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Title: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2011, 01:29:34 AM

Edit:  This was an April Fools joke.  BUT, you can now vote on what kind of tournament I should do over the summer!


The choices:





Click, I am dissapoint. I figured it was probably an April Fool, but I really wanted this tournament to happen. The idea is too awesome NOT to do.




Actually I kind of agree with you.  I've always thought it would be fun to do a stock tournament that forced players to build like it was 2003.  BUT, not everyone thinks that and it would be a little too controversial to do for BBEANS.




However... there's nothing saying that every tournament I do has to be called "BBEANS".    I was actually planning to do a little non-BBEANS tournament this summer before I move on to BBEANS7.  The prize for this tournament would be guaranteed entry into BBEANS7, so we'd get a few good veterans reserved spots.




My original idea is called "Ironbot".  It goes something like this:




- Stock HW, standard building rules.




- There is an unlimited number of entries.  I use as many as I get in a two-week time frame.




- There is no bracket.  Instead, each round bots are randomly paired off and fight.  The next round, they are paired off again (if possible, no bots will fight the same opponent two rounds in a row), and so on.




Now here's the kicker: The goal of Ironbot is not to win.  You can win every fight and still lose.  Rather, the goal of Ironbot is to SURVIVE.  Think it sounds easy?  Think again.




- Matches last 30 seconds.  Any components that break off during a fight are permanently removed for the rest of the tournament.




- If a bot is KO'd, or if it has one or zero wheels remaining, it is eliminated.  You can lose every single fight and not be eliminated, as long as you are not KO'd and can still move.




- Every bot gets one spare control board, and one spare wheel for every two wheels it starts with (so a 2WD bot gets 1 spare wheel, 4WD gets 2 spares, etc.).  So you have to get KO'd twice to be eliminated for good.  Spare wheels are applied whenever a bot loses a wheel.  If you run out of spare wheels and then end up with one or less wheels remaining, you are eliminated.




- In the case of external drive:  If the drive is attached to other components, and these break which causes the drive to break, a spare wheel can be used to replace ONLY the components that are ESSENTIAL to attach the drive.  Example: If you have an extender with a row of razors on one side and a drive motor with a wheel on the other side, and the extender breaks, only the extender and the drive will be replaced, not the razors.




- Lost wheels and weapons will be rearranged in order to make the bots as balanced as possible.  (Example: A VS with a disc with 4 irons loses two; the remaining two will be put on opposite sides of the disc.)




- When there are four or fewer bots remaining, these bots will engage in a final fight TO THE DEATH to determine the winner.  (And by TO THE DEATH, I mean a battle with "practice" set to 1 in the arena .py so there is no time limit and no immobility warnings.  The fight ends when all other bots are either KO'd or totally incapable of controlled movement.)




- The last bot standing wins!




Finally, there are just a few building restrictions.




- Popups are banned.  They get KO's too fast without breaking many other components, which defeats the purpose of Ironbot.




- Bots can have AT MOST ten casters.  Use them wisely.




And that basically covers it.  The rules may and probably will be tweaked before I make them official.




Now that's one option.  The other option is to do something like Throwback, which seems to have no small amount of interest.  If I did a Throwback tournament, though, I would make a few changes to the rules.  It WAS a joke tournament after all.  I would make it more of a "classic style" tournament rather than a SFTW tournament.  Notably:




- The chassis size and snap to grid restrictions would be ditched.




- Weight class would be changed to MW.  (Believe it or not, HW used to be frowned upon and MW was the "standard" class.)




- The weapons in the banned weapon list would be allowed, but with a limit of six total.  (There is no limit on the number of other weapons.)




- The banned wheels would be allowed.




- Side attachment points on extenders can be used, but NOT for attaching weapons.  (This includes standard double-weapon tribar setups even though the side points are not directly used for weapons.)  This is mainly to prevent standard rammer and tribar HS setups which didn't exist until relatively late in RA2 history.  Back in the day, people used to use T connectors and Y connectors for that sort of thing.




- Obviously the ballast rule would be ditched.




And I think that about covers it.  All the other rules on page 1 of this thread would be in effect.  The rules may still be tweaked though depending on feedback.




So those are my two ideas.  I think I'll make a poll and see which one is more popular.


Original April 1st post follows:

YES THAT'S RIGHT, I figure it's about time to lay down the rules for BBEANS7 and prepare for signups.  :mrgreen:


As you may have noticed, BBEANS7: Throwback is the first BBEANS tournament to feature its own SUBTITLE!!!  You know things are seriously big-time when it has a subtitle.  Just hang on for a bit and I'll tell you what the subtitle is all about.


First of all, the basic rules of the tournament.


