Posted by: cephalopod« on: March 12, 2013, 05:39:30 AM »Maybe one idea is to encourage people to run lots of small (8-bot-ish) tournaments rather than 1 big one, it should help keep things fresh. I know I am going for this idea if I decide to host again after RIP3. Youknow, a week in discussion, a few days in signups, a few days in Brackets/Vids, the entire process could be done within 2 weeks.
Posted by: Naryar« on: March 12, 2013, 04:09:51 AM »This idea of gtm cash is hilariously complicated and mostly useless. Who's gonna bother spending his time giving fake money for mild rewards ? Or at least gonna bother for more than one month ?
also, the problem is that it's an intangible reward. Sure, it's pretty. Sure, it makes you feel good. But no more than that. Not to mention that some newbies will care more about the reward than the tournament, thinking GTMcash is "cool" and "exciting", resulting on some half assed average quality tournament and the newbie does several of these. JD's original idea was good. Because it takes one minute to give people a new shiny title if they have been making good tournies. No need to bother more about it. But yet... Completing tournaments generally earns you respect, gives you more influence, and makes people more prone to listen to you, unless you have been failing at social interaction otherwise, in which case it does not help you much. It has always been such on these forums. Not to mention the hilarious moments, the awesome moments, and the sheer satisfaction of battle lust that comes with it for everyone. Is that no reward enough ? a tournament is it's own reward, Posted by: Jack Daniels« on: March 12, 2013, 03:54:51 AM »I like the idea of earning points/money/credits towards rewards. However, the problem with that is it would be an absolute pain to keep track of. Unless there is something that can be easily programmed into the forum for Mod to issue GTMCash, it would be a lot of work for somebody to keep track of all the transactions and so fourth.
That is why I just wanted to keep it simple and reward a special username color for a basic (easy to keep track of) achievement. Trov makes excellent points too. I am unfamiliar with the limitations of the forum settings. So, it sounds like changing priviledges for members could be more trouble than it is worth. I was just brainstorming ideas for rewards that could be easily tracked and awarded no matter who is modding the forum (this year, next year, 5 years from now) GTMCash would be a lot of work to be honest. The idea is awesome though. Posted by: kill343gs« on: March 11, 2013, 10:21:25 PM »Whatever happens, people should still get banned from hosting tournaments if they drop out multiple times
Posted by: Meganerdbomb« on: March 11, 2013, 09:03:16 PM »People who don't care enough to finish tournament won't care about some forum prize either. If the purchasable prize was an arena or something then maybe it would help motivate people, but people can give those out to others.It's still a better idea than sending people to the gulag. Posted by: ianh05« on: March 11, 2013, 06:34:27 PM »People who don't care enough to finish tournament won't care about some forum prize either. If the purchasable prize was an arena or something then maybe it would help motivate people, but people can give those out to others.
Posted by: Mr. AS« on: March 11, 2013, 06:23:52 PM »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement#Positive_and_negativewords Quote as Trov said people can release rewards to the public or just give them out to their buddies on here.yes, we're just hoping that GTM is able to use the honor system. besides, the only item that can be redistributed is the action cam Posted by: ianh05« on: March 11, 2013, 06:20:07 PM »eeeh you shouldnt have to purchase tutorials. those are so that you can further your skill in ra2 when you start out, and odds are that when you start you will have little to no interwebs dollas.the only reason the current punishment is tourney bans is because fotepx and teamx were being dumbasses back in 2010/early 11.I like this. I like this a lot. I still doubt it's effectiveness against those who don't finish tournaments and as Trov said people can release rewards to the public or just give them out to their buddies on here. Posted by: Kossokei« on: March 11, 2013, 05:27:16 PM »*double post so as to not create an even bigger TL;DR paragraph*
For example, if someone wanted to learn (or figure out, understand, whatever) my style of IRL, I could make a tutorial basically going through the process I'd go through while making an IRL bot. For instance (example within example within example within...) "you see these teeth they look really nice but they're really weak and not really worth the looks; these teeth look just as nice for a better stat gain" "these wheels aren't as grippy as hypnos or technos but they look much cooler, are easily invertable and are pretty all-around statwise, this wheel and this wheel are similar in that sense." "usually if I have extenders like this I'll decorate them with this like that, given I have enough weight left over." "these kinds of extenders are really useful when it comes to doing this, but these extenders serve the same functions