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		Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: TriTon on August 28, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
		
			
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				Since my DSL showcase died, I thought I would make stock.
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36397minetrain.jpg)
 
 Bot name: Runaway Mine Train
 Weapon: Popup with 12 razor tips
 Weapon Motor: 3 DDT's
 Drive Motor: 2 Z-Tek HP's
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				Not completely horrible; I would test and see what happens. The troubleshoot and fix what needs to be fixed.
			
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				Build up to the weight limit.
 Use shiny hubs.
 HW popups should use 4wd hp zteks
 What armour?
 Inside pic please
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				Not completely horrible; I would test and see what happens. The troubleshoot and fix what needs to be fixed. 
 
 Sage, it is very powerful. It can destroy almost half of the Starcore bots easily.
 
 Battleshot:
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/98181vsbillygoat.jpg)
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				If you can find a way to shave some weight, 4WD would make this bot awesome.
			
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				Try killing 75% - 100% of starcore bots. then move up to starcore4.
			
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				If you can find a way to shave some weight, 4WD would make this bot awesome. 
 
 4 Drive motors do not help, in fact, they make it worse. I had to cut 75% of the power. Now, the weapon moves like Forkies weapon.
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				Actually, you can have 4WD and still retain your power. It just takes some setup manipulation and component scrapping. Like having a cleaner extender setup for your wedges, for example. :D
			
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				Actually, you can have 4WD and still retain your power. It just takes some setup manipulation and component scrapping. Like having a cleaner extender setup for your wedges, for example. :D 
 
 I have a supervolt in the back area, that is the only place it will fit, and i have 4 pink batts in the front. If i take out the supervolt, it has very little power, and the razors do little to no damage at all.
 
 
 Use shiny hubs.
 What armour?
 
 
 Shiny hubs are to small, the bot won't move if i use them, N-12's are the only ones that work. The armor is Aluminum.
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				Which is why you need to have 2 supervolts. Try to stack the blacks (there's no how, you just do it XD) with a smaller chassis so you can have the weight for both 4WD and sufficient damage. Removing a DDT would help. :D
			
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				 Removing a DDT would help. :D 
 
 2 DDT's do not help. 3 DDT's give it max killing power, 2 of them cut it's killing power almost in half. Also, i would have too much open space with 2.
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				Are those wedges on burst motors? Sure hope so.
			
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				Are those wedges on burst motors? Sure hope so. 
 
 No they are not.
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				Change that please.
			
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				triton, you would do well to listen to us. 
 
 if removing a ddt give it too much empty space, then what do you do? You remove the empty space by rebuilding the bot.
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				Change that please. 
 
 There's not enough space to change that, i would have to remove 2 DDt's to make it like that, and it would cut me down to about 740 kg.
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				Did you not hear what i said? rebuild the damn chassis if stuff doesnt fit.
			
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				Which is why you have to rebuild your chassis to make it better. I know this is annoying, this is the only way for your bot to have 4WD with burst wedges while having adequate power and deadly damage.
			
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				Enough with the RMT annoyance. Here is Biohazard Alert:
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38224alert.jpg)
 
 Before you say, "Build to the weight limit", this bot is supposed to be a LW.
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				Insides please.
			
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				(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62948alert2.jpg)
			
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				Let's see, so you need to lose about 31 kgs.  First of all, use shiny hub wheels instead of mini wheels, that will save you 10 kgs.  Use only one small wedge in the center of the bot--that will save you another 10 kgs.  You can put a T connector on top of the flipper to attach the spikes.  Finally, shortening the chassis will probably get you down to LW class.  If not, use lighter spikes on the flipper, or don't use them at all (they're really not doing much good there.)  Or use spikes instead of a small wedge, and make it a popup.
			
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				Okay. This next bot has cheat parts.
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1792critical.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/27649critical2.jpg)
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				Try not to use em.
			
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				If a bot without cheat parts can beat a bot with cheat parts, ur doing something wrong. And I know i can beat that thing.
			
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				Try not to use em. 
 
