming this at the moment, so correct me if I'm missing the point entirely.

Still, I'd love to actually partake in this since I don't even think I've done RA2 Online even once.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: NeonCalypso on January 18, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
I like this idea tbh, makes useless bot types actually useful, and no more BS created by the AI.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on January 19, 2018, 03:12:03 AM
that could be a cool thing, also i can still use my GMod bots control scheme (IJKL for drive, O, P and M for weapon(s)) so the keys problem shouldn't be too big of a deal
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mouldy on January 19, 2018, 03:14:06 AM
that could be a cool thing, also i can still use my GMod bots control scheme (IJKL for drive, O, P and M for weapon(s)) so the keys problem shouldn't be too big of a deal

It'd be on a tournement by tournement basis with what control-schemes are used for each person.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on January 19, 2018, 07:37:21 AM
eh, fair point
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on January 19, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
but i thought of a problem.
usa only means no  wen!

Also, What if that nividia thing does not work on all are computers?
 :vista:

And arnt you vunerible to getting hacked?

Cuz you never know with the creeps at GTM
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mouldy on January 19, 2018, 09:37:48 AM
but i thought of a problem.
usa only means no  wen!

Also, What if that nividia thing does not work on all are computers?
 :vista:

And arnt you vunerible to getting hacked?

Alright, so firstly, this is Parsec. Nothing to do with Nvidia. That's the main thing I should point out here. You don't need an Nvidia graphics card to download Parsec.

Wen can still join other tournements, its not like he's excluded fully or anything.

Lastly, yes, that is a possibility. This is why Geice has made a very nice post about it. https://gametechmods.com/forums/site-news-and-feedback/parsecother-streaming-services/msg740384/#new
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on January 19, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
there may or may not be a risk but you as host can immediately kill a connections control with a key command and if all else fails can I guess hard shut off your pc. just pay attention and use common sense. I personally wouldn't even enable control for others until in an actual match and I'd disable it immediately after.
I suppose a good idea if you host a lot is making another user account without admin rights and hosting from there
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW
No extenderbots (for minimal cpu stress)
No CB2 (except overkill servo, and flatmotors)
House bots included

How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on January 20, 2018, 03:21:55 PM
Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW
That's not a gimmick.

How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)

I have comments:
You do realize this a massive project, right? Not even AI tournaments, where the entry requirement of building once within a time limit, get 54 entries very often.
How are you splitting up timezones? Is this for the brakcet? Are they sub-regions?
You'd need like 3 hosts too.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 20, 2018, 03:50:55 PM
Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW
That's not a gimmick.
No sh** sherlock
How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)

I have comments:
You do realize this a massive project, right? Not even AI tournaments, where the entry requirement of building once within a time limit, get 54 entries very often.
How are you splitting up timezones? Is this for the brakcet? Are they sub-regions?
You'd need like 3 hosts too.

I know this is a massive project... But it is a new and interesting thing... If we fail to hit 54 single enteries... Well 54 double enteries
Splitting timezones into 3... Yes for the bracket, sub regions... Prolly (will see)
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on January 20, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
i think starting the online comp scene with smaller tournaments so we can figure out the organisation requirements for these before moving on to bigger scaled tournaments would be a safer alternative
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on January 20, 2018, 04:14:05 PM
I agree slightly smaller, but keep this in the bank for a larger tourney.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on January 21, 2018, 08:25:18 AM
just thought of something that could be interesting with online: Mars Base Arena mini-comp anyone ?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on January 21, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
I agree slightly smaller, but keep this in the bank for a larger tourney.
Down from 54 to 27?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FaceBagman on February 12, 2018, 02:15:27 PM
So I'm not much of a builder as of late. But maybe some who can't build are better off hosting!

I'm in the March Madness mood, would anyone be interested if I just ran a casual tournament structured as a seeded bracket in the Personal section? I've been toying around with OBS a lot already and have been itching to do voiceovers and the like.

Details in the spoiler box:


Could this be a thing? I'm nowhere near experienced enough to feel like running a competitive tournament confidently. But I do imagine this could be a fun event that fits the spirit of the sporting season without being too hardcore.

But if I'm out of place suggesting this, just give me a slap in the face.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Olister92 on February 12, 2018, 02:21:37 PM

But if I'm out of place suggesting this, just give me a slap in the face.  :mrgreen:

I don't think anyone is out of place for attempting to do tourney

Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FaceBagman on February 12, 2018, 03:10:41 PM
^Thanks, Olister! I'm curious more if, due to the format, it would have to be voted on and run in the competitive tournament section; or if I could run it just for shiggles in the Personal Tournament section?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on February 12, 2018, 03:50:06 PM
Please do this, I'd be happy to enter
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: yugitom on February 12, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
But maybe some who can't build are better off hosting!
Has always been my ethos/motto
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FaceBagman on February 12, 2018, 11:20:22 PM
I'd be so happy to enter this. I loved the BB seeding bracket format, so a RA2 version would be so cool.

