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Title: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 07, 2014, 05:26:05 AM
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Game - DSL 2.1
Arena - Official Robot Arena 2 Tournament Arena
Weight - Heavyweight
Realistic Rule - IRL Realistic
8 entrants.
One entry robot per person.
Only in game glitches are allowed -  eFFe Glitching, Axle Loading and Snapper Loading.
Exception of BFE for chassis shape and realism.
If you can't AI I will try me best to AI for you, just dont expect perfection.
You can't enter until I have received and accepted your robot.
If your bot doesnt load up in a DSL 2.1 clean copy then your bot is disqualified. No ifs, no buts.

Battle Rules:
1v1 battles. 1 round.
A Poll will go up if a battle goes the full 3 minutes.
3 minute battle.
If a havok occurs, unless it does not affect the match outcome, the match will be restarted. If there is a second havok caused by the SAME robot it will be disqualified. If both bots contribute to a havok it will set both on a next havok-dq warning.

Splash:

Bracket:

Videos:
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 07, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
First match should be up soon. Just hitting a few snags on some shoddy AI by me.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on December 07, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
I want Ounce to win but I have a feeling it's gonna be RedAce.

GL everyone that got in.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: RedAce on December 07, 2014, 11:18:26 AM
My summary:

Panzer Strike: It looks okay. It's well armored, so that could help.

Roboenza: I don't remember if the spinning blade spins fast enough, so that could be my downfall.

Trinity 4ce: Love the look of this one. It also looks dangerous.

EBony: Very much Electric Boogaloo in this bot.

Playzooki Multibots: Eww. Left one looks better, yet both look half-assed in terms how their built.

Axe Bot: Another cool looking bot.

Android: Seen this one before, but with a different name.

Gamo: Not the worst thing I've ever seen, yet it looks decent.

Overall, about half the entries look awesome, but will they fight as good as their looks? Only time will tell. Good luck guys!
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 07, 2014, 01:01:21 PM
Im having issues witht he recording. When the file is played back it has flickering of the image so much its simply unusable. Has anyone got any ideas for screen recorders that are free?
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: RedAce on December 07, 2014, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: Avalanche on December 07, 2014, 01:01:21 PM
Im having issues witht he recording. When the file is played back it has flickering of the image so much its simply unusable. Has anyone got any ideas for screen recorders that are free?
I use Bandicam. Not only is it free, it's easy to use and safe to download.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: helloface on December 07, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Panzer Strike: A huge improvement on most of Av's bots.

Roboenza: Pretty generic but clean and will probably dominate most bots.

Trinity 4ce: One of the best looking bots in this tournament and it looks deadly to match.

EBony: Decent looking and a well armoured front. Could go far.

xXxXxXx_kekscopezz_xXxXxXx & great banter: Kill yourself.

Axe Bot: Pretty cool and probably my favourite bot but probably won't do too well.

Android: Performed well in BB iirc, could get dismantled by the HSs but otherwise good.

Gamo: What even is this
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 07, 2014, 02:35:14 PM
Gamo is a bot with 2 dual saws on the front, powered by piglets, and a hammer which actually pokes out the back and strikes up at the top. My first reaction was the exact same, except me thinking "Thank god he didnt make me AI this."
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: yugitom on December 07, 2014, 02:51:56 PM
Really like the look of Trinity 4ce.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: The Ounce on December 07, 2014, 05:09:10 PM
Quite the interesting selection of bots we have here.

Panzer Strike: Very well armored.  Even with the minimal weaponry, I can see this doing very well.

Roboenza: I too worry about the weapon spinning too slowly, but it still looks great.

Trinity 4ce: IMO the best looking out of all the entries, and probably the deadliest too.  Definitely my pick to win the tournament.

EBony: I think it does a good job of emulating the robot it was based off of, but its lack of a decent wedge and speed will be its downfall in this tournament.

