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Site Information => Site News and Feedback => Topic started by: Scrap Daddy on March 01, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
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Make it so a member has to have been a member for more than a year to start a topic in Tournament Discussion? The amount of tournaments started by noobs lately is getting really annoying. Especially the fact that half of them aren't even prepared to do it and don't finish. 1 year might be too much but perhaps 6 months?
Besides, I liked it better on the old forum where there were a few awesome tournaments instead of the multitude that are started nowadays. Tournaments kinda lose their coolness when there are new ones popping up everyday...
Just an idea.
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Make it so a member has to have been a member for more than a year to start a topic in Tournament Discussion? The amount of tournaments started by noobs lately is getting really annoying. Especially the fact that half of them aren't even prepared to do it and don't finish. 1 year might be too much but perhaps 6 months?
Exactly what I've been suggesting... There needs to be some rules cos it's getting stupid.
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Is it me or has G.K been AIing all these new tournaments?
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what? I mean I was only on the forums for like 2 MONTHS when Replica Wars started and you're saying I have to wait until freakin' AUGUST to start #2? I mean if they're complete and utter NOOBS (like certain unmentionables..*glares at TX and LRA2*) its OK, but putting that on EVERYONE limits the number of tourneys that will run will decrease to like BBEANS and Clash Cubes with a few other tourneys sprinkled in between, killing RA2 even more, because the chance that half of these people will stay for a whole year is kinda slim.
But that's just me [/endrant]
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If there was a rule that you couldn't make a tourament till you have been on the forum for 6 months, CC 1 wouldn't happen.
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correct :P hehe I started CC1 after like 3 months of being online... actually CC1 revived my RA2 interest so I may have not been on here :S
we thought with the allowing signups section we would filter it but some (no names mentioned) use others help to get there rules past the sign ups then change 50 million things after each round.
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its hard to do as some people can host a tournament after low activity but others really cant. only thing I can suggest is a split section you have the "big league" and the "little league" newer members cant make any big league tournaments until a few successful little league tournaments are made.
that would give the "big league" section more prestige like what Scrap is after while not reducing the amount to the point the community is on life support ;)
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People that successfully complete tourneys should be remembered and kept on a list. If they have proved their worth, they should be able to do future tournaments.
New members that announce tournaments really should be given 4 random bots that they need to AI, film, and post successfully as a test. If they fail at that stage, it should save us all a bunch of time.
It's a gamble... I remember when we doubted members like Badnik and Jonzu... both of them came through and put out decent tournaments. They also learned a bit during the process. This is why I am focusing on entering their tournaments as they announce them. Because I trust them.
It really is too bad when tournaments fail though... it wastes everyone's valuable bot-building time.
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Settle down Badnik, no need to rant. Just shooting off an idea. Never said anything actually had to be done about it. Though I agree 6 months might also be a bit too much since there are definite exceptions.
But just look at the tournaments that have been started and most likely won't finish. LRA2 is getting caught up in a thread that has nothing to do with his tournament, TX obviously used his computer breaking as a cop-out that he can't take the pressure of running a tournament, and Mouldy king bash has started at least 3(even though GK came and saved the day).New members that announce tournaments really should be given 4 random bots that they need to AI, film, and post successfully as a test. If they fail at that stage, it should save us all a bunch of time.
And there's an idea I like. Honestly, if someone isn't positive they can finish what they started, then don't. I know for a fact I will never start one until I get a better computer because I hardly run regular matches without lag, never mind with fraps running. I'd be burnt out in a week.
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I tend to agree with the basic gist of the idea (being too many crappy tourneys). There was a time that I entered absolutely every single tourney because I could keep up. Now, without an army of pre-made bots at your disposal, it's damn near impossible. Hell, I hardly even read the signups section because of all of the junk. I'm not sure what we could do though without destroying the chances of people like JB running the CC series only ~3 months into their tenure at GTM's. Mind you, if my memory serves, CC1 wasn't a huge tourney, but it gained buzz because it was so well run.