 I know, i just made it out of boredom.
 
 If a bot without cheat parts can beat a bot with cheat parts, ur doing something wrong. And I know i can beat that thing. 
 
 I KNOW!
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				https://gametechmods.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81 ;-)
			
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				Here is Runaway Mine Train V2
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/18265runaway.jpg)
 
 Still trying to figure out what to do with extra weight.
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				never use t connectors! or anglers!
			
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				never listen to roboman!
 
 but you can do better with extenders
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				Messy.
			
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				N12 Wheels detected!
 Use Shinies or Grannies.
 Could improve to 4WD too.
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				never listen to lra2! 
 fixed
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				N12 Wheels detected!
 Use Shinies or Grannies.
 Could improve to 4WD too.
 
 
 Shiny Hubs don't even touch the ground.
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				Never listen to myself or LRA2 unless you want to fail tremendously!
 
 Fixed!
 
 
 Thats what I thought...
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				Insides would be nice too, if you dont mind.
			
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				Shiny Hubs don't even touch the ground. 
 
 Yes they dooooooo.
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				stop...commenting...so...LATE
			
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				Here are the insides...
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22087rmtin.jpg)
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				why so many f***ing wedges?!?! Why so much spare weight? what can it beat? if you tell me starcore 3's billygoat or that  emergency with no wedges, Im gonna laugh hard
			
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				why so many f***ing wedges?!?! Why so much spare weight? what can it beat? if you tell me starcore 3's billygoat or that  emergency with no wedges, Im gonna laugh hard 
 
 Instead of complaining, why don't you tell me some ways to make it better....
 
 More battleshots
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/33775rush2.jpg)
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/55764rush.jpg)
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				He sort of did tell you how to fix it though, indirectly. Less wedges, use all your weight, battleshots. Although he could have been a little nicer about it, the help was still there.
			
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				are you n00b steering? or are you trying to steer as dumb as the ai, if you are n00b steering, that is lame
			
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				And again what the angry duck is trying to say is are you steering around RPB or are you going straight on like the AI would... because he (and I) doubt that your wedges are better then RPB's.
			
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				Here is a new MW 
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/34858tool.jpg)
 
 Weapon Motor: 4 Z-tek motors
 Drive motor: 2 Red Birds
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				haha, he says nothing...
 
 can we see insides of that?
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				ur using redbirds...
 sys32 or inf plz dont say im a noob and redbirds are good for something.
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				They are
 
 youre a noob
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				so, what are they good for
			
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				drive and weapon motors?
			
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				why not use a bursted rad?
			
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				....Why would you? It's not like it's the best thing to do in most cases.
			
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				neither is redbirds
			
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				Again, depends. Look at Le\/el for instance.
			
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				Redbirds are better than HP's... are you srs.. u don't know that?
			
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				ur using redbirds...
 sys32 or inf plz dont say im a noob and redbirds are good for something.
 
 They are
 
 youre a noob
 
 Asking for it ?
 
 Anyways - i've always been told that redbirds fail. I just must check the txt's...
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				Heres a new HS
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/56020littletcup.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/2759littletcup2.jpg)
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				Don't use pink batteries on a HW. You could probobly fit another black battery if you move the other one.
			
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				Or rebuild the chassis a bit tighter and stack it. But not a bad bot at all.
			
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				VS? Thats a HS.
 
 No pinks on HWs please.
 
 Needs better managment on front, try to get as many weapon motors on one servo as you can, because 1 motor/servo= wasted weight.
 
 Could shink the chassis and use the gained weight to add snowplows or ramplates in front.
 
 You could also re-arrange the weapon extenders.
 You currently have them like this:
 OO
 
 Make them like this:
 O
 O
 
 That means rotate the fist extender you attach on the tribar 90 decrees.
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				Thats actually a really cool bot. It has really good potential. It would be very good if you used just one blue snapper for the Weapon motors and found a way to get 1/2 good wedges on there.
			
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				You might as well use maces and only 3 20cm's by tribar because yeah, a wedge is fine too.
			
