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Off-Topic => Real Robotics => Real Robotics Discussion => Topic started by: FOTEPX on June 12, 2010, 08:25:06 AM
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Yep, i'm gonna be building my own robot. a FW tracked robot with two protruding spikes, like 101 but with double the weaponry and the spikes being electrically powered. Still VEEEERY early in production. Going to start making it awesome in the 6 week holidays.
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Sounds Awesome Fotep! What do you plan on calling it?
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I'm just throwing some ideas and thoughts out here.
1. How will your weapon damage the opponet/control the fight to win?
2. How will you build your tracks? Custom from some company or make them your self? Rubber or metal links like a bulldozer? Have you ever seen a truly affective tracked bot?
Problems I see.
1. Your weapon will not be able to cause damage or control a fight and seems like a waste of weight.
2. Tracks need to be tensioned to stay on. One hit from a spinner and you are done. Tracks are generaly wasted weight because they don't offer any mobility and you still can get outpushed.
I also recomend 4 18 volt drill motors and colson caster wheels for an unbeatable featherweight drive train.
Good luck
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I'm just throwing some ideas and thoughts out here.
1. How will your weapon damage the opponet/control the fight to win?
2. How will you build your tracks? Custom from some company or make them your self? Rubber or metal links like a bulldozer? Have you ever seen a truly affective tracked bot?
Problems I see.
1. Your weapon will not be able to cause damage or control a fight and seems like a waste of weight.
2. Tracks need to be tensioned to stay on. One hit from a spinner and you are done. Tracks are generaly wasted weight because they don't offer any mobility and you still can get outpushed.
I also recomend 4 18 volt drill motors and colson caster wheels for an unbeatable featherweight drive train.
Good luck
1. It's only a VERY early beta, might change it.
2. It comes free with the base (http://www.lynxmotion.com/Product.aspx?productID=660&CategoryID=121 (http://www.lynxmotion.com/Product.aspx?productID=660&CategoryID=121)) so I thought "Why not?"
Sounds Awesome Fotep! What do you plan on calling it?
Planning Raider, Aeza, or CybeRaider.
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a FW is 30 pounds, that track kit is designed to handle about 5 pounds plus it was not designed with combat in mind. try starting smaller and more basic
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Check this out if you want a bot kit: http://Kitbots.com (http://Kitbots.com)
I have used the 18 volt drill motors to great sucess with Shish-Kabot. If you are determined to use the kit you posted you probably could make a sub par hobbyweight.
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Check this out if you want a bot kit: http://Kitbots.com (http://Kitbots.com)
I have used the 18 volt drill motors to great sucess with Shish-Kabot. If you are determined to use the kit you posted you probably could make a sub par hobbyweight.
I don't want a hobby robot, i want a fighting robot.
Step 1 to improve: 18v drill motors
Step 2: ?Up to you guys?
PS: Is this a better base? http://www.lynxmotion.com/Product.aspx?productID=279&CategoryID=5 (http://www.lynxmotion.com/Product.aspx?productID=279&CategoryID=5)
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Did you even check out Kitbots.com? The kits are based on very competitive bots. Surgical strike is ranked #1 in the Hobbyweights.
Hobbyweight is the 12 lbs weight class.
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Did you even check out Kitbots.com? The kits are based on very competitive bots. Surgical strike is ranked #1 in the Hobbyweights.
Hobbyweight is the 12 lbs weight class.
I did, but they didn't seem to have what I wanted. Either that or i couldn't find their full list of item sellage. Roaming robots only has FW, AW and HW, BTW.
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That base you just posted Fotep says in the page that it is for autonomous robots.
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Thats a 3lbs sumo bot. You could build a crappy beetleweight with that.
Heres a real baseplate
http://cgi.ebay.com/2024-T3-Aluminum-Plate-50-x-12-x-24-/320419599364?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9a7f1404 (http://cgi.ebay.com/2024-T3-Aluminum-Plate-50-x-12-x-24-/320419599364?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9a7f1404)
Edit: You aren't going to find any true pre-made bots where you just add a weapon and go. If you do not have capibility / abillity to make a baseplate for a bot you probabily can't make a weapon or armor either. Questions to ask yourself before you start your build.