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how about a single thread with a download link to 4 random robots....
when people want to start a tournament for the first time they download the robots, AI, Film 3 matches running for 1 min each (to find a winner) edit it all up into 1 video with some nice titles and editing (to show enthusiasm) and upload it to something like youtube post the link in the thread and they get approval or not.
chatter is kept down to a minimum and no insults or anything.
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I might be a noob for doing a tourment and G.K AI'ing my tourment but this is very correct.
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Was it 6 months before I started Doomed Bots?
I quite like this idea, but the test one is alot better, because I was able to run Doomed bots, which became a really big tourney, pretty well (although I had some help from JoeBlo).
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but all I tackled was the easy part.. videos
you still AI'd and put together everything yourself, sorted out screen recording methods and a way of publishing the videos too
which are the most important points...
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Just an idea: Maybe you should do an example of what you can do with like a mini-tourney with like 2 bots, and if you do a good job you will be put on a list or something. IDK, might not be a good plan.
And I think you have to be able to AI yourself instead of having someone else do it for you (MKB......).
I actually agree with waiting a certain period of time before hosting a tourney, though I don't know if it should be 6 months or whatever.
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What happens if you call the person a n00b because he's really bad at bot building, but is an awesome AI-er?
And vice-versa?
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TBH, how do you tell who's gonna be good at tournaments? I was fine with Chinese Whispers(*Nudges JoeBlo*)
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TBH, how do you tell who's gonna be good at tournaments? I was fine with Chinese Whispers(*Nudges JoeBlo*)
We wouldn't know, because it hasn't happened yet.
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New members that announce tournaments really should be given 4 random bots that they need to AI, film, and post successfully as a test. If they fail at that stage, it should save us all a bunch of time.
I'm all for this.
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I didn't see that and I posted almost the same thing. XD
But yeah, I agree.
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maybe istead of 1 year on the forum 300 posts?
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No, because LRA2.
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500?
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No, because LRA2.
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Post count just means you talk too much. Look at Sparkey
and LRA2....
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I like the "four random bots" idea, because it is actually based off their ability to do the tournament, instead "they have been here a while" or "they talk a lot".
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But they still shouldnt be nooby. It doesnt matter if Sparkey could AI or not, he would probably end up running the tourney like LRA2 does, with trying to change the rules and stuff...
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How about add I this: if you, the builder, do not think the person can run a tournament, you just don't join their tournament. If he gets no entries then he can't run a tournament. There is also the rule already in place that says you can't run a tournament if you have already failed to do so.
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But theres always people who will just join any tourney. It could be the worst tourney ever designed and people still just say "I'll Join!"
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But theres always people who will just join any tourney. It could be the worst tourney ever designed and people still just say "I'll Join!"
Then that becomes their own gamble for joining the tournament.
I think, ultimately, we are trying to get new hosts to prove themselves worthy in a more solid way before we all waste our time.
"4 Bot Test" recorded, cut, posted and displayed would give most people a general idea of whether they want to enter a tournament or not. If they post it, and the AI stinks... or the editing is poor, or they play Miley Cyrus for background music, whatever... you have some grounds to decide if you want to participate. Rather than just taking the new host's word for it.
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I think that there should be a seperate subforum in the Tournaments and Contests section, titled 4 Bot Test or something like that. Using the four given (and very different) bots, that could be found in a stickied thread in the section. Each little 4 Bot tournament will be in its own thread, which will be a poll. After a two week or so voting period, It will be either yes or no. If it is no, then they must wait 3 months before they are allowed to start another thread. We can keep a list in another stickyed thread, and anyone who has already done a good job will be put on the list, along with the people who pass. The people who fail can go onto another list in the same thread, with the date that they can have a second attempt.