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				you could also put the drive motos on a snapper or two. that way, you wont have to have all that chassis space for them
			
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				(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/77781littlet2.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/842littlet.jpg)
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				you beat those bots with an HS no way:eek:!!1!11!!1!1
			
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				you beat those bots with an HS no way:eek:!!1!11!!1!1 
 
 either your in complete shock or i dont see your sarcasm....
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				He's being sarcastic. Try SSG's advice on the irons and it'll perform better. And fight against anti-HSes (rammers, pokers, armored popups, and uber-HS) for a tougher challenge. :D
			
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				NWB isn't much of a challenge with a strong HS anyway.
			
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				He's being sarcastic. Try SSG's advice on the irons and it'll perform better. And fight against anti-HSes (rammers, pokers, armored popups, and uber-HS) for a tougher challenge. :D 
 
 Changed the irons, still fights the same.
 
 Anyway, i've done a few days of testing and my bot can beat about 95% of the AI. So, almost every single AI bot.
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				This time, AI it and see if it can beat those same bots. You can learn to AI and think of how to improve it at the same time! XD
			
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				Here is an updated Little T cup
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/67334littletcup3.jpg)
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				Wedges don't look very good angled like that...
			
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				you should use the normal wedges, they work just as well(i think) but are less weight.
 with that weight u can do many things... like protect the extendors with razor blade things.
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				Wedges don't look very good angled like that... 
 
 The wedges work much better than straight. If they are straight, there just serve as a ram, when there angled they perform much better.
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				you should use the normal wedges, they work just as well(i think) but are less weight.
 
 
 
 no, emergency wedges are superior, when used well
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				Don't listen to anyone above this post. Small wedges are magic and own emergency wedges.
			
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				My King of Karnage entry
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/14761hero.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/81166hero2.jpg)
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				Don't listen to anyone above this post. Small wedges are magic and own emergency wedges. i said they are better...
 
 you should double up on irons at each piston.
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				Did you attach the drive and wheels first so that it drives straight?
			
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				Did you attach the drive and wheels first so that it drives straight? 
 
 Yes.
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				New bot i built in 5 mins, its supposed to be a LW
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/54428madcow.jpg)
 
 Drive Motor: 2 RAM's
 Weapon Motor: 2 Z-Teks
 Power: 1 Supervolt
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				Build to the weight limit! Other than that it's good.
			
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				Build to the weight limit! Other than that it's good. 
 
 New bot i built in 5 mins, its supposed to be a LW 
 
 Read it again.
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				Read it again. 
 
 whoops... :-s
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				Well than make it a LW. No one cares if you have a bot that's supposed to be a LW.
			
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				Replace the 2 Zreks for 1 Ztek HP, and use double the razors on that tribar.
			
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				Updated
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/908madcow2.jpg)
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				You can get by with just one Nifty, and what's that extra razor for?
			
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				You can get by with just one Nifty, and what's that extra razor for? 
 
 IDK, im gonna take that out.
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				if you put a nifty in, take out the extra razor, and slim the chassis, you might be able to upgrade to irons.
 also u might need to have only 1 extender at each end of the tribar
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				Just put the Z-Tek in the chassis, and stack a Control Board into a Nifty. You can have 9 Irons / Maces that way.
			
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				Here is a new somewhat decent HS
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/20214architectural.jpg)
 
 Drive Motor: 4 Z-Teks
 Weapon Motor: 3 Z-Teks
 Power: 1 Supervolt
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				Always show the insides. They help us a lot when commenting on your bots. :D
 
 Anyway, it's underpowered, as 1 black can only power 4 HPZs for the full 3 minutes. You'll need another black to make it perform better. Also, the middle HPZ and the snappers are very exposed. It's best to have them inside the chassis instead. Or, if you want a more powerful version, use the Snapper II (from the Combo AI & SZ in the Downloads section). It's very useful due to its lightness and its additional attachment point. :D
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				Always show the insides. They help us a lot when commenting on your bots. :D
 
