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Title: Most Hated Robots
Post by: FOTEPX on August 22, 2010, 03:54:02 AM
What are your TOP 5 most hated robots of all time? You don't need reasons, just post away.

5. Aggrobot (For unfairly beating Razer in Series 3 and not doing anything otherwise.)
4. 101 (Horribly slow, Weapon of a Lightweight, and easy to kill.)
3. Chassius Chrome (Looked like crap, acted like crap, was crap. Nuff said.)
2. Tornado (The SCAFFOLDING INCIDENT)
1. Vercingetorix/Hydra (How much more of a Mortis clone can you possibly BE!?)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 04:25:13 AM
2. Tornado (The SCAFFOLDING INCIDENT)

Why does that make you hate it? Do you think it cheated?

5. Aggrobot (For unfairly beating Razer in Series 3)

How the heck is how Aggrobot won unfairly beating Razer?

You seem to be a Razer fanboy. I hope that is not the case.

My thoughts on a general list of robots that people will say (I only personally hate one of these):

*Razer
*Tornado
*Typhoon
*Storm II
*Tough As Nails



My Hated Robots:
*Razer

Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Stagfish on August 22, 2010, 04:39:17 AM
101 was no way slow FOTEPX, it was pretty fast.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: FOTEPX on August 22, 2010, 04:50:39 AM
Yes, but did it do any damage? NO.
Could it easily be beaten? YES.
Would it get trashed in RR? YES.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Pwnator on August 22, 2010, 05:03:06 AM
Most of these aren't even valid reasons for hating the bots (but I do have to agree on Hydra).
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Stagfish on August 22, 2010, 05:03:22 AM
Yes, but did it do any damage? NO.
Could it easily be beaten? YES. no, how did it get to the semi finals then :P
Would it get trashed in RR? YES. no
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 05:08:08 AM
It wouldn't get trashed (Unless it faced Thor, Terrorhurtz or Scorpion). It would get BEATEN though. There's a difference FOTEPX.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 05:19:29 AM
5. Panic Attack (Rammer with Lifter = BORING!)
4. Pussycat (Very Very annoyng...)
3. Typhoon (Destructive, but Unfair)
2. Storm II (Too Fast, Too Annoying)
1. Razer  (Most Boring Robot IMO.)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on August 22, 2010, 05:21:07 AM
as much as I love Razer it lost fair and square to Aggrobot

I dislike Tornado number 1 as there was so many times things were tipped intentionally in there favor and they didn't bother with it.. I would feel really ill if I beat another robot when the pit was raised up for me, etc  :rolleyes:

on an interesting note, the frame tactic, going back and reviewing the footage of the S6 finals I think it was another Tornado screw job like when it faced Storm 2

reasoning... Craig spoke about that frame and said something along the lines of "being small enough to fit in the pit still" and he got the reply "we built it to the max size they would let us which is much bigger then the pit" so apparently the rules Craig knows and the ones Tornado were told were to different things  :rolleyes:

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but that aside I can only see problems coming out of this thread.. so keep it clean and just accept what others say and dont let me catch you fighting about it.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Velocity EVO on August 22, 2010, 05:23:56 AM
Typhoon 2 (Cos i think they intentionally destroyed the wall and they lied in the interview after beating Storm 2 cos Mentorn let them FIX the robot and didnt let Storm 2 have the same treatment)

Sir Chromalot (Their robots were a complete joke. But they were great entertainment though)

Tornado (Scaffolding incedent and how the team were rather unsporting when losing to razer in the european championship)

Razer (Every fight that involved Razer and Behemoth i think was rigged. world champs final. Razer was over for 54 seconds. Yet won Southern annihalator Razer on its side for more than a minute. All Stars around 40 seconds)

More to come. Just cant think of anymore at the moment
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
reasoning... Craig spoke about that frame and said something along the lines of "being small enough to fit in the pit still" and he got the reply "we built it to the max size they would let us which is much bigger then the pit" so apparently the rules Craig knows and the ones Tornado were told were to different things 

Tornado are correct in this instance. The frame was perfectly legal size wize and in every other way.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 05:36:02 AM
Oh BTW, I hate Season 6 Tornado! It was so poor bot, Razer should have won the battle. :mad:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 05:36:46 AM
Could you elaborate?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 05:37:25 AM
Well, it was too big and didn't drop to pit...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 05:42:53 AM
It was not too big. What give you that idea?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Velocity EVO on August 22, 2010, 05:44:47 AM
They did claim it to be an anti-pit device. basically it was impossible to immobilize it or pit it or anything. Thats being called cowards. But believe it or not i dont really care cos its your opinion this is mine and its here to stay.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 05:49:13 AM
It was not too big. What give you that idea?
Dunno... Remember, That Razer's Crusher didn't Reach Tornado's Chassis.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 05:58:00 AM
It did. But your argument doesn't make it illegal in any way.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 05:59:21 AM
It did. But your argument doesn't make it illegal in any way.
Razer still beat Tornado IMO.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 06:02:43 AM
That's perfectly fine and I respect your opinion, but it's not what your original claim was.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: cephalopod on August 22, 2010, 06:05:14 AM
I hate Tornado for that tactic, however, by using it, they DID win - fairly.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Velocity EVO on August 22, 2010, 06:06:25 AM
GK were you talking to me or Jonzu.

