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« on: February 27, 2017, 02:42:20 AM »
So the 3 burst flipper defeats the enemy team because they all didn't have wedges.
What a ****ing surprise. Greatest robot of all time, clearly. /s
Not sure why Badger's too proud of himself for making this travesty.
:>
Don't worry about kix's 3 burst flipper (which had a small burst arc that meant that it was not as overpowered as paladin), or the fact that it got outwedged by a static wedge (because it flipped and lifted itself up, not proving anything about wedges? And besides, MITP got thrown out soon after anyways, so your "outwedging" point is invalid).
Maybe if you understood that I only used 3 bursts in order to get the proper width for the flipping plate (extenders exist, use them) , and that the number of bursts is literally 100% irrelevant anyway (No. No it isn't. You don't see real robots with 3 simultaneous pistons. It's not IRL, and it's tryhard. Kix just gets a pass because he made his robot weak in other ways, such as having a short swing arc and being very easy to damage.), you wouldn't be so salty.
for the sake of ending the argument and avoiding a ban, i'll shut up
So the 3 burst flipper defeats the enemy team because they all didn't have wedges.
What a ****ing surprise. Greatest robot of all time, clearly. /s
Not sure why Badger's too proud of himself for making this travesty.
Things that make you go
Hmmmmmm...
He's deliberately giving me sh** via PM, so at this point I don't care. I'm not going to have this sh** happen again and again: I raised a perfectly good point, and in return he and 09 decided to talk sh**.
582
« on: February 27, 2017, 02:34:29 AM »
So the 3 burst flipper defeats the enemy team because they all didn't have wedges.
What a ****ing surprise. Greatest robot of all time, clearly. /s
Not sure why Badger's too proud of himself for making this travesty.
can you like maybe stop
everyone's having fun with this. if you want a real competitive tourney, Kurt's Master of Disaster is still open for signups iirc
oh I was having fun, then this tryhard 3 flipper BS came along. And no, I don't want a competitive tourney, I'd like an actual IRL one like this was supposed to be.
583
« on: February 27, 2017, 02:28:07 AM »
ayy welcome back toast
584
« on: February 27, 2017, 02:25:03 AM »
So the 3 burst flipper defeats the enemy team because they all didn't have wedges.
What a ****ing surprise. Greatest robot of all time, clearly. /s
Not sure why Badger's too proud of himself for making this travesty.
585
« on: February 26, 2017, 06:05:32 PM »
Just sent my rumble line up, let's see who wins now in bizarro world.
There IS something wrong with a 2 Moros blades stacked in each other, however.
What I saw, they weren't stacked, rather placed right next to each other...
I dunno how 09 interpreted "stapled together" as "stacked inside each other", but yeah, all I did was make the bar thicker, I didn't think it would be this big a deal
Sorry man, my bad. I thought by stapled you mean't stacked, plus it looked only one bar thick to me, guess I have bad eyes or something.
"So making a flipper as powerful as one would be IRL is OP now" Yes, this is RA2 not real life, and besides, if we're going on that argument, what the hell kind of IRL flipper uses 3 pistons simultaneously? The problem here is that Paladin, while being cool looking enough to class as IRL, is on the verge of becoming tryhard. If this sort of 3 burst flipper was done by somebody less skilled (i'll ignore flipster because the fact is his swing arc on the flippers are very short, so it's not too powerful in practice), people would flip their sh**. And when Baconus built a 3 piston hammer bot, Badger did.
First of all, it's called "IRL" for a reason, so it does make some sense for it to be somewhat powerful. Next, I personally see nothing wrong if the bot is a bit tryhard when it looks dope. Obviously if someone is entering some butt ugly flipper that looked it came out of Battlebots that had 4 long bursts, then maybe. Also by saying you will "ignore Flipster" you are basically just cherry picking now to fit your argument dude. "Also, I'm fairly sure armour plates have the exact if not better stats that skirts so it's probably for the best he used skirts." That wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to Demon complaining about Badger using skirt/metal hinges with small wedges on, but I said that I had no issue with that. Context, 09, context.
My bad then, small wedges really aren't skirts though. "Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about slow and powerful flipper, mate." No. No there isn't. Precisely what is your point here? Sounds to me like you're running out of ideas for your copypasta, showing that your argument is not well founded. At all. Because i haven't mentioned this even once: My problem is with the 3 bursts, which is just dancing on the lines between IRL,Tryhard IRL and DSL-S imo. If a worse builder built a 3 burst flipper, people would be all over him.
My point is there really isn't any problem with the bot, as you said with the first line. On top of that, trying to use "3 bursts" as a reason just bad, since all different sizes of bursts have a different amount of power. For example, 3 Medium VDMA's used on his bot have a combine powered of 540 (180 each) while a bot using 2 Large bursts has a total power of 600 (300 each). So yeah, him using 3 smaller bursts is actually to your advantage, as there is less power and 3 burst motors need more batteries than just 2. "Sounds like people just got E X P O S E D for trying to get ez wins with a HS" Oh please. The irony of this is shocking: is the name Solaris ringing any bloody bells? You've literally got no point here, because your own team has won this tournament through usage of a 3 burst flipper with large arcs to maximize power, as well as using a Tombclone HS, in a arena where flippers were meant to have a hard time to flip robots out. It's almost as if nobody was expecting flippers, so Badger (and TGM, but he limited his swing arc like a proper lad) decided to get "ez wins with a" overly powerful flipper.
