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Off-Topic => Real Robotics => Real Robotics Discussion => Topic started by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2013, 09:13:46 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISrRSv0tfrM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISrRSv0tfrM#)
It's... It's so beautiful... My life is now complete.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002369873/4621772307_crying_smiley_face_4_answer_1_xlarge.png)
thread title changed to make more legit-skbt
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This... It's isn't a joke?
Like, there's going to be more of this? Or is it just like, a one shot?
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You guys are late
However it is nice to see it made into a show like format again.
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I'm surprised about the lack of discussion. I hope there will be spinners at some point.
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Watched half of it then left. I had it on mute because I don't like the sound of the commentator.
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'tis beautiful, hopefully it will get enough recognition that it gets televised appearances again.
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I hope there will be spinners at some point.
There won't be.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/30085Robosmiley.PNG)
I'll be even more happy if it airs on TV :D
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I hope there will be spinners at some point.
There won't be.
How you can be so sure?
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I hope there will be spinners at some point.
There won't be.
How you can be so sure?
Because none of them wnat to fight spinners. Vertigo explained it to me once and it was long and conviluted so I forgot why. But he sounded pretty sure there would never be any more HW spinners in England.
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To be honest, I love flippers but if 75% of the contestants are flippers, then it's getting ridicilous.
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To be honest, I love flippers but if 75% of the contestants are flippers, then it's getting ridiculous.
I agree as well, and to my surprise, I have talked to a lot of European/English folks that think its ridiculous to not allow the simplest of spinning weapons -circular saw?- to fight. I really doubt RW will see a Last Rites or Hypnodisc anytime soon. Just allow spinners.
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THose folks obviously aren't the builders or organizers, otherwise they'd know that the UK arena isn't safe for spinners.
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One word: Insurance.
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One word: Insurance.
This. The cost to insure it would be ridiculous as would the cost to upgrade and transport the arena.
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I understand the reasons behind banning spinners, but I also agree that a fight amongst four heavyweight flippers is just boring and dumb.
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I understand the reasons behind banning spinners, but I also agree that a fight amongst four heavyweight flippers is just boring and dumb.
i still think the answer is complete control
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I thought Spinners "weren't safe"?
But yeah, I'd like more variety. It's 90% Flipper, 8% Axe/Torque Reaction, 1% rammer, and 1% whatever Cherub is.
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There will be one for each event. The Portsmouth one will be coming soon.
The commentator isn't the best but unfortunately he's the only person who has the time to do it so there isn't much choice.
As for the flippers are boring, bring back spinners comment that arises in almost every thread about the UK, there are three main points.
1. Shows are still selling out. Until it becomes a problem, as harsh as it sounds, nobody is going to care if a small group of people don't enjoy the fights. It's only the people who pay to come to the events rather than watching it for free on youtube who's opinion is heard, as they are the people who support us.
2. The cost of making a spinner proof arena is monumental.
3. There are too many events to have spinners. Next year there will be 12 full Robot Wars shows alone, plus Robots Live and all the demo shows like we've just done in Tyneside. If you were a roboteer would you have the time and money to completely rebuild your robots after every event?
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I don't think it's boring, I just want more variety. Even some rammers would do.
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We're always encouraging more variety but that's a hard thing to do. At the end of the day when people are spending thousands on heavies they're going to build what they want :P People want to win and so they build flippers.
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I don't think it's boring, I just want more variety. Even some rammers would do.
At least there is some more variety in new bots poking up now Helloface from what I've heard and seen. Its slowly growing back (Vert could probably confirm this better than I can)
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I don't think it's boring, I just want more variety. Even some rammers would do.
At least there is some more variety in new bots poking up now Helloface from what I've heard and seen. Its slowly growing back (Vert could probably confirm this better than I can)
Ummm.... Not as far as I know.
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There was Rattler, wasn't there? Other than that, same teams. I still love swing the classics like Ripper, Thor, IA5/6, Explosion, etc.
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Rattler's a flipper...
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Rattler's a flipper...
I was replying to CK as in Rattler is a newer bot, and from the glimps I got of it, it looks like an oddly shaped one.
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I suppose it is less conventional, but it's not that new. It was the Disturbed for a few years before it became Rattler.
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If spinners will never happen, I vote for more axes. ^____^
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Rattler's a flipper...
I was replying to CK as in Rattler is a newer bot, and from the glimps I got of it, it looks like an oddly shaped one.