1.  BBEANS General Rules (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/bbeans/index.htm) are in effect.


2.  This tournament is for stock (no mods) RA2.  The weight limit is 650 kg.


3.  The arena is the BBEANS Tournament Arena V2.


4.  The bracket is standard double elimination, 64 entry slots.


5.  Match format is two minutes, best two out of three matches.


And that about covers it for general rules.  So far it seems like a pretty basic stock tournament with a bit unconventional weight class... well if you think that, you're wrong.  Here's why it's subtitled Throwback:


BOT RESTRICTIONS


1.  All of the chassis must be designed with Snap to Grid on, and the baseplate must cover an area of at least 50 grid squares.  Alternatively, you may use the Rectangle or Circle chassis shape function (the 50-square area still applies).


2.  Parts used on the stock AI bots, Snapper II's, and 140cm extenders are banned.  Only components that are visible when you first install the game are allowed.


3.  Restricted Weapons: No weapons weighing 12 kgs or less are allowed except for chew blades.  This means that razor tips, 30cm pole spikes, 50cm pole spikes, pointy tips, single-sided ice picks, iron spikes, maces, axe heads, 40cm blades, and 60cm blades are banned.  IN ADDITION, spiked clubs and spike strips are banned.


4.  In pure flippers ONLY, small wedges are allowed.  In all other bots they are banned.  By pure flipper, I mean a bot with no weapons capable of dealing damage.


5.  Limit on numbers of weapons:  You can use a maximum of ten (10) of the same kinds of weapons.  So if you use fireman axes, you can only have 10 at most, but you can still have another 10 battle axes if you want.  Saw blades of all sizes count as the same weapon.


6.  Front, side, and rear caster armor is banned.  Casters mounted on the underside of the chassis used for balance are OK (but use no more than necessary).


7.  Only the two attach points on the ends of extenders (any length or shape) may be used.  The two side attach points cannot be used.


8.  Only TWO (2) HP Z-tek motors MAXIMUM may be used PER ENTRY (either for drive or weapons).  (2 multibots still equals one entry.)  Other motors are unlimited.


9.  Limited basic stacking is allowed, but all other glitches are banned.  The only stacking allowed is with baseplate anchors or small battery packs.  (No stacking Supervolts.)  However, components may be "stacked" using motors to rotate them into position (as in EMERGENCY).


10.  Shiny Hub wheels, Rubber wheels, and Slipperbottom wheels are banned.


11.  Double-strength aluminum armor is banned.  If you use aluminum, it must be the regular kind.  If you want stronger armor, use *gasp* titanium or steel.


12.  All bots must have a skin.  It doesn't have to be anything fancy, it just can't be blank white.  If in doubt, just use lava.bmp with bloody drips, radiation trifoils, kill fangs, and gratuitous surface layer effects.


13.  You MAY exceed the 650 kg weight limit, up to 800 kgs, but ONLY if all of the extra weight is used for ballasts AND if your bot is not a pure flipper with small wedges.  (Pure flippers with small wedges must be below 650 kgs even if they use ballasts.)




And that about covers it for the special rules.  See why it's called Throwback?  Because we're going back to the n00b ages, baby.  No modern combat-effective designs here.  RA2 veterans and total newbies alike will be on an even playing field.  May the best SFTW win!




PRIZES


As usual, the standard BBEANS prize pack will be up for grabs for the Champion, runner-up, rumble winner, and any bonus prize winners.


However, there's also an additional prize.  The Champion, runner-up, and rumble winner will all get a guaranteed reserved entry spot into BBEANS8!  This spot will be reserved for two weeks after signups fill up, and if it's not claimed by then, the next person to enter will get it.


When do signups open?


Signups will open two months from now, on JUNE 1st 2011.  You have that long to build.  You have no excuse not to have your entry ready!


Now get building, noobs!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Ben Purse on April 01, 2011, 01:33:24 AM
BBEANS YAY!!!!
Edit: April Fooled :(
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jonzu95 on April 01, 2011, 01:58:30 AM
I knew this is april fools. You didn't fool me, click. :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on April 01, 2011, 01:58:40 AM
On one hand - It's still March 31st where I am, the rules seem very thorough and thought out, and it's conceivable that someone would come up with something like this for a serious tourney.

On the other hand - For what's supposed to be the most prestigious tournament here, it's a dumb idea. And in most parts of the world, it's April Fools Day and Clickbeetle has a history of April Fools jokes...

*Decides to watch intently from the sidelines*
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
For what's supposed to be the most prestigious tournament here, it's a dumb idea.


 :(


Well let's just see what other people think.  I thought it would be kinda cool being forced to build SFTW's.  It puts everyone at the same level, and could really open up some new design possibilities as you're forced to use new components you never used before.