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only thing I can suggest is a split section you have the "big league" and the "little league" newer members cant make any big league tournaments until a few successful little league tournaments are made.
that would give the "big league" section more prestige like what Scrap is after while not reducing the amount to the point the community is on life support ;)
I like this idea. You could put limits on the size of little league tournaments, say 16 bots or 32 at the very most, so the host doesn't bite off more than they can chew. After they finish one or two little league tournaments they can make big league tournaments, which can be as big as you want since by that time the host will have experience.
Or, a simpler variant. Just add to the general tournament rules a stipulation that your first tournament can be no bigger than 16 bots. Your second tournament can be no bigger than 32, and after that it can be as big as you want.
Wait... that's actually pretty similar to the 4-bot test. The 4-bot test is kind of like a mini 4-bot tournament. Now that I think about it, that's a pretty good idea.
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I think 32 for your second tourney is too much personally. Maybe 8 and then 16?
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2 then 4.
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thats a boring tourney
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I was joking, but that's not really the point.
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I dont know if this was mentioned but why dont you say for instence G.K goes againest a new person who hasn't done a tourment before (only if they want to make a tourment) and if they win they could get a decal as a medal and put it on the robot they won with. For losing I dont know.
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What exactly is the point?
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I dont know if this was mentioned but why dont you say for instence G.K goes againest a new person who hasn't done a tourment before (only if they want to make a tourment) and if they win they could get a decal as a medal and put it on the robot they won with. For losing I dont know.
Wat?
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I like the idea of the Four Bot Challenge, I have been thinking about maybe starting a tournament after BBEANS, but I dont know if I have the capability. A Four Bot Challenge would allow me to attempt something simple, give me experience with FRAPS and splashes/opening cutscenes, background music and all that good stuff. So it would be just as much of a "learning and improvement" experience as it would be a test. Sounds like a good compulsory thing that everyone who wants to host a tournament should do.
A whole new thread section under the "Tournaments and Contests" area called, "Four bot Tournament Challenge" (or some other more suitable name) should be implemented in it.
This would contain a sticky with a list of:
-Green light tournament hosts (Those who have passed the 4 bot test with the general approval of the community)
-Yellow light Hosts (Those who can do it, but maybe the edges are still rough, bad ai's, lame splashes, little to no obvious effort)
-Red lights (Those who do not have the capability or follow through to complete a tournament at all)
Those who are red's cannot host, yellows can but only a max of 16 bots and its basically builder beware, greens can host up to 32.
Not alot of Tournaments get above 32 entries, only events like BBEANS and CC seem too, if a green light host wants more than 32 than he/(she?) must pm JoeBLo or ACAMS (Or whoever is best I am unsure) for permission. This can be done if there is overwhelming interest, or other good reasons, it is then up to our Trusted Moderators to make the best decision to keep everyone happy.
Of course those who have already hosted succesful Tournaments will automatically become green lights.
Perhaps it will become mandatory in the rules or discussion of each tournament that the host specify whether he is green or yellow?
As well as everyone posting their mini tourney's as "d-larks four bot challenge" for community review.
Well, thats all for my ideas. Would be a neat Idea, If anyone wants to send me four bots, I might try and do the AI/ Mock Tourny thing as a test to see how well the idea works in practice. I don't mind being a guinea pig and am 90% sure I have the capabilities.
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i wouldn't mind being the "guinea-pig" of this four bot challenge idea. just saying...
EDIT: d'oh! just read the post above mine. well...i wouldn't mind being the 2nd guinea-pig. :P
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Well, basically we just need someone to supply four bots that test our AI skills.
Personally I think that the bots shouldnt be overly complicated seeing as anything with a multi.py usually needs tweaks that only the builder should do.
Im thinking a random mix from an assortment of the regular bots
HS
VS
FS
Pop Up
SNS
Rammer
Flipper
Poker
etc...
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We don't need any "guinea-pigs".....we need less idiots and "guinea-pigs" starting tournaments all the damn time!
Locking this is the best idea I have had in a while!