Author Topic: Sircreepalot2's Very Average Showcase (Read 11139 times)

Sircreepalot2 · « **on:** June 24, 2015, 05:48:47 PM »

So I've been lurking around these forums for over a year now and I finally decided to start a showcase.
Using my knowledge gathered from said lurking, I tried my hand at building a decent bot. worked out pretty well, and it can take out almost any stock bot with only one or two hits. Plus It's Reversible!
6 HP Z-Teks 1 black, and one nifty.

Here are the guts

R1885 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2015, 08:21:38 PM »

Rearward weapons are useless, put them in the front, or don't bother.
You only need two blacks, tops. Stack them together to save weight. Nifty batteries have no place in a heavy.
Change the razors to either iron spikes or maces, razors don't last on rammers.

Somebody · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2015, 08:29:55 PM »

Well for a robot that you're controlling, rearward weapons aren't bad. But with the general building style being directed towards the AIed tournaments, having all weapons on one side would increase strength. And I agree about the weapon types. Having all of one weapon can let them all hit simultaneously, which is better. Plus, iron spikes and/or maces are stronger. But iron spikes are far easier to use.

090901 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2015, 08:30:30 PM »

Quote from: R1885 on June 24, 2015, 08:21:38 PM

You only need two blacks, tops. Stack them together to save weight. Nifty batteries have no place in a heavy.

I'm 99% sure that one nifty and one black saves more weight than 2 black stacked together (hell if you are going to go stack the blacks you might as well just try stacking the nifty in the black). Nifties are totally fine if you are using them right.

Badnik96 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2015, 08:36:05 PM »

Take out the snapper and put the control board there. With the extra space you should be able to put the second weapon rack under the first. Then you can put the back rack on top of those two and you have your generic stock HW rammer. Not to say generic is a bad thing when you start out. It takes a while to generate your own style.

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2015, 08:43:21 PM »

First off, thanks for your advice, second, I've never learned how to stack batteries

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2015, 09:09:04 PM »

I did what you said but it seemed to make it worse. Maybe the stock AI bots are just really bad.

Badnik96 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2015, 09:11:01 PM »

It probably seems worse because irons do less damage than razors do, but it's balanced out because razors have less HP.

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2015, 09:38:23 PM »

Forgot to post this garbage pop up. If you can even grace it with the name.

rnifnuf · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2015, 11:21:02 PM »

Beyond the drive (2WD High-Power Z-Teks) and armor if the bot has DSA, there are many things to fix

There is too much battery power in this bot. More battery than necessary does not seem like an issue, but it is, because the extra batteries waste weight. One black battery is sufficient for this bot: despite their descriptions, all spin motors (Right Angles, Redbirds, Both kinds of Z-Teks) draw 10 amps (100 ElecMaxInOutRate, a unit of current RA2 uses equal to one-tenth of an amp) each; DDT motors draw 50 amps (500 ElecMaxInOutRate) each; Each black battery outputs at 80 amps (800 EMIOR); With the two HP Z-Teks and one functional DDT burst (the one with the wedge does NOT need to be powered), the bot will draw a total of 70 Amps, which an 80-Amp battery can easily power. To fix this, simply remove the second black battery. It seems as though this is the main problem as it is causing the bot to be too tall.

This bot is too tall, and thus, its chassis slope is too steep. Without the second black, however, the bot will not need to be so tall. A shorter and less steep chassis will make it easier for the bot to self-right as well as making it easier for bots to scale the wedge (trust me when I say this is good for a popup).

The weapon setup is not very good. Although the use of a DDT and razor tips is good, the way they are arranged is not. First problem: unnecessary weight in the form of the T-Connector setup. This leaves the weak extenders exposed. A better setup is to use a series of 20cm extenders with the extender on the DDT sideways and parallel to the axis of rotation. All of the other extenders are stacked end-to-end along the first extender, but with the weapons facing away from the DDT. With weapon placement, make sure that the razor blades are all facing the same direction (blades aligned, with one set of blades parallel to each other). This can only be done using the eFFe glitch. Essentially, the eFFe glitch involves positioning a component without actually clicking to place it, firing the burst motor, then placing the component afterwards; if this doesn't make sense, here is a link to a collection of video tutorials made by Sage, a GTM Veteran and a very talented builder.

Keep lurking in the showcases. Some good showcases are those of 090901, Reier, G.K., and KOS

R1885 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2015, 12:28:53 AM »

Pop-ups live and die by their wedges, the more level they are with the ground, the better. The best wedges come from the Snapper2(The green one, not the blue one). Also, put the wedge snapper as far forward in your bot as possible, so the weight of the snapper can assist the wedge.

Pop-ups are also one of the few bots that can utilize Rubbers. While slightly heavier than shinys, their smaller diameter makes the wedges more level with the ground.

Lower is better, the highest you'll ever need is six ticks max(The height of a snapper2 mounted vertically). Anything more is ham stringing yourself.

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »

@rnifnuf your description of the weapon setup didn't make muck sense to me, but i did watch Sage's tutorials
@R1885 i tried no make the wedge better and i think i succeded thanks to your help

The new design

The weapons

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2015, 08:33:08 PM »

Made my first lightwieght after many, MANY days. All the pink batts are stacked, DSA
To bad it sucks :P

I should start naming these things...

rnifnuf · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2015, 08:50:27 PM »

MW: Much better! However, if it is a regular popup (weapons forward) then I would advise that it become a true popup simply by changing the angle at which the DDT burst fires, making it more like a traditional flipper. This is because the razors do more damage if only one edge strikes the opponent vs if two do.

LW: Please tell us more about that lightweight, besides DSA and stacked pinks. Are the flippers supposed to be functional? or are they just wedges?

RedAce · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2015, 08:51:26 PM »

You say it sucks. A good reason for that may be the fact your using pink batteries. Try something like a Supervolt. You will have way more power to last and you could even try attaching DDT's with the extra weight. You might need to make a new chassis for this though. Not too bad looking though. Stock flippers are pretty rare from what I've seen.

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2015, 09:51:26 PM »

The black batt saved enough weight to switch the drive to redbirds
The wedges do act as flippers, and they can flip emergency :D
MUCH faster, and now the flippers can actually flip things.

090901 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2015, 09:58:05 PM »

MW: Take out the ballasts in and widen the chassis in the front, wide popups rekt stuff

LW: You should be able to get Z-teks in that bot for sure with a different chassis.

Naryar · « **Reply #17 on:** June 26, 2015, 01:56:57 AM »

ballast/10

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:30:14 AM »

Surprise surprise its a crappy bot :/
A pretty basic MW spinner, pretty decent against the stock bots. DSA, 1 Nifty, 2 RA for drive, and 1 HP Z-Tek for weapons

madman3 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2015, 01:43:01 AM »

I'd recommend looking at some generic stock mw spinners, probably from the Starcore AI packs for this kind of thing. Main things are that you definitely do not want a circular chassis since it'll have a lot of wasted space. You'll also want a tribar based weapon setup, with EFFe'd weapons using the round connecters (https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=EFFe_Glitch). Otherwise w'll have to see what else you do with it before pressing you too much further, but try and get a feel for the commonly accepted styles of HS for this sort of thing.