Oh, and I am aware of what day it is/soon will be.  If you think this is my joke, just wait around a bit and see what else happens.  ;)


In any case, it seems an appropriate day to start a SFTW-themed tourney, don't you think?


Edit:  If a lot of people are really against this idea though, I may be persuaded to do something more conventional instead.  But give the special rules some consideration first.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 01, 2011, 05:29:53 AM
Hehe. Noob Wars IV. =P It's an alright idea, I guess, though it may produce some similar bots in the end. I'm not sure it's really deserving of the BBEANS title, personally, BBEANS is supposed to be kinda the pinnacle of RA2 creation, I don't think we should be going backwards with it.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 05:44:35 AM
Sigh, I hate april fools day.....oh god, i bet backlash was an april fools aswell, and the download was just a SFTW bot file.
On the other hand, this, and backlash could be legit I suppose.
Still, yeah, the rules are a nice idea, some of them seem like good ideas, some of them seem bad though.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: JoeBlo on April 01, 2011, 05:46:00 AM
I love the idea..

and with BBEANS in the title its bound to fill up..

could be the easiest BBEANS title you ever win :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Enigm@ on April 01, 2011, 06:25:06 AM
I was thinking of something moar conventional. (Especially  for BBEANS)
And I don't like building SFTW's in stock.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scrap Daddy on April 01, 2011, 07:35:13 AM
you got me
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Naryar on April 01, 2011, 08:48:45 AM
BBEANS7 ??? Great ! I'll build my bot ASAP click !
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 01, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
I hope this isn't April Fools because I would totally stick around for this. It looks like a lot of fun, and building a good "bad" bot presents a unique challenge.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: FOTEPX on April 01, 2011, 10:26:52 AM
I hope this isn't April Fools because I would totally stick around for this. It looks like a lot of fun, and building a good "bad" bot presents a unique challenge.

For the first time, you sick freak, I agree with you.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: G.K. on April 01, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
I hope this isn't April Fools because I would totally stick around for this. It looks like a lot of fun, and building a good "bad" bot presents a unique challenge.

^^This^^
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Conraaa on April 01, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
I hope this isn't April Fools because I would totally stick around for this. It looks like a lot of fun, and building a good "bad" bot presents a unique challenge.
Same
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: FOTEPX on April 01, 2011, 10:37:31 AM
Already built my bot. 4FS that complies with every rule on there.

Problem, Click?  :trollface
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 01, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Seeing that BBEANS has exhausted nearly every avenue of effective bot building, I think that this could be a cool, interesting, and exciting (no standout SFTWs, more even matches) BBEANS. I would definitely compete.

Unless its and April Fools Joke...
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 10:41:55 AM
DAMIT I CANT USE MUD TIRES!!!!!!!1!1!!one
....
I wanted my robot to use those ;-;
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Gazea2 on April 01, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
I thought that this was true... And then I got reminded that it was April Fools day... I hope this is an actual tournament.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on April 01, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
Sounds like fun...although what weapons ARE legal?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 11:02:12 AM
I thought that this was true... And then I got reminded that it was April Fools day... I hope this is an actual tournament.
Knowing Click, the prize is another "Laser Gun", and the link goes to a .gif-smiley saying: "APRIL FOOLS LOL"
....Like what he did back in 07.
Though I admit, it was pretty hilarious.

Either way, I'm building a bot. Mostly because it will give me something to do.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Vertigo on April 01, 2011, 11:05:51 AM
This is SO an April Fool's joke :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Resetti's Replicas on April 01, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
Even if this was originally a joke, then please Click, do consider doing it for real.  It's a very original idea, and I think the end result will be really cool
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: MikeNCR on April 01, 2011, 11:21:15 AM
Joke or not, this sounds legitimately fun.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 12:07:35 PM
J'S ENTRY IS FINISHED AND READY TO GO!
(I have a feeling I'm going to get like -50 Reps if it sees the light of day, but ehh.... >___>)

Also, I noticed this just now...
Click said a max of 2 HP Z-Teks.
But we can have an unlimited number of Normal Z-Teks.

.........
Exploitable loophole, maybe?
That, or the OP needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Reier on April 01, 2011, 12:09:40 PM
CB does this every year and you guys always fall for it :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 12:11:25 PM
I think it's an april fools, too many things ruled out, I an just imagine click going on more and more as he thought of new things to ban.
Still, it could be great fun if about half the rules were scrapped or relaxed if you ask me, some of the rules are definately overkill.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Naryar on April 01, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
Sending my bot now !
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 12:31:19 PM
Do we just PM the robots to Click?
Also, are we required to make a Splash?

you guys always fall for it :P
That, that we do.
But we do it for the lulz.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Wolfsbane on April 01, 2011, 12:35:02 PM
Count me in!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 12:36:54 PM
Yeah, PM the bots to click like Nar's done, you don't need a splash really, you could make one though if you wanted i guess.
Sending my bot now.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 01, 2011, 12:38:10 PM
Got a prototype worked out. I might need to tweak it a little bit, though.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on April 01, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Is this real or not. Because if it is I will build a bot soon. But it could be not real which is what it is.