1. Do you have ability to work with metal or plastic?
2. Do you have the tools?
3. Do you know anyone who has experience or tools who can help you?
4. Do you have a design or plan?
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The answer to all them is yes, but we're carp when it comes to wiring.
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we're carp when it comes to wiring.
Yay! More animals!
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OK the reason i said what i said was to try and save you from wasting 400$ on something that wouldn't work, even now the sumo bot kit your looking at wouldn't hold up very well its not designed for huge impacts, its designed for pushing. I'm just trying to give some advice to help you from wasting your time and money.
oh and for the record Sparkey98 i have built over 11 combat robots in the past 2 years, all of witch, even my crappiest designs, trump your cardboard boxes ten fold. in the past 4 competitions I've been to I've won 3 1st 2 2nd and a 4th, videos are on youtube, and no there aren't any strings attached to my bots
you can take your advice from Sparkey98 if you like but but wouldn't you rather have someone with real credentials give you help
sorry if i have come come off cocky but its frustrating that you would rather listen to a kid that does this
Combat Robot Jerry S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbKZctVZ2tk#ws)
rather then the person that does this
Ripto vs. Maelstrom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S3vHI6WHYw#)
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OK the reason i said what i said was to try and save you from wasting 400$ on something that wouldn't work, even now the sumo bot kit your looking at wouldn't hold up very well its not designed for huge impacts, its designed for pushing. I'm just trying to give some advice to help you from wasting your time and money.
oh and for the record Sparkey98 i have built over 11 combat robots in the past 2 years, all of witch, even my crappiest designs, trump your cardboard boxes ten fold. in the past 4 competitions I've been to I've won 3 1st 2 2nd and a 4th, videos are on youtube, and no there aren't any strings attached to my bots
you can take your advice from Sparkey98 if you like but but wouldn't you rather have someone with real credentials give you help
sorry if i have come come off cocky but its frustrating that you would rather listen to a kid that does this Boxbots T.I.M. VS. WARNER!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEPUL8D-T7U#ws)
rather then the person that does this
Ripto vs. Maelstrom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S3vHI6WHYw#)
All I said is that you're being cocky! besides, you did'nt THINK about posing the video of JS, my fully functioning spinner Antweight now DID YOU? And I've built TWO other combat robots two! I'm tired of taking this crap about my videos!!!!!!!
/endperpouslyexageratedrage
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you mean that piece of paper with the fan scotch taped to it, I'm sorry but you need to have controlled linear movement in order for that to qualify, witch it does not. i will give you some credit, at least you have something RC now, but you might have better luck with wheels next time
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Ummm, no. It is made out of hobbygrade foam laminated with packing tape, and has a hobby zone model airplane motor attatched to a three channel reciever, and can move forward very iseally.
Not to mention I now have a walker, a four channel Sumo bot, and a face spinner.
and a hackbot wege.
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Ummm, no. It is made out of hobbygrade foam laminated with packing tape, and has a hobby zone model airplane motor attatched to a three channel reciever, and can move forward very iseally.
Not to mention I now have a walker, a four channel Sumo bot, and a face spinner.
and a hackbot wege.
I DEMAND VIDEO PROOF
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your brushed ff-030 motor with the prop attached to a piece of depron foam does not qualify as a combat robot because it does not show controlled forward movement, all it can do is spin uncontrollably. it is "something" but you would not be able to compete with it at any normal competitions other then to teach you Humility. as for the sumo bot statement, sumo bots by the standard rule set are autonomous, so you wouldn't control them. plus you will never need more then two channels to drive a sumo bot, no matter how many drive motors you are using one channel for right side forward/back, and another for left side forward/back
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enough off topic rubbish here..