Playzooki Multibots: Neither of them are really great in either looks or effectiveness, but if that wedge has a flamethrower, then the team might stand a chance against some of the other entries.

Axe Bot: Second best looking robot here.  Too bad that axe doesn't look capable of any real damage.

Android: Looks decent, but I think those drums are going to spin too slowly to beat some of the bots here.

Gamo: I'm really not sure what to think about this.

As for my first match... I'm gonna lose.  Even though I really don't know what my opponent is capable of, its usage of metal hinge wedges means an instant loss for me.

Other first round winners: Panzer Strike, Roboenza, and Trinity 4ce.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 08, 2014, 02:08:43 AM
May I just ask, how did you decide the matches, Avalanche? Were they randomised in some way or did you pick?
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 08, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
I used randomise seeds in challonge.

EDIT: great banter is indeed a flamethrower.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 08, 2014, 05:39:09 AM
Tournament time! **** yeah!  :popcorn

Trinity 4ce looks strong because it got bars everywhere dealing blows but to me, Roboenza is better looking.

Gamo is a beauty AND a beast, just wait and see  :dumb)
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 08, 2014, 09:38:53 AM
Slight rule change. To make the battles easier to film and also to make judges decisions work, they will be only 1 3 minute round. I will put up polls for judges decisions after each video.

EDIT: First match up, Judges decision poll up for 5 days.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 08, 2014, 10:14:10 AM
You can't change your rules mid tournament, I thought this was clear...
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 08, 2014, 10:40:36 AM
I saw it as no issue as i fixed it before the matches were put up.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 08, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
Changing the way the matches are done after signups is of course an issue, people may have entered something different had the matches been done differently.
A quick example: I know nothing about football, but would people be happy if the way the World Cup was being run suddenly changed after all the teams were confirmed?
As a host you have a certain obligation to be completely crystal clear about everything, and make sure everything is ready to run the way you're saying it will before you run it.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 08, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Does framerate affect physics? Cause the bots acted very "bouncy" though I cant tell for sure since its not my bot and multibot was involved. I would also recommend you start using the action cam by trov to help out with the filming  :thumbup

Changing the rules after signups is indeed a problem, though I agree that combining a three-rounder with polls would get messy so maybe something has to be done. Not for me to decide however, just my opinion.



Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 08, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
My bot is actually named Jellybean. No big deal though. The bot file is misleading.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Mr. AS on December 08, 2014, 03:54:59 PM
Did you record this with a potato from 1990? The video you put up runs at a silky smooth 2 frames per second. At least try to speed it up in whatever video editing software you have. Or shut down any RAM-eating software like skype/google chrome while you record, and lower the framerate in FRAPS from 60 to 30 so it's smoother.
The AI on these bots is pretty bad too, example being at the very beginning when the robots kept jerking left and right. I would just throw that match out the window and fix the AI.
Just use in-game points instead of a judges decision. Judge's decisions are pants-on-head retarded.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: playzooki on December 08, 2014, 03:58:54 PM
to boost fps you should also lower the resolution, lower the graphic detail and/or turn off the effects
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 09, 2014, 02:14:52 AM
I'm putting this tournament on hold because of the fact this laptop isn't running ra2 well. After christmas I will have a better one and be able to record videos.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 05:37:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. AS on December 08, 2014, 03:54:59 PM
The AI on these bots is pretty bad too, example being at the very beginning when the robots kept jerking left and right. I would just throw that match out the window and fix the AI.
"I will try me best to AI for you, just dont expect perfection."
Imo you should be grateful he actually took time to bind whatever crap people send him. If I were ever to hold a tournament, I wouldn't even allow builders to send in bots if they hadn't already been AI:d. Its just pure lazyness by the builder and stupid too since you're putting your bots actual performance in someone else's hand. As long as the bot is moving forward and fire whatever weapon it has, I don't think you should cry about anything when it comes to the AI of a bot.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 09, 2014, 06:00:20 AM
Some builders don't know how to AI, or might not have the time to learn, or flat out can't learn. You'd just not let them enter?
Yes the bot should move forward and fire it's weapon. Forward is not left then right then left then right... It's a relatively easy fix too, after a very quick test of the AI.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 07:05:31 AM
Quote from: Craaig on December 09, 2014, 06:00:20 AM
Some builders don't know how to AI, or might not have the time to learn, or flat out can't learn. You'd just not let them enter?
Yes the bot should move forward and fire it's weapon. Forward is not left then right then left then right... It's a relatively easy fix too, after a very quick test of the AI.

