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Title: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 02, 2013, 07:07:40 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/79065CombatAnts3.png)

Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 02, 2013, 08:18:11 AM
Sorry to be a party breaker, but there is a problem with this tournament.
First, I wanted to enter with the 1WD "cheapatron 2000", but Jonzu deny and added the "2 powered wheels" rule.
Then, I had to made another bot, with a 2 powered wheels this time = AW-Shiny.
Now, I see that Jonzu removed the "2WD" rule from the OP yestarday, and even alowed Badnik96 to enter with a 1 wheel spinner.
Probably Jonzu don't want to reject Badnik96's entry, and he changed the rule secretly, but I'm on my watch to save the day  :smile:
Sorry Badnik96, but... Jonzu, what the heck man?
Don't make a double standart, 1WD is a huge advantage, fix this somehow, it's unfair this way.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 02, 2013, 08:35:14 AM
TeslaSpark = Solid design but that long exposed side could be a problem in a battle royal match.

Spiiiiiiiiral = Cheap  :rage !!! J/K..sorta but if a rammer gets a hit on the front or back it might not last long. Also small arena with 2-3 other bots doesn't leave a lot of room for a SnS.

Ugly Duckling = I chose this bot because I figured it would stand the best chance in a battle royal environment considering it's spinning weapon provides attack at most angles and protects the sides most of the time and even the back a little bit some of the time.

Mosquito =  :SFTW , Not too bad for a newbie though. Should be easily outweaponed by most bots.

WhyNotZtek = One of the most unique bots here. I'm wondering if it has 1 or 2 pinks, if it has 1 then the weapon motor won't get to full speed making the use of the Ztek pointless but if it has 2 pinks then it could do OK, having 1 razor and an exposed motor will make it a bit of a glass cannon though.

Tiny Titan = A nifty powered AW with 2 Maces? Should do well as long as no bot gets a lucky hit on that T extender.

Stinky Weezleteets = Most unique bot probably, are the razors on an axle? it looks like they are and if so it could be a dark horse.

BWPA = Solid design, generic but should do well.

Shiny = A bot with 2 axe heads? So it's like Zombie but with less protection? Am I missing something here? It's an OK bot but I expected something more from Venko.

EDIT:
I also thought there was a 2 wheel drive rule. If what Venko says is true then Badnik should have to change his entry.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 02, 2013, 08:43:22 AM
Venko, I removed the 2-wheel rule many weeks ago, because I thought it would help to get more entries.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Conraaa on June 02, 2013, 09:01:28 AM
The million dollar question, Jonzu, is did you remove it at any point during signups?

I hate to side with my arch nemesis, but he might have a point.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Chaosmancer on June 02, 2013, 09:16:12 AM
WhyNotZtek = One of the most unique bots here. I'm wondering if it has 1 or 2 pinks, if it has 1 then the weapon motor won't get to full speed making the use of the Ztek pointless but if it has 2 pinks then it could do OK, having 1 razor and an exposed motor will make it a bit of a glass cannon though.

Nah, it only has one pink, and plastic armour. I only made it as an experiment to see if I could make an AW with a Ztek. It worked, but the end result is terrible, it will go out in its first match with little to no trouble due to the fact that a few of good rams from anything will remove the motor. I'm not sure the AI will stop it spinning when the bot is out of range, if not, then it will move incredibly slowly, thus making it even weaker. But, as an experiment, it worked. Just like my experiment to make a HW out of an AW chassis. Unless it gets very very lucky, it'll be out in no time at all. But at least it was quite fun making it, and shaving pixels off of the chassis to reduce weight.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 02, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
The million dollar question, Jonzu, is did you remove it at any point during signups?

I hate to side with my arch nemesis, but he might have a point.
I actually don't remember...
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 02, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
Fine if you guys really care about this then I'll pull out.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 02, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
Fine if you guys really care about this then I'll pull out.
No.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 02, 2013, 06:28:23 PM
Signups are now officially open.
The signups are open from THAT^ date. Which means, that Jonzu changed the rules drastically during the signups.
The problem is, that even if this change was a long time ago and we had the chance to re-enter, this happened secretly, without a post to tell us that the rules changed, if I saw this earlier I wouldn't entered with Shiny.
I'm NOT complainin' about Badnik96's entry, his bot is not THAT dangerous even with 1WD, he should be alowed to change his entry if Jonzu decide to fix that, but don't ban him from the tournament, cos he don't have a fault about that.
I'm complainin' about me not entering with this :
Cheapatron 2000
(http://imageshack.us/a/img248/6269/3in1.png)
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 02, 2013, 06:35:54 PM
I really CBA to make another ant so if Jonzu changes the rules then I'm dropping out
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Shield on June 02, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
Quote
Mosquito =Not too bad for a newbie though. Should be easily outweaponed by most bots.

It does have an advantage though.