Please do this, I'd be happy to enter

Please do! Tourney thread is in the Personal section now.  :dance:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on February 13, 2018, 01:36:01 AM
I don't Know if anyone has previously done this but what about an IRL tournament where your not allowed spinners. I would do this if I had the skills and equipment   
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheRoboteer on February 13, 2018, 01:39:03 AM
I don't Know if anyone has previously done this but what about an IRL tournament where your not allowed spinners. I would do this if I had the skills and equipment
There was supposed to be one relatively recently but it got put on the back burner and then never came out.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on February 13, 2018, 01:41:27 AM
I don't Know if anyone has previously done this but what about an IRL tournament where your not allowed spinners. I would do this if I had the skills and equipment
There was supposed to be one relatively recently but it got put on the back burner and then never came out.
Man That's unfortunate :/
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Olister92 on February 13, 2018, 06:31:12 AM
I don't Know if anyone has previously done this but what about an IRL tournament where your not allowed spinners. I would do this if I had the skills and equipment
There was supposed to be one relatively recently but it got put on the back burner and then never came out.
Man That's unfortunate :/

I'd be all over this too, but I ain't putting pressure on anyone especially as I have neither the time or skills or equipment either
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on February 16, 2018, 10:48:49 AM
What I wanna see is an IRL stock tournament. That's almost never been done before and we'd get a lot of unusual designs in a desperate bid to look original.

"Why not just use DSL 2.2?"

Shut up, we've done that WAY too much now. Doing an IRL tourney in stock or maybe even Ironforge would be pretty unique of an experience.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on February 16, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
What I wanna see is an IRL stock tournament. That's almost never been done before and we'd get a lot of unusual designs in a desperate bid to look original.

"Why not just use DSL 2.2?"

Shut up, we've done that WAY too much now. Doing an IRL tourney in stock or maybe even Ironforge would be pretty unique of an experience.

Neat. I like the sound of it.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on February 16, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
I agree, things like banter wars are good because there original and get people to think creatively
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheOrcCorp on February 16, 2018, 12:51:40 PM
I agree, things like banter wars are good because there original and get people to think creatively

Banter Wars I'd say is a good example for Stock, I appreciate it more than OTT weapon spam!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on February 27, 2018, 03:10:21 AM
So, I've always wanted to make a tournament but I have never had the confidence or skills to be able to host it but now that I have read through the general tournament guide I think I have an Idea on how im gonna do it.

No Spinner Tournament
DSL-IRL HW(or CW)
Arena: robot wars 2016 arena (with custom skins)
no servo's unless you can AI it
no cheatbot2 parts
no overhead thwak bots because I dunno how to AI
walkers and shufflers allowed and get a weight boost (I dont know how much of a boost)

This is only a quick run through of the basic rules and there is alot I will include if I do make it. I am also going to try and keep the bracket small so I dont get over welled. There is no guarantees that I will make it but If I do im going to try my very hardest to make sure I dont give up on it. Im going to try AI as much as I can but to carry the work load Im going to see if I can get a friend to also do some so we can get it done quicker. I would love to hear what you guys think :)   
 
 
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Olister92 on February 27, 2018, 06:27:00 AM
I'd definitely be up for a no spinner tourney  :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on February 27, 2018, 06:54:42 AM
>no spinner allowed
>robot wars 2016 arena

get ready for a lot of flipper
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on February 27, 2018, 07:05:07 AM
>no spinner allowed
>robot wars 2016 arena

get ready for a lot of flipper

This tbh. But I'd like to see it
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 03, 2018, 05:47:25 AM
Any tournaments to join as of March 3rd?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on March 03, 2018, 06:04:10 AM
Any tournaments to join as of March 3rd?
I got mine going on :)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 03, 2018, 06:21:29 AM
Is it possible for me to join?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on March 03, 2018, 06:41:25 AM
Is it possible for me to join?
Yep we have got 32 places
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 03, 2018, 08:09:46 AM
Which Game?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on March 03, 2018, 08:34:57 AM
Which Game?
Operation spinner wipeout
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on March 03, 2018, 06:24:29 PM
Ideas for tournament in the future:

As Yet Untitled Forfeit Format: Meta undecided, weight undecided, etc. Prior to the tournament starting, all the entrants must give me an idea for a building handicap that will randomly be assigned to another member. Examples: "Must use 10 mm Steel chassis armour.", "Must have an odd number of wheels.", "Must not be invertible.", "Must be 25 kg underweight.", "Must use the circular chassis tool.", etc. Forfeits that make it tricky to build but not impossible.

