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Title: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on June 13, 2016, 11:08:20 AM
Hello again!

First off, thanks to all who watched and took part in Banter Wars 1.5! The final can be found here: https://youtu.be/XdQiFqxKcxQ

So, the next step is Banter Wars Series 2! This time, I'm going full production mode! It's going to take a long time to creat the series, but I'm hoping it's going to be a huge improvement on previous episodes. This will be a thread for feedback, updates and just generally anything to do with the new series!

Here's a list of GTM members entered into the series:

Badnik96
FOTEPX
Dead Genocide
Tetra10
WenXiangLee
Mazakari
Thrackerzod

The final draw for the heat should go up this Friday!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: WeN on June 14, 2016, 07:24:10 AM
I can't wait to see this!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Hi5er on June 14, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
Just found the original thread!

Are places still open for bots to be submitted?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on June 14, 2016, 03:56:47 PM
Just found the original thread!

Are places still open for bots to be submitted?

I'm afraid not! Filming has started.

Keep your eyes open for submissions openings for Series 3 though!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FOTEPX on June 14, 2016, 05:48:35 PM
Just found the original thread!

Are places still open for bots to be submitted?

I'm afraid not! Filming has started.

Keep your eyes open for submissions openings for Series 3 though!

Heads-up for the commentary - you can refer to me as FOTEPX if you dare pronounce it (pronounced foe-tep-ex), although the names Shima33 and Flight Of The Eagle Productions X are also available. Accredit me how you will! :p
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: DeadGenocide on June 14, 2016, 09:15:57 PM
Panzer Inversion

I think you might want to change that to my GTM name instead
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: WeN on June 17, 2016, 06:48:53 AM
Dead Genocide

I think you might want to change that to my GTM name instead
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on June 17, 2016, 12:29:36 PM
The final draw is made! You are all drawn in the main competition, with some interesting battles ahead...

https://youtu.be/kevz3zEby-Y
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on June 18, 2016, 04:23:39 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48289TitleCard.jpg)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on June 19, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Adam that is a great logo!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on June 20, 2016, 04:35:24 AM
The new intro is here! Share it around if you enjoy it!

https://youtu.be/-oOrc1xgizQ
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on July 21, 2016, 01:19:42 PM
Here's an update on the new series! You can see some animation bits in there, too.

https://youtu.be/VwpErh91Qg4
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on July 21, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
I like it and also the fact you really do put a lot of effort in them :) . cant wait to see Orange Avenger 2 in action
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on August 28, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
The Banter Wars Series 2 trailer! =D

https://youtu.be/sH5U0bDTZ-s
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on September 09, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
It's here! =D

https://youtu.be/on6gXPMKzOQ
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
Honestly man, the observer bot is really poorly done. In the 3rd fight you righted a bot that was out of the match. I understand the desire to prevent typical RA2 pushing matches, but the current solution is worse than just editing them out I feel.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on September 09, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Badger it's meant to keep the fights going and if the robot is put in a position where it can't move multiple times it will leave it. It's not like any other generic forgettable GTM tournament there not all try hard for starters it's a LOT more unpredictable
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on September 09, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
Honestly man, the observer bot is really poorly done. In the 3rd fight you righted a bot that was out of the match. I understand the desire to prevent typical RA2 pushing matches, but the current solution is worse than just editing them out I feel.

I'm sorry you feel that way! The robot was righted because the series is meant for entertainment, and the game was losing that. The whole point of the Observabot is to keep battles going at a reasonable pace (or try to, anyway!)

I hope you enjoyed the episode despite the Observabot!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badnik96 on October 14, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
Based on the recent heat and the performance of my robot (which was edited heavily without my knowledge or consent), I believe that AHOG has no intention of running a "fair and balanced" competition. If that's what you signed up for, prepare to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
Look Badnik... I'm sure you may feel like you've been rudely kicked out of the competition, but the fact of the matter is that you lost, we all loose a lot of things, I'm sure you've lost your fair share of GTM tournaments, we improve our robots by failing and seeing what went wrong, granted that the Observabot was being unfair pushing you around when it should be unbias, but if you look around at other sports, there is always one mistake or one bias ref/judge that screws the potential of someone or a team that could have surely won it! Maybe if you add a srimech to it next year it could probably be a lot better and when the Observabot tries pushing your robot around and if it makes a mistake you can correct yourself and then go and attack it. Mabye ask AHOG for a grudge match in 2.5 should you chose to compete again, still was fun to see you knock Spyder's Lights out and Take out most of Facicious Goose's weapon ;)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: RedSawn on October 14, 2016, 02:56:59 PM
Based on the recent heat and the performance of my robot (which was edited heavily without my knowledge or consent), I believe that AHOG has no intention of running a "fair and balanced" competition. If that's what you signed up for, prepare to be disappointed.