 Anyway, it's underpowered, as 1 black can only power 4 HPZs for the full 3 minutes. You'll need another black to make it perform better. Also, the middle HPZ and the snappers are very exposed. It's best to have them inside the chassis instead. Or, if you want a more powerful version, use the Snapper II (from the Combo AI & SZ in the Downloads section). It's very useful due to its lightness and its additional attachment point. :D
 
 
 1. There is 0 room left inside the bot, only thing there is is a small open part, but not even a pink batt can fit
 2. Snapper II's don't attach to an extender, only the inside of the chassis
 3. If i put the middle Z-tek inside the bot, there would be no room for a black batt or a nifty
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/89561architectural2.jpg)
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				There's actually alot of space in that. Airtight means, no space available. There's space between your Z-Tek drive. Nothing can fit in it, but there's empty space and weight that could be used for another purpose.
			
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				That's because Snapper IIs aren't meant to be placed outside the chassis. Put them inside, attach extenders to it, and eFFe your motors in. Then you can place your wedge snappers inside. :D
			
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				eFFe your motors in. 
 
 How?
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				Oops. I meant snapper load. Sorry. XD
			
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				New bot
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63040wormhole.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/52271wormhole2.jpg)
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				Not bad! Might want to tweak the drive a bit however.
			
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				ok for the drive motor extenders, get rid of them. move the baseplate anchors as close as you can to the edges of the bot, that should allow u to atach the motors
 use the small wedges also for(i think) that they are better
 
 you can probably use shiny wheels, but that will make it slightly slower.
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				ok for the drive motor extenders, get rid of them. move the baseplate anchors as close as you can to the edges of the bot, that should allow u to atach the motors
 use the small wedges also for(i think) that they are better
 
 you can probably use shiny wheels, but that will make it slightly slower.
 
 
 If the motors are on the inside, there will be no room for the batts. Shiny hubs wont even make the bot move.
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				Rotate the motors 90 degrees.
			
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				Put the drive in the chassis, stack the batts, raise the top spinner, widen the two side spinners, use rubbers, and small wedges.
			
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				1. the base-plate extenders will be right against the edge, so the motors will be able to connect to them outside of the bot.
 2. if u lower the base-plate extenders, it will be able to have shines.
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				New VS
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/80726quarantine.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/4649quarantine2.jpg)
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				Interesting.
			
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				Lighten that extender work please.
			
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				Inspired by Hell's Sawmill I see...
 
 The chassis doesn't need to be that wide.  You can put the battery on the other side of the Snapper and bring in the sides a bit more.  Also, I'm sure you can use smaller wheels.  With the extra weight gained I would put some armor over the front.
 
 Nice skin too.
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				wait how is the chassis like that?
			
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				wait how is the chassis like that? 
 
 When making a wedge bot, move the points away from the bot instead of torwards.
 
 This is an unfinished bot
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50437enter.jpg)
 
 Any ideas, suggestions?
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				Since it's a heavyweight, use DDTs instead of snapper2s since they pack a bigger punch. And try to curve the hammers so the extenders will be more protected.
			
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				This is one of my older bots
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/46246snow.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/78179snow2.jpg)
 
 I've got over 200 kg of weight left, any ideas.
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				why do u have the serveos there? you can just axle load the tribars on.
			
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				Servo boosing maybe?
 
 You could try axleload the servos so that you could attach more weapon motor on both of them, try to get 3 on each and upgrade drive to HPZ.
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				Upgrade to HPzteks.
 Irons Moar.
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				Finally, after a month of editing, here is RMT 2!
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/94880runaway2.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/13161runaway3.jpg)
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				How many razors?
			
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				How many razors? 
 
 16, 4 on each DDT.
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				for the razors, dont use t connectors. use extenders.
			
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				How bout some battleshots?
			
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				How bout some battleshots? 
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/34743orbital.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62590orbital2.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/91716orbital3.jpg)
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				First bot with BBEANS AI, Midnight Sun
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/9449midnight.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5770midnight2.jpg)
 
 I put in a pink for the lulz
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				Not bad, but could be better. Shrink the chassis further so you can get rid of the pink and add more razors/protection.
			