...Like?If you're going to just critisize at every possible moment, then I seeno point you bwing here. You ahve to HELP somehow if your going to beso negative.
he was offering you advice, take it or leave it but dont bite back when you dont want to hear something.. you should be thankful for others showing an interest.. they could sit back and watch you pour countless $$$ into something that wont reach your end goal.
remember text does not convey feelings.. if you think he is being mean its your own personal thoughts when reading it.. nothing to do with the poster.
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its clear that you don't know what you talking about but thats besides the point, back on topic fotepx, what you need in order to build a proper UK FW is read fully through the FRA rules first http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/documents/Build_Rules_2008_v2.pdf (http://www.fightingrobots.co.uk/documents/Build_Rules_2008_v2.pdf) when you have done that and your design fits all those aspects you can begin building. for your frame and armor i would have to recommend 3mm to 6mm 4130 chromoly steel, or 7075 aluminum. the steel will be heaver but much easier to weld you can simply have someone arc or meg it for you, were alu welding is much more difficult and far less people are skilled at it. for a drive system 2 to 4 18v drill motor drives should work great depending on what your trying to do with your robot, you will also need a speed controller for them a scorpion XXL should work wounders. and a 6 pack of A123 to power it all should do the trick. as for your weapon your best bet would be using some solenoids powered by some massive capacitors but you would have to do alot of electronics homework first
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I would have probably done what vipdragon said a few posts back but EVERYBODY in our family is crap on the wiring front, and this things gonna take a Loooooooooooot of wiring. Also, considering the fact that this is my first bot ever with no practice, I thought a starter kit would be fine.
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I thought a starter kit would be fine.
it would be, but you need to get the right starter kit for the right goal ;)
also if you have a local R/C or hobbies shop see if they cannot do some wiring /soldering for you.. im sure they wouldnt charge much if at all
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well for just a drive-able bot you could just use the scorpion XXL http://www.robotpower.com/catalog/ (http://www.robotpower.com/catalog/) very simple to wire, in fact all you would have to do is solder wires to your motors then tighten the terminals down on the other end of the wires, that simple. if your simply not sure how to solder properly watch this quick little beginners tutorial How to Do It: Basic Soldering (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLfXXRfRIzY&feature=player_embedded#)
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You could buy one of these http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/battlekits.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/battlekits.html)
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Thats for a lightweight to Heavyweight build. The Lightweight chassis weights about 30lbs. They used to have a featherweight kit. It is not really a kit it is more of a complete drivetrain. I know Team Hammertime used one in their middleweight SubZero.
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OK the reason i said what i said was to try and save you from wasting 400$ on something that wouldn't work, even now the sumo bot kit your looking at wouldn't hold up very well its not designed for huge impacts, its designed for pushing. I'm just trying to give some advice to help you from wasting your time and money.
oh and for the record Sparkey98 i have built over 11 combat robots in the past 2 years, all of witch, even my crappiest designs, trump your cardboard boxes ten fold. in the past 4 competitions I've been to I've won 3 1st 2 2nd and a 4th, videos are on youtube, and no there aren't any strings attached to my bots
you can take your advice from Sparkey98 if you like but but wouldn't you rather have someone with real credentials give you help
sorry if i have come come off cocky but its frustrating that you would rather listen to a kid that does this
Combat Robot Jerry S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbKZctVZ2tk#ws)
rather then the person that does this
Ripto vs. Maelstrom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S3vHI6WHYw#)
Also, how come everybody thinks I'm not anymore capable than this? I am EXTREMELY good with mechanics, have built several combat robots, a crossbow, a dowl cannon, many types of guns, explosives, and I helped by team get 3 out of7th place in a rube goldberg contest! I need to find my camera then I woll film them....
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the reason is what you have shown off hasn't been a very good show of the abilities you clam to have. if you had shown actual robots rather then boxbots or string bots every time you clam to have built something we might have a little more respect for you
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When I find my camera I will film everything I mentioned exept the rube goldberg as it is lost, I just hate people thinking I'm stupid. Just beacuse I'm into robotics dos'nt mean I can't be into boxbots. All my friends are, BTW and alot of the boxbots in thoose vids were built by them, not me.