While it's clear what you built is still far beyond the competition (We're thinking true N00B WARZ here) and would require toning down, if what you say is true that's a total faux pas.

Look Badnik... I'm sure you may feel like you've been rudely kicked out of the competition, but the fact of the matter is that you lost, we all loose a lot of things, I'm sure you've lost your fair share of GTM tournaments, we improve our robots by failing and seeing what went wrong, granted that the Observabot was being unfair pushing you around when it should be unbias, but if you look around at other sports, there is always one mistake or one bias ref/judge that screws the potential of someone or a team that could have surely won it! Maybe if you add a srimech to it next year it could probably be a lot better and when the Observabot tries pushing your robot around and if it makes a mistake you can correct yourself and then go and attack it. Mabye ask AHOG for a grudge match in 2.5 should you chose to compete again, still was fun to see you knock Spyder's Lights out and Take out most of Facicious Goose's weapon ;)

You've missed the point. If his entry was tampered with then all of that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 14, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
but if you look around at other sports, there is always one mistake or one bias ref/judge that screws the potential of someone or a team that could have surely won it!
Give me a good example of when that happened and there wasn't a re-do/public outcry. Also, in this situation, it would be like the ref breaking a competitor's leg. Seems fair to me
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 03:20:57 PM
 the controversial third goal awarded to England in the 1966 World cup, that was contriversal and wasn't reset, and I can understand why Badnik is upset yugitom but I don't understand why he has to slate AHOG in the process when this is clearly just a big misunderstanding that has been over exaggerated, if I'm being perfectly honest it was unfair but the fact is he lost, if AHOG did change it without Badniks acknowledgement that is worng but I think if AHOG thought it was too op after he responded to Badnik and needed to change it, he is perfectly in his rights to do so , it is his series after all and he has 63 other competitors on top of Badnik so there are bound to be a few mistakes with a project this large.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
I'm fairly certain badnik could not give less of a sh** about if he won banter wars or not. Editing someone's robot without their consent then displaying that robot in your tournament in its sh**tified state is incredibly rude and dishonest, not least because it makes badnik look like a worse builder than he is. On top of all that, badnik explicitly asked if his robot was too powerful, and AHOG said that it wasn't and that it did not need editing.


This wasn't a misunderstanding, this was a deliberate attempt by AHOG to sabotage badnik's bot for whatever reason, both by editing his bot (making one disc spin the opposite way, then removing a battery) and using the observer bot to screw over badnik multiple times, neither of which can be considered an accident. It was not a mistake at all, it was very deliberate.
but I think if AHOG thought it was too op after he responded to Badnik and needed to change it, he is perfectly in his rights to do so
No he is not, if he thought the bot was OP he should have rejected it from signups or asked badnik himself to tone it down. Again, badnik explicitly asked AHOG if his bot needed editing to make it less powerful, and AHOG said that it did not.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 14, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Let me make this clear:

The mistake was an oversight on my part, not a deliberate attempt to rig the competition.

I made a point to contact people when editing their robots. If you ask other creators, they will confirm this. However, something obviously went wrong somewhere in one of my production sprees and Badnik wasn't contacted. I apologise for that, but I can't chang that now.

The robot was still functional and actually beat the heat favourite and got through to the heat final. In testing it did extraordinarily well and destroyed most of the competition. Nothing happened that made me suspicious. So when it came to filming the heat, I wasn't surprised when it made it through to the heat final. I was surprised when it died in the final, but by that point I was convinced that the robot was functional.

Badnik made some observations, and due to that I went back over my files and noticed the mistakes.

This is by no means that worst mistake either. Spunkly and Rex Tano had their robots swapped and I didn't realise until late on when Rex Tano sent me his intro wondering why his robot was a Pikachu head. Did he complain about rigging? No. He sees the show as what it is: My hobby, which I've decided to put up for people to see.

So, please, don't take my mistake and try to turn people against this show. I've worked my ass off for nine months creating this and I'd hate for it to die because somebody took it far too seriously.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Mixing up 2 bots is an honest mistake which I don't think most people would mind at all. Sabotaging an entrant is really not a mistake, especially when (according to badnik) you were asked if the robot needed to be toned down and you responded that it did not.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
OK Badger now I think your over exaggerating, I'm sure AHOG didn't intend for Badnik to look bad or deliberately sabotage him, it wasn't like the whole thing was planned, if AHOG were to edit my robot or any others without their consent I know that it would be for the greater good of the series and I wouldn't mind, even if it does make me look bad, Banter Wars is about fun, not winning, and its mainly for YouTubers, besides half the robots go out in the first round anyway, and it doesn't make anyone look bad since everyone gets exposure in their own way whether they be on youtube, GTM, Twitter or Reddit, that was the purpose of the show, not to win! I think some are taking it too seriously
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 14, 2016, 03:40:09 PM
I'm fairly certain badnik could not give less of a sh** about if he won banter wars or not. Editing someone's robot without their consent then displaying that robot in your tournament in its sh**tified state is incredibly rude and dishonest, not least because it makes badnik look like a worse builder than he is. On top of all that, badnik explicitly asked if his robot was too powerful, and AHOG said that it wasn't and that it did not need editing.