Anyways. Shall we move on from tornado before we rip each others heads off
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 06:07:39 AM
Yup. I hated Panic Attack, because it was boring. It had Lifter, which didn't do any effect or flip opponents.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 22, 2010, 06:08:14 AM
Jonzu.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 06:08:55 AM
wat
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Velocity EVO on August 22, 2010, 06:14:05 AM
I did not like Gravedigger. It was pretty much a Cassius rip-off. Though they did make it to the semi's. I also dont like them cos they beat Mortis, my fave robot. The armour. What the heck was it made of? it got damaged easily.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: cephalopod on August 22, 2010, 06:18:11 AM
Panic Attack was a legend! XD Kim's driving was amazing. If PA is boring, then I hate to see people's opinions on Storm II etc.

Anyway. I don't like Tornado. As I think I've probably made clear. :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Thyrus on August 22, 2010, 06:23:45 AM
I liked almost every Robot.
Why do so many people hat clones? Why not taking a weaponery of a bot the was succesfull and try to improve it?So Axe Awe,Iron Awe, Comengetorix and Hydra are clones of Mortis. Firestorm, Gravedigger, UFO and Mute are clones of Cassius. M2, Atomic, Gravity, Wheely Big Cheese, Dantomkia, Iron Awe, Kronic the Wedgehog, Prizephita, Thermidor and all the others are clones of Chaos 2.

The one bot I hate is Thyphoon 2 since it was overpowerd for the Robot Wars TV SHOW
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 22, 2010, 06:26:03 AM
I liked Earlier version of Tornado. It was Fast, Invertible & Powerful.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on August 22, 2010, 06:36:22 AM

for the tornado topic.. one thing I am sure of.. it would have been a different story if RW allowed Warhead to enter :P I would have loved to see it compete in the UK.


Anyways. Shall we move on from tornado before we rip each others heads off


yes there is no point debating since its 7 years in the past :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: SKBT on August 22, 2010, 07:43:39 AM
I don't understand the problem with Tornado's extra armor used against Razer.  As long as it is under the weight limit in its heaviest configuration and safe enough for the arena to contain it there is no reason a robot should be barred from compitition. It may seem "cheap" to some people that Tornado was allowed to change mid compitition but that is perfectly legal. There is no rule that says you aren't allowed to change your bot. Just watch Wedge of Doom VS Code Black and then another fight with wedge of doom. I don't see anyone complaining about that when WoD changed his wedge.


If it means anything to you guys I will be running interchangable armor next event I fight at.     
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on August 22, 2010, 07:57:41 AM
I feel it ruined the spirit of competition myself.... but obviously its related to RW's having stupid flaws in there rules which also brings my point of very obvious rigging in RW.. no doubt,


but its a production television show not actual competition so just enjoy the drama for what it is because thats why its there, if you want straight up fighting watch battlebots imo.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on August 25, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
My least favourite is either the gold panic attack for sheer dissapointment value, or sir chromalot.

I mean i remember at the time it being in a lot of battles and it was useless in every one.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on August 25, 2010, 05:27:44 PM
Welcome to the forums Scorpion!  :welcome
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Somebody on August 25, 2010, 08:42:37 PM
Hey welcome!
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Badnik96 on August 25, 2010, 11:51:29 PM
What they should have done for Robot Wars is that if a bot couldn't actually fall into the pit then it was disqualified. I mean REALLY.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Hydro on August 26, 2010, 12:05:50 AM
I hate rogue drones. So friggen annoying. It's almost a chore to kill them.