Hometown Throwdown (Name likely to change if I get given better suggestions.): Meta undecided, weight undecided, etc. Prior to the tournament starting, all the entrants must give me an arena that will be their "home" arena, no stupid arenas like the Obstacle Course or Mars Arena though. The tournament will be a straightforward double round robin format, where each competitor fights all its opponents once at home in its chosen arena, and once in everyone else's arenas. Once the round robin section is done, the top however many will move onto a final single elimination bracket in a pre-selected arena.

Feedback?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on March 03, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
Ideas for tournament in the future:

As Yet Untitled Forfeit Format: Meta undecided, weight undecided, etc. Prior to the tournament starting, all the entrants must give me an idea for a building handicap that will randomly be assigned to another member. Examples: "Must use 10 mm Steel chassis armour.", "Must have an odd number of wheels.", "Must not be invertible.", "Must be 25 kg underweight.", "Must use the circular chassis tool.", etc. Forfeits that make it tricky to build but not impossible.

Hometown Throwdown (Name likely to change if I get given better suggestions.): Meta undecided, weight undecided, etc. Prior to the tournament starting, all the entrants must give me an arena that will be their "home" arena, no stupid arenas like the Obstacle Course or Mars Arena though. The tournament will be a straightforward double round robin format, where each competitor fights all its opponents once at home in its chosen arena, and once in everyone else's arenas. Once the round robin section is done, the top however many will move onto a final single elimination bracket in a pre-selected arena.

Feedback?

I want scrapheap challenge grrr
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 04, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
Which Game?
Operation spinner wipeout
I meant like DSL, Stock, Ironnforge, or else
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on March 04, 2018, 06:08:20 AM
Which Game?
Operation spinner wipeout
I meant like DSL, Stock, Ironnforge, or else
DSL
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 04, 2018, 06:20:36 AM
What are the rules?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on March 04, 2018, 06:52:17 AM
What are the rules?
Just look at the tournament in multi entry signups
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FaceBagman on March 07, 2018, 04:47:25 PM
Any tournaments to join as of March 3rd?

Mech Madness (IRL Heavyweight tourney) over in the Personal Tourney section is still taking bots until the 13th. Info's in the thread and you can send bots right to me!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: doot on March 07, 2018, 05:30:05 PM
Any tournaments to join as of March 3rd?

I hear that that DemonOfTomorrow guy's hosting Series 2 of RoboGames. nudge nudge  ;) ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jaydee99 on March 07, 2018, 05:32:22 PM
So with not much happening Minibots atm (still making the arena), I've been thinking of a few other ideas:


Brotherly Love
A replica rules version of Father and Son
Basically all entrants have to enter replicas of at least two different weight classes however the robots have to be built from the same team (IE Terrorhurtz and Tanshe, Mute and Micro Mute)
If two different people want to enter the same robot I suggest a head to head on the challenge board to decide who gets to enter the robot they want.


Robot Roulette
Going to sound a bit like Wen here, but this one I think will be a bit weird.
So an IRL tournament where the arena will be random (but there will only be a few arenas that can be chose) and you get two points for a win and zero for a loss. Others who have entered can place bets on who they think will win and get a point if they're correct (oh god this will be a nightmare)


Round Robin War
IRL tournament in a Round Robin style, set in the RW2016 arena. The four robots with the most points will go to a knockout stage, one round of head to heads and then a final.


So... Opinions?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on March 07, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
Any tournaments to join as of March 3rd?
Signups for Scrapheap Challenge 3 and Masters Of Disaster 2 will be going live in a few days, so you should start building in advance of those opening.

Same goes for the rest of you. ;)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on March 08, 2018, 04:04:45 AM
While i still cant record my tourney with cpu complex dsl bots, i can certainly do Stock!
Now here's a little idea... This would run for few seasons, and 1st season, we would start with most basic stock RA2 stuff
After the season ends, i would add a little bit more powerful stuff and more compact stuff too! Armor would change too... Any thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Olister92 on March 08, 2018, 06:20:49 AM
So with not much happening Minibots atm (still making the arena), I've been thinking of a few other ideas:


Brotherly Love
A replica rules version of Father and Son
Basically all entrants have to enter replicas of at least two different weight classes however the robots have to be built from the same team (IE Terrorhurtz and Tanshe, Mute and Micro Mute)
If two different people want to enter the same robot I suggest a head to head on the challenge board to decide who gets to enter the robot they want.


Robot Roulette
Going to sound a bit like Wen here, but this one I think will be a bit weird.
So an IRL tournament where the arena will be random (but there will only be a few arenas that can be chose) and you get two points for a win and zero for a loss. Others who have entered can place bets on who they think will win and get a point if they're correct (oh god this will be a nightmare)


Round Robin War
IRL tournament in a Round Robin style, set in the RW2016 arena. The four robots with the most points will go to a knockout stage, one round of head to heads and then a final.