This wasn't a misunderstanding, this was a deliberate attempt by AHOG to sabotage badnik's bot for whatever reason, both by editing his bot (making one disc spin the opposite way, then removing a battery) and using the observer bot to screw over badnik multiple times, neither of which can be considered an accident. It was not a mistake at all, it was very deliberate.

No he is not, if he thought the bot was OP he should have rejected it from signups or asked badnik himself to tone it down. Again, badnik explicitly asked AHOG if his bot needed editing to make it less powerful, and AHOG said that it did not.

I did not intend to edit his robot without consent. I made an error somewhere! It was not deliberate.

His robot got to the Heat Final and beat the Heat favourite... That's a pretty good performance to me! Plus, most of my audience have never heard of RA2, mor do they even care if Badnik makes a good robot or not.

Maybe this was my mistake: When I took in robots, I would put it through initial testing and come to a decision from that. Instead of telling THEM to edit the robot, I offered to do it for them with their permission. In hindsight, maybe that wasn't the best idea. I don't know you people, and there were times where I got peoples' names and robots mixed up. Obviously, Boomslang got mixed up with something, somehow, and the ovesight occurred.

If one of you did a project as big as this one in the future, I'll make sure to harrass you for any mistake you make and try to ruin the whole project. How does that sound?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 03:42:49 PM
Sounds Pretty good to me AHOG
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 14, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
This is by no means that worst mistake either. Spunkly and Rex Tano had their robots swapped and I didn't realise until late on when Rex Tano sent me his intro wondering why his robot was a Pikachu head. Did he complain about rigging? No. He sees the show as what it is: My hobby, which I've decided to put up for people to see.
What? I think accidentally editing Badnik's bot is a bit worse than swapping intros of robots. They didn't say it was 'rigged' because you didn't 'rig' it, it was a simple mistake which anyone could have made. However, deleting a battery and making Badnik's weapon spin downwards, not sure if that's a simple mistake which anyone could have made.

In testing it did extraordinarily well and destroyed most of the competition. Nothing happened that made me suspicious.
>the weapon spin downwards when, in the bot lab, it spins upwards
yep, nothing at all suspicious, I bet

If one of you did a project as big as this one in the future, I'll make sure to harrass you for any mistake you make and try to ruin the whole project. How does that sound?
I challenge you to do that, tbh
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on October 14, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Awww precious little Badnik went out let's complain about how Adam sabotaged it XD
And Badger of you think AHOG would deliberately sabotage it than you're bloody stupid.
Badnik has over reacted a bit over a damm mistake and you still have more wins than losses do you think I give a toss if OA3 gets beat or AI'd wrong? No I don't. Of course I get GTM being biased in the argument as Badniks a pretty respectable bloke and I understand his anger but it's honestly just b****ing about a slight mistake.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
True Dat Boto and TBH yugitom, he probably would, and trust me when i say he doesn't take any s**t when people try and ruin something he's worked nearly a year on, thats like me ruining a GTM competition by complaining about every tiny little detail that didn't look correct or was unfair, I'm pretty sure AHOG has plenty of matches that he's had to reset cause of a game glitch or an event that ruined the whole match. Just because the one in the video "looks bias" to you GTM users doesn't mean it will look unfair in someone elses and the Observabot correcting the mistake in my opinion is being fair to the robot in trouble.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
thats like me ruining a GTM competition by complaining about every tiny little detail that didn't look correct or was unfair
Thing is in GTM tournaments we don't have unfair stuff like this.
If one of you did a project as big as this one in the future, I'll make sure to harrass you for any mistake you make and try to ruin the whole project. How does that sound?
There's one about to start actually. Please, PLEASE do this.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 03:57:59 PM
Like I just Stated Badger, He probably would aswell, if he could find it that is
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Mecha on October 14, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
drama is so funni xd
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on October 14, 2016, 04:00:21 PM
Now I agree that Adams arguments are vague to and some more caution could have been took when editing it
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 14, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Just because the one in the video "looks bias" to you GTM users doesn't mean it will look unfair in someone elses and the Observabot correcting the mistake in my opinion is being fair to the robot in trouble.
So, that one point when the Observer bot was ramming Badnik's bot across the wall, it was being fair to it as it was in trouble. Righto, gotcha *cough*

Why address us as GTM users and say that other demographics wouldn't find a problem with it? The only reason we care is because we actually know that isn't how Badnik's bot was meant to function. In fact, now thew issue has been brought up, even someone from outside GTM would complain.

