Author Topic: Razer vs Tornado - Fair fight? (Read 15021 times)

Badger · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2011, 02:10:40 PM »

Quote from: LiNcK on February 08, 2011, 01:21:56 PM

Quote from: TheRoyalBadger on February 08, 2011, 01:18:23 PM
Too versatile, part of the fight is different matchups. Also, that 'frame' couldn't be put on. I mean no major structural/weapon changes.

I find it okay to use interchangeable weapons...
But making a super cage SPECIALLY to win against Razer (That doesn't even fit in the pit) & Then remove it forever is unfair for me.

Reminds me of when I was new in RA2 & My brother played it with me, I made this bot with like 10 razors on he side spinning & I just blew their wheels :D
Then they started making bots that would be PWNED by everything else (Literally, They couldn't even kill AIs with that, But they could with the others) but it was impossible for MY bot to kill them...
That's just low & Unfair :\

Better solution.

Also, either small changes, such as new motors/weapon tips, or a completely new bot, IMO. See Chaos 2.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2011, 04:11:07 AM »

Another piece of interesting info..

They made an Anti Hypnodisc structure of some sort.. Pics never surfaced but HypnoDisc disputed it prior to the fight and as a result they ended up using the scoop.

Apparently outlawed on the grounds it was intended for defense thus not fitting in the interchangeable weapons ruleset.. sure was a bit of a stretch to get around the rules with the frame..

Resetti's Replicas · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2011, 02:24:00 PM »

It was ok'd because they needed the frame to counterbalance their big spinning blade

Badger · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2011, 03:23:17 PM »

Quote from: Sonny_Resetti on February 09, 2011, 02:24:00 PM

It was ok'd because they needed the frame to counterbalance their big spinning blade

Obviously. Not cheating at all then. [/sarcasm]

Scorpion · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2011, 03:29:31 PM »

Yeah, lets face it, the disk was crap, they only made it for the frame.
And anti-hypnodisk? How would that work?

Badger · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2011, 03:54:23 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on February 12, 2011, 03:29:31 PM

Yeah, lets face it, the disk was crap, they only made it for the frame.
And anti-hypnodisk? How would that work?

Make their bot Pussycat, call it interchangeable weapons and sorted.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2011, 08:43:22 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on February 12, 2011, 03:29:31 PM

Yeah, lets face it, the disk was crap, they only made it for the frame.
And anti-hypnodisk? How would that work?

sounds like it was to drop all the weapon system weight and put it all into Armour...

Quote from: Scorpion on February 12, 2011, 03:29:31 PM

Yeah, lets face it, the disk was crap, they only made it for the frame.

correct.. they used the mower blade from the S6 final..

Yet disabling a weapon and completely picking up an opponent counts as less then shoving one into the wall..

Badnik96 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM »

I have no problems with Tornado's frame except that yeah, it was Mentorn's fault for making the size limit bigger than the pit. Silly Mentorn, screwups are for kids! [/endthread]

G.K. · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:22:08 AM »

Quote from: Badnik96 on February 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM

I have no problems with Tornado's frame except that yeah, it was Mentorn's fault for making the size limit bigger than the pit. Silly Mentorn, screwups are for kids! [/endthread]

^^This^^

MAJR · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:00:58 AM »

The thing is that, as far as the UK wars went, Tornado only used that cage in fights against Razer. They claimed it was an anti-pit mechanism but because it only saw the light of day in matches against Razer that argument was suspect. If it was an anti-pit mechanism it should have been a perminent part of its machine and not something that could attatched to it depending on the opponant.

Whoever made the rules for Robot Wars messed up because Tornado's cage was not playing fair. It put the main body of the machine out of Razer's reach and made it pretty much impossible for it to be pitted and it left a sour taste in the mouths of most of the audience who had never seen Tornado use the cage outside of the Razer fight. The rule-makers should have demanded it be a perminent part of the machine and that it be small enough so that it could still be pitted but because they didn't the cage wasn't against the rules but certainly seemed to be foul play.