AND THEY SPROUT UP LIKE WEEDS
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on August 26, 2010, 04:23:22 AM
What they should have done for Robot Wars is that if a bot couldn't actually fall into the pit then it was disqualified. I mean REALLY.

well this comes to my point I made earlier.. Craig was under the impression they had to fit in the pit while Tornado said "they allowed that size"

if you ask me.. with RW's known rigging I say they stretched the rules for it.. most likly to create more drama (its a TV show after all) otherwise the final would have been a win for razer straight away which would have been as exciting as Bigger Brother v Razer in series 5 with Bigger Brother having mass damage.   
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 26, 2010, 04:56:32 AM
There WAS a size limit, and Tornado WAS within it.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on August 26, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
There WAS a size limit, and Tornado WAS within it.
^See?^
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on August 26, 2010, 05:17:58 AM
There WAS a size limit, and Tornado WAS within it.

no need to caps at me I can read fine :P

I understand you feel strongly about that ? (I also understand you hate razer) but it seems odd to me when a host for 5 years doesn't know the rules to the show ? I do feel that there is a plausibility to what I said due to obvious tainting the show has had before..

im not saying I am positive because it could be an easy flaw in the ruleset just giving food for thought, I love robot wars having grown up with them but there is a lot of changing and stretching due to it intentionally being TV over a sport
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on August 26, 2010, 05:21:17 AM
im not saying I am positive because it could be an easy flaw in the ruleset just giving food for thought, I love robot wars having grown up with them but there is a lot of changing and stretching due to it intentionally being TV over a sport

Agreed

There WAS a size limit, and Tornado WAS within it.

no need to caps at me I can read fine :P

touché

I understand you feel strongly about that

Not really, just making sure the facts are out there.

I also understand you hate razer

Whatever gave you that idea? :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 24, 2010, 01:54:28 PM
Yup. I hated Panic Attack, because it was boring. It had Lifter, which didn't do any effect or flip opponents.
You did not just insult Panic Attack  :rage
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on September 24, 2010, 02:01:42 PM
Yup. I hated Panic Attack, because it was boring. It had Lifter, which didn't do any effect or flip opponents.
You did not just insult Panic Attack  :rage
I didn't see that first time i posted here!

Anyway, P.A=Chaos 2=Razer=Hypno-disk=Tornado best not bring that up again  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 24, 2010, 02:04:07 PM
Good point there Scorpion  :P

Anyway...anyone who's read some previous comments will probably know who my least favourite robot is...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on September 24, 2010, 02:19:52 PM
5. Panic Attack (Rammer with Lifter = BORING!)
4. Pussycat (Very Very annoyng...)
3. Typhoon (Destructive, but Unfair)
2. Storm II (Too Fast, Too Annoying)
1. Razer  (Most Boring Robot IMO.)
Wow THOSE are your most hated bots!

P.A = My Favourite robot of them all
Pussycat = really cool design and really fun to watch
Typhoon = shouldn't have won season 7 but was still very cool
Storm II = brilliant, even if it didn't have a weapon it still caused havok
Razer = Erm i really liked razer, but i thought that nobody in the world didn't like razer untill this thread.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 24, 2010, 02:23:54 PM
Those...are...Jonzu's...most hated bots. Apart from Typhoon 2....right.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go to uh...the travel agent. To book a holiday in Finland.

*Sharpens axe and books flight to Finland*
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on September 24, 2010, 08:58:59 PM
Razer = Erm i really liked razer, but i thought that nobody in the world didn't like razer untill this thread.

it actually is very controversial... I personally love Razer, the first ever Robot Wars match I ever saw was Razer vs Techno-Lease
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Somebody on September 24, 2010, 09:57:01 PM
I hate the judges for series 7 finals.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on September 24, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
its not entirely on topic.. but yes :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on September 25, 2010, 04:09:36 AM
Razer = Erm i really liked razer, but i thought that nobody in the world didn't like razer untill this thread.

it actually is very controversial... I personally love Razer, the first ever Robot Wars match I ever saw was Razer vs Techno-Lease
Well after the hour long conversation with about 20 people i had a few weeks back at school no-one said they didn't like razer.

They all seemed to love razer and hypno-disk for destruction and P.A for being the coolest and were kind of indiferent to chaos 2 and tornado.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on September 25, 2010, 04:19:00 AM
Oh no... My best friend will kill me... :'(
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 25, 2010, 07:28:59 AM
Oh no... My best friend will kill me... :'(
No, I just want to play Hospitals with you...
 
 
...starting with an Axe Penectomy  :evilsmile:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on September 25, 2010, 07:39:19 AM
*Sharpens axe and books flight to Finland*

Sharpened Axes for decapitating and nail clippers are no longer permitted in carry on baggage
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on September 25, 2010, 07:41:57 AM
*Sharpens axe and books flight to Finland*

Sharpened Axes for decapitating and nail clippers are no longer permitted in carry on baggage
Well, there's always the hold and stuff to declare.
 
Then Jonzu, I hope you can run  :evilsmile:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: h8tr13 on September 28, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
1. Vercingetorix/Hydra (How much more of a Mortis clone can you possibly BE!?)

Vercingetorix Was Just Born Awful, Hydra Is Actually Alot More Independant Than Mortis Than When It First Came Out...