Btw, now that I know that AHOG has recorded the whole thing, I'm not asking for the match to be re-done. However, I would like you to not use the fact that you were overwhelmed by the amount of entrants as an excuse for anything. You've admitted that you have tested Badnik's bot against a vast array of bots, yet you didn't notice Badnik's weapon was spinning in the wrong way? To me, you either didn't actually test his bot, you are a moron, or you actually rigged the competition. Missing the fact that his main (and only) weapon spins the wrong way is not a simple oversight, unless you're the builders of Plan X. In fact, someone else must've had to have had their spinners be edited and a battery be removed for it to even happen to Badnik. So, you've even cocked up whoever's entry that was, as well, as you didn't make the edit you deemed necessary for it to compete. I simply ask that you change your tournament hosting practice, from now on, and let the entrants do every single bit of the editing of their bot, even if it is minor. Staying organised is not hard. You didn't receive entries in one massive lump, you had ample time to put entries you received in folders, write down the names of bots and builders that you need to contact, or whatever you needed to do.

thats like me ruining a GTM competition by complaining about every tiny little detail that didn't look correct or was unfair
Thing is in GTM tournaments we don't have unfair stuff like this.
If one of you did a project as big as this one in the future, I'll make sure to harrass you for any mistake you make and try to ruin the whole project. How does that sound?
There's one about to start actually. Please, PLEASE do this.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. You'll find it difficult to nitpick a GTM tournament because we host them right (well, most of us do :P).

drama is so funni xd
Gotta love it ;)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on October 14, 2016, 04:33:03 PM
I think Jim put it best it's just a bloody game you all take too seriously does BadWolf care that he went out in the first round? Funnily enough he doesn't because he's not a whiny little b*** that likes to get a who'll forum against people.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/74366image.png)
I can guarantee more effort was put into Spyer than Boomslang I mean the thing was made the same year RA2 came out and has gone through many adjustments and redeseigns
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Doodle2411 on October 14, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
I totally agree with AHOG, Boto and Jim on this one, GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!!!!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2016, 04:37:48 PM
Its just a game is a retarded reductionist argument
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on October 14, 2016, 04:48:41 PM
Some people like to spend there time outside RA2 you know not everyone is going to be a professional at it and tournaments like BW are meant for those kinds of people not tryhard no lifers.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 14, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
>Someone writes a massive negative review for a game
>It's just a game, get over it, the devs poured their heart and soul in to it, etc
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
Some people like to spend there time outside RA2 you know not everyone is going to be a professional at it and tournaments like BW are meant for those kinds of people not tryhard no lifers.
(http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: wakkydude on October 14, 2016, 05:00:42 PM
I genuinely cannot believe some of you are trying to argue his way out of such a blatant, tournament-ruining **** up with such awful excuses.

You're right. It is just a game. There are no real stakes, and nobody is entitled to a rematch or re-do. What's done is done.

However, having such awful due diligence and totally screwing over competitors the way you have does reflect badly upon you and your ability to host tournaments, and we are within our rights to call it out, and others are well within their rights to refuse to enter your tournaments in the future if you're going to host them so poorly. I for one was interested in entering this series in the future but this incident, combined with the quite pathetic reaction means I never will, and there are probably many others who, upon seeing this, will have the same reaction. We're within our rights to, at bare minimum, point that out so others don't make the same mistake of joining in the future.

Unless, that is, you're at all willing to take some actual responsibility instead of sh**-talking us in the comments, thinking we won't notice, any time soon?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 14, 2016, 05:06:52 PM
Some people like to spend there time outside RA2 you know not everyone is going to be a professional at it and tournaments like BW are meant for those kinds of people not tryhard no lifers.
(http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png)
+1
I genuinely cannot believe some of you are trying to argue his way out of such a blatant, tournament-ruining **** up with such awful excuses.

You're right. It is just a game. There are no real stakes, and nobody is entitled to a rematch or re-do. What's done is done.

However, having such awful due diligence and totally screwing over competitors the way you have does reflect badly upon you and your ability to host tournaments, and we are within our rights to call it out, and others are well within their rights to refuse to enter your tournaments in the future if you're going to host them so poorly. I for one was interested in entering this series in the future but this incident, combined with the quite pathetic reaction means I never will, and there are probably many others who, upon seeing this, will have the same reaction. We're within our rights to, at bare minimum, point that out so others don't make the same mistake of joining in the future.

Unless, that is, you're at all willing to take some actual responsibility instead of sh**-talking us in the comments, thinking we won't notice any time soon?
+1
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Thyrus on October 14, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
I can see where badnik is coming from.  It wasn't really clear that this would be as heavily edited as it is.  It would be not as bad if it had been stated earlier.
I didn't sign up for it but I feel the salt non the less.