Probably thinking more of the European Championships coming up.
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If spinners will never happen, I vote for more axes. ^____^
Quite possibly, just wait and see... :P
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Flippers were nice for awhile...
But now every time i go to RL or RW its always flipper v flipper. It just gets really boring especially as everyone gets thrown out the arena in the first 30 seconds. I would love to see more Axes about. Thor is the only decent axe-bot going about at the moment (i haven't seen terrorhurtz for awile but i know that it is pretty powerful). More crushers would be great, Tiberius is the only UK crusher going about, but even then Tiberius isn't seen at many events nowadays (at least i don't think so anyway).
I doubt that spinners will make a come back in the UK for a long while. as far as i know i don't think anybody has the money (or the motivation) to build an arena that can safely contain spinners in the UK(for heavyweights).
So to conclude...
Flippers are boring. :(
Impossible
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...and yet shows are still selling out. The shows are still entertaining and Robot Wars in the UK is at it's hight of popularity since the TV show ended. The crowds don't find flippers boring at all so it doesn't really seem to be an issue.
Whilst everyone seems to think spinners are a great idea and are really entertaining, from a show point of view, there are three things to consider:
1. Spinners make for really short fights a lot of the time. When an audience has payed to see a show, they want to see three minute fights, not really short ones. Over here fight lengths have become much longer since the addition of cages and ropes.
2. They result in a lot of destruction of other robots which makes running a show difficult. Destruction is much more apt for a competition rather than entertainment.
3. They result in a lot of boxes being built. The major complaint in the UK is to do with featherweights, and the large abundance of weaponless boxes. If flippers are dull, boxes are REALLY dull. You've got to admit that fights such as Eruption vs Iron Awe or Ripper or any other flipper are more entertaining than Sewer Snake vs Original Sin.
As for crushers, they result in the same three things, except there is no entertainment at all. Razer was made to look exciting on TV by very clever production. Tiberius putting its claw into a robot causes a lot of damage, but there is no sparks, no noise, and it looks very boring from a crowds point of view. Axes are entertaining because they are fast and loud, whereas crushers tend to be too slow and 'boring' to be entertaining.
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by everyones logic, angle grinders rule
because sparks
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...and yet shows are still selling out. The shows are still entertaining and Robot Wars in the UK is at it's hight of popularity since the TV show ended. The crowds don't find flippers boring at all so it doesn't really seem to be an issue.
Whilst everyone seems to think spinners are a great idea and are really entertaining, from a show point of view, there are three things to consider:
1. Spinners make for really short fights a lot of the time. When an audience has payed to see a show, they want to see three minute fights, not really short ones. Over here fight lengths have become much longer since the addition of cages and ropes.
2. They result in a lot of destruction of other robots which makes running a show difficult. Destruction is much more apt for a competition rather than entertainment.
3. They result in a lot of boxes being built. The major complaint in the UK is to do with featherweights, and the large abundance of weaponless boxes. If flippers are dull, boxes are REALLY dull. You've got to admit that fights such as Eruption vs Iron Awe or Ripper or any other flipper are more entertaining than Sewer Snake vs Original Sin.
As for crushers, they result in the same three things, except there is no entertainment at all. Razer was made to look exciting on TV by very clever production. Tiberius putting its claw into a robot causes a lot of damage, but there is no sparks, no noise, and it looks very boring from a crowds point of view. Axes are entertaining because they are fast and loud, whereas crushers tend to be too slow and 'boring' to be entertaining.
1. Even though we have cages and ropes, most heavyweight fights end in less than a minute (especially 1v1 or flipper v flipper). I suppose that 4 way-mellees tend to last a bit longer, but a lot of fights with flippers quite often end in under 3 minutes. But i will admit, plenty of them also do last the 3 minute limit.
2.Point taken
3.In my opinion flippers and boxes are both equally as boring
4. people who have watched the tv show will probably of seen razer and from entertainment's point of view, If a robot like razer (a crusher bot) appears in a live show and puts its jaw into another robot people will enjoy the fight simply because that robot is doing what razer would done to it's oppenents (or at least try to do what razer did, even if it only made a couple of small holes). If people didn't watch the tv show then i suppose that your quite right.
