Creepytacoman's first showcase (but definitely not first bots)

[Creepytacoman]

so, I used to play robot arena way back when I was 13. I played it all the time without any guides or forums. I don't have the files, but I did manage to recreate my most famous bot, badname. This thing never lost. Ever. To be fair, it was with a bunch of IRL friends and we only knew what we found out, so I'm sure I'm going to be slaughtered a few times here. Regardless, I picked robot arena 2 back up after a long time and I rebuilt my old beauty!



So what can I do to get this up to speed in terms of the new meta going around?

EDIT: just realized I should explain how it drives. It can go forward, backward, turn like normal except due to the wheels being positioned symmetrically across from eachother it can spin at pretty high speeds when all the motors are spinning the same way. I don't know if it's good for a horizontal spinner, but I can usually hit 2500s now and then with 500s going constantly.

[KOS]

Welcome to the forums dude :D As for the bot, it's actually a very solid first build, so be proud.
To improve, here are some tips:
1) Try using shiny hub wheels, as they weigh only 12kg. (If you want invertability use grannies.)
2) Minimize empty space: if you get rid of empty space, you will have weight for more weapons.
3) (I'm not sure if you know this already) If you skip the amour tab, you will actually have double strength aluminium, which is stronger than steel, but the weight of aluminium!
4) Lastly and most importantly, check this website out. This shows you all the glitch techniques in stock and will make you a better builder.

[Creepytacoman]

Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely change wheels. As for empty space, I don't think I can make it much smaller. The motors have odd hitboxes that make them take up even more space than normal when they're rotated like that.

EDIT: and yes, I do know the special armor glitch

[Naryar]

Seems like you have really too much extenders, minimize your extender work.

Also add another pair of HP Z-teks and wheels, so it spins faster.

[Mecha]

I think if the weapons were on axles it would be much more effective, like this:
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=693.msg62374#msg62374 (2nd bot on page)

Also, Welcome!
 

[playzooki]

less empty space as well

[Creepytacoman]

I think if the weapons were on axles it would be much more effective, like this:
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=693.msg62374#msg62374 (2nd bot on page)

Also, Welcome!
 

Ah so that's what they call flails? Fascinating idea, but I just can't seem to think that having them free-spinning would be much better. The biggest problem I have is when something is partly immobilized and it's difficult to hit it because of the circle of weapons. I imagine this has a long wind up time so it wouldn't be easy to kill something like that.

Seems like you have really too much extenders, minimize your extender work.

Also add another pair of HP Z-teks and wheels, so it spins faster.

and how would I add another set of wheels? If I put them on the outside, I'm basically just copying the entire above suggestion at that point.

[Jakewilliamson]

Welcome, Please enjoy your life time with RA2.

[Badnik96]

Due to the centrifugal force once you get up to full speed the razors on the axles will stay outward as long as you're still spinning. Due to the way damage is calculated in RA2 razors on flails are better than just razors due to their high frequency. Also, IIRC there's a glitch with flail spinners that'll make you spin faster with flail razors.

[Creepytacoman]

Ah, I was looking at it from a real life perspective. However, it seems that it's simply game physics that make them better. Thanks for the tip!

[Badnik96]

Yeah, game physics and real life physics are nowhere near the same. You'll have to sacrifice a little spin up time but trust me it's worth it.

[Creepytacoman]

Yup. Complete redesign. changed to razor flails, added another pair of wheels, made wheels on outside to compensate, and made chassis smaller. However shiny hubs aren't big enough or something because it wouldn't drive with them. I went back to my orginal wheels and this thing is a beast. It's able to either hands-down no problem beat 3/4 heavyweight AIs in starcore or be easily torn to pieces by the other 1/4.



It appears that flails somehow get past most of the weapons/armor, hitting straight at the chassis. Depending on the design, it can KO in only a few good hits. Specifically, 1337 speek 2.0 is completely butchered by this. I won in 8 seconds in one round against him.

[Creepytacoman]

here's a video:

what are some of the records for fastest kills? (other than HW vs LW)

[Pwnator]

here's a video:

what are some of the records for fastest kills? (other than HW vs LW)

Popups regularly score 2-3 second KOs against the right bot types.

Also the reason you're not able to get shinies on it is because of inefficient chassis management. 12 anchors eats a lot of weight (and requires a taller chassis), and with practice you can reduce it down to 6 (along with a shorter chassis). But yeah if all else fails, use grannies instead of N12s.

[Creepytacoman]

I tried to have only a few anchors, and at one point I had 8. However, the game only allows a few items per anchor, so I was only able to put on maybe 2 razors each. I had anchor > splitter > extender > axle > extender > 20cm > razors. Now I have all that except the splitter, plus another set of 20cm > razors. Any way to improve this without sacrificing weapons?

[Clickbeetle]

Also the reason you're not able to get shinies on it is because of inefficient chassis management.

Looks to me that it's more of an issue of Z-tek rotation.  You have the pointed end of the Z-teks facing down, which doesn't allow shiny hubs to touch the floor.  If you put the flat side down, it should work.

If you don't want to clone Scrap's bot completely, take a look at NFX's Revolutions Per Minute.  (Only picture I could find is in the Ironbot splash.)  He used a disc on a servo to attach all his weapons.  I think he used a second disc on a servo to attach the drive as well.  The advantage of this, of course, is that stacking with the eFFe glitch is a whole lot easier.

[Pwnator]

From that POV I assumed the axles were above the HPZs, not beside, so I thought the wheels had to be larger so the axles won't scrape the ground when inverted. But yeah, that too.

[Creepytacoman]

Looks to me that it's more of an issue of Z-tek rotation.  You have the pointed end of the Z-teks facing down, which doesn't allow shiny hubs to touch the floor.  If you put the flat side down, it should work.

oh that's why! Of course, thank you so much. I've been trying even the most simple of bots with square chassis and 4 wheels, nothing worked. That makes much more sense now..