I can see the intention behind it though and i must say apart from some minor stuff the editing is quite good
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 03:59:22 AM
Okay. To set things straight, I'm about to record the Heat F battles that Boomslang was in again. The battles will go up as a side competition. Hopefully, assuming my internet likes me, it should go up later today.

Boomslang will be its purest, unedited version so it will be fighting at full strength, starting with the first round battle against Sypder. I hope this makes up for the errors that were made. I had no intention of these mistakes happening and I'll make sure they don't happen again in the future.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on October 15, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
RIP my man Boomslang who was "deliberately sabotaged" as the morons would say. GTM can pay there respects at the fact that poor little Badniks robot was hurt boo freakin hoo now let's act like snobs
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/10100image.jpeg)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 15, 2016, 10:11:46 AM
You could have just left it on AHOG's note. Guess you gotta get your sick meme in tho XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
I for one was interested in entering this series in the future but this incident, combined with the quite pathetic reaction means I never will...


Pathetic reaction? I can't control what fans of the show say, but my reaction has been as follows: Investigate what went wrong, explain what went wrong, apologise on multiple occasions, and upload a rematch with the corrected robot.

Please, tell me how my reaction was pathetic? What would you do in this situation? Or are you just taking the reactions of fans and putting that on me as the creator?

The fans have a right to criticise the backlash, because it's utterly mad! The overreaction has been crazy. It could have been settled with a PM and an apology from me, but the roboteer in question chose instead to come onto this forum and lie about my intentions. Now all his chums - including yourself - have jumped on the drama bandwagon and built a minor mistake into the 2016 robot holocaust.

Calm down. It was a mistake that I've apologised and made amends for. It was never going to be perfect.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: cephalopod on October 15, 2016, 10:24:21 AM
This whole incident disgusts me.
Overreaction? Are you joking me?
If someone made us take batteries out of Neutron and spin the disc the wrong way there would be an outcry.
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.
It's clear the people saying Badnik is overreacting clearly do not understand GTM tournaments, and are basically brand new. Probably love Redditbots too.

Will be monitoring this thread heavily. This needs to be amended and no more said.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.

There's a fundamental difference or two between Banter Wars and Robot Wars. You're clever enough to figure them out yourself.

Does nobody understand me, or do I have to keep repeating myself? I'll say it again...

It was a mistake! I've apologised! And I've uploaded rematches with the unedited robot!

What more do you want from me?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
Here are the rematches! Hope this will finally settle this mess.

https://youtu.be/ip44hQ3AvHY
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: cephalopod on October 15, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.

There's a fundamental difference or two between Banter Wars and Robot Wars. You're clever enough to figure them out yourself.

Yeah, you wouldn't make a video complaining about banter wars :)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.

There's a fundamental difference or two between Banter Wars and Robot Wars. You're clever enough to figure them out yourself.

Yeah, you wouldn't make a video complaining about banter wars being sh** :)

That would be a pretty stupid move on my part if I were to criticise my own show...

And no, that's not the difference. The main difference is a word that starts with M.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: yugitom on October 15, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.

There's a fundamental difference or two between Banter Wars and Robot Wars. You're clever enough to figure them out yourself.

Yeah, you wouldn't make a video complaining about banter wars being sh** :)

That would be a pretty stupid move on my part if I were to criticise my own show...

And no, that's not the difference. The main difference is a word that starts with M.
Because no money = not serious

Righto, I think everything that was needed to be said has been said and everything that had needed to be done/acted upon by AHOG has been done. I'll be monitoring this thread closely for any further sights of flame war baiting or anything like that and, hopefully, an incident like this does not occur again.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
And RW is an entertainment show before a competition, just as people are claiming this series is.

There's a fundamental difference or two between Banter Wars and Robot Wars. You're clever enough to figure them out yourself.

Yeah, you wouldn't make a video complaining about banter wars being sh** :)

That would be a pretty stupid move on my part if I were to criticise my own show...

And no, that's not the difference. The main difference is a word that starts with M.
MingLee

edit:
To be fair it probably was a big mistake. AHOG obviously didn't know how seriously we take the integrity of our bots here, and short of a complete redo of the heat I think he handled it alright. The observerbot is still a pile of sh** tho :P


And boto, as always, is being a melodramatic whingey tard
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Thanks YuGiTom.

Since this is my series and my thread, I feel that I can address that one thing you said as a last word:

I, AHOG, am the creator, and it is me who decides whether my project is serious. Not you. GTMers were allowed to enter because I thought you might enjoy it. You can't expect to control how serious my project is, though. A guest does not come into a household and demand what colour the walls in the bathroom should be. You're being possessive of the game because you think you have more right to what it produces than anybody else. The level of arrogance I've witnessed here has stunned me, and to tell ME, the person who created this project, how serious it should be taken, is just plain rudeness and displays a deep self-entitlement.

