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Title: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on February 23, 2016, 03:19:20 PM
Right, BEFORE WE START;

This is my first time playing stock RA2. The first time I got this game (a year ago, roughly) I went straight onto DSL because I had heard it was just better than the original. Only recently have I decided to try out the Stock game just to see what kinds of robots you can create. I also favor creativity and uniqueness over something that works.

With this in mind, the robots I upload here are probably going to look like they are in need of medical attention (this does not mean a thrashing from EMERGENCY) so I do apologize for not being good at building stuff. After all, I'm still essentially a noob to RA2.


With that out of the way, here's my first robot; the texture is half-arsed and took 5 minutes, the weapon is largely ineffective and despite having steel armor, it still gets ripped apart in seconds. And I love it.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/27245Robot Arena 2 - Protogen Picture 1.jpg) (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/20367Robot Arena 2 - Protogen Picture 3.jpg) (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60881Robot Arena 2 - Protogen Picture 2.jpg)

It's name is Protogen, if you couldn't tell. It started its life after I asked myself "What's the closest I can get to making Barberous?" without asking "Is it going to even work?"
I've built lots of robots like this; low chassis, largest wheels the game allows. These kind of robots were all joke robots though; this was the first robot that I made that actually had any means of attack.
It used to look a lot better, but I kept on switching, adding and deleting components after realizing it wasn't winning anything. I tried to make a vertical flywheel weapon but a) it did nothing to harm the other robot and b) I couldn't try anything else as it simply didn't work without being a 60cm disc with 2 pole spikes. The only other thing that would actually spin and hit other robots was a 100mm circular saw. I just kinda chose the lesser of the two evils. Plus, the saw could overturn some robots, so that was a bonus.

My in-game team is Carbon R200 Club, by the way.

This is probably gonna end up being the new "Spinner From The West". :SFTW
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: The Red Blur on February 23, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
Well, first of all, don't touch the armor options, and then it is stuck on "DSA", which, in stock, is lighter, and stronger, than steel.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on February 23, 2016, 03:35:52 PM
Well, first of all, don't touch the armor options, and then it is stuck on "DSA", which, in stock, is lighter, and stronger, than steel.

So not choosing armor gives you better armor?

Wasn't aware of that. Until today I have never built something in Stock before, so I always thought choosing armor was important.

...Unless I've misinterpreted what you've said?
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Thrackerzod on February 23, 2016, 03:39:01 PM
Well, first of all, don't touch the armor options, and then it is stuck on "DSA", which, in stock, is lighter, and stronger, than steel.

So not choosing armor gives you better armor?

Wasn't aware of that. Until today I have never built something in Stock before, so I always thought choosing armor was important.

...Unless I've misinterpreted what you've said?

Nope, you've got it right.  It's a weird bug in the game.  All the Stock AI bots have double-strength armor, too.

As far as the design you're making, I just don't think it's possible to make in Stock effectively.  The only good weapons in stock are razors, maces, iron spikes, and sometimes bear claws, and I don't think any of those would fit given what you're trying to do.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: lloopp D lloopp on February 23, 2016, 04:04:18 PM
I know basically nothing about stock but nice avatar man
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Bobyasianboy on February 23, 2016, 04:09:22 PM
Honestly IRL bots aren't really done in stock, it's mainly just unrealistic bots which utilize glitches in the game to make things such as this (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36536screenshot_4.png) (stolen from Sage's showcase). IRL building is best done in DSL or Ironforge.

If you do want to continue with it though, you don't need that many batteries, I'd say 1 nifty(the red battery) would do. And yeah, DSA is double the strength of aluminium and the same weight, you always want to use it.

If you want to try unrealistic building, this is a really good guide: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm#basic (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm#basic)

Also, props on making an original skin for it. Not many people do that.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: R1885 on February 23, 2016, 04:16:21 PM
Well, first of all, don't touch the armor options, and then it is stuck on "DSA", which, in stock, is lighter, and stronger, than steel.