and look better and they have more useful choices" "the way I do this motor protection for such a drum is I take a weapon slave hex, put a piglet on either side and line the tip with 20cm DSL bars. After that, you can use the connection points on the flat parts of the dsl bars to do whatever you want; put beater bars or some sort of teeth." and so on. Posted by: Kossokei« on: March 11, 2013, 05:16:53 PM »I don't mean you can only get tutorials by buying them, but you can buy advanced tutorials to further your experience, like a book, sort of. Like, you can have your basic everyone-gets-to-see-it skinning tutorial and then you can have your "bro this is a based god's guide" that you can buy. Or, you can have a tutorial that covers everything on that topic (like the beetlebro's guide for stock) then you can have separate tutorials by other people, like Sage or inf and then you can conglomerate methods of building or whatever, or if you wanna learn how to build similarly (NOT CLONING!) to someone who has a particular style, same applies.massive block of textthe only reason the current punishment is tourney bans is because fotepx and teamx were being dumbasses back in 2010/early 11.I like this. I like this a lot. That was my whole idea for the tutorial buying thing. Basically it would be separate "X: Y edition"'s, similar to textbooks. I hope that isn't too complicated to understand Posted by: Mr. AS« on: March 11, 2013, 05:01:33 PM »eeeh you shouldnt have to purchase tutorials. those are so that you can further your skill in ra2 when you start out, and odds are that when you start you will have little to no interwebs dollas.the only reason the current punishment is tourney bans is because fotepx and teamx were being dumbasses back in 2010/early 11.I like this. I like this a lot. i have come up with some items and actions you can do to earn more $$$ Change username color* ... $500 Change title* ... $750 for text title, $1250 for an image Add a new smiley* ... $1250 Action Cam ... $1500 Enable longer signature ... $2 x character Change username ... $2500 $ = whatever form of "currency" we decide on. * = rules would have to be enforced on what you could change it to/add, ie no goatse/tubgirl, no admin title/color how to earn money: Showcase a robot ... $10 x new bot** Write a tutorial ... $25-200 (depending on quality) Host a challenge ... $50 x participant Host a tourney ... $10 x match Release AI pack ... $5 x new bot*** (and possibly some other possibilities as well) **("new" meaning that it isnt just a reskin or tweak of an earlier bot, and "bot" being an actual creation, not just a giant dsa chassis with nothing in it) ***new bot made by the maker of the pack (as in they wont get $ for other people's creations) in essesnce its just the contributor contest 24/7. of course as much as trov is a cool guy and all, we would need more than trov (hes busy enough) to moderate the outflow of money, AKA someone who wont just give themselves 9 million grand and leave everyone else out. dunno weather some of these are able to be implemented or not, but i still think its a pretty cool idea Posted by: Kossokei« on: March 11, 2013, 04:34:29 PM »the only reason the current punishment is tourney bans is because fotepx and teamx were being dumbasses back in 2010/early 11.I like this. I like this a lot. To further on this point, there could be a purchasable thing called "Change User Title" and the person could change their titles, or "Change Username Color" so the person could change their name colors (make sure it's a color that isn't Admin, Roboteer, Glomod, etc), and maybe (for a ton of credit points) a "Change Username"; self explanatory. Some of the other purchasable items could include exclusive arenas, Trov's action cam, Tutorials of whatever made by whoever (Skinning; SD, Efficiency+; Naryar/inf/sage/whoever else, DSL IRL; SD, VB, I don't want to play favorites here) and so on. Could be fun. Posted by: cephalopod« on: March 11, 2013, 04:30:49 PM »There should be some rewards system, when you start a tourney it seems like the best idea... but then after you've spent countless hours AIing, you begin to not see the incentive. You occasionally get a 'thanks' and that's about it, if we can encourage people to start tournaments and complete them for a reason, maybe we will see more success.
Posted by: Mr. AS« on: March 11, 2013, 04:25:03 PM »the only reason the current punishment is tourney bans is because fotepx and teamx were being dumbasses back in 2010/early 11.
i agree with JD about using positive reinforcement to encourage tourney completion. we just need to set a reward as "you will get one/# of X for every Y tourney(s) you host". perhaps use some sort of currency, and have contributions earn virtual "money" that you can redeem to get a variety of things? (user titles, username colors... that sort of thing. maybe trovs action cam can be purchasable under this system as well) Posted by: cephalopod« on: March 11, 2013, 04:15:13 PM »I agree with JD even though I am guilty of this - need motivation, but RIP3 will be finished, as everything I start.
And Ian is being stupidly harsh. That's the scaremongering that will prevent people even starting them in case they can't complete. |