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:04:13 AM »

Quote from: MAJR on April 19, 2011, 05:00:58 AM

The thing is that, as far as the UK wars went, Tornado only used that cage in fights against Razer. They claimed it was an anti-pit mechanism but because it only saw the light of day in matches against Razer that argument was suspect. If it was an anti-pit mechanism it should have been a perminent part of its machine and not something that could attatched to it depending on the opponant.

Whoever made the rules for Robot Wars messed up because Tornado's cage was not playing fair. It put the main body of the machine out of Razer's reach and made it pretty much impossible for it to be pitted and it left a sour taste in the mouths of most of the audience who had never seen Tornado use the cage outside of the Razer fight. The rule-makers should have demanded it be a perminent part of the machine and that it be small enough so that it could still be pitted but because they didn't the cage wasn't against the rules but certainly seemed to be foul play.

1. Welcome to GTM.
2. Tornado never claimed it to be an anti-pit device, more a support for the large horizontal disc.
3. They are allowed interchangeable weapons, in the fight Razer added a special hook to their beak to try and grab tornado.
4. The max size for a bot was bigger than the pit, which was a muck up but made Tornado legal.

FOTEPX · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:07:43 AM »

Found a flaw. In the RFA rules, it says if your going to have interchangeable weapons, your bot is weighed with the heaviest additions possible.

Tornado with the shell weighed 102KG. Thus, BY RULE, it should have been disqualified.

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:08:59 AM »

Quote from: FOTEPX on April 19, 2011, 05:07:43 AM

Found a flaw. In the RFA rules, it says if your going to have interchangeable weapons, your bot is weighed with the heaviest additions possible.

Tornado with the shell weighed 102KG. Thus, BY RULE, it should have been disqualified.

Yeah, not the same thing...

SKBT · « **Reply #33 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:46:32 AM »

Quote from: SKBT on January 30, 2011, 05:39:13 PM

I've got no problems with Tornado's cage. I have the same thing for my bot and about 3 other configurations. Sawbot De-fence, Crusher web, thicker back armor that can be removed depending on who I fight, and some other stuff I don't want to give away yet. :P

Here is a

I don't have picture of my anti crusher web handy or it on my bot but it's almost identical to Tornados web sin size and materials its made of.

My thoughts about this whole thing... If you spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on something and there is an easy way to prevent it from being destroyed... do it.

I still stand by this...

haz · « **Reply #34 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:14:44 AM »

my opinions on this.
you have to take it for what it is, a tv show none of it is realy that serious and anyway, its not like thats the only thing that razer had the chance to win, it won loads of awards and the first world championship.
im kind of glad tornado won, it showed that good driving can be just as good as a destructive wepon.
what does anoy me is razer fanboys who will just sling abuse at tornado and their team. it anoys me even more when these useless pricks say that tornado destroyed robot wars and ruined it, if anything ruined robot wars it was bloody mentorn.
i think in some peoples minds it was all real. take it for what it is.
i like tornado
i like razer
i like both teams
i hate fanboys

rant over

Enigm@ · « **Reply #35 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:27:03 AM »

Robot Wars's later years were rigged, let's just agree on that.
Also:
Surgeon General > Tornado

haz · « **Reply #36 on:** April 19, 2011, 06:33:39 AM »

you can't compare uk and us robots propperly as they are designed for vey different styles of combat.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #37 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:35:41 AM »

Robot Wars was entertainment before competition..

So you may as well just enjoy it the same way..

Cant change the results now..

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:51:08 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo on April 19, 2011, 07:35:41 AM

Robot Wars was entertainment before competition..

So you may as well just enjoy it the same way..

Cant change the results now..

Precisely- even though Cassius II going into the pit whilst fighting Pussycat saddened me, I can at least realise that results can't be changed, and it was a good showcase of the capabilities of two great machines.

NFX · « **Reply #39 on:** April 19, 2011, 08:05:43 AM »

Quote from: GoldenFox93 on April 19, 2011, 07:51:08 AM

Precisely- even though Cassius II going into the pit whilst fighting Pussycat saddened me, I can at least realise that results can't be changed, and it was a good showcase of the capabilities of two great machines.

And how important good driving is in a fight. If you've got an extremely destructive robot, but are totally unable to actually get at the opponent with it, then you're kinda stuffed.