So not choosing armor gives you better armor?

Wasn't aware of that. Until today I have never built something in Stock before, so I always thought choosing armor was important.

...Unless I've misinterpreted what you've said?

Nope, you've got it right.  It's a weird bug in the game.  All the Stock AI bots have double-strength armor, too.

As far as the design you're making, I just don't think it's possible to make in Stock effectively.  The only good weapons in stock are razors, maces, iron spikes, and sometimes bear claws, and I don't think any of those would fit given what you're trying to do.
Single sided ice picks, small axes, short pole spikes, and pointy tips are also good if you can work around the normals.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Honestly IRL bots aren't really done in stock, it's mainly just unrealistic bots which utilize glitches in the game to make things such as https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36536screenshot_4.png (http://[url=https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36536screenshot_4.png)]this[/url] (stolen from Sage's showcase). IRL building is best done in DSL or Ironforge.

If you do want to continue with it though, you don't need that many batteries, I'd say 1 nifty(the red battery) would do. And yeah, DSA is double the strength of aluminium and the same weight, you always want to use it.

If you want to try unrealistic building, this is a really good guide: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm#basic (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm#basic)

Also, props on making an original skin for it. Not many people do that.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36536screenshot_4.png)

^ the image he tried to link
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badnik96 on February 23, 2016, 06:51:19 PM
At least you made an effort on the skin. If you resize your bmp file to 512x512 or 1024x1024 (or any file that's a multiple of 64) then you can get higher-quality skins in game. This should keep the text from looking as blurry as it does.

I don't really see the point of the rear wheels, so just get rid of them entirely. Also, every wheel in RA2 stock has the same grip, so we generally use the lightest ones (shiny hubs) unless we need the extra size.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Reier on February 23, 2016, 06:53:33 PM
building on what boby said if you want to do a more realistic approach you may want to try the DSL or ironforge mods, most of the glitches prevalent in stock RA2 are banned there and you get more components to boot.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: RedAce on February 23, 2016, 07:09:13 PM
As far as the design you're making, I just don't think it's possible to make in Stock effectively.

But yeah.  I like what you tried to do with a more IRL approach in stock, which is fine.  But if if you do want to look at some advanced tips and tricks for making an extremely good bot, I would highly recommend you look at Sage's Tutorial Thread (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=4512.0).  He's made a bunch of tutorials for Stacking and Axle loading and whatnot that I find extremely useful, even to this very day.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on February 24, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
Thanks for all the advice, guys. I'll make sure to have a look at the different guides and tutorials; see what I can learn from them.

I made another robot, as Protogen was fun but rather bad (I may enter it in N00B WARZ V because it is my first robot built in Stock after all) and I wanted to be victorious for once in in battles.

I edited all the different images into one, it's probably more efficient. Picture quality got obliterated, though.  :ermm:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/96963Robot Arena 2 - Wings Of Fire Splash Image.jpg)
*The blue text above "WINGS OF FIRE" says "When driver and machine become one, they are unstoppable. Or something else some Initial D character said."

This robot began it's life after I was dicking around on the computers at my school at lunchtime (yes the age in my profile is false, I assumed you had to be a certain age to join the fourms so I basically thought "If I put in a big number, I won't have any problems." My age is 15.) because I got Robot Arena 2 to run successfully. I wanted to make a robot with ridiculously large and not even slightly sensible weaponry, so I made a robot called "UTOPIA OF F**K STUPID", put two powerful motors outside of the robot then put massive tri-bars with razor tips spinning vertically. I then slowly added everything else into the robot (which is what a bad builder does, I know. This design wasn't serious in the first place) and the end result was... Something that looked like it would work?! I emailed the robot to myself so I could use it at home and tweaked it from there, doing things like adding front wheels, replacing the tri-bars with discs and adding a hammer because Grog, The Warrior kept on hitting Wings of Fire before I could hit him with the discs, which pissed me off. Eventually, after spending a fairly long time making a texture for the robot (longer than Protogen anyway) I finished up with what you see here; something that's probably going to give me negative rep for having so many flaws.