So... Opinions?

Brotherly Love and Robot Roulette sound like good ideas if a bit complicated in places, Round Robin War seems the best and most simple to me
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on March 08, 2018, 09:11:03 AM
So with not much happening Minibots atm (still making the arena), I've been thinking of a few other ideas:


Brotherly Love
A replica rules version of Father and Son
Basically all entrants have to enter replicas of at least two different weight classes however the robots have to be built from the same team (IE Terrorhurtz and Tanshe, Mute and Micro Mute)
If two different people want to enter the same robot I suggest a head to head on the challenge board to decide who gets to enter the robot they want.


Robot Roulette
Going to sound a bit like Wen here, but this one I think will be a bit weird.
So an IRL tournament where the arena will be random (but there will only be a few arenas that can be chose) and you get two points for a win and zero for a loss. Others who have entered can place bets on who they think will win and get a point if they're correct (oh god this will be a nightmare)


Round Robin War
IRL tournament in a Round Robin style, set in the RW2016 arena. The four robots with the most points will go to a knockout stage, one round of head to heads and then a final.


So... Opinions?

So what version is Brotherly Love in?
PS: They all sound awesome.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Jaydee99 on March 08, 2018, 09:47:17 AM
Haha thanks dudes
Probably custom components, but any customs used outside of the meta (let's say DSL2.2 for now) should be uploaded to the tournament thread for everyone to use


Also yeah I think Roulette is pretty complicated but I think it mayyy work with enough planning. And I agree the round robin is easiest too, the replica tournament would follow the Robogames rules where matches are in different weight classes but in a different arena
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on April 22, 2018, 01:02:34 AM
what kind of tournaments are people interested in atm
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dark-Al on April 22, 2018, 03:09:31 AM
what kind of tournaments are people interested in atm
You can probably tell that by looking at all the tournament boards at the moment, there's a sheer ton of DSL-IRL tournaments that have been happen due to the overall popularity of the meta. You can still do a tournament that doesn't use DSL-IRL as the meta, but just don't except users to be flocking in when sign-ups are open.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2018, 09:33:56 AM
Do something in stock please
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on April 22, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Do something in stock please
stock IRL lol.
I mean. Stock isnt CPU intensive after all
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dark-Al on April 22, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
Do something in stock please
Maybe try something new, such as maybe a Stock Cruiserweight tournament or something. There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on April 22, 2018, 06:32:50 PM
Do something in stock please
stock IRL lol.
I mean. Stock isnt CPU intensive after all

What kind of a CPU do you have? :really_makes_you_think:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: kix on April 23, 2018, 12:04:39 AM
Do something in stock please
stock IRL lol.
I mean. Stock isnt CPU intensive after all

What kind of a CPU do you have? :really_makes_you_think:
2k5 athlon x2 64...
sh** i might start a gofundme
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on May 21, 2018, 07:27:00 PM
can you make the entrants ai themselves
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on May 21, 2018, 08:06:17 PM
can you make the entrants ai themselves

why would you host a tournament if you AI nothing
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on May 21, 2018, 08:08:02 PM
can you make the entrants ai themselves

why would you host a tournament if you AI nothing

Because I video. Yes or no.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Pwnator on May 21, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
No you cannot. Have a dedicated partner to help AI if needed, but entrants cannot be forced to AI by themselves.

Rules are there for a reason.

https://gametechmods.com/forums/public-tournament-discussion/tournament-management-(updated-83117)/
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on May 21, 2018, 08:15:22 PM
No you cannot. Have a dedicated partner to help AI if needed, but entrants cannot be forced to AI by themselves.

Rules are there for a reason.

https://gametechmods.com/forums/public-tournament-discussion/tournament-management-(updated-83117)/

Oh.

In that case... Who wants to AI partner for Ra2Winner’s DSL Championship!

Rules: No cheatbot2
          No AAM/BFE
          IRL
           Robogames Arena
           8 entry spots.
           Modified Double Elimination
           Obviously DSL
           DSC component packs allowed.
           