Okay, now I'm done. If anybody has any further issues, could we take it to PMs?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: cephalopod on October 15, 2016, 11:04:06 AM
The handling of the situation is adequate for what the series is, however this won't be considered a GTM personal tournament as it doesn't fully follow regulations. In effect, you came into our house with a game of Cluedo trying to play your own house rules and we play standard.

Just to make clear I have no issues with Banter Wars and its great that many people enjoy it, but please don't be led into thinking any of us do this as more than a hobby. Perhaps it's just a difference in the way GTM is compared to other social boards.

Thank you for your efforts in resolving this ahog, and apologies for my reaction. I'm sure you can understand the situation.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Probably Rob on October 15, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: Badger
AHOG obviously didn't know how seriously we take the integrity of our bots here

It's pretty much this
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 11:10:59 AM
The handling of the situation is adequate for what the series is, however this won't be considered a GTM personal tournament as it doesn't fully follow regulations. In effect, you came into our house with a game of Cluedo trying to play your own house rules and we play standard.

Just to make clear I have no issues with Banter Wars and its great that many people enjoy it, but please don't be led into thinking any of us do this as more than a hobby. Perhaps it's just a difference in the way GTM is compared to other social boards.

Thank you for your efforts in resolving this ahog, and apologies for my reaction. I'm sure you can understand the situation.

Thanks Craaig, apology accepted. I won't pretend that Banter Wars hasn't suffered a decline in reputation over this, but it's taught me a lesson. Things will change as a result of this, for the better.

I just hope that those people who instantly accused the show of being deceptive come around and realise that I had no intention of sabotaging robots or altering robots without peoples' permission. Maybe then I can get more GTMers on the show, and I will know how to handle the robots given to me.

Let's crack on with robot stuff and come together like hippies around an endangered tree.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: wakkydude on October 15, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
Okay. Things have happened, this has evolved, oh boy.

I initially was very unhappy with the reaction because of seemed attempts, *at the time*, of heavily downplaying the situation even after the initial apology. I may have also conflated the official reactions with some of the series' ardent defenders in the other comment sections somewhat along the way, which did peak my frustration. That was a mistake, and I apologise for letting my emotional side take over the rest.

With the recent developments, I feel like this has been addressed significantly better.  Given circumstances, the re-recording is the absolute best thing that can be done, even if it can't affect the outcome due to pre-recording. Thank you for doing your best to ultimately address this.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on October 15, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
Okay. Things have happened, this has evolved, oh boy.

I initially was very unhappy with the reaction because of seemed attempts, *at the time*, of heavily downplaying the situation even after the initial apology. I may have also conflated the official reactions with some of the series' ardent defenders in the other comment sections somewhat along the way, which did peak my frustration. That was a mistake, and I apologise for letting my emotional side take over the rest.

With the recent developments, I feel like this has been addressed significantly better.  Given circumstances, the re-recording is the absolute best thing that can be done, even if it can't affect the outcome due to pre-recording. Thank you for doing your best to ultimately address this.

Apology accepted =) Things will change for the next series to better ensure these things don't happen. I hope I don't disappoint!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Adam Mondo on December 03, 2016, 09:10:57 PM
hi
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Mecha on December 03, 2016, 09:33:14 PM
hi
hello
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on December 10, 2016, 11:35:47 AM
I know this place has died but i've made my robot for series 3
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 28, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
I have too and have qualified with an intro...who else has entered Series 3 with their robots?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on December 28, 2016, 01:21:12 PM
I have too and have qualified with an intro...who else has entered Series 3 with their robots?
I may enter
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 28, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
I have too and have qualified with an intro...who else has entered Series 3 with their robots?
I may enter
You realize if you qualify for Series 3 in time you're going to get seeded due to OA2's performance last Wars?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: botomatic1000 on December 28, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
I have too and have qualified with an intro...who else has entered Series 3 with their robots?
I may enter
You realize if you qualify for Series 3 in time you're going to get seeded due to OA2's performance last Wars?
I'm not too bothered about seedings but it would be alright.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 28, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
I have too and have qualified with an intro...who else has entered Series 3 with their robots?
I may enter
You realize if you qualify for Series 3 in time you're going to get seeded due to OA2's performance last Wars?
I'm not too bothered about seedings but it would be alright.
Alright Boto I'm counting on you to enter soon (Pheasant looks frightening, but all offense and no defense). Anyone else looking forward to entering so that way AHOG and I can keep updated?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: cephalopod on December 28, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
I'm not entering
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: RedSawn on December 29, 2016, 07:16:48 PM
Flying Squirrel would be perfect for this but I'm just not interested in making an intro. Nor really have much to intro.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 29, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
Flying Squirrel would be perfect for this but I'm just not interested in making an intro. Nor really have much to intro.
You could enter Flying Squirrel in 2.5 (similar to Extreme) if you want to. No intro required. You just have to tell AHOG, I bet he'll just easily give you the go-ahead. He's a really nice guy.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Meganerdbomb on December 29, 2016, 07:33:27 PM
Can I enter M.N.B. HOT chick FS special?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 29, 2016, 07:38:27 PM
Can I enter M.N.B. HOT chick FS special?
2.5, 3 or both, MNB?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on January 13, 2017, 03:45:23 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive and defensive capabilities BY A LOT. I might change the aluminum armor sometime so that way it can take more hits to the chassis. GG DeadGenocide.