Thats correct, that would be one of my rules.

From the looks of it, it could definitly be better but it still put up a fight. I also feel something was off with the physics. Its hard to tell at that framerate. But how do you know its not a mistake by the builder? It might be a weight unbalance or different motors. I wont say that the AI is messed up until I know that.  I still think thats the price you pay for not doing AI yourself. Theres plenty of guides how to AI and will make botbuilding more fun.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 09, 2014, 07:11:44 AM
That's a pretty harsh rule and would reflect pretty badly in the number of entrants. I almost put a rule into a tournament that you could enter 2 bots if you AIed them both, otherwise just 1, so positive reinforcement rather than punishments.
But whatever. Just seems short sighted in that some people genuinely might have tried to learn but can't. In fact, it makes you look lazy as a host.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 07:31:21 AM
Quote from: Craaig on December 09, 2014, 07:11:44 AM
That's a pretty harsh rule and would reflect pretty badly in the number of entrants. I almost put a rule into a tournament that you could enter 2 bots if you AIed them both, otherwise just 1, so positive reinforcement rather than punishments.
But whatever. Just seems short sighted in that some people genuinely might have tried to learn but can't. In fact, it makes you look lazy as a host.

Thats true, quality over quantity ;) Not a bad idea though personally that rule would be to tough to implement since I'm only allowed 16 entrants tops.
I'm not lazy at all :dumb) I just don't want to affect the outcome of a match. I see AI as a part of botbuilding.

more on topic: Im sad to see this tourney on hold, but its understandable.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Mr. AS on December 09, 2014, 07:43:40 AM
Quote from: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 05:37:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. AS on December 08, 2014, 03:54:59 PM
The AI on these bots is pretty bad too, example being at the very beginning when the robots kept jerking left and right. I would just throw that match out the window and fix the AI.
"I will try me best to AI for you, just dont expect perfection."
I never expect perfection. I expect adequacy.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 09, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 07:31:21 AM
Thats true, quality over quantity ;).

I don't AI my bots. I've AI'd one bot in my five years on GTM. Does that mean my bots aren't quality?
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 10, 2014, 07:04:27 AM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on December 09, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: Agaton on December 09, 2014, 07:31:21 AM
Thats true, quality over quantity ;).

I don't AI my bots. I've AI'd one bot in my five years on GTM. Does that mean my bots aren't quality?

That was my way of saying I'm OK with fewer entries. Its nothing personal. I also wrote that I see AI as a part of botbuilding.

Who would win a race between a Formula 1 car and a Ford Transit?
Answer: The Tansit would because the Formula 1 driver was missing  :facepalm:

The crass reality is that without an AI , your bots cant compete. In terms of fighting, they're useless until someone finish your work and puts an AI in it, and even after that, people like Mr. AS might say that the AI could have been better. A better way to see it is that there might be a diamond in the rough, but you'll never know unless you take the time to add an AI and tweak it to your liking.