Edit: 1300th post
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Vertigo on April 01, 2011, 12:47:39 PM
lol
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
J'S ENTRY HAS BEEN SENT IN!
I am well prepared for the chaos that awaits me.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 01, 2011, 01:08:19 PM
In two months...
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 01:17:05 PM
Is this real or not. Because if it is I will build a bot soon. But it could be not real which is what it is.

Edit: 1300th post
It is real.
Send your bots now.
Get all the bots in now to hurry things along, i don't want to wait for this awesomeness.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 01, 2011, 01:20:20 PM
Scorpion you fail at April Fools. Obviously we cannot send for this totally real tourney until June 1st!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 01:23:30 PM
Scorpion you fail at April Fools. Obviously we cannot send for this totally real tourney until June 1st!
I was playing along with Nar's april fools thing of acting like a n00b, besides, i've got J to send ;P
It would be great if i'd got people to send in loads of bots for this to click, teaches him right for playing such a confusing april fools/tourney XD
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: MassimoV on April 01, 2011, 01:50:38 PM
Well there's a nice start to April *hint*. If the rules aren't joking for later, I just have to say; I. HATE. STOCK.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
Well there's a nice start to April *hint*. If the rules aren't joking for later, I just have to say; I. HATE. STOCK.
If the rules aren't joking, I just have to say, why not SHW?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Badnik96 on April 01, 2011, 02:29:59 PM
oh heckz yeah...

If this is an April Fools, then nice one Click.

If not, then this is the best opportunity I've had to improve on my 2nd rank last season. Heck, I could make the top 10 global rankings this time!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 01, 2011, 02:53:08 PM
Don't be so sure. ;)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: lloopp D lloopp on April 01, 2011, 03:06:23 PM
That's Click's April Triiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicks!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 01, 2011, 03:08:39 PM
I know, but I'm hoping if he sees enough interest in it, he'll actually do it. :gawe:
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Enigm@ on April 01, 2011, 03:53:07 PM
I've looked through Click's posts on April 1st, and they are all jokes. :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: freeziez on April 01, 2011, 04:00:56 PM
So...this is fake?  :embarr

How horrible...
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jonzu95 on April 01, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
meh. I knew it all the time.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on April 01, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I figured out because I remembered the last time he did a BBEANS joke on April Fools.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Hard Bot on April 01, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
This is my rookie year...
This is my chance to be (in)famous!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on April 01, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
This is my rookie year...
This is my chance to be (in)famous!
You know this thread is a joke not the actual one.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Hard Bot on April 01, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
This is not a joke. This looks real!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Conraaa on April 01, 2011, 04:30:21 PM
The best april fools look real, Hard.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
I've looked through Click's posts on April 1st, and they are all jokes. :P
But we all played a long and actually did stuff just to make it more of a joke then it needed to be.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
I see there is still some confusion about whether this tournament is real or not.  Let me dispel any such qualms:


Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: S.T.C. on April 01, 2011, 06:46:55 PM
Was I the only one who figured this out almost right away?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 01, 2011, 06:48:08 PM
We all knew in the backs of our minds but we wanted to deny it because its BBEANS! Good way to reveal it though Click.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 01, 2011, 06:48:53 PM
lol, to be fair, I didn't see that thing.
Now, click.....BBEANS 7, SHW plox ;P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 01, 2011, 07:15:01 PM
Ahahaha...that's actually quite clever. I have to commend you on that.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: JoeBlo on April 01, 2011, 07:43:32 PM
Was I the only one who figured this out almost right away?

The staff were all in the know... thats why we played along  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: 090901 on April 01, 2011, 07:45:54 PM
You know what i was thinking last night?
If click was going to do a April Fool's BBEANS
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: S.T.C. on April 01, 2011, 07:53:02 PM
Was I the only one who figured this out almost right away?

The staff were all in the know... thats why we played along  :mrgreen:
Rules 12 and 13 gave it out for me lol.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 01, 2011, 08:04:43 PM
I see there is still some confusion about whether this tournament is real or not.  Let me dispel any such qualms:


CLICK! PLEASE TELL ME YOU STILL HAVE THAT APRIL FOOLS DAY .GIF
....
Either that, or we have to resort to the archives.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
You mean this one?