EDIT: Whoopsies, double post!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 13, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive capabilities BY A LOT. GG DeadGenocide.
you want a SNS pretty much?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on January 13, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive capabilities BY A LOT. GG DeadGenocide.
you want a SNS pretty much?
Not a sit-n-spin, a full-body spinner with a mechanism similar to the Pulverizer. Anyways it's a first attempt, so you would expect it's first battle for it to act like crap.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 13, 2017, 04:07:51 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive capabilities BY A LOT. GG DeadGenocide.
you want a SNS pretty much?
Not a sit-n-spin, a full-body spinner with a mechanism similar to the Pulverizer.
okie dokie sir i shall get building now
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on January 13, 2017, 04:09:07 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive capabilities BY A LOT. GG DeadGenocide.
you want a SNS pretty much?
Not a sit-n-spin, a full-body spinner with a mechanism similar to the Pulverizer.
okie dokie sir i shall get building now
Thanks Jamie, my not-actual brother!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 13, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Detrimental got trashed by Plantation 3, a much more superior machine built by a much more experienced user than me. Jamied and I are currently improving Detrimental so that way the swords instead of being static spin too to increase it's offensive capabilities BY A LOT. GG DeadGenocide.
you want a SNS pretty much?
Not a sit-n-spin, a full-body spinner with a mechanism similar to the Pulverizer.
okie dokie sir i shall get building now
Thanks Jamie!
no problem :)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: kix on January 13, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
Is banter wars metagame still stock?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: FightingBotInformal on January 13, 2017, 08:01:43 PM
Is banter wars metagame still stock?
TGM (or Kix, whatever you want me to call you), Adam is using the RW Mod for 2.5 and by vote using Stock for Series 3.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 03:26:58 AM
Adam is using the RW Mod for 2.5

>using the least balanced mod

i knew there was another reason i didnt want to enter season 3
Adam is using the RW MOD arenas for 2.5 and he's still using stock its just that the arenas are from the RW mod okay :)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: kix on January 14, 2017, 03:53:08 AM
Nah... Not entering then if it stock... i suck at it... where to vote?
Call me TGM
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 04:09:51 AM
Nah... Not entering then if it stock... i suck at it... where to vote?
Call me TGM
Series 4 is DSL if thats okay to you :)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on January 14, 2017, 08:36:14 AM
Adam is using the RW Mod for 2.5

>using the least balanced mod

i knew there was another reason i didnt want to enter season 3

Does nobody do anything for fun anymore? I get on average 200-800 views per Banter Wars episode, and from it I get people asking where to find the game and how to build robots for the first time. I like to think that what I do is helping this community by getting new people interested in the game.

And you don't want to take part in that because apparantly I use "the least balanced mod"?

Loosen up and have some fun with a game, for blimey out loud!  :mrgreen:

Anyway, since 2.5 is an extension of Banter Wars Series 2, your robot will be making an appearance. You'll have a chance for revenge on Facetious Goose. Hope you don't mind!  :smile: If you're still interested in entering Series 3, give me a shout.

Adam
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Dreamcast on January 14, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
What is this banter war anyhow? It it an exhibition? A competitive tournament that adds extra presentation? A modern day AON Bot Wars?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 03:25:49 PM
What is this banter war anyhow? It it an exhibition? A competitive tournament that adds extra presentation? A modern day AON Bot Wars?
*breaths in* Banter Wars is a stock RA2 youtube tournament that has robots fighting each other most GTM'ers enter :)
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Dreamcast on January 14, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
*breaths in* Banter Wars is a stock RA2 youtube tournament that has robots fighting each other most GTM'ers enter :)

I'm reminded of an old series from Alphasim. I used to watch it religiously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdZmEvF51U
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Avalanche on January 14, 2017, 03:35:05 PM
What is this banter war anyhow? It it an exhibition? A competitive tournament that adds extra presentation? A modern day AON Bot Wars?

