ITT why Goon should be banned

[Meganerdbomb]

so i guess perma-bans mean nothing anymore if people can just make another account

like seriously this is like the third time this has happened

he has a point. permaban covers alts man.
andy blew his chances long ago and needs to deal with the consequences

So what's the over/under on him getting banned again before RA3 is released?

The people have spoken. Ban Goon, or we all leave GTM.

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

We kinda can't kick HA out if we let LRA2 / Avalanche stay. Just wouldn't seem fair. At least that's how I see it.

(I mean that as in "let them both stay" and not "kick both out")

[WeN]

or we all leave GTM.

Wat? We all leave GTM?!

[Mr. AS]

or we all leave GTM.

Wat? We all leave GTM?!

Yeah dude. *Literally* everybody on the forum is going to leave. We plan on making our mass-migration to RA2 Refuge if action isn't taken soon.

[Badnik96]

We kinda can't kick HA out if we let LRA2 / Avalanche stay. Just wouldn't seem fair. At least that's how I see it.

LRA2 was a kid (he was legit nine years old) when he was banned so I can excuse that. He's matured a lot since then.

Andy doesn't have any excuses for what he's done, he's a grown ass man.

[kill343gs]

Signing onto the case folks. I'll get the crew together and figure out where we go from here, hopefully we'll have this figured out tomorrow. Most likely we'll be asking for community involvement in the final decision. Stand by.

[ACAMS]

If he doesn't stay I am leaving 

[DeadGenocide]

If you ban Goon I'm gonna RIOT

heh see what i did there

[Meganerdbomb]

If he doesn't stay I am leaving 

In that case I withdraw my request. ACAMS has spoken. Nothing to see here.

[Goon]

Good to know I don't need to actively troll to piss people off.

[Natef]

We kinda can't kick HA out if we let LRA2 / Avalanche stay. Just wouldn't seem fair. At least that's how I see it.

LRA2 was a kid (he was legit nine years old) when he was banned so I can excuse that. He's matured a lot since then.

Wait he was 9? Seriously?

[The Red Blur]

Didn't acams sorta, kinda retire ages ago, anyway? What difference does it make.

Imo, Avalanche is fine, due to the previously mentioned reason, but HA was a man capable of making his own decisions at the time he was banned (which was around 6 months ago, mind you), so he is held accountable, and must now suffer the consequences of his actions.

And yes, I am willing to leave if goon stays. I don't want it to come to that, though.

I mean, what use is a permaban if I were to (god forbid) troll the entire forum, get myself banned, and just come back half a year later with a different account, and be accepted?

[NeighImACarrot]

Has avalanche really changed that much? But back to Andy I think that if he is willing to change he should have a probation period where if he does anything worth a warning he gets banned again.

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

And yes, I am willing to leave if goon stays. I don't want it to come to that, though.

That's kinda childish IMO. Let's be honest; no-one's gonna really be bothered if you, or any other standard member leaves. The forums aren't gonna collapse so leaving won't change a thing.

He's hasn't done anything wrong yet, so I think it'd be unfair to form such a negative opinion of him, regardless of what he was like with his other account.

[yugitom]

regardless of what he was like with his other account.

Why should we disregard that? Doesn't that undermine the purpose of perma-banning?

[Squirrel_Monkey]

When someone is permabanned it means that community staff decided that the individual was no longer welcome on the forums. The matter of which "account" they log in with is irrelevant. All accounts of the individual should have the same applied to them (especially as multi accounting is also banned right?).

In every community that I have been is a staff position I've encountered people making new accounts to circumvent permabans and have simply re-banned then and IP-banned where possible.
If a player wants to appeal a ban after sufficient time has passed, I see no problem with them contacting forum staff and requesting a second chance. New accounts are not in anyway the answer.

[Naryar]

And yes, I am willing to leave if goon stays. I don't want it to come to that, though.

As was said beforehand : Leave. No one will give a damn.

He's hasn't done anything wrong yet, so I think it'd be unfair to form such a negative opinion of him, regardless of what he was like with his other account.

You have no idea how he was back then. And no, I believe it is very fair if people form negative opinions about ex-disruptive members.

If he wants redemption he's gonna have to work through that bad reputation he got.

As for I, I am willing to give him a chance. If he blows it up, however, I'll be the first to get him out of those forums.

[cephalopod]

Preface: This message does not speak for the rest of the staff, purely my own opinions and does not reflect any staff decisions.

Didn't acams sorta, kinda retire ages ago, anyway? What difference does it make.

And yet he still pays for the servers, so has more of a say than anyone else as to how his website is run.

If a player wants to appeal a ban after sufficient time has passed, I see no problem with them contacting forum staff and requesting a second chance. New accounts are not in anyway the answer.

We were informed of Goon's identity prior to any posts being made. Imagine what it would've been like if he came back on the prior account. Nobody cared about Goon being around until they learned of who he is, seems a little prejudiced imo.

This is all my doing however as I was the first staff member told. I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

He's hasn't done anything wrong yet, so I think it'd be unfair to form such a negative opinion of him, regardless of what he was like with his other account.

You have no idea how he was back then. And no, I believe it is very fair if people form negative opinions about ex-disruptive members.

...Fair enough, I guess I didn't know. It just didn't seem quite right (at least, in my opinion) to assume he'll be disruptive again. But as you said, I have no idea what he was like. He seems OK so far, though...

I honestly think we- never mind, I'd basically be saying what Craaig said except it wouldn't be worded as well.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

If a player wants to appeal a ban after sufficient time has passed, I see no problem with them contacting forum staff and requesting a second chance. New accounts are not in anyway the answer.

We were informed of Goon's identity prior to any posts being made. Imagine what it would've been like if he came back on the prior account. Nobody cared about Goon being around until they learned of who he is, seems a little prejudiced imo.

This is all my doing however as I was the first staff member told. I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

So what was the process here? Did he create the account and you guys found out, or did he tell you, or did you tell him to create a new account?
As I said, if it was decided that he should have a second chance then go right ahead, I have no problems here.
He's only had a few posts so time will tell.