(also, you're talking to hydra's owner. be careful next time :))


Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Enigm@ on October 04, 2010, 06:18:43 AM
I don't hate many british 'bots, but the one I hate the most is Razer. Always destroyed my favourite 'bots. But his Battlebots version, Warhead, was actually pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Resetti's Replicas on October 04, 2010, 10:17:44 AM
Rhino Halon, thread over.
 
I'll elaborate.  Its weapon was halon gas, a gas that causes internal combustion engines to stall. This was back in 1997, when most robots did infact use internal combustion engines.  I'll concede that it only beat one robot (The Scorpion), but still, I can think of no cheaper tactic than beating a robot without even touching it.
 
 
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 04, 2010, 11:25:02 AM
it probally wouldnt be the only reason people didnt like it...Halon Gas can be rather dangerous to be pumping into an enclosed room.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Stagfish on October 04, 2010, 11:25:29 AM
I don't hate many british 'bots, but the one I hate the most is Razer. Always destroyed my favourite 'bots. But his Battlebots version, Warhead, was actually pretty awesome.

I have to agree with you completely.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 04, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
5. Panic Attack (Rammer with Lifter = BORING!)
4. Pussycat (Very Very annoyng...)
3. Typhoon (Destructive, but Unfair)
2. Storm II (Too Fast, Too Annoying)
1. Razer  (Most Boring Robot IMO.)
Ah, just saw this again. It's reminded me...
 
 
*Arrives in Tampere, and unsheathes axe again*
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on October 05, 2010, 12:53:56 AM
GF, You have to travel 100km's to North-East. Then you find Jämsä. And me. :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 07:33:39 AM
Panic Attack was awesome!
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on October 05, 2010, 07:43:49 AM
Boring.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Naryar on October 05, 2010, 07:47:49 AM
It's a lifter. Very few lifters are not boring.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Thyrus on October 05, 2010, 07:51:19 AM
So you guys just like spinners? Yeah true: Spinners arn`t boring. They got the one and only tactic: "I got  a spinning disc/bar and just drive into the opponent". That`s totaly not boring. Fu*k driving skills of a lifterbotdriver!
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on October 05, 2010, 07:53:03 AM
I liek Flippers.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 07:55:04 AM
Kim Daives was a great driver, you've gotta admit.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Pwnator on October 05, 2010, 07:58:26 AM
Personally, I preferred Scallywag over Panic Attack, but as far as I remember, I still couldn't recall any instance of PA being 'boring'. You can't expect IRL combat to be like RA2, where AC vs. AC leads to nearly 72 maces scattered around the arena.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Thyrus on October 05, 2010, 07:59:19 AM
but you guys know that sarcasm filled my post?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 05, 2010, 08:16:12 AM
Very few lifters are not boring.

Storm 2 was a lifter...... and very fast/ powerful rammer but thats beside the point :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Naryar on October 05, 2010, 08:20:30 AM
Very few lifters are not boring.

Storm 2 was a lifter...... and very fast/ powerful rammer but thats beside the point :P

Storm 2 mostly used his drive rather than weapon for fighting his opponents... that's a rammer for you.

And hence "very few" I count Biohazard notably in the very few.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Pwnator on October 05, 2010, 08:22:57 AM
but you guys know that sarcasm filled my post?

Yeah. :P
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Naryar on October 05, 2010, 08:27:08 AM
but you guys know that sarcasm filled my post?

NO WAI ! Thyrus is using sarcasm ??? That totally IS UNHEARD OF :O
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Thyrus on October 05, 2010, 09:22:04 AM
just saying cause NateF doesn`t seems to know
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 05, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
boring if different with viewing standpoint and a controlling standpoint

Spinners...

fast weapons, lots of destruction, flying parts, sometimes sparks, etc makes it great from a viewers standpoint

basic predictable strategy or avoid, hit, avoid, hit makes it boring from a controlling standpoint

personally I <3 Watching and Controlling them :P

 
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
Boring.
Heck, it was better than Steel Avenger at least!
 
Well, Panic Attack didn't need feather dusters to win fights against flippers  :yaya)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on October 05, 2010, 11:30:25 AM
boring if different with viewing standpoint and a controlling standpoint

Spinners...

fast weapons, lots of destruction, flying parts, sometimes sparks, etc makes it great from a viewers standpoint

basic predictable strategy or avoid, hit, avoid, hit makes it boring from a controlling standpoint

personally I <3 Watching and Controlling them :P

 
Flippers FTW!
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 11:35:54 AM
boring if different with viewing standpoint and a controlling standpoint

Spinners...

fast weapons, lots of destruction, flying parts, sometimes sparks, etc makes it great from a viewers standpoint

basic predictable strategy or avoid, hit, avoid, hit makes it boring from a controlling standpoint

personally I <3 Watching and Controlling them :P

 
Flippers FTW!