It's a cross between Robot Wars (uses heats, and is inspired) , AON Bot Wars (youtube RA2 tournament series with neat editing) and a gtm tournament (AI'd and people can enter bots, not just the host).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38adfFBSo_A
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
*breaths in* Banter Wars is a stock RA2 youtube tournament that has robots fighting each other most GTM'ers enter :)

I'm reminded of an old series from Alphasim. I used to watch it religiously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdZmEvF51U
yeah that and heres the rules for series 3 https://youtu.be/2F5Lg5XhJt8
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Baconus_Yum on January 14, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
Just a thing though, how do you enter?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
Just a thing though, how do you enter?
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Dreamcast on January 14, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter

An interesting way to enter.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 04:09:26 PM
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter

An interesting way to enter.

yeah its weird but hey ho
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Baconus_Yum on January 14, 2017, 04:24:22 PM
Just a thing though, how do you enter?
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter
How does ye contact him?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 14, 2017, 04:28:18 PM
Just a thing though, how do you enter?
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter
How does ye contact him?
either his YOUTUBE CHANNEL or his facebook pages one called Banter Wars one called A heap Of games
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Baconus_Yum on January 14, 2017, 05:14:32 PM
Just a thing though, how do you enter?
make a bot put it in bot exporter then send to adam via yt facebook or twitter
How does ye contact him?
either his YOUTUBE CHANNEL or his facebook pages one called Banter Wars one called A heap Of games
or I just realized I could just PM him
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: kill343gs on January 15, 2017, 01:38:16 PM
All warnings being issued are being curbed somewhat because this is in chatterbox and not the main forum.

Badnik- Sort of the start of the drama in this thread, although I personally find your post in regards to the mod being used relatively harmless. I would simply suggest that you voice your opinions a little more eloquently in the future, knowing how easily triggered our userbase is.

Badger- I appreciate you not going off in this thread after someone namedropped you. The only tick against you in this case is that you responded at all, although I totally understand your point of view.

Jamied- I know you haven't been around long, but you simply cannot go around fueling flame wars like this. 20% warn issued, nerfed extensively for a first offense. Normally this would be 40-80%

FBI- Not heavily involved, but vague threats to other GTM users cannot go unpunished. 30% Warning issued. Next time I'll double it regardless of where it takes place.

Avalanche- Plenty of your posts in this thread were totally reasonable. Plenty of them were not. You know exactly how you should be handling yourself, and yet despite everything this community has done to give you chance after chance, things like this keep happening. I didn't make the forum news post a week or so ago for my own personal health. In this thread you have racked up: 80% warning for repeated involvement in a flame war. An additional 20% warning for a recent ban. An additional 10% warning due to a warning within the last 30 days. (I'm being nice and not including 10% for the verbal warning in my news post, as you weren't named by name.) I'll take 20% off the top for where in the forum this took place, leaving you with 110% warning. This earns you a 1 month ban, minimum, and due to your recent conduct I'm proposing a staff review so we can decide if you're actually worth the trouble of keeping around in this community anymore.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: kill343gs on January 15, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
One last thing I forgot to mention, I have absolutely no problem with Banter Wars or any of the people involved, and I suggest to the rest of the community to either express your opinions on what AHOG is doing on his own personal youtube channel either civilly, or not at all.
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: cephalopod on January 23, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
Hi guys,

I've just cleaned out all the toxic posts from here. Have left Kill's posts above as a reminder to those involved.

Now unlocking the thread so the positive discussion (and collaboration between GTM and BW) can develop and grow :)

Thanks for sticking with us!
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on January 23, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
So when is the next series starting and are signups open and is it still stock
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Enigm@ on January 23, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
IT LIVES
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 23, 2017, 02:51:05 PM
So when is the next series starting and are signups open and is it still stock
Series 3 might take awhile, signups are still open and its still stock but series 4 might be DSL

IT LIVES
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Probably Rob on January 23, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
So when is the next series starting and are signups open and is it still stock

You can sign-up for series 3, it's anything under 800kgs

2.5 is however still being edited. They're apparently being uploaded whenever he completes an episode
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Badger on January 23, 2017, 02:54:46 PM
So when is the next series starting and are signups open and is it still stock

You can sign-up for series 3, it's anything under 800kgs

2.5 is however still being edited. They're apparently being uploaded whenever he completes an episode
I'm guessing that there are restrictions as to how good your bot can be, I remember hearing about how your bot must be beatable by a LW or something
Are multibots allowed?
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: Jammy Dodger on January 23, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
So when is the next series starting and are signups open and is it still stock

You can sign-up for series 3, it's anything under 800kgs

2.5 is however still being edited. They're apparently being uploaded whenever he completes an episode
I'm guessing that there are restrictions as to how good your bot can be, I remember hearing about how your bot must be beatable by a LW or something
Are multibots allowed?
yes they are
Title: Re: Banter Wars Series 2!
Post by: AHeapOfGames on January 24, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
If anybody is interested in entering Series 3, please send me a private message. Thanks! =)