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: FightingBotInformal on May 22, 2018, 09:09:08 AM
can you make the entrants ai themselves
Nice job in your attempt to AI.  :dumb)
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
Just learn to AI kid, it's really incredibly easy. It takes 10 minutes to learn tops.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on May 22, 2018, 10:20:12 AM
Yeah in some cases it even takes less then 10 minutes depending on how much trial and error there is. If you want to learn go though the tutorial and tips section
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2018, 11:13:39 AM
I mean 10 minutes to learn, you can knock out AI on one bot in 30 seconds with some luck
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: superbot13 on June 28, 2018, 03:58:29 PM
I am thinking of hosting a tournament
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on June 29, 2018, 12:26:41 AM
I am thinking of hosting a tournament

can you AI
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on June 29, 2018, 01:37:26 AM
I am thinking of hosting a tournament
But first off, you need to learn how to AI or else.
You can't host a tournament with you controling the bot.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on June 29, 2018, 12:05:56 PM
I am thinking of hosting a tournament
But first off, you need to learn how to AI or else.
You can't host a tournament with you controling the bot.
i can't remember who did that before lmao
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: superbot13 on June 29, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
I can ai and record
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on June 29, 2018, 02:57:26 PM
I can ai and record

I’ll enter!
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: freeziez on June 29, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
I can ai and record
alright now i'm H Y P E
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 8bean on June 30, 2018, 12:55:02 PM
What meta/gimmick you thinking about for it superbot?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on June 30, 2018, 01:02:30 PM
I am thinking of hosting a tournament
But first off, you need to learn how to AI or else.
You can't host a tournament with you controling the bot.
i can't remember who did that before lmao
lra2
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: superbot13 on June 30, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on June 30, 2018, 02:44:48 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on June 30, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
It's IRL, it'll get entries.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: pokebro14 on June 30, 2018, 03:09:52 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
It's IRL, it'll get entries.
Ok that's true IRL will get a lot of people intrested. It's just that antweights is such as an odd category too base it around. I can see it being quite difficult for some players to build too that weight catogorey. Although what do I know
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on June 30, 2018, 03:41:28 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
It's IRL, it'll get entries.
Ok that's true IRL will get a lot of people intrested. It's just that antweights is such as an odd category too base it around. I can see it being quite difficult for some players to build too that weight catogorey. Although what do I know

I doubt many users will enter antweights, like I like IRL and even I'm not interested in that
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheOrcCorp on June 30, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
It's IRL, it'll get entries.
Ok that's true IRL will get a lot of people intrested. It's just that antweights is such as an odd category too base it around. I can see it being quite difficult for some players to build too that weight catogorey. Although what do I know

I doubt many users will enter antweights, like I like IRL and even I'm not interested in that

No offense but I have to agree with Hop here...but perhaps everyone else will join! :smile:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dark-Al on June 30, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
It will be IRL antweights
Have fun getting entries for that
It's IRL, it'll get entries.
Ok that's true IRL will get a lot of people intrested. It's just that antweights is such as an odd category too base it around. I can see it being quite difficult for some players to build too that weight catogorey. Although what do I know

I doubt many users will enter antweights, like I like IRL and even I'm not interested in that

No offense but I have to agree with Hop here...but perhaps everyone else will join! :smile:
Look, I know how much you want to go forward with DSL-IRL Antweights Superbot and I'm not stopping you from doing so. But maybe you should think about what other users want for a tournament and also building up hosting trust between said users, instead of jumping into the idea straight away. You could start out with maybe doing a Heavyweight or Lightweight IRL tournament first to get users attention and trust, before attempting to do an Antweight tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Dreamcast on June 30, 2018, 04:10:21 PM
AW works best in something like DSL-S. Just because you still get DSL's part variety, and you don't have to put weight into things like strong motor supports or chassis. IMO this flaw isn't noticed at LW or above.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Billy5545 on June 30, 2018, 06:59:42 PM
Yeah, heavyweight is better. Also, what format do you want the tournament to be? Is it like Robot Wars, with heats and Grand Final, or Battlebots, with brackets and 1v1 fight between bots
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Asbestosstar on June 30, 2018, 07:47:25 PM
I think the last time i entered a tournament was 2017  :really_makes_you_think:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on July 19, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
I can’t ai no matter how long I try... but I have an idea that I posted in the chat box 2 seconds ago!

Beyblades: DSL-IRL. Bot has to look beyblade ish. Flatmotor allowed. Weapon spam allowed because some beys look weapon spammy. Arena: custom arena resembling a beystadium. Weight class: heavyweight


Edit: bot has to act somewhat like a bey too. Which means only meltybrains are allowed.

Double edit: double elimination.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gulden on July 19, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
I can’t ai no matter how long I try... but I have an idea that I posted in the chat box 2 seconds ago!

Beyblades: DSL-IRL. Bot has to look beyblade ish. Flatmotor allowed. Weapon spam allowed because some beys look weapon spammy. Arena: custom arena resembling a beystadium. Weight class: heavyweight


Edit: bot has to act somewhat like a bey too. Which means only meltybrains are allowed.

Double edit: double elimination.
Only Meltybrain?  Why no shell spinners?
Also, last I watched most of the tournaments were single elimination.
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I'd enter this but hosting it would be another story.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: superbot13 on July 19, 2018, 06:24:41 PM
I can’t ai no matter how long I try... but I have an idea that I posted in the chat box 2 seconds ago!

