Battlebots judges' decisions

[Wings]

Recently, I was able to get myself a copy of Battlebots: The Official Guide.  Overall, I'm not sure it was worth all the money I spent on.  Yeah, some of the pictures are interesting, particularly when they show things from matches we didn't see (I think we can blame the killsaws for Greenspans' lose to Overkill), as are a few of the interviews, but overall I was a little letdown.  However, it was valuable for another reason: it made me realize it was possible to figure out a few judges' scores, including for some big matches.    Although the book does not give me any official scores, it does give the bot's averages in the three categories.  And if a bot had only one match where the judges decided the victor, well then the average is that match's score.  Let's take a big match with such a result: Ziggo vs The Big B.  Because that was Ziggo's only judge's match from Las Vegas 99 (the aggression, damage, and strategy scoring didn't appear till then), he only has one match to affect his average.  So, here's the match's decision based on that.          A|D|S Ziggo 6|8|10 Big B 9|7|5 I'm tempted to think that damage and strategy should be switched (the book like the old website lists the average for strategy before the one for damage, unlike how they are on the show and the actual scoring cards), but without proof of that, I think we can say that this is the final result. Other matches can be found as well using this system and basic algebra.  The bot Shaka had only one match and scored 10-1-5 (A-D-S) in that match.  His opponent, Son of Whyachi.  Because SOW had only two bouts determined by the judges (the book only goes up to Season 4.0), it's possible to figure the result of his second knowing his first and his average (7-12.5-9.5).  So the result of the Biohazard vs. Son of Whyachi match is.         A|D|S Sow 9|11|9 Bio   6|4|6 Now here's where my good news has to come to an end.  What I really wanted to do was to use this same formula to figure out the scores for the majority of matches but I hit a few roadblocks.  1) The basics of Las Vegas '99 and Season 1.0 are stated nowhere.  Sure, we have a few scores from Vegas and I can find out a small number from 1.0, but even a mere listing of which matches were KO's and which weren't isn't given to us.  So, certain robots really can't be done. 2) The one biggest obstacle is the key difference between the average's listed in the book and the old website, the book gives me decimals, while the website rounds them.  Thus, the numbers there are misleading (I was only able to figure out the SOW vs. Bio results because I had those decimals).  And because the book only lists the averages as of season 4.0, I can't figure out the season 3.0 results and use them to help with season 4.0 (as we all know, Battlebots got a huge number of new builders starting in season 3.0). 3) Obviously, we can't do anything about 5.0. So, basically we're limited in what we can figure out (we have all of season 2.0 (that's been known since forever), all results that were shown on television, as well as probably a scattered few in the other seasons, mainly from the first round).  Still, I think this was something worth sharing. Below, I've included the results of the first two rounds from season 3.0 in the Superheavy weight division (I only listed the winner's score in A-D-S order and I apologize for the poor formatting).  If you want to know what the asterisks mean, well those are the indicators the averages did not give a total that matched up with the one's on Jimmy Smentoski's website because of that decimal problem I mentioned above (I don't dare try to go any further than that).  If I find time (and currently I don't have the book on me), I'll report back with more from what else I can find. [/t][/t]                  [/t][/t] Matches Winner Loser Aggression Damage Strategy Superheavyweight season 3.0 Round 1 Flailbot Ballbreaker Ko Ko Ko Hoobot Steel Reign 7 8 8 Trimangle Battle Scar 9 9 9 Jaws of Death KillDozer 8 9 12 The Junkyard Cog Super Shark FF FF FF Africanized Killer Bot Cannibot 9 9 9 OJ Cyclone 10 10 10 Phere Mantaray Ko Ko Ko Techno Destructo Little Blue Engine 7 9 7 CUAD The Crusher Jack the Gripper Ko Ko Ko Hammertime Maximus 9 11 11 Brainsters of Triskelion The Probe 9 9 9 JuggerBot Neptune Ko Ko Ko Armageddon G.O.R.T. FF FF FF The Judge Iceberg 12 14 12 Dawn of Destruction The Swarm 6 10 7 Round 2 Ogre Flailbot 11 10 9 Hoobot Trimangle 10* 8* 8* Whyachi Hammerlock FF FF FF Electric Lunch Jaws of Death 9* 9* 10* The Junkyard Cog Africanized Killer Bot Ko Ko Ko OJ Dreadnought 8 8 8 Phere Go Postal 8 8 9 Techno Destructo Metalhead 13 8 11 CUAD The Crusher Overlord 10 11 11 Hammertime Brainsters of Triskelion Ko Ko Ko Vladiator JuggerBot 10 10 8 Half Gassed Armageddon 8 8 8 The Judge Wack-a-Tron Ko Ko Ko No Apologies Isoceles 1 Ko Ko Ko Eradicator Little Egypt 12 14 13 Dawn of Destruction Gyrax 8 8 8     [/t][/t][/t]

[Badnik96]

Hey, Wings is back again.

Nice job doing this, mind if I use some of the info for the BattleBots Wiki?