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				get rid of the pink and get longer wedges.
			
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				No custom parts.
			
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				Unless I'm mistaken, you shouldn't use the BBEANS batteries unless you earned them as they won't be allowed in any tournaments.
			
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				u can just stack blacks if u really need to.
			
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				The point of the BBEANS blacks is that it doesn't give you any advantages, it just saves you an hour and a half of trying to stack them in real life. Therefor I really don't see why they should be illegal.
			
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				The point of the BBEANS blacks is that it doesn't give you any advantages, it just saves you an hour and a half of trying to stack them in real life. Therefor I really don't see why they should be illegal. 
 
 If it takes you two hours to stack a batterie you best stick with DSL.
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				Using the BBEANS batts is cheating. When building a bot and trying for absolutely no empty space, it's insanely hard to stack a black with no space. So we are all forced to leave a little space. With the BBEANS batt, you can make it as ABSOLUTELY small as possible, which can save you up to .3 kg, maybe more. Not that huge, unless you need to build a chassis thats under 20 kgs >:O
 
 Plus it takes no skill and I will look down with disgust at anyone who uses them except for a BBEANS tournament.
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				Updated
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62554midnight4.jpg)
 
 I removed the pink, stacked the blacks myself, has longer wedges, and moved the middle plate.
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				try to slim the chassis down especially near the drive motors, u have loads of room there.
			
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				try to slim the chassis down especially near the drive motors, u have loads of room there. Ok, though it pisses me off that i have to rebuild the bot to remove that, but, if i wanted to use that space, i'd have to make it an SHW.
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				Oh the wonders of the chassis rebuild.
			
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				It'll get worse. You'll eventually spend at least an hour and a half working on just the chassis. Putting the components in is the easy part.
			
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				well it depends... for oo5. OOta and my new vs, crylic. all had small rectangle chassis that only took 10 min to snug around the batts and the snapper.
 
 try to visualize the components before u start to work on the robot. build a chassis, put some of them down to get a feel for if u need to reshape and reshape.
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				Heh, it probably took Sage less than a minute to make N00bot's chassis. And look at what it can do. :O
 
 Anyway Triton, you don't need to make it a SHW. Just fiddle around with the extra weight and you'll most likely find the right way to use the weight. :D
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				It'll get worse. You'll eventually spend at least an hour and a half working on just the chassis. Putting the components in is the easy part. 
 
 
 What??? Since when?
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				It takes me that long when I'm making a chassis as compact as possible.
			
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				Midnight Sun has gone through many changes, but now he's done, here is Midnight Sun 3!
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/98538midnight5.jpg)
 
 Nothing has really changed on the inside so no inner pic.
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				It takes me that long when I'm making a chassis as compact as possible. 
 
 5 rebuilds max.
 
 10 if I'm intent.
 
 1st) Basic shape.
 2nd) Shrinking a little.
 3rd) All the way to as little as possible.
 
 And the rest are for weight gains, stuff like that.
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				Reminds me of R4...
 
 You could use the remaining weight to lengthen the wedge extenders.
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				Lul everybody is against me.
			
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				Actually It takes me several hours to get my chassis just right, which is why I build so little nowadays. Chassis work is not fun at all.
			
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				Am I the only person not to use snap to grid, nowadays I don't use snap to grid that much, only if I'm too lazy.
			
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				Actually It takes me several hours to get my chassis just right, which is why I build so little nowadays. Chassis work is not fun at all. 
 
 Several hours? It takes me about a minute for what i want.
 
 Anyway, there insn't gonna be any bots fora a few days, my BBEANS AI and Starcore just crashed, but all my bots are saved.
 
 BTW, is this normal?
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60742glitch.jpg)
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				yea, just happens if you had f12 pressed when you went out of the bot lab. press f12 again to turn it off.
			