All of this is obviously taking things too seriously, but there's your answer.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 22, 2014, 09:30:57 AM
Im going to upload my AI folder so people can make their minds up about the bindings. They are very shoddy jobs so people can submit revised bindings to their bots if they want, and if decent AI'ers want to fix up the bindings they can. Is this lazy? Yes. It is.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: 090901 on December 22, 2014, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: Avalanche on December 22, 2014, 09:30:57 AM
Is this lazy? Yes. It is.
It's a whole new level of laziness because you can't be bothered to change one number in a binding line so the bot drives right.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 22, 2014, 11:31:24 AM
Hell, this tournament has burned up and died. Its now on life support and relies on my laptop getting a new charger so i can actually record. At least i put out the AI folder.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 22, 2014, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: Avalanche on December 22, 2014, 11:31:24 AM
At least i put out the AI folder.

Hahahaha no.
Using that as an excuse for your laziness is awful. Putting out the AI is not a reason for AIing badly for the tournament or giving up on it entirely.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on December 22, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Why rage quit? Just do the job right for once and maybe we'll start liking you. Stuff like this is the reason you're so hated around here.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: cephalopod on December 22, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
The respect you will gain by completing this successfully would be huge, man.
Probably to the point you could stop faux posting everywhere about how you really don't care about negative rep.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 23, 2014, 05:28:23 AM
Change of plan. I still have no idea what is wrong with the AI that i had to do, but the affected bots were Axe Bot, KekBanter, and Panzer Strike. Axe Bot in testing didnt have this issue. Seeing as great banter seems to be using NPC fasts that may be why it acts like its on a combination of cocaine and crystal meth. Not sure about Panzer Strike, and in testing Axe Bot wasnt too jumpy. More testing required. In the meantime, I am finishing off the video for EBony versus Gamo. Using WMM i can speed up the footage 2X. This will mess up the audio i have for it, and i dont know how to mute it, so dont put audio on the youtube video, but yeah.

TL,DR: Axe Bot, Panzer Strike have possibly dodgy AI, great banter definitely has bad AI, kekscopes is ok,
new video soon, will be sped up 2x so dont use audio.

EDIT: Video up, and in testing only great banter has issues with driving. Im putting that down to too fast motors.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: yugitom on December 23, 2014, 07:55:04 AM
You're recording with Bandicam but it looks like you're also recording with a camera. Is that some effect you put in there for no reason or what? Also, are you actually saying you don't know how to mute audio in WMM? Just go to 'Edit', then you will clearly see 'Video Volume'. Then, if you don't want the video to be in silence, just import some music in. It really isn't that hard to do and I think that reflects on how lazy you are.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 23, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: yugitom on December 23, 2014, 07:55:04 AM
You're recording with Bandicam but it looks like you're also recording with a camera. Is that some effect you put in there for no reason or what? Also, are you actually saying you don't know how to mute audio in WMM? Just go to 'Edit', then you will clearly see 'Video Volume'. Then, if you don't want the video to be in silence, just import some music in. It really isn't that hard to do and I think that reflects on how lazy you are.
No, im using bandicam.And I barely use WMM, so i didnt know that.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: yugitom on December 23, 2014, 09:47:30 AM
The fact that you barely use it is not a good excuse for not even looking for the mute button. Also, if you are using bandicam, what's with the way the video moves?
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 23, 2014, 09:49:34 AM
What do you mean?
EDIT: Just realised why its happened. Youtube said the video was shaky and tried to fix it. This is the result. I will have it fixed soon. I will use the youtube settings in video manager editing to fix the stability.
EDIT 2: Im just going to delete the borked video and reupload.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: 090901 on December 23, 2014, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Avalanche on December 23, 2014, 05:28:23 AM


TL,DR: Axe Bot, Panzer Strike have possibly dodgy AI, great banter definitely has bad AI, kekscopes is ok,
new video soon, will be sped up 2x so dont use audio.