(http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/images/april1.gif)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scrap Daddy on April 01, 2011, 08:12:09 PM
hahahahaha
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on April 01, 2011, 08:31:46 PM
The fact that you POSTED THIS ON MARCH 31ST was the bit that had me skeptical that it may be real.

But knowing you, I guessed it was a hoax.

You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. So shame on you CB, you got all the kiddies hopes up :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2011, 08:33:43 PM
you POSTED THIS ON MARCH 31ST


It was midnight on April 1st where I am.  :p


I do have plans for a real tournament, it will just have to wait for summer when I'm not quite so busy.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Vertigo on April 02, 2011, 01:31:01 AM
lol
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2011, 09:31:17 AM
*Hopes BBEANS 8 is DSL HW, standard rules*

I can always dream...
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Vertigo on April 02, 2011, 09:59:19 AM
It should be
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 02, 2011, 10:37:25 AM
If Click wanted too, we could go back through. The only people really active from BBEANS 1 are Click and MNB, although we know FB would compete too. BBEANS 2 also.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 02, 2011, 11:01:27 AM
That's kinda true. Plus the level of bot building from BBEANS 1 has increased significantly, I feel. Mike'll probably still be around for BBEANS 8, if that happens.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 02, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
I've been around too long to take click seriously about anything on April 1st.  :P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Thyrus on April 02, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
why not making a tournament where users can send bots they had for other tourneys but the tourney got canceled?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Resetti's Replicas on April 02, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
Remember when Click released the fake Kenzorg Arena on April Fool's?  He released the real one a copule days later, and I was hoping against hope that this would be a similar case.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 02, 2011, 11:33:09 AM
So now that it's April 2nd-
Wait, why would the next BBeans be DSL?

You mean this one?


(http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/images/april1.gif)
That is still one the best .gifs ever.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 02, 2011, 11:55:07 AM
Because it alternates between Stock and DSL. I'm hoping that a similar situation that S_R described happens here as well. =]
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Little lost bot on April 02, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
Aww I was hoping this was for real. Make every go with out all the 'Do it right' rules and see what comes out. I was thinking of acutely firing up the game to crank something out for this but if its not really happening.... oh well then.


(Well page 5 posts seemed to indicate this one was a joke)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 02, 2011, 10:19:44 PM
Aww I was hoping this was for real. Make every go with out all the 'Do it right' rules and see what comes out. I was thinking of acutely firing up the game to crank something out for this but if its not really happening.... oh well then.
Funny thing is, I actually went out of my way to slap something together.
It actually turned out pretty funny.
I'M CURE CLICK WILL FIND THAT ROBOT LOL-TASTIC.
(Because I actually did send that robot)

Of course, it was a total joke-bot which wss in-capable on winning.
But the bot's name and skin is what makes it hilarious. Well, to me that is.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Badnik96 on April 03, 2011, 11:54:49 AM
aww...

Well, I wasted all of 2 seconds to try and think of something. Ah well, next topic.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 03, 2011, 01:08:08 PM
Click, I am dissapoint. I figured it was probably an April Fool, but I really wanted this tournament to happen. The idea is too awesome NOT to do.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 03, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Click, I am dissapoint. I figured it was probably an April Fool, but I really wanted this tournament to happen. The idea is too awesome NOT to do.
I don't think it's that good TBH.
And what's the harm in having just a normal tournament, like BBEANS always is?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 03, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
Because, there's a million of those "normal tournaments" and they're B-O-R-I-N-G.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 03, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
Is there?
Every tourney i've seen seems to have some kind of unique rule.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Conraaa on April 03, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
Because unique rules are fun
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 03, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
Yes, but I stilll think there should be a normal, straight up tourney like BBEANS is though.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: J on April 03, 2011, 06:49:31 PM
B-O-R-I-N-G.
Honestly, I just read this section of Nerdbomb's post with Pinkie Pie's voice.

Because unique rules are fun
ALL ROBOTS MUST LOOK LIKE A HELICOPTOR!
 :gawe:
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 03, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
Heh, I built a helicopter bot once, completely in stock too, but we can save that kind of thing for the "Our Replicas are Different" tournament. As I said before, I thought this tournament presented a very unique building challenge. You still could use basic building techniques like minimizing empty space, but you had to think of ways to make your bot powerful other than "stack over 9000 razor tips onto tri-bars attached to boosted HP-Ztecs."
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Paranoia on April 04, 2011, 07:06:52 AM
Awww, I Wanted to enter a mediocre robot to compete...  :realmad(
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 04, 2011, 10:56:29 PM

Click, I am dissapoint. I figured it was probably an April Fool, but I really wanted this tournament to happen. The idea is too awesome NOT to do.