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				that happens w/ me but the bots are much smaller.
 they are about the size of the bigger rectangle in the new bot image thing.
 
 also try firing ur weps when that happens.
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				Stock is back working once again, here is a new Little T Cup
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66853littlet3.jpg)
 Insides are still the same as before
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				Wow... no comments? :frown:
 
 Here's a new HS
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/7005rose.jpg)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/81871rose2.jpg)
 
 STACKED PINKS FTW!!! lol, yes im going to take those out.
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				Hmm. Doesn't look too shabby if the wedges are good. But, I know they aren't.
			
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				Hmm. Doesn't look too shabby if the wedges are good. But, I know they aren't. 
 
 There pretty good, sometimes i can get under R4, but that's rare. :P
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				For the revision, just use a single black (assuming that it doesn't need to self-right) and use 1 or 2 blue snappers for the weapons+drive. With the extra weight, either use DDT wedges, or snapper2 wedges + more weapons. :D
			
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				Just another popup i've been working on.
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/89817pultar.jpg)
 
 3 blacks
 DSA
 
 EDIT: Why must you complain about the insides?
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/2966pultar2.jpg)
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				Insides please.
			
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				How many razors?
			
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				10.
			
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				stack 2 of the batteries, then quit over using snappers, use an base plate anchor or 2 for the drive
			
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				the front armour can be done a lot lighter
 
 remove all except the 2 end anchors
 
 attach another 20cm extender off the side of the one holding the first ram plate,
 
 use the side attachment point of that extender to attach another
 
 and so on so on should save you about 10 - 15 kg
 
 if you need help understanding that ^ look at Seism 13
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				EDIT: Why must you complain about the insides?[/IMG] 
 
 Because showing the insides can help us give you more significant input.
 
 Anyway, work on your extenders. Learn how to snapper load and you can attach your drive to 2 20cms instead of 2 60cms. For the ramplates, just use the 45-degree anchors. Make the rear part of the chassis thinner, then use the extra weight for longer wedges.
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				More random popups
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/8108smash.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38942smash2.png)
 
 4 razors
 1 black
 DSA
 
 I saw Sage's restocked version of EMERGENCY which had angled wedges, so i'm gonna start trying out angled wedges.
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				you get pwned by long single wedges
			
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				The 3rd bot in the Little T Cup series
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/15559littletcup4.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/21899littletcup5.png)
 
 2 blacks
 18 irons
 DSA
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				I dont know what you see in that chassis besides the arrow shape. Makes it look like a sloppy bot. Skinny bots always look sloppy. 
 
 Use S2 wedges instead of SII wedges.
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				I'm not sure how S.M.A.S.H. does in combat, but it does look cool. All it needs is a killer paintjob.
			
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				to skinny, with out side protection, if a better HS gets around you, it will tear the guts out of your sides!
			
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				Looks too long for my tastes. Do what Sage said.
			
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				Don't make a random chassis.
			
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				Don't make a random chassis. 
 
 *ahemN00botahem*
 
 Instead of using 2 Snapper IIs, use one instead and mount your plow in there, too. But yeah, be more conservative in chassis points so you could have more free weight. And free weight usually means more weapons, or more protection, or better wedges.
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				*ahemN00botahem*
 
 
 
 
 
 :D I can't tell you how much I love this post.
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				First chained VS
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/10973maX.png)
 
 This is Maximum Exposure(yeah, i'm ripping off the shows name).
 
 It's not finished yet, i still need to fill up the remaining weight, give it a skin, and do testing.
 
 Also not much to see on the inside, just the batts, the Snapper II, and the DDT's holding the HPZ's.
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				exposed extenders = nono
			
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				New popup
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/67696cloak.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50283cloak2.png)
 
 10 razors
 3 blacks
 DSA
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				Quite nice, though the single spike strip doesn't do much. Try removing that whole system and convert the shinies to rubbers and add some more casters if you have some weight left. Also, rotate the wedge snappers inwards and simply attach the wedges outward. Same length for less weight. :D
			
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				The more castors the better. You can stack casters in between the ones you already have. Get trid of that useless spike strip and the snapper holding it. That's like, 44 wasted kgs. Rubbers are good on popups.
 