I like almost all kinds...except for grabbers that don't do damage.
 
Cheap as Chips, I'm looking at you.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 05, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 11:39:09 AM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
But in real life, lifters can do damage under certain circumstances...did you see The Big Cheese vs Shrapnel?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 05, 2010, 11:44:59 AM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
But in real life, lifters can do damage under certain circumstances...did you see The Big Cheese vs Shrapnel?
Well i have now.
Also, I can distinctly remember a match where P.A ripped off either one of shunt's or sgt bash's tires.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
But in real life, lifters can do damage under certain circumstances...did you see The Big Cheese vs Shrapnel?
Well i have now.
Also, I can distinctly remember a match where P.A ripped off either one of shunt's or sgt bash's tires.
It also knocked off Matilda's shell in its fight against Axios (Flipping her over as well), and knocked out Sgt Bash's saw motor in its qualifying battle against Whirling Dervish in Series 2.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 05, 2010, 12:10:44 PM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
But in real life, lifters can do damage under certain circumstances...did you see The Big Cheese vs Shrapnel?
Well i have now.
Also, I can distinctly remember a match where P.A ripped off either one of shunt's or sgt bash's tires.
It also knocked off Matilda's shell in its fight against Axios (Flipping her over as well), and broke Sgt Bash's saw in its qualifying battle against Whirling Dervish in Series 2.
Yet more reasons to why P.A is awesome
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 12:14:46 PM
Panic Attack did do damage...

...in dsl atleast  ;)
But in real life, lifters can do damage under certain circumstances...did you see The Big Cheese vs Shrapnel?
Well i have now.
Also, I can distinctly remember a match where P.A ripped off either one of shunt's or sgt bash's tires.
It also knocked off Matilda's shell in its fight against Axios (Flipping her over as well), and broke Sgt Bash's saw in its qualifying battle against Whirling Dervish in Series 2.
Yet more reasons to why P.A is awesome
And why it doesn't break studio lights if it goes OOTA   :yaya)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 03:38:53 PM
just saying cause NateF doesn`t seems to know


I was directing my comment towards Jonzu.


Also, I like many types of bots, except for "Cheap as Chips"!
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 03:41:44 PM
just saying cause NateF doesn`t seems to know


I was directing my comment towards Jonzu.


Also, I like many types of bots, except for "Cheap as Chips"!
Yes! You agree, there is a God!   :approve:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on October 05, 2010, 03:44:46 PM
Why do you guys have to be so narrow minded about that?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 03:45:07 PM
I hated Napalm, too.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 05, 2010, 03:48:38 PM
I hated Napalm, too.
Napalm was useless, it basically just tickled the robots.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 03:51:25 PM
Others:

Mousetrap & Sir Chromealot: Made it by luck.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 05, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Others:

Mousetrap & Sir Chromealot: Made it by luck.
I liked mousetrap (I was gonna enter it for RW2) it was unique, atleast a character.

Sir chromalot was crap though.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 04:07:53 PM
Others:

Mousetrap & Sir Chromealot: Made it by luck.
Admittedly, I liked Mousetrap. Could have done with a srimech, though.
 
But one that was very bad, as Sonny pointed out earlier, was Warhog.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Badnik96 on October 05, 2010, 04:32:45 PM
I also like Mousetrap. Looked cool. I do NOT like Biohazard though. I hate how they won every season by tipping everything onto a wall and into the hazards >=(
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
Biohazard was another well-made bot with a boring tactic.

You want horrible bots

Battlebots - Abattoir (I think I mentioned this bot before)
Robot Wars - The Creature, 3 Stegs to Heaven

I'll mention more when I remember
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Well, Napalm was decent enough in Series 2, but it quickly became redundant later on.
 
 
Now TAN? Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber. Just ask Gravity and Disc-O-Inferno. Never did any damage either, come to mention it.
 
And we could've had Gravity in the Third World Championship, but noooo.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: lloopp D lloopp on October 05, 2010, 04:39:49 PM
Immortalis.

What were they thinking?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 04:43:24 PM
Immortalis.

What were they thinking?
"It was Piece de Resistance, and now it's a piece of scrap"
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 04:44:02 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Well, Napalm was decent enough in Series 2, but it quickly became redundant later on.
 
 
Now TAN? Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber. Just ask Gravity and Disc-O-Inferno. Never did any damage either, come to mention it.
 
And we could've had Gravity in the Third World Championship, but noooo.

Well yeah, Napalm was good in the first few seasons but as bots were getting better and destructive, they just stayed in the same place.
 