One major flaw with this; IT'S RIDICULOUSLY SLOW. And to think, I improved this one's speed. UTOPIA OF F**K STUPID struggled to turn at all. Maybe it's the two Z-Tec motors devouring my batteries, of which there are many in the robot. Oh, and yes, the weapons are weak, but each one is so powerful it's capable of holding it's own with just 1 disc. I won one of the single player events after losing 1 disc and the crappy rage hammer in round 2 of a 4 round tournament (wow give me a gold star) and to me, that spells out; "It works."

To everyone else, it probably spells out; "That's not going to work against anything that isn't the Stock AI." I kinda think the same.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: 090901 on February 24, 2016, 06:39:54 PM
HACHIROKU DRIFTU?
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Gauche Suede on February 24, 2016, 06:48:56 PM
To everyone else, it probably spells out; "That's not going to work against anything that isn't the Stock AI." I kinda think the same.
Well then go get Starcore V3 so that you can be sure if it works against non-Stock AIs.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: FOTEPX on February 24, 2016, 06:55:54 PM
HACHIROKU DRIFTU?

kawaii hachiroku needs to be a robot now.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2016, 08:45:24 PM
I think your building style would work a lot better in DSL or Ironforge, but who am I to say what mod you should play.

As for the bot, the tiny wheels on axles arent doing much and can be removed, and the rear wheels can be changed to shinies (try to get them on ztecs or HP ztecs). Angle and square connectors waste weight, so in general you should never use them, and use round extenders instead. Make sure you use the red ones.

One large battery is more efficient than lots of smaller batteries. I think 2 blacks will be more than enough for your bot, 1 if you remove the hammer which isnt doing much (as bots should be hit away by the discs first).

All that,combined with shrinking the chassis should give you weight for more razor/iron spam on the discs to make them even more damaging. You might also want to consider swapping the hammer for a wedge, by moving the DDT. Good luck!

Edit: also build to the weight limit, and use iron spikes or razor tips on the discs. Irons, razors and maces are the only weapon types ever used (with a few rare exceptions).
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on March 02, 2016, 03:29:13 PM
Eyyyy. Made another thingy. I've been making a fair few robots in Stock now; I'm learning what works and what doesn't. I made a robot recently that I was gonna showcase here, but decided against it as it's not particularly good. Plus it looks like an odd fusion between Terrorhurtz/Beta and Dead Metal.

The robot I have made here is something I am actually quite proud of. As in, I actually got this to work in the Middleweight class. And I built it up to the weight limit, so that's a plus.

A downside for it is that the weaponry, as with Wings of Fire, is easy to knock off, but this thing has blinding speed; it's one of the fastest robots I've ever made. It's invertable and also very damaging. That, and the disc constantly flicks opponents over, so the stock AI have got nothing on this.

(Apart from Tornado who smashes it like it's lego

The support beams are probably lego anyway)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/81164Robot Arena 2 - Tempest Atomic Bomb Splash.jpg)

I CAN EXPLAIN THE NAME GIVE ME A MOMENT

It's supposed to be some nickname from a racing game that said game gave me near the end. The game tries desperately hard to give you something that sounds cool and when I saw "Tempest Atomic Bomb" I thought it was perfect for a name or nickname, even if it made little sense.

I'm well aware that there are glaring weaknesses with this design (trust me, if I could do a reverse Adam Clark and cover up the motors, I would) but I just like these slightly crappy yet competent robots that can win fights and be unique while they're at it. Sorry if it looks like something someone's done before; I'm not sure what designs other people have made.