Actually I kind of agree with you.  I've always thought it would be fun to do a stock tournament that forced players to build like it was 2003.  BUT, not everyone thinks that and it would be a little too controversial to do for BBEANS.


However... there's nothing saying that every tournament I do has to be called "BBEANS". ;)    I was actually planning to do a little non-BBEANS tournament this summer before I move on to BBEANS7.  The prize for this tournament would be guaranteed entry into BBEANS7, so we'd get a few good veterans reserved spots.


My original idea is called "Ironbot".  It goes something like this:


- Stock HW, standard building rules.


- There is an unlimited number of entries.  I use as many as I get in a two-week time frame.


- There is no bracket.  Instead, each round bots are randomly paired off and fight.  The next round, they are paired off again (if possible, no bots will fight the same opponent two rounds in a row), and so on.


Now here's the kicker: The goal of Ironbot is not to win.  You can win every fight and still lose.  Rather, the goal of Ironbot is to SURVIVE.  Think it sounds easy?  Think again.


- Matches last 30 seconds.  Any components that break off during a fight are permanently removed for the rest of the tournament.


- If a bot is KO'd, or if it has one or zero wheels remaining, it is eliminated.  You can lose every single fight and not be eliminated, as long as you are not KO'd and can still move.


- Every bot gets one spare control board, and one spare wheel for every two wheels it starts with (so a 2WD bot gets 1 spare wheel, 4WD gets 2 spares, etc.).  So you have to get KO'd twice to be eliminated for good.  Spare wheels are applied whenever a bot loses a wheel.  If you run out of spare wheels and then end up with one or less wheels remaining, you are eliminated.


- In the case of external drive:  If the drive is attached to other components, and these break which causes the drive to break, a spare wheel can be used to replace ONLY the components that are ESSENTIAL to attach the drive.  Example: If you have an extender with a row of razors on one side and a drive motor with a wheel on the other side, and the extender breaks, only the extender and the drive will be replaced, not the razors.


- Lost wheels and weapons will be rearranged in order to make the bots as balanced as possible.  (Example: A VS with a disc with 4 irons loses two; the remaining two will be put on opposite sides of the disc.)


- When there are four or fewer bots remaining, these bots will engage in a final fight TO THE DEATH to determine the winner.  (And by TO THE DEATH, I mean a battle with "practice" set to 1 in the arena .py so there is no time limit and no immobility warnings.  The fight ends when all other bots are either KO'd or totally incapable of controlled movement.)


- The last bot standing wins!


Finally, there are just a few building restrictions.


- Popups are banned.  They get KO's too fast without breaking many other components, which defeats the purpose of Ironbot.


- Bots can have AT MOST ten casters.  Use them wisely.


And that basically covers it.  The rules may and probably will be tweaked before I make them official.


Now that's one option.  The other option is to do something like Throwback, which seems to have no small amount of interest.  If I did a Throwback tournament, though, I would make a few changes to the rules.  It WAS a joke tournament after all.  I would make it more of a "classic style" tournament rather than a SFTW tournament.  Notably:


- The chassis size and snap to grid restrictions would be ditched.


- Weight class would be changed to MW.  (Believe it or not, HW used to be frowned upon and MW was the "standard" class.)


- The weapons in the banned weapon list would be allowed, but with a limit of six total.  (There is no limit on the number of other weapons.)


- The banned wheels would be allowed.


- Side attachment points on extenders can be used, but NOT for attaching weapons.  (This includes standard double-weapon tribar setups even though the side points are not directly used for weapons.)  This is mainly to prevent standard rammer and tribar HS setups which didn't exist until relatively late in RA2 history.  Back in the day, people used to use T connectors and Y connectors for that sort of thing.


- Obviously the ballast rule would be ditched.


And I think that about covers it.  All the other rules on page 1 of this thread would be in effect.  The rules may still be tweaked though depending on feedback.


So those are my two ideas.  I think I'll make a poll and see which one is more popular.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Thyrus on April 04, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
Damn :/ I don`t want to sound like someone who says "I had that idea too" cause it sounds like a lie but I really was thinking about the thing with removing the components if they fall off. but that would be a quite anoying thing to put every bot back in botlab to delete the components and put it back in the AI folder and stuff.

that tourney sounds nice. I would enter if the unlimited entries aren`t filled till I have something
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 04, 2011, 11:24:34 PM
First post edited for convenience.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: JoeBlo on April 05, 2011, 05:31:19 AM
Truth is I didn't really like your April fools rules.. (obviously the point of the joke)

But I do like the true throwback rules you corrected and Ironbot, both could pass for BBEANS level easy and sure sound fun..