EDIT: Video up, and in testing only great banter has issues with driving. Im putting that down to too fast motors.

have you tried lowering the turnspeed and turn in the bindings
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 23, 2014, 04:19:54 PM
RedAce vs HurricaneAndrew, Craaig vs Martymidget and Both Loser Bracket Round 1 matches done.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 23, 2014, 05:22:23 PM
I don't understand why my bot keeps faceplanting. It's been in several other tournaments and it's never done that.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: The Ounce on December 23, 2014, 06:52:03 PM
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2014, 04:30:00 AM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on December 23, 2014, 05:22:23 PM
I don't understand why my bot keeps faceplanting. It's been in several other tournaments and it's never done that.
I think i set the range too high for the drum. Ill lower it a bit in the next match to try and stop it.
Quote from: The Ounce on December 23, 2014, 06:52:03 PM

Round 2! THE ENTIRETY OF IT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzHv1Fb5ws# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzHv1Fb5ws#)
I had to double speed Agaton VS Playzooki, and i couldent get the mute on only one of the clips so the entire thing has no audio.
EDIT: So with my brilliant logic because i didnt want to update the bracket before the video was out, i did the losers bracket with what i THOUGHT were the matches. Infact i got them the wrong way round.
Heres the actual losers bracket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNPgGvGK-dQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNPgGvGK-dQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 24, 2014, 06:09:25 AM
Quote from: The Ounce on December 23, 2014, 06:52:03 PM


Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: The Ounce on December 24, 2014, 06:37:08 AM
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2014, 07:41:07 AM
Ounce, this is robot combat, not knights and chivalry. :P
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: playzooki on December 24, 2014, 08:16:56 AM
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
New video up!
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Agaton on December 30, 2014, 05:42:06 AM
Quote from: playzooki on December 24, 2014, 08:16:56 AM

Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2015, 07:21:51 AM
Hello people. Id just like to apologise for the lack of updates, i took the christmas off and i havent been doing much recently due to laziness and school starting, but i will have the finishing matches up in the next week.
One thing though: Challonge is saying that there will be a match after the final if necessary. Im assuming this is if the loser bracket bot wins the final, it has to win again. Should i do this or just go with 1 final. I intend to do the 1 final because it isnt very fair if the loser backet bot dominates but then just loses out in its second match. Poll is going up.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: RedAce on January 06, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
Yes, I feel that the loser bracket winner needs to win twice to be the champion in a double elimination bracket. The format of a double elimination bracket has competitors that have lost once get a second chance in the bracket. This also applies to the competitor that remained undefeated in the winners bracket because of how a double elimination bracket works and how fair it is for everybody. Take a look at BBEANS 4-6, for example. In all three of those tournaments, the winner of the losers bracket beat the winner of the winners bracket and because that competitor was undefeated, The LB Winner needed to win again. I even took that rule into account in my last tournament, Dynamic Duos. No offense, but I don't think I need to explain something like that.


inb4 spoilers
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on January 06, 2015, 09:01:51 AM
I agree with RedAce.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
I realize why thats how it works.
I removed the poll and will do the 2 Loser Bot finals.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Natef on January 06, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
is Ebony on the exchange? i want to play around with it. it looks awesome.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: The Ounce on January 06, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Natef on January 06, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
is Ebony on the exchange? i want to play around with it. it looks awesome.
It is now:
https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/DSL_HW/The%20Ounce_EBony.bot (https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/DSL_HW/The%20Ounce_EBony.bot)
Have fun!  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Natef on January 10, 2015, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: The Ounce on January 06, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Natef on January 06, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
is Ebony on the exchange? i want to play around with it. it looks awesome.
It is now:
https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/DSL_HW/The%20Ounce_EBony.bot (https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/DSL_HW/The%20Ounce_EBony.bot)
Have fun!  :bigsmile:

whoops didnt see this post

thank you!
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: Avalanche on January 16, 2015, 04:13:48 PM
FINAL MATCHES! http://youtu.be/ltXnNP-Z_Qo (http://youtu.be/ltXnNP-Z_Qo)
No grudge matches im afraid, i could barely bring myself to finish this.
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: The Ounce on January 16, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Title: Re: First Strike Tournament Splash Brackets Videos
Post by: playzooki on January 17, 2015, 06:11:47 AM
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