 Also, the chassis doesn't look very custom. Lots of empty space.
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				Maximum Exposure
 
 
 I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but that name fits the bot like a glove, looking at those exposed Snappers and extenders.  While you're using up extra weight, definitely put some armor in the front there, maybe a few ramming spikes.
 
 On the popup, you should put baseplate anchors where that spike strip Snapper is now and use those to attach the R4 "ears" (I'm assuming that's what you're trying to do).  Also, you could switch the position of the DDT's and Snappers in order to get the weapons further forward (that's a good thing on a caster popup).
 
 Both bots look overall pretty good though.
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				On the popup, you should put baseplate anchors where that spike strip Snapper is now and use those to attach the R4 "ears" (I'm assuming that's what you're trying to do).
 
 
 Personally, I think "antennae" is a more accurate term.
 
 For the bot, rotate the snappers 180 degrees and clean up the extender work on the wedges. Also, remove the inner casters, as they don't seem to be doing much. Good job with the axle loading on the wheels though.
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				HW Mad Cow
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/26180furycow.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/45160furycow2.png)
 
 31 irons(18 for spinners, the rest for ramming)
 2 blacks
 DSA
 
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				Why in the world would you block the ramming weapons? It makes them effectively useless!
			
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				Why do you need two blacks for 4 Hpz? Also, you are using pole spikes? 
			
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				 you are using pole spikes? 
 
 
 For ramming.
 
 Also, Sage, the plow is usually ripped off after the first few seconds, so that's the first line of defense, the other which is the spikes, which are also used for ramming.
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				Why did you position your drive like that?
			
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				Yes, but you still don't get the power of the first ram. That can be very damaging and very useful. Use weapons for attack?
			
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				Agreed with VB. Rammers and its hybrids should be invertible. :P
 
 Anyway, I also agree with the plow topic. Maybe you could use the plow to protect the drive and such instead of the weapon rack. :D
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				MW of the Cow series
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/83858encow.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/14681encow2.png)
 
 9 maces
 1 black
 DSA
 
 I've got 25 kg left, any ideas?
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				9 maces cuts it on a lightweight. Lower that snowplow and use shiny hubs for invertibility.
			
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				Shrink the chassis, and attach the snapper first then the weapon HPZ. Axle load it out and attach the rest.
			
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				Been a while since i posted a popup. Also, first attempt at a splash
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/76601midnite.png)
 
 Everything in the splash.
 
 Midnight Sun 3.3 is just you're everyday popup. However, they are some things that you need to know.
 
 Why i added the bracket wedges you might be thinking. As you know a popup with a fast drive, such as R4, can go up you're wedge and fly right over you're, giving less than half a second to time and fire, and on occasion, you'll miss. With the bracket wedges, i have more time to react and fire. With this, the razors will be dead center, right underneath the chassis.
 
 Also, due to about 250 kg being on the front, the wedges are unstoppable. NWB? No problem, slides right under everytime. The main problem is that it's not very fast. Rubbers are actually worse, with those, the ram plates are the wedge. So i'm using shinys for now.
 
 EDIT: Woops, I forgot the weight, it's 796.1
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				Not bad. Underpowered. What's the weight? It wasn't in the *cough* splash.
			
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				How is it underpowered? There are 2 blacks.
 
 Weight's up there now.
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				Yes, there are 2 blacks. That covers 1600 power output. With 4 HPZs and 2 DDTs, you have an intake of -2600. To get the full power of the DDTs, I think you need 4 blacks. Although I know that spin motors don't require full power, so I'm not quite sure about this. I couldn't find Click's thread on power intake, so can someone back me up on this?
			
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				Yes, there are 2 blacks. That covers 1600 power output. With 4 HPZs and 2 DDTs, you have an intake of -2600. To get the full power of the DDTs, I think you need 4 blacks. Although I know that spin motors don't require full power, so I'm not quite sure about this. I couldn't find Click's thread on power intake, so can someone back me up on this?
 