Another bot I disliked was S.L.A.M. (BattleBots Las Vegas 1999 version). Its weakness was a HUUGE downfall and whoever saw this event knows what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 04:46:36 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Well, Napalm was decent enough in Series 2, but it quickly became redundant later on.
 
 
Now TAN? Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber. Just ask Gravity and Disc-O-Inferno. Never did any damage either, come to mention it.
 
And we could've had Gravity in the Third World Championship, but noooo.

Well yeah, Napalm was good in the first few seasons but as bots were getting better and destructive, they just stayed in the same place.
A little bit like Chaos 2, almost. The key difference being that Chaos 2 was amazing   :approve:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 04:54:18 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Well, Napalm was decent enough in Series 2, but it quickly became redundant later on.
 
 
Now TAN? Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber. Just ask Gravity and Disc-O-Inferno. Never did any damage either, come to mention it.
 
And we could've had Gravity in the Third World Championship, but noooo.

Well yeah, Napalm was good in the first few seasons but as bots were getting better and destructive, they just stayed in the same place.
A little bit like Chaos 2, almost. The key difference being that Chaos 2 was amazing   :approve:
Chaos 2 were good, but should've done some modifications cause as soon as everyone started using Co2 flippers, Chaos 2 were starting to be no better than the rest of the flippers. Chaos 2 will always be epic though.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 05, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
My thoughts on Tough as Nails

His tactic on just dumping a bot down the pit was boring, but that got it far in the competition, everyone wants to win (unless you build a bot like Napalm, that bot screamed "destroy me"). I think TAN's design was smart and well made if you ignore the exposed back.
Well, Napalm was decent enough in Series 2, but it quickly became redundant later on.
 
 
Now TAN? Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber. Just ask Gravity and Disc-O-Inferno. Never did any damage either, come to mention it.
 
And we could've had Gravity in the Third World Championship, but noooo.

Well yeah, Napalm was good in the first few seasons but as bots were getting better and destructive, they just stayed in the same place.
A little bit like Chaos 2, almost. The key difference being that Chaos 2 was amazing   :approve:
Chaos 2 were good, but should've done some modifications cause as soon as everyone started using Co2 flippers, Chaos 2 were starting to be no better than the rest of the flippers. Chaos 2 will always be epic though.
Yeah...sadly it did get a bit outclassed later in life. But it will always have that unmatched RW 20-match winning streak, and being the first robot to put another out of the arena  :mrgreen:
 
And in contrast, other than the Best Newcomer award in Series 6, what did Dantomkia win in comparison? (Just an example  ;) )
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 05:08:01 PM
Yeah...sadly it did get a bit outclassed later in life. But it will always have that unmatched RW 20-match winning streak, and being the first robot to put another out of the arena  :mrgreen:
 
And in contrast, other than the Best Newcomer award in Series 6, what did Dantomkia win in comparison? (Just an example  ;) )
True, I lol'd when I saw Chaos 2 go OOTA.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 05, 2010, 06:32:25 PM
How do you guys feel about Fat Boy Tin? For I while, I wanted to find the match it was in after seeing a picture in a book.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 05, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
Fat Boy Tin looked cool, but wasn't effective.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Jonzu95 on October 06, 2010, 02:32:16 AM
Granny's Revenge... :laughing
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Naryar on October 06, 2010, 02:56:05 AM
Its tactics were what got me most. What excitement its battles had before were quickly turned into boring, predictable scaled-up games of UFO Grabber.

What is the difference between this and razer ?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on October 06, 2010, 03:14:00 AM
Why you guys hatin' on TaN? It's basically the most intelligently designed robot ever, and absolutely beautiful to watch in battle. #1 on my list of all-time favourites.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 06, 2010, 08:30:59 AM
though I don't like it you cant blame pit dumping on TaN.. its RW fault for adding a pit button.. should have kept the series 4 system when it opens after a robot is defeated IMO

TaN were just exploiting the arena to great success  :gawe:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: G.K. on October 06, 2010, 10:35:54 AM
Why you guys hatin' on TaN? It's basically the most intelligently designed robot ever, and absolutely beautiful to watch in battle.