Beyblades: DSL-IRL. Bot has to look beyblade ish. Flatmotor allowed. Weapon spam allowed because some beys look weapon spammy. Arena: custom arena resembling a beystadium. Weight class: heavyweight


Edit: bot has to act somewhat like a bey too. Which means only meltybrains are allowed.

Double edit: double elimination.
I can AI for you
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on July 19, 2018, 07:11:18 PM
UPDATE: my ra2 beyblade tournament has this set of new rules.

DSL IRL

HW

Meltybrain and shells allowed.

Bot has to look beyblade like. I’ll be a be a bit lenient on this regard as it is hard to make one of these.

Flatmotor allowed

Flex top arena. Hazards off. (I think that means no flex.)

Weapon spam permitted as Beyblades look spammy.

Superbot AI’s

Double elimination.

Edit: Ro7 break allowed plus realistic motor+chassis intersection.

Edit 2: dsc component pack allowed.

sorry triple edit: custom arena would be preferable to flex top.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on July 20, 2018, 08:05:25 AM
Hola... Hi... Bonjour... Anyone for my beyblade ra2 idea?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on August 01, 2018, 03:11:40 PM
It will be IRL antweights
oh....uh.....i shoulda read this before starting something.....whoops

However, I have an idea of a new type of tournament. I call it "Each One Like Another". The name is self explanatory, but basically, I'll choose a bot to recreate, and the competitors will have to build a replica. It doesn't need to be battle ready, but we could have them fight eachother. What does everyone think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2018, 07:12:27 AM
Tournament ideas:
- Parsec RWRA2
- Sumo but burst motors are banned
- All weapons do no damage. Flippers might have to be banned too
- Another Emergency Exit, or a different boss rush style tournament

Thoughts?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on August 20, 2018, 07:28:53 AM
Tournament ideas:
- Parsec RWRA2
- Sumo but burst motors are banned
- All weapons do no damage. Flippers might have to be banned too
- Another Emergency Exit, or a different boss rush style tournament

Thoughts?
1. Sure. I haven't seen anyone play RWRA2 in a while.
2. I could see this being fun
3. Ehhh IDK
4. Seems fun
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Gulden on August 20, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
Tournament ideas:
- Parsec RWRA2
- Sumo but burst motors are banned
- All weapons do no damage. Flippers might have to be banned too
- Another Emergency Exit, or a different boss rush style tournament

Thoughts?
That third one seems like a good spectator sport.
I would have my vote.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on October 09, 2018, 10:04:58 PM
In between Centauris (8 players) I'm thinking of doing 4 player mini tourneys that I can film in one day (5-6 matches). don't have a name as of yet. Each one can be a different event or the competitors can vote on the subject or whatever. I may enter some of these.


Ideas:

1 hour build-off
Pick a stock ai HW
mystery meta
random arena
fun themes (walker bots etc)
everyone submits a bot and you have to drive someone else's
n00b warz: pvp



Could be fun little tournaments with the potential to be competitive or fairly casual. 4 players is easy to organize and doesn't take long if I'm pressed for time with a full centauri. They would likely be double elim, round robin always kinda bored me.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WeN on October 10, 2018, 07:32:49 AM
an idea.
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A Team Tag Tournament, but you don't need to find partner.
First off, you join the tournament. After the sign up over, I will show which guys you teamed up with.

Shuffle Mates? More like, Shuffle Man.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2018, 09:25:45 AM
an idea.
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A Team Tag Tournament, but you don't need to find partner.
First off, you join the tournament. After the sign up over, I will show which guys you teamed up with.

Shuffle Mates? More like, Shuffle Man.
Better idea: new teammate every round, the winning pair do a 1v1 to determine the champion
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on October 10, 2018, 10:42:04 AM
an idea.
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A Team Tag Tournament, but you don't need to find partner.
First off, you join the tournament. After the sign up over, I will show which guys you teamed up with.

Shuffle Mates? More like, Shuffle Man.
Better idea: new teammate every round, the winning pair do a 1v1 to determine the champion

I actually really enjoy that idea
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Philippa on October 10, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
I was planning on making a Keep Your Enemies Close 2 anyway, so this is some nice encouragement that you'd actually enter.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on October 10, 2018, 01:19:08 PM
an idea.
 
A Team Tag Tournament, but you don't need to find partner.
First off, you join the tournament. After the sign up over, I will show which guys you teamed up with.

Shuffle Mates? More like, Shuffle Man.
Better idea: new teammate every round, the winning pair do a 1v1 to determine the champion

I actually really enjoy that idea
Same here.  I would love to enter that, especially in a fun meta.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: 090901 on October 10, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
an idea.
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A Team Tag Tournament, but you don't need to find partner.
First off, you join the tournament. After the sign up over, I will show which guys you teamed up with.