 
 For a typical HW popup with 4 HP Z-tek drive and 4 DDT's, you need 100 (x4) + 312.5 (x4) = 1650 total BEMIOR, which is about 2 Supervolts.  
 It might actually be overpowered!!!
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				I don't find anything wrong with overpowering a popup, or any bot that uses a burst as its main weapon. For HW popups or hammers, It would be better to stop at 4 blacks. Overpowering them allows them to fire at full power longer.
 
 The bot looks nice. The reason rubbers are worse on this bot is because the outer ramplates appear to go lower than the chassis itself.
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				I personally think that you would be fine with 2 blacks.  I have a HW popup with the same motor and battery setup as yours and less weapons whose attacks are not even concentrated into one spot as some others, and it is still able to 1-hit KO Absolute Chaos from time to time.  
 
 For bots with burst motors that have longer weapons/more weight on the burst motors, like most hammers and Sage's Pulse, yes it would be better to add more battery power.
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				Fine.
			
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				Remade Enraged Cow
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/32114enragecow.png)
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36366enragecow2.png)
 
 4 HPZ's
 1 black
 DSA
 
 Yes, inspired off of GK's Rigadoon Revamped.
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				the chasis is oversized as balls
			
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				What? No it's not. It's not air tight, but it's still plenty small. Unless I'm looking at the wrong picture..
			
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				I would be good for stacked bats or something
			
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				I would be good for stacked bats or something
 
 
 And what could he do with the tiny amount of KG he would gain from micromanaging the chassis? It's better this way because it makes the chassis stronger by being larger.
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 Yes, inspired off of GK's Rigadoon Revamped.
 
 
 I inspired someone!
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				He could even make that chassis larger and stronger since he's 3.5 kg underweight.
			
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				wait, chassis size has t odo with armor?!
			
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				:O You didn't know that?
			
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				Random stacking...
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/12562stacked.png)
 There are 3 snappers, 3 pinks, 2 nifties and blacks, 3 control boards, 4 ballasts and 9 Anchors!!!!
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				Pinks are easy. Snappers, blacks and control boards are moderately difficult. But good job on the anchors. I haven't tried nifties before, though. :P
			
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				The anchors were actually the hardest. It took me almost 12 hours to stack all 9 of the anchors.
			
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				Took me a minute to stack 5. Never went beyond that. XD
			
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				The anchors were actually the hardest. It took me almost 12 hours to stack all 9 of the anchors.
 
 Solid? :P
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				What do you mean Reier?
 
 I've encountered a problem.
 
 I'm trying to turn Furious Cow into a 36-mace HS, but right as i get to the weapon motors, the rule of 7 gets in the way. I can attach the tribars, but after that, nothing else. I've tried eFFeing, axle loading, and snapper loading. Nothing works. Any tips?
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				What do you mean Reier?
 
 He means did it take 12 hours in a row to stack them.
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				I'm trying to turn Furious Cow into a 36-mace HS, but right as i get to the weapon motors, the rule of 7 gets in the way. I can attach the tribars, but after that, nothing else. I've tried eFFeing, axle loading, and snapper loading. Nothing works. Any tips?
 
 
 
 blue snapper, 1 black extender, effe 2 HP z-tek's then add the tribars and thats only 4 connections
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				Tried that, still didn't work.
			
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				Show us please.
			
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				Finally finished Furious Cow 2
 
 (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/65057furiouscow.png)
 
 Didn't take an inside shot. So here's everything
 
 2 blue snappers
 6 HPZ's
 2 blacks
 DSA
 
 However, it's not quite finished, i'm planning on putting some casters underneath. Unfortunately...no control board(yet)
 
 I can't fit the control board. Every possible place to put it has failed. Even stacking it into the blacks doesn't work.
 
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				If you can't stack them into the double blacks, enlarge that chassis dimension by a pixel or two. Works for me.
 
 I would still prefer using a plow instead of casters since the bot will tend to slide around and will have a hard time gaining grip. My HS doesn't have a problem with that since its drive is very well-protected. Your drive is spread out so a gut-ripper can take it away. But it still looks nice. :D