It could be worth the try.. I tried something rather different for CC3.. but then again I kinda regretted that :P err so that doesnt help your thought process much..
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Enigm@ on April 05, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
I actually like the "classic" rules for Throwback.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Naryar on April 05, 2011, 09:47:42 AM
I like both ideas for now.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: RedSawn on April 05, 2011, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: Clickbeetle
My original idea is called "Ironbot".

*Had an DSL tourney concept called "Iron Bot" revolving around heavy weapons and invincible chassis, the only way to win is by physically immobilizing the opponent*
 :FFFUUU
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Gazea2 on April 05, 2011, 12:12:43 PM
I like the sound of Iron-bot. Throwback also sounds good.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 05, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
They both sound awesome but I had to vote for Ironbot.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jonzu95 on April 05, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
I have a suggestion, BBEANS7 Could be REALISTIC Stock MW. 96 entries just like in Robot Wars Style. ;)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: 090901 on April 05, 2011, 04:49:50 PM
I have a suggestion, BBEANS7 Could be REALISTIC Stock MW. 96 entries just like in Robot Wars Style. ;)
no
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Thyrus on April 05, 2011, 11:13:29 PM
haha realistic Stock MW :'D what a stupid idea xD
ohh man... totaly made my day :D


Make it DSL!
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 06, 2011, 12:38:01 AM
Hey, realistic stock is NOT a stupid idea. Stop being so closed-minded. Unrealistic DSL would be awesome too. Also, is it wrong that I still like the idea of a 650kg weight limit for Throwback? It's just so random.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jonzu95 on April 06, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
Guys! Really! Stock is the REAL RA2! We should have Robot Wars stylish tournament.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Sparkey98 on April 06, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
I'm not even kidding, next BBEANS me and Jonzu should make the fight music.  I'm not as good as he is but I can make some nice beats. (which I need to upload)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on April 06, 2011, 02:45:13 PM
I'm not even kidding, next BBEANS me and Jonzu should make the fight music.  I'm not as good as he is but I can make some nice beats. (which I need to upload)
Sparkey and Jonzu doing fight music? Spare me the thought...if it comes to that, I might as well use this instead-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2UP86bciVA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2UP86bciVA#)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Sparkey98 on April 06, 2011, 02:46:18 PM
Jonzu is good. I'm new to FL so I can only make drum and base beats which are still pretty good. (which once again aren't on my Chanel so don't start posting crap I already have up '-')
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on April 06, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
Jonzu is good. I'm new to FL so I can only make drum and base beats which are still pretty good. (which once again aren't on my Chanel so don't start posting crap I already have up '-')
Even still, I'd pay at least £5 to see Click, ACAMS and Naryar fighting to the music I suggested    :approve:
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Natef on April 06, 2011, 02:49:08 PM
I'd be cool with a Stock MW tourney like BBEANS 1.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on April 06, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
I'd be cool with a Stock MW tourney like BBEANS 1.
Same here, actually.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 06, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
I'd be cool with a Stock MW tourney like BBEANS 1.
Same here, actually.
QFT
But I believe click said this is just a nice lickle summer tourney, so i'm k with that, and a stock MW BBEANS.
Still, haven't voted, coz they both seem like quite good ideas.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on April 06, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
I thought it was going to loop back around as well and go Stock MW again. I guess that'll work, though.

Depending on which one works, I'll try and make something that should go far.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Badnik96 on April 06, 2011, 06:12:38 PM
Meh Throwback is easier to build for as I suck at hardcore stock bots
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 06, 2011, 11:53:57 PM
If the next BBEANS is stock MW, I might enter, just to make up for Wolverine.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Sage on April 07, 2011, 03:20:43 PM
IRONBOT IS AMAZING
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 07, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
I choose Ironbot.

A while back I tried making a bot similar within the rules of throwback, but it ended up being kinda aggravating.  The inner-naryar in me cried like a little girl lost in the night over all the empty space. I just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: yoda9726 on April 07, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
The inner-naryar in me cried like a little girl lost in the night over all the empty space. I just couldn't do it.


*looks at your ORAD entry and smirks*
 
I chose Ironbot as well.  I wouldn't wanna run it, but it's a cool idea
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 07, 2011, 09:02:42 PM
The inner-naryar in me cried like a little girl lost in the night over all the empty space. I just couldn't do it.


*looks at your ORAD entry and smirks*
 
I chose Ironbot as well.  I wouldn't wanna run it, but it's a cool idea

XD

You got me there.  lol
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Meganerdbomb on April 07, 2011, 10:08:01 PM
I choose Ironbot.