Shuffle Mates? More like, Shuffle Man.
Better idea: new teammate every round, the winning pair do a 1v1 to determine the champion
You have to call it tag team tussle 2 then tbh

https://gametechmods.com/forums/multi-entry-signups/tag-team-tussle-*teams-up*/
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on December 22, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
I have an idea for a tournament, but I can't do it by myself.

It's an DSL2.3 IRL tournament that uses a point system to determine the quality and quantity of entrants you want to bring in.

The idea is to encourage a variety in quality of competitors, like in real life. We kinda already have it with the different levels of skill amongst the various builders here, but I think we can go a step further:

Let's have all builders, pros and not pros, use a system where you can either choose between entering a single, super-effective design, or multiple ineffective designs. It would be REALLY hard to figure out what kind of system it would take to make this balanced and fair, so that someone who enters one try-hard design has as much chance to win as a person who enters 5 sh**ty designs. It's almost like a simulation of money: High-end, powerful bots cost a lot, low-end robots don't. The difference is that we all start with the same amount of points, or cash, but what we do with it is different. You could either enter with 1 good entry or several bad entries.  I think it's fair, if it's done right.

What makes for a good design? Something that uses NPC Fasts, is invertible, has a powerful weapon, etc. Anything common that you'd see in try-hard designs. It's ok to make them, but it takes a lot of points. If you have a robot that has a powerful weapon, but can't self-right, or a robot with weak armor, poor drive, etc, then that takes up less points, meaning you can make multiple low-end bots.

It's just an idea, and idea I can't do by myself. What do you all think?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on December 22, 2018, 04:46:05 PM
why not just build standard since it avoids those problems
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 22, 2018, 04:51:47 PM
why not just build standard since it avoids those problems
Why not just focus on hosting your own standard tournaments rather than spending your time moaning that nobody else is hosting them?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Reier on December 22, 2018, 04:59:54 PM
why not just build standard since it avoids those problems
Why not just focus on hosting your own standard tournaments rather than spending your time moaning that nobody else is hosting them?
sorry for helping padre.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 22, 2018, 05:03:02 PM
why not just build standard since it avoids those problems
Why not just focus on hosting your own standard tournaments rather than spending your time moaning that nobody else is hosting them?
sorry for helping padre.
Pretty odd definition of "helping" you got there man.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on December 22, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
I have an idea for a tournament, but I can't do it by myself.

It's an DSL2.3 IRL tournament that uses a point system to determine the quality and quantity of entrants you want to bring in.

The idea is to encourage a variety in quality of competitors, like in real life. We kinda already have it with the different levels of skill amongst the various builders here, but I think we can go a step further:

Let's have all builders, pros and not pros, use a system where you can either choose between entering a single, super-effective design, or multiple ineffective designs. It would be REALLY hard to figure out what kind of system it would take to make this balanced and fair, so that someone who enters one try-hard design has as much chance to win as a person who enters 5 sh**ty designs. It's almost like a simulation of money: High-end, powerful bots cost a lot, low-end robots don't. The difference is that we all start with the same amount of points, or cash, but what we do with it is different. You could either enter with 1 good entry or several bad entries.  I think it's fair, if it's done right.

What makes for a good design? Something that uses NPC Fasts, is invertible, has a powerful weapon, etc. Anything common that you'd see in try-hard designs. It's ok to make them, but it takes a lot of points. If you have a robot that has a powerful weapon, but can't self-right, or a robot with weak armor, poor drive, etc, then that takes up less points, meaning you can make multiple low-end bots.

It's just an idea, and idea I can't do by myself. What do you all think?
Seems like a good idea
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Hoppin on December 22, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
I have an idea for a tournament, but I can't do it by myself.

It's an DSL2.3 IRL tournament that uses a point system to determine the quality and quantity of entrants you want to bring in.

The idea is to encourage a variety in quality of competitors, like in real life. We kinda already have it with the different levels of skill amongst the various builders here, but I think we can go a step further:

Let's have all builders, pros and not pros, use a system where you can either choose between entering a single, super-effective design, or multiple ineffective designs. It would be REALLY hard to figure out what kind of system it would take to make this balanced and fair, so that someone who enters one try-hard design has as much chance to win as a person who enters 5 sh**ty designs. It's almost like a simulation of money: High-end, powerful bots cost a lot, low-end robots don't. The difference is that we all start with the same amount of points, or cash, but what we do with it is different. You could either enter with 1 good entry or several bad entries.  I think it's fair, if it's done right.