It has aluminum armor  :gawe:
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: 090901 on June 02, 2013, 10:23:50 PM
Now, I see that Jonzu removed the "2WD" rule from the OP yestarday
He actually removed it a couple weeks/days ago. But yeah, Jonzu I think you should give people like 3 days to send in bots if they didn't because they thought their bot wasn't allowed.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 02, 2013, 10:28:22 PM
I thought you couldn't change the rules once the tournament went to signups, there used to be a "these are the rules and they cannot be changed" post:


- These are the rules, they cannot change at any point from now.- The following tournament is a Major League tournament as indicated by the asterisk in the title- The ending deadline for this tournament is December 09, 2011
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: 090901 on June 02, 2013, 10:30:28 PM
I thought you couldn't change the rules once the tournament went to signups
If I'm not mistaken he changed the rule to disallow 1wd bots after signups began.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 02, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
I thought you couldn't change the rules once the tournament went to signups
If I'm not mistaken he changed the rule to disallow 1wd bots after signups began.
Which if I'm right, would be against the rules. Any change is wrong especially one this big.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 03, 2013, 04:29:58 AM
Well, i barely have anything to say. I'm not Going to disqualify anyone. And Like i said, i don't remember did i change the rule before or after the signups opened.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 03, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
*crowd booing*
I'm 100% sure, that you changed the rule during the signups, trust me, I'm a "tournament rules nazi". I wanted badly to enter with C2000, but your rule stoped me.
But the biggest problem here is :
Where is your post to inform us of such a drastic rule change during the signups? So you don't have a excuse like "I changed it weeks ago, you all had enought time to change your entry".
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Conraaa on June 03, 2013, 07:42:58 AM
I agree with 090901 here. A week or so grace period for people to send in 1wd robots if so desired would stop Badnik being screwed over and give Venko a chance to send his. Everyone wins!
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 03, 2013, 07:44:20 AM
Well what I should do then? I'm open for suggestions.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 03, 2013, 07:51:29 AM
Rules shouldn't be changed, heck if we want to change everything let's make it 1v1 so it lasts longer. I say Badnik shouldn't enter his bot as that was the original rule and I don't feel like making a cheap 1 wheel drive SnS AW so if it's allowed I will withdraw my entry.

Stop trying to find/create loopholes just to screw everyone else over.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Conraaa on June 03, 2013, 08:08:14 AM
Rules shouldn't be changed, heck if we want to change everything let's make it 1v1 so it lasts longer. I say Badnik shouldn't enter his bot as that was the original rule and I don't feel like making a cheap 1 wheel drive SnS AW so if it's allowed I will withdraw my entry.

Stop trying to find/create loopholes just to screw everyone else over.

But Badnik entered his robot when 1wd robots were allowed by Jonzu. I wouldn't say he's at fault here and as such shouldn't be punished.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 03, 2013, 08:14:35 AM
So, if Jonzu allow 1WDs we lose Ianh, but if 1WDs are not allow we lose Badnik.
How can we solve this?
That's what happens when the host changes the rules...
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 03, 2013, 08:25:03 AM
Rules shouldn't be changed, heck if we want to change everything let's make it 1v1 so it lasts longer. I say Badnik shouldn't enter his bot as that was the original rule and I don't feel like making a cheap 1 wheel drive SnS AW so if it's allowed I will withdraw my entry.

Stop trying to find/create loopholes just to screw everyone else over.

But Badnik entered his robot when 1wd robots were allowed by Jonzu. I wouldn't say he's at fault here and as such shouldn't be punished.
So everyone else who wants to update their bots can change to 1WD instead of Badnik entering a 2WD like it was originally intended? either way his bot will most likely lose in this type of tournament:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88230screenshot_244.jpg)
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Conraaa on June 03, 2013, 08:33:37 AM
Rules shouldn't be changed, heck if we want to change everything let's make it 1v1 so it lasts longer. I say Badnik shouldn't enter his bot as that was the original rule and I don't feel like making a cheap 1 wheel drive SnS AW so if it's allowed I will withdraw my entry.

Stop trying to find/create loopholes just to screw everyone else over.

But Badnik entered his robot when 1wd robots were allowed by Jonzu. I wouldn't say he's at fault here and as such shouldn't be punished.
So everyone else who wants to update their bots can change to 1WD instead of Badnik entering a 2WD like it was originally intended? either way his bot will most likely lose in this type of tournament:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88230screenshot_244.jpg)

Yep. That's pretty much what I was saying.
And to answer your earlier question. Yes, those razors on my robot are on a axle. Mounted on an angled baseplate.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 03, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
look if you guys seriously care about me having a 1wd robot that I didn't even test and probably sucks in this tournament then i'll drop out. You get an even 8 bot bracket. Everyone wins.