Actually, now that I look at it, it looks more like a PulverizeR recreation. Or a less crappy Daisy Chopper.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
You don't need all those angle connectors. Baseplate anchors have multiple angled versions, and you can use control+mouse to move components up and down on the baseplate, allowing you to put the anchors on top of each other.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on March 02, 2016, 03:44:39 PM
You don't need all those angle connectors. Baseplate anchors have multiple angled versions, and you can use control+mouse to move components up and down on the baseplate, allowing you to put the anchors on top of each other.
That didn't work for me for whatever reason, but OK. I remember trying that first but the baseplate anchor always came up as the semi-transparent red thingy, making me assume that you had to put it on the baseplate.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: The Red Blur on March 02, 2016, 04:27:25 PM
You don't need all those angle connectors. Baseplate anchors have multiple angled versions, and you can use control+mouse to move components up and down on the baseplate, allowing you to put the anchors on top of each other.
That didn't work for me for whatever reason, but OK. I remember trying that first but the baseplate anchor always came up as the semi-transparent red thingy, making me assume that you had to put it on the baseplate.

You do, but you sorta don't. As Badger said, if you hold Ctrl, and move the mouse downwards, any component you are holding should float upwards.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badnik96 on March 02, 2016, 05:18:45 PM
Square connectors have the same HP as round ones, and as such are a waste of weight.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: 090901 on March 02, 2016, 07:51:28 PM
Square connectors have the same HP as round ones, and as such are a waste of weight.
Unless you use the 140 cm Square extender, which is only 5kg.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badnik96 on March 02, 2016, 08:17:13 PM
oh right that probably is the 140cm extender isn't it. my bad.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on March 04, 2016, 11:26:32 AM
I made another robot, but this one is a little different from the others I've made. Protogen and Tempest Atomic Bomb were slight nods to other robots (Barberous and S3, respectively) but now I have made a proper replica of another robot. And personally, I think I did a pretty good job.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22099Robot Arena 2 - Tanto Splash Image.jpg)

Wrong weight class, I know, but it's still pretty good visually. It preforms well too (even if the disc lacks range.)

The ram plates are there to protect the motor and to look like the support... beams...? For the disc. Big wheels, high top speed, damaging weapon, and the wedge is a bit bad to be honest. Still fun to use!
And the eyes. Tanto looks a lot better with them. Looks better with the disc too.

I'm not sure if you're supposed to post replicas in regular showcases, but I'm putting this here anyway.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Avalanche on March 04, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
I made another robot, but this one is a little different from the others I've made. Protogen and Tempest Atomic Bomb were slight nods to other robots (Barberous and S3, respectively) but now I have made a proper replica of another robot. And personally, I think I did a pretty good job.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22099Robot Arena 2 - Tanto Splash Image.jpg)

Wrong weight class, I know, but it's still pretty good visually. It preforms well too (even if the disc lacks range.)

The ram plates are there to protect the motor and to look like the support... beams...? For the disc. Big wheels, high top speed, damaging weapon, and the wedge is a bit bad to be honest. Still fun to use!
And the eyes. Tanto looks a lot better with them. Looks better with the disc too.

I'm not sure if you're supposed to post replicas in regular showcases, but I'm putting this here anyway.

Replicas can be posted in showcases and also in the Pay tribute with Replicas thread.

Also, I recommend switching to DSL or Ironforge if you wish to do replicas as you will have many more components to use.

Still, pretty good.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badnik96 on March 07, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
I guess it's not awful for a stock replica, but yeah you really want to go to DSL if you want to make replicas.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 01, 2016, 05:34:12 PM
This next robot is less "I made a thing" and more "I need help with a thing."