QFT^Over 9000

Thanks R0B0.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: madman3 on October 06, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
Chaos 2 sucked. I started hating it as soon as it beat Stinger, which was my favorite bot at the time. It was a good bot at the time but as soon as they got a Full Pressure flipper they started failing.
I also hated Gemini. They were interesting but were dull after a while (thank you Reactor 2)
Then after a while I hated Wild Thing for beating Prizephita.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 06, 2010, 11:39:23 AM
Yeah...sadly it did get a bit outclassed later in life. But it will always have that unmatched RW 20-match winning streak, and being the first robot to put another out of the arena  :mrgreen:
 
And in contrast, other than the Best Newcomer award in Series 6, what did Dantomkia win in comparison? (Just an example  ;) )
True, I lol'd when I saw Chaos 2 go OOTA.
I just switched off the TV and had a bit of a Heroic BSOD moment   :(
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 06, 2010, 11:53:40 PM
I lol'd too.. but I loved DanTomKia  :gawe:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 07, 2010, 01:12:48 AM
I lol'd too.. but I loved DanTomKia  :gawe:
Dantomkia was a cool design, that's why everyone forgave it for OOTAing everyones childhood favourites.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 07, 2010, 07:25:21 AM
Like Hypno-Disc and Behemoth...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 07, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
Chaos 2, Panic Attack...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 07, 2010, 02:39:13 PM
King B Powerworks...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 07, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
King B Powerworks...
Well, that's a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 07, 2010, 02:52:13 PM
It was still a good bot IMO.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 07, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
It was still a good bot IMO.
Yeah it was.
Just not a crow favourite like any of the aforementioned robots.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 07, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
It was still a good bot IMO.
Yeah it was.
Just not a crow favourite like any of the aforementioned robots.
Well, it was the only one named after a character from The Magic Roundabout.
 
Apart from Ruf Ruf Dougal, maybe. But that sucked.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: madman3 on October 07, 2010, 03:02:54 PM
Oh. I hate Dantomkia. It had a design full of gimmicks and got outwedged (shame on them for not having a snapper wedge :P)
I also hate:
Hammer and Tong
Wild Thing (already mentioned but is my no. 1 least favourite bot)
Mace 2
Behemoth
Pussycat
Razer (kind of. I used to like razor but it's got boring)

My favourite bots are:
Robochicken
Bulldog Breed
Barberous 2
and Tetanus Booster.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 07, 2010, 03:07:17 PM
Oh. I hate Dantomkia. It had a design full of gimmicks and got outwedged (shame on them for not having a snapper wedge :P)
I also hate:
Hammer and Tong
Wild Thing (already mentioned but is my no. 1 least favourite bot)
Mace 2
Behemoth
Pussycat
Razer (kind of. I used to like razor but it's got boring)

My favourite bots are:
Robochicken
Bulldog Breed
Barberous 2
and Tetanus Booster.
Do you just hate all the popular robots?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 07, 2010, 04:25:18 PM
Oh. I hate Dantomkia. It had a design full of gimmicks and got outwedged (shame on them for not having a snapper wedge :P)
I also hate:
Hammer and Tong
Wild Thing (already mentioned but is my no. 1 least favourite bot)
Mace 2
Behemoth
Pussycat
Razer (kind of. I used to like razor but it's got boring)

My favourite bots are:
Robochicken
Bulldog Breed
Barberous 2
and Tetanus Booster.
Do you just hate all the popular robots?
Seems to be a general rule, really. Other than Cassius II, most of the ones I like seem to be very well-known.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 07, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
LOL Hammer and Tong suuuuuuuckeeeeeeeeed...
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Natef on October 07, 2010, 08:31:05 PM
Why Behemoth?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 08, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
Just had a moment of RW Extreme Fridge Logic.

During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 08, 2010, 10:44:27 AM
Just had a moment of RW Extreme Fridge Logic.

During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.
It pretty much worked thoguh didn't it.

They apparently had to work on chaos 2 a lot to get it working again
why they didn't buid a chaos 3 at this time i will never know.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 08, 2010, 10:50:34 AM
Just had a moment of RW Extreme Fridge Logic.

During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.
It pretty much worked thoguh didn't it.

They apparently had to work on chaos 2 a lot to get it working again
why they didn't buid a chaos 3 at this time i will never know.
What worked? Surely they could've been able to tell Chaos 2 was immobilised instead of teaming up with everyone to try and utterly destroy it after immobilisation.
 
And yes, after that bout, it underwent a massive internal overhaul to get it working for displays again, but not for actual battles.
Likewise, in Series 7, the main teams and captains of the Robot Wars "Superbots" (EG. Chaos 2, HypnoDisc, Razer) were taking a break that year to allow some new teams a chance, and also to dedicate time to improving their robots.
I heard there was a HypnoDisc v2 in the works until RW was cancelled.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 08, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.

there was no agreement in that match to leave the opponent if the other had won... there was for the series 4 match but Pussycat continued the attack after they were beaten.. that was the problem.  ;)

also the career ending damage to Chaos 2 was done by Psycho, not Razer from what I heard

also its Hypnodisc 4 that was in the works for Series 8 :P

1 = S3
2 = S4/S5
3 = S6/ E2 (the unreliable one)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: NFX on October 08, 2010, 10:58:36 AM
I thought it was just a slightly tweaked version of Hypnodisc that went through the series. It was Pussycat 2 in the first Extreme, but everyone still called it Pussycat.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Scorpion on October 08, 2010, 10:59:12 AM
During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.