I seriously don't even care about this tournament anyway.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 03, 2013, 09:52:36 AM
9-bot bracket works too. I'm not going to make it before we solve this out though.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 03, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
@ Jonzu :
Since, this is unsolvable (we lose one entrant in every case), I'm going to act as a gentleman and propose the real solution :
I'm removing my complain, go ahead and start it as is, Badnik's bot is not that scary after all. C2000 could increase my chances drastically, but I have the habbit to not enter with my best bots anyway, so really, go ahead like it is now...

@ Iahn :
My bot is better than Zombie, it will probably beat the UD 1 vs 1, but the rumbles however are very chaotic and everything can happen.

@ All :
Jonzu, your rules doesn't even say that your robot needs a controlled movement, it doesn't even mention any movement and doesn't forbid bumble balls. "AW-The grenade" anyone? So he better start this, before he mess it up even more...
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 03, 2013, 11:17:08 PM
@ Iahn :
My bot is better than Zombie, it will probably beat the UD 1 vs 1, but the rumbles however are very chaotic and everything can happen.
How is it better? both seem to have 2 pinks and 2 axe heads.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 05, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
Back on topic...
So, is everyone agree so we can start this, as it is?
Jonzu, what is your opinion as a host?
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 05, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
Just start it as it is now. Surprised a mod hasn't checked in to lay down the law TBH.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 05, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
Brackets added.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Conraaa on June 05, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Spiiiiral i'm not too sure on, but I think if I'm really lucky I can take off tiny titan's weapon rack in one hit.

Brackets are a bit confusing. Doe all the 2nd place robots go into another rumble, then the winner of that goes into the final rumble with the first round winners?
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 05, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
Brackets are a bit confusing. Doe all the 2nd place robots go into another rumble, then the winner of that goes into the final rumble with the first round winners?
Looks like it. Looks like I have a decent matchup, hopefully my Ugly Duckling's axe head stays on long enough to survive against Jonzu's bot.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 05, 2013, 10:31:01 AM
Yes, conraaa. Winner goes to final, second goes to the losers melee and last gets eliminated
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Mecha on June 05, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
All the bots are staying like this right? if so I'm showing the insides of my bot.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 22, 2013, 02:53:03 PM
Jonzu, any chances of..., you know..., this starting soon?
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 22, 2013, 03:59:25 PM
Oh yeah... I've been doing everything else except continuing this in the past 3 weeks. Sorry :P
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 24, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
http://youtu.be/6qGuk1KOpt4 (http://youtu.be/6qGuk1KOpt4)
First video is up.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 25, 2013, 12:05:12 PM
http://youtu.be/-AVnxEBebNs (http://youtu.be/-AVnxEBebNs)
Round 1, Battle 2.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 25, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Y U CUTED the "match results screen" from the videos?  :ermm:
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 25, 2013, 02:48:58 PM
Why doesn't my bot melty-brain around the arena? It almost got counted out in that match and I see it being a liability in the future.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 25, 2013, 08:16:28 PM
Did my bot actually get a higher score at the end of the match?
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 26, 2013, 01:52:19 AM
Just a bit, yes. It was very close match.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Chaosmancer on June 26, 2013, 09:00:30 AM
That didn't go how I thought it would... I thought I would lose my weapon sooner than that. Maybe I should enter a serious bot next time, instead of a terrible proof of concept that was already secretly done better by someone else.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 26, 2013, 11:50:07 AM
Why doesn't my bot melty-brain around the arena? It almost got counted out in that match and I see it being a liability in the future.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 26, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
It's FBS_2. Don't worry, I'm sure it won't get counted out.

...unless the wheel gets removed
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 26, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
But why? Didn't I tell you to give it melty AI?
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 26, 2013, 01:12:44 PM
But why? Didn't I tell you to give it melty AI?
Nope...
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: 090901 on June 30, 2013, 01:35:17 AM
olol badnik why did you put your weapons on a flail
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 30, 2013, 06:34:09 AM
Last battle of Round 1.
http://youtu.be/-BCPgvmE29g (http://youtu.be/-BCPgvmE29g)
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 30, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
Semifinal is uploaded.
http://youtu.be/YiXSElbc0nI (http://youtu.be/YiXSElbc0nI)
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 30, 2013, 04:57:16 PM
Grand Final Uploaded.
http://youtu.be/9RmvGi4iS-4 (http://youtu.be/9RmvGi4iS-4)

I have only 1 word for you all.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Mr. AS on June 30, 2013, 05:36:06 PM
why is it in black and white...
why is there a linkin park song slapped onto it...
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Jonzu95 on June 30, 2013, 05:59:44 PM
Because drama and ending of CA.
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 30, 2013, 06:21:03 PM
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Venko on June 30, 2013, 07:09:43 PM
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: Badnik96 on June 30, 2013, 07:19:37 PM
Title: Re: CombatAnts 3 - Splash, Brackets & Videos
Post by: ianh05 on June 30, 2013, 09:22:26 PM