I understand that event organizers are trying to create a entertaining show, but there wouldn't be much variety in robot design if there were only bots that had entertaining weapons(which is mainly flippers). then eventually, i would've thought that the show would become boring due to lack of variety(which is what i fear might start happening soon if no more new robots are created that don't involve flippers). If theres more variety the show would get much better from an entertainment standpoint. Sometimes i think the reason that no one is interested in producing robot wars episodes to be used on tv, is that there are too many flippers/not enough variety.
@playzooki: yeah angle grinders rule. and sparks for that matter.
Impossible
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Yeah, I guess so. It would still be interesting to see saws vs flippers though.
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i didnt mean angle grinders a good lol
they just look cool.
but vertigo is right
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by everyones logic, angle grinders rule
because sparks
Essentially, yes from a crowds point of view!
We're always trying to encourage variety, but when people are spending thousands on robots they're almost always going to build the most competitive design, and you can't really blame them for that.
As regards to our team, we have our two competitive robots, Explosion and Eruption. We have now contemplating building a few other robots of a different design. This year already saw the introduction of Combustion at the GSL (FW spinner), which didn't go so well so is currently being rebuilt. We are then looking to build a FW axe, and then do what we did with Explosion and scale it up to a heavyweight.
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As regards to our team, we have our two competitive robots, Explosion and Eruption. We have now contemplating building a few other robots of a different design. This year already saw the introduction of Combustion at the GSL (FW spinner), which didn't go so well so is currently being rebuilt. We are then looking to build a FW axe, and then do what we did with Explosion and scale it up to a heavyweight.
Actually sounds like a good plan Vert. gives some variety in the future.
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by everyones logic, angle grinders rule
because sparks
Essentially, yes from a crowds point of view!
We're always trying to encourage variety, but when people are spending thousands on robots they're almost always going to build the most competitive design, and you can't really blame them for that.
As regards to our team, we have our two competitive robots, Explosion and Eruption. We have now contemplating building a few other robots of a different design. This year already saw the introduction of Combustion at the GSL (FW spinner), which didn't go so well so is currently being rebuilt. We are then looking to build a FW axe, and then do what we did with Explosion and scale it up to a heavyweight.
Speaking of axes do you have any idea on where Grant is on building the brushless axe he posted on the fra? It sounds to be something to be reckoned with.
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ITT: Vertigo admits that Robot Wars is not a competition, but a show, much like a traveling circus or professional wrestling.
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Not to the extent of those examples, but essentially yes. Except for the main competition (Newport this year).
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Somebody make a translational thwack.
Probably FW, it will add variety.
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Somebody make a translational thwack.
Probably FW, it will add variety.
Like this?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/64360spin2win.JPG)
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Nah.
I think Herr Gepounden or whatever was translational
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It is translational. It's part of its name.
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Video?
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by everyones logic, angle grinders rule
because sparks
Essentially, yes from a crowds point of view!
We're always trying to encourage variety, but when people are spending thousands on robots they're almost always going to build the most competitive design, and you can't really blame them for that.
As regards to our team, we have our two competitive robots, Explosion and Eruption. We have now contemplating building a few other robots of a different design. This year already saw the introduction of Combustion at the GSL (FW spinner), which didn't go so well so is currently being rebuilt. We are then looking to build a FW axe, and then do what we did with Explosion and scale it up to a heavyweight.
So Vertigo just asking a question but do you have any influence in the UK sport to the point where you can request to allow spinners in because your bot is in the combat robot hall of fame?
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He dossnt have control, but if he said something, people are more likely to respect it.
And vertigo is against spinners.
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Video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YB_58rUY6A#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YB_58rUY6A#ws)
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actually that would be cooler
make
it
now
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by everyones logic, angle grinders rule
because sparks
Essentially, yes from a crowds point of view!
We're always trying to encourage variety, but when people are spending thousands on robots they're almost always going to build the most competitive design, and you can't really blame them for that.
As regards to our team, we have our two competitive robots, Explosion and Eruption. We have now contemplating building a few other robots of a different design. This year already saw the introduction of Combustion at the GSL (FW spinner), which didn't go so well so is currently being rebuilt. We are then looking to build a FW axe, and then do what we did with Explosion and scale it up to a heavyweight.
So Vertigo just asking a question but do you have any influence in the UK sport to the point where you can request to allow spinners in because your bot is in the combat robot hall of fame?
lol the hall of fame doesn't count for much.
I don't have any literal "control" but influence in the sense that we have quite a lot to do with the two major EO's so I suppose my opinion is respected and regarded.
But there's no way that I'm going to request spinners at the main events.