So, uh... say hello to Satan's hellspawn!
(that's not the name but it is an accurate description)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36170wat do.jpg)

I'm not sure what I've done wrong here. I saw a lot of robots using Z-Tec motors for wheels in Geice's "The Cauldron" stock MW tournament and I decided I'd try making something along the lines of what everyone else made, as they knew a lot more about what they were doing than I did. But, whenever I try to test this, it can't move. It just stops dead right where it started.
For the record, I literally threw the weapon on there 5 minutes ago. I have no clue how much damage it does (probably not a lot)

Sooo... what exactly have I done wrong? Do I need to post more images of different viewing angles?
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Lemonism on April 01, 2016, 05:39:56 PM
From the looks of it, you should try rotating the zteks so that the flat side is facing the ground. That should hopefully fix the driving issue.
Post some more pictures that show the rest of the chassis more clearly so that people can give you some more advice.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 01, 2016, 06:01:10 PM
Rotating the Z-Tecs... Z-Teks... whatever way you say them, appears to have worked.
Here's another image of the robot; I'm starting to think the 2 wheels on the front aren't necessary.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/18029wat do 2.jpg)(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/8512wat do 3.jpg)
The chassis is supposed to be a 'H' because I wanted to call the finished entry "Full Metal Honda" because I'm a car freak and I'm bad with names. Was gonna make this;
kawaii hachiroku needs to be a robot now.
However that's an idea I'm saving for RA3.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Sircreepalot2 on April 01, 2016, 06:01:53 PM
from the looks of it, it doesn't really even look liike it needs the wheels outside of the chassis.  also, weight?
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: 090901 on April 01, 2016, 06:03:53 PM
if someone makes a bot called kawaii hachiroku it needs to have something like popup headlights but instead of headlight it would have generic cute anime girl eyes
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 01, 2016, 06:05:56 PM
from the looks of it, it doesn't really even look liike it needs the wheels outside of the chassis.  also, weight?
It weighs 391.8 KG. The wheels on the outside thing is because they don't fit inside. And because I saw everyone else do it in the "The Cauldron" tournament. I assumed it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Clickbeetle on April 01, 2016, 10:35:14 PM
from the looks of it, it doesn't really even look liike it needs the wheels outside of the chassis.  also, weight?
It weighs 391.8 KG. The wheels on the outside thing is because they don't fit inside. And because I saw everyone else do it in the "The Cauldron" tournament. I assumed it was a good idea.

They almost fit inside though.  For maximum efficiency, you should do one of two things: Make the chassis slightly bigger so the drive will fit inside, or make it much smaller so there is just enough room for the baseplate anchors.

Most people put drive motors externally because it allows the chassis to be smaller.  With a big chassis, it is better to have internal drive because your motors won't fall off then.

4WD is cool but totally inefficient unless at least two of the motors are HP Z-teks.  4 normal Z-teks are about as powerful as 2 HP Z-teks but almost twice the weight.

I kind of like this design; I can't remember seeing anyone build a serious 4WD MW spinner before.  4WD is so heavy on a MW you usually only see it on rammers.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 03, 2016, 02:52:12 PM
I changed the robot a little.
I made the decision to make it 2WD so I could fit A) more razors onto the disc and B) wedges onto the robot. This was at the sacrifice of some of the battery power, but I thought "It's -2 Z-Teks so it should be enough with one large battery."
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/41910wat do 4.jpg)(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16522wat do 5.jpg)
I did want to stick with the 4WD design, but I feel as if that wouldn't have worked as effectively as I'd want it to. The disc's blades are low to the ground, so that should work well with the wedges.
The 2 razors facing upwards on the disc may be unnecessary; I'm not sure. It now weighs 393.8 KG. Uses DSA. Hopefully it's still within the Back To The Roots tournament rules; I'm unsure if the disc having 6 razors breaks any rules.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Fracture on April 03, 2016, 03:08:17 PM
Looks great, you should be able to handily beat Stock MWs with that. The only thing I can advise is to save weight by reducing empty chassis space to upgrade the weapons and get HPZ drive. Try moving the two back anchors to the space behind the centre anchor; splitting the black into two Nifties might help if you want symmetry.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: R1885 on April 03, 2016, 03:42:02 PM
-Uneven wedges are a no. Mount the Snapper 2 motors perpendicular to the chassis to improve the wedges

-There is no reason to have the drive motors hanging out, get them internal to save a little bit of weight