What makes for a good design? Something that uses NPC Fasts, is invertible, has a powerful weapon, etc. Anything common that you'd see in try-hard designs. It's ok to make them, but it takes a lot of points. If you have a robot that has a powerful weapon, but can't self-right, or a robot with weak armor, poor drive, etc, then that takes up less points, meaning you can make multiple low-end bots.

It's just an idea, and idea I can't do by myself. What do you all think?

Intriguing entry balancing. I'd be down.

Heads up, no one uses 2.3 tbh, it's just 2.2 with some new things that dont sway people to jump over.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: TommyProductionsInc on December 22, 2018, 07:17:55 PM
I have an idea for a tournament, but I can't do it by myself.

It's an DSL2.3 IRL tournament that uses a point system to determine the quality and quantity of entrants you want to bring in.

The idea is to encourage a variety in quality of competitors, like in real life. We kinda already have it with the different levels of skill amongst the various builders here, but I think we can go a step further:

Let's have all builders, pros and not pros, use a system where you can either choose between entering a single, super-effective design, or multiple ineffective designs. It would be REALLY hard to figure out what kind of system it would take to make this balanced and fair, so that someone who enters one try-hard design has as much chance to win as a person who enters 5 sh**ty designs. It's almost like a simulation of money: High-end, powerful bots cost a lot, low-end robots don't. The difference is that we all start with the same amount of points, or cash, but what we do with it is different. You could either enter with 1 good entry or several bad entries.  I think it's fair, if it's done right.

What makes for a good design? Something that uses NPC Fasts, is invertible, has a powerful weapon, etc. Anything common that you'd see in try-hard designs. It's ok to make them, but it takes a lot of points. If you have a robot that has a powerful weapon, but can't self-right, or a robot with weak armor, poor drive, etc, then that takes up less points, meaning you can make multiple low-end bots.

It's just an idea, and idea I can't do by myself. What do you all think?

Intriguing entry balancing. I'd be down.

Heads up, no one uses 2.3 tbh, it's just 2.2 with some new things that dont sway people to jump over.

Would anyone be willing to host it?
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: WhatAmI on December 26, 2018, 10:51:05 AM
Just a suggestion.
Title Name: Eviction Notice
DSL-IRL, Component freedom
16 robots can enter into the tournament. 1-3 robots per person. The gamemode can be either single or duos. The first challenge will be 4 melees, 4 robots in each. The winners of each melee will participate in a 4-way melee. The winner will be the House Leader. The builder of the robot will choose two nominees or duos. They will be at risk of being evicted. Then there will be a Safety Competition, where there will be challenges for the nominees and some of the safe robots. Whoever carries this idea comes up with ideas for challenges. This repeats (if there's duos, then there will be a merge) until 3 robots are left standing. There will be 3 challenges for them. The robot who wins the first challenge won't do the next challenge. The winner of the second challenge will face up against the first challenge winner. Whatever wins that challenge will have the builder of the winner to evict one of the robots. Then the remaining robots will be voted on the jury (builders of the robots who got voted out). The robots with the most voted will win the tournament.

That was long.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2019, 04:10:54 AM
Would there be any interest in a DSL 2.1 standard tournament? "Boomer Brawl" or something like that.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: madman3 on March 05, 2019, 04:14:32 AM
yeh but only if it's hw
go big or go home
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on March 05, 2019, 06:39:29 AM
ya. 2.1 DSL-S HW, no frills. some fun, flat arena. let's show the IRL bois what's a real tournament.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on March 05, 2019, 06:43:31 AM
I'm totally game.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on March 05, 2019, 06:51:58 AM
sure, at least we won't have any arguments about "it's too tryhard" or "it's not realistic" when this game is one of the worst if you really want to play a realistic robot combat sim
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Naryar on March 05, 2019, 07:13:18 AM
sure, at least we won't have any arguments about "it's too tryhard" or "it's not realistic" when this game is one of the worst if you really want to play a realistic robot combat sim

i dunno, DSL-S HAS realism standards too  :gawe:
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Mystic2000 on March 05, 2019, 07:25:23 AM
but at least they're set in stone and not a giant grey area nobody can ****ing agree on
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: madman3 on March 05, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
i meaaaaan
sort of????
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: RedAce on March 05, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
I guess it'll give me an excuse to try DSL 2.1 again so sure why not.
Title: Re: General Tournament Discussion
Post by: Ra2Winner999 on July 17, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
I know I have some kind of negative host score, but I've learned to AI.


So!


The tournament will be called Back From The Dead. Stock Unrealistic HW 16 slots, 2 entries per person. I'll enter with HW-36HS III and Hidden Power II so really there's only 14 slots. The arena will be BBEANS V2 arena. I might change it to Combat Arena if we have complaints. Single elimination, Robot Arena 2 v1.4.
Probably the only Stock tournament you'll see in a while, so I hope it has a good turnout.