Not sure how it's ironic that my team got wins with a HS, the whole point of the statement was it's dumb for people to get upset at a flipper because they entered wedgeless HS and got flipped OOTA because of that. As for the "arena where flippers were mean't to have a hard time to flip robots out" part, Paladin wasn't flipping stuff acrossed the arena in the first 10 seconds and OOTA unlike my GTMC bot for example. Hell, it didn't even manage to flip you OOTA in a min, instead your bot got caught in the rails. Not sure why someone should be punished because they went for the unexpected and took advantage that nobody bother to build a counter. Finally, first you said the Swing Arc wasn't that big of a deal compared to the skirts, but now it seems to be your main arguing point against it. Wow. Impressive mathematics. This would seal your argument: Had you not missed the fact that the large beaters are not meant to deal damage, and are used to hold on the spike strips. They are literally right at the back of the jaw: they 'd barely scratch somebody's wedge if lucky. And also I was only referring to the spike strips in my argument, so this makes all of your calculations inherently unbalanced.
No, Jamied said they were used as extenders. The reason he used them, presumably, was that in the case that many of the spike strips were lost, he could try and ram with the beaters instead. but they aren't at the front of the bot: they are right at the back of the jaw where it's much more likely CS will end up stopping the robot with the part of the strips at the back, and where they won't get a flail boost.
I'm sorry man, but this is now just cherry picking. It doesn't matter if Jamied intended them to just hold the spike strips, they are still weapons and will do damage after the same spike strips you called fragile fell off. Double Layer weapon setups like that have been commonplace since you and me joined and have proved very effective many times over as after your first set of weapons fell off, you had another full set at full HP to clean up the other dudes damaged weapons. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue weapon setups against someone who has more experience anyways. BTW for future bot building help, flails don't boost concussion at all, so a concussion weapon like a beater wouldn't get any boost from the flail. I'm not even going to congratulate you for the victory, to be honest. You won through the luck of the draw: our team had no flippers, you did. You just scraped by with a close decision over MITP, and if JP or Executioner hadn't lost, we could have taken this tournament.
Dude, you could've just said GG everybody but now it really does look like you are just upset at the result of the tourney and basically giving Badger ammo. Also remember who said the tourney was basically luck in the first place.......... You see, the problem is there is not that much "strategy" involved, and this mainly comes down to luck 
But yeah, this thing could have easily gone the other way. I will say though IMO it was a big risk to send out 3 of your heaviest hitters into R1, and luckily Challenge managed to get a win over Jungle Fever which really helped my team in the long run, as Jungle Fever was probably going to be the hardest to flip and as you said yourself, the best bet you had against Paladin. Well, somebody thinks they're a big shot, don't they? You mean your TEAM won a tournament. Don't let this TEAM victory go to your head. It's a team victory because Paladin and Challenge took out the robots that could have annihilated you (Executioner, JP) before you got involved. I'll see you in the challenge board once I finish up with TheRoboteer. (Though Solaris was an excellent first entrant, I must add. But talking sh** this early in your time on GTM? Yeah, i'm going to enjoy beating you.)
I mean, his comment was kinda uncalled for, but if anything, Paladin and his bot Solaris really carried the team as a I screwed up and sent out Hitler R1 instead of Axe questions. Nothing wrong with the new dude giving out somes bantz after his first tourney win anyways. And you missed the point yet again: I was saying that those robots were bad by your impossibly high standards: Killshot's alright with some neat wheelguards, and a cool, sleek finish, but could do with more colour. Challenge is actually quite good with the way the weapon supports were made. AQL isn't absolute cancer, but it's not the best. Solaris is really cool but needs skin work done.
And you missed the point when I literally said " The "How about you consider" was just supposed to be an edited Copypasta tier of your post and not mean't to be taken that seriously" Yeah you shouldn't host an IRL tournament if you don't know what IRL means.
Everybody knows your are upset you lost/at me/at Badger, but taking it out on the host now is literally the dumbest thing you could possible do dude, which finally leds me to. *reply to Badgers flame bait*
Alright dude, you, me,and basically everybody else knows you are on your LAST chance on theses forums, you have been banned twice for reasons similar to this (For example, your first ban from which was just replying to Badger's flamebait). By now you should know better than to reply to that kinda of stuff. On top of that, there is your posts towards Neon and Gulden. If you really want to stay on these forums and not get banned, I highly suggest you just stop what you have been doing in this thread, The mods don't care if you want to just "prove them wrong" or w/e, what they care about is if you are actually going to behave for once. This is my last reply to this drama, as I think I have made myself pretty clear in this post what I mean't.
I have a response that beats all arguments here, but for the sake of ending the argument and avoiding a ban, i'll shut up. But don't take this as any confirmation of you "winning" the argument, take this as me being held back.
nigga you just need to take this L we lost, get over it
My issues go beyond that at this point. Just to play devil's advocate, if you beat all arguments then that ends it too.
i think i'd get banned before 09 concedes my point in all honesty. I'd rather I didn't get banned, thanks.
586
« on: February 26, 2017, 05:46:32 PM »
Just sent my rumble line up, let's see who wins now in bizarro world.
There IS something wrong with a 2 