there was no agreement in that match to leave the opponent if the other had won... there was for the series 4 match but Pussycat continued the attack after they were beaten.. that was the problem.  ;)

also the career ending damage to Chaos 2 was done by Psycho, not Razer from what I heard

also its Hypnodisc 4 that was in the works for Series 8 :P

1 = S3
2 = S4/S5
3 = S6/ E2 (the unreliable one)
What happened to hypno-disk anyway, I've not heard much about it being in demonstrations TBH.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 08, 2010, 11:02:27 AM
During that battle between Chaos 2, 13 Black and Razer (Arguably a dethroning moment of suck for both Chaos 2 and Razer), I noticed that after Chaos 2 broke down, Razer kept attacking it after it was immobilised to try and destroy it...


...the very same thing they were bitching about in Series 4!  Hypocrites.
also the career ending damage to Chaos 2 was done by Psycho, not Razer from what I heard
They all chipped in, really. 13 Black immobilised it, Razer then attacked it from behind repeatedly, 13 Black came in and tried to hit it again, and then it was flipped on the floor flipper, Mr Psycho hammered it repeatedly, crushed its chassis, carried it around the arena, and then pitted it.
 
Disproportionate retribution   :FFFUUU
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 08, 2010, 11:07:38 AM
I thought it was just a slightly tweaked version of Hypnodisc that went through the series.

nope 1 and 2 were completely different machines (there is a picture of them together in there archived site)

2 was upgraded due to the larger weight limit in S5

3 was 2's chassis IIRC but all the electronics were new and so was the disc.


in case you haven't figured out Hypnodisc is in fact my favorite all time robot.. I know it quite well  :gawe: (it was also a heavy contributor to the inspiration for Backlash)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on October 09, 2010, 03:04:10 AM
I don't like hypnodisc

If hypnodisc was never built, then 360 would never have been built either
Saying that, I have beat 360 but never lost to it, but 360 did cause damage that took about a month to repair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOC3bcZJYnI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOC3bcZJYnI#)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: madman3 on October 09, 2010, 03:09:02 AM
That was pretty harsh. Impressive how it went out though.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 09, 2010, 06:36:55 AM
I don't like hypnodisc

If hypnodisc was never built, then 360 would never have been built either
Saying that, I have beat 360 but never lost to it, but 360 did cause damage that took about a month to repair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOC3bcZJYnI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOC3bcZJYnI#)
Nice work on beating that beast, though  :approve:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 09, 2010, 08:57:23 AM
360 = epic win with awesomesauce on top  :gawe:

it was epically unlucky to go out like that
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on October 09, 2010, 09:00:44 AM
No, it was my good driving :P

Come to think of it, I took out Savage AND 360 in that fight, & beauty did nothing but get torn apart
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 09, 2010, 09:03:57 AM
Come to think of it, I took out Savage AND 360 in that fight, & beauty did nothing but get torn apart
Quite ironic considering it's the European Featherweight Champion.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: JoeBlo on October 09, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
No, it was my good driving :P

looked like you were on the ass end of that ass kicking :P

360 seems to have similar troubles to Warhead.. I wonder if the disc has the same technology as Hypnodisc (it was quite cleaver what they did)
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on October 09, 2010, 09:20:03 AM
looked like you were on the ass end of that ass kicking :P
Not really, that was the 2009 Tag Team UK Championships, we WON the 2009 Tag Team UK Championships
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 09, 2010, 09:46:39 AM
Although might I ask, what was damaged in that fight with 360?
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: Vertigo on October 09, 2010, 09:50:06 AM
It was all superficial. The hardox flipper was twisted, the hardox frame was ripped in certain areas & so was the HDPE armour
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GoldenFox93 on October 09, 2010, 10:04:06 AM
It was all superficial. The hardox flipper was twisted, the hardox frame was ripped in certain areas & so was the HDPE armour
Well, from what I could see, I bet you were glad you had the Hardox Armour, eh?  ;)
 
Beauty 2 wasn't so lucky  :ouch:
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: GroudonRobotWars on October 09, 2010, 08:10:51 PM
Personally I hated Pussycat because it got lucky in its matches against Hypno-Disc and Razer.
Title: Re: Most Hated Robots
Post by: S.T.C. on October 09, 2010, 08:18:34 PM
Personally I hated Pussycat because it got lucky in its matches against Hypno-Disc and Razer.
Twice?