-Try to get HP-Ztek drive, they only add ten more kilos

-Stay away from angle connectors, they waste a ton of weight
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 03, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
-Uneven wedges are a no. Mount the Snapper 2 motors perpendicular to the chassis to improve the wedges

-There is no reason to have the drive motors hanging out, get them internal to save a little bit of weight

-Try to get HP-Ztek drive, they only add ten more kilos

-Stay away from angle connectors, they waste a ton of weight
I was able to even out the wedges, but that was all I was able to do with the design. I could put the wheels facing inwards, but then I had the "it doesn't move" problem again. I'd rebuild the robot if it's really necessary, but I think I'll go over the weight limit if I do. It's probably worth a shot, anyway.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Naryar on April 04, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
design isn't bad, you however need to remake your chassis to save weight. also use HP zteks.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Badnik96 on April 04, 2016, 04:39:25 PM
You're definitely improving. You need to shrink your chassis though. I get the whole theme you have with the H shape, but you're unnecessarily hindering yourself in the weight department.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Joelu Of Eagleland on April 05, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
This is just before I finish up the rebuild of the robot. I was wanting to ask;
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1703wat do 6.jpg) (I'm not showing the whole thing yet.)

I turned the wedges upside down (180 degrees) so the wedge wouldn't be as steep, and therefore they would be more effective at getting in underneath other robots (theoretically.) Is that right, what I've done there? Is it better to do that or to have them the right way up? Or does it not matter either way?
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: Fracture on April 05, 2016, 05:20:49 PM
This is just before I finish up the rebuild of the robot. I was wanting to ask;
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1703wat do 6.jpg) (I'm not showing the whole thing yet.)

I turned the wedges upside down (180 degrees) so the wedge wouldn't be as steep, and therefore they would be more effective at getting in underneath other robots (theoretically.) Is that right, what I've done there? Is it better to do that or to have them the right way up? Or does it not matter either way?
Honestly no one really knows how wedges work other than snapper+extender+small wedge with no other components is the best, though even that can fail (see BBEANS 5). My gut tells me that the steepness really shouldn't matter, but what does matter is that if the wedge is upside down like that there is a chance that when pressure is put on it by the chassis, the bottom right vertex touches the ground without the left vertex doing so which would be pretty bad.
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: R1885 on April 05, 2016, 08:22:11 PM
From my own experiences:
The closer a wedge is to being level with the ground, the better it is

The more weight at the front, the better the wedge is

The longer the extender the wedge is attached to is, the better the wedge is

The less ground clearance a bot has with wedge has, the better the wedge is

The more junk attached to a burst motor with a wedge is(most common with blue extenders), the worse the wedge is

Emergency wedges will always be inferior to small wedges in terms of wedginess, but are wider and can serve as armor in a pinch

Burst motor hierarchy that I found effective: Blue<DDT<Snapper2(But only when attached with the burst arm perpendicular to the floor(Lengthwise near the floor or width-wise))
Title: Re: Rainbow Impreza Tries To Do Stock But Fails Miserably
Post by: R01 on April 23, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
I've recently seen your thread but haven't had time to reply until now, gotta say that I like the Barberous inspired robot, nice to see Stock robots that aren't the usual stock competition bots.

-I'd suggest adding a second sawblade and to put them a bit more out to the sides, so it's like : Wheel|Sawblade|Center|Sawblade|Wheel.
-Redbird Motors are technically better than the Angle Motors, however I'd recommend them instead since they take less width(either that or make your robot wider, should help with getting the hits in, since this type of robot needs to get close and having a small width might end up with your wheels blocking the blades).
-As for back wheels, try to put them in the center height, not sure if you actually need them(unless you are building for realistic style).
-I'd highly recommend to put one of the big batteries in your robot, from what I remember the pink ones should only be used as extra batteries or only on small/middleweights since they give out less power(so having blades and drive activated doesn't give them full speed) and have a bad weight/power ratio compared to the others.