A while back I tried making a bot similar within the rules of throwback, but it ended up being kinda aggravating.  The inner-naryar in me cried like a little girl lost in the night over all the empty space. I just couldn't do it.
There was no rule in Throwback that required you to have empty space.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 08, 2011, 04:20:35 AM
I choose Ironbot.

A while back I tried making a bot similar within the rules of throwback, but it ended up being kinda aggravating.  The inner-naryar in me cried like a little girl lost in the night over all the empty space. I just couldn't do it.
There was no rule in Throwback that required you to have empty space.

Oh snap! I didn't read the revised rules.  I thought we would still have to use a full grid chassis.   :dead:

Tired... I want a beer. Oh, it's 5:20 a.m.  Maybe later.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2011, 05:00:13 AM
What ? An inner naryar cannot possibly cry unless onions are involved !
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Badger on April 09, 2011, 04:00:12 AM
What ? An inner naryar cannot possibly cry unless onions are involved !
But an inner Naryar-esque (spelling?) being can.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: freeziez on April 09, 2011, 07:29:54 AM
Ironbot. That is all.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GarvinTheGreat on April 09, 2011, 12:08:23 PM
Im gonna enter. This will be my first BBEANS
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: ty4er on April 09, 2011, 12:10:38 PM
Im gonna enter. This will be my first BBEANS
Hello  :gawe:
Well i can't enter because i accidentaly deleted stock  :gawe:
I might re-install but...
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: 090901 on April 09, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
This will take place during the Summer, u guies have plenty of time
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jack Daniels on April 09, 2011, 01:18:56 PM
Im gonna enter. This will be my first BBEANS

Good to hear. However, it is going to be a while before Click starts everything up.

Start a showcase and show us some of your bots. Then we can help you build better and get ready for the tournament.

Welcome to the forums.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 09, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
I'd be cool with a Stock MW tourney like BBEANS 1.
Same here, actually.
QFT
But I believe click said this is just a nice lickle summer tourney, so i'm k with that, and a stock MW BBEANS.
Still, haven't voted, coz they both seem like quite good ideas.


Well prepare to be cool then... after Ironbot/Throwback I will do BBEANS7, which I've decided will be stock LW/MW/HW.  Three separate 32-bot brackets and competitors are allowed to pick up to two of them to enter.  Kind of like Battlebots with multiple weight divisions.  Or I could do three 64-bot brackets with single elimination to cut down on the number of videos, since having multiple bots in other weight classes somewhat eliminates the need for a second chance in a loser's bracket.


</speculation>


In related news it looks like Ironbot and Throwback are both popular.  If there was a clear majority for one of them I would do that... but I think it will come down to my own personal preference.  I'll have to run a quick Ironbot test run and see how much work it is and whether the fights get too boring late in the tournament or not.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Somebody on April 09, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
I like the BBEANS 7 idea. A good solution. I think that 3 64-bot brackets with single elim would work better personally.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Natef on April 09, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Jonzu95 on April 09, 2011, 11:21:20 PM
Sounds good. =D
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Scorpion on April 10, 2011, 04:25:38 AM
Very cool idea, nicely thought out click.
And, i've decided i'm  gonna vote for throwback now ;P
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Wolfsbane on July 27, 2011, 01:25:35 PM
When do signups close? i can't play RA2 until the 6th of august, so can u make it so i can fit within a 3-day time limit?

Edit: would u guys help me? i've only played DSL, so can someone help me find out which weapons are the best besides razors via the ratio hp/kgs? (i think razors are great weapons, but if they break in ironbot, your screwed. CURSE YOU 1000HP!)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: NFX on July 27, 2011, 01:28:31 PM
Signups haven't started for this yet. The Ironbot signups are open for not very long.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 27, 2011, 01:32:07 PM
Are Ramplates allowed as part of a pure flipper?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on July 27, 2011, 09:06:48 PM
Are Ramplates allowed as part of a pure flipper?

They would be, but I'm not doing the Throwback tournament, I'm doing Ironbot.  Please use the Ironbot thread for further discussion:
 
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,7046.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,7046.0.html)
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 27, 2011, 09:07:57 PM
Oh. Curses. Is Throwback coming later, or has it been shelved?
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Wolfsbane on July 27, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
idk, but you're my partner for ironbot hopefully.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: Clickbeetle on July 27, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
I still think it's a cool idea so I might do it at some point, but it will be in the far distant future if so.  Certainly after BBEANS7.
Title: Re: BBEANS7: Throwback
Post by: GoldenFox93 on July 27, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
I still think it's a cool idea so I might do it at some point, but it will be in the far distant future if so.  Certainly after BBEANS7.
Ah, that's good to hear, then. Might give me an excuse to build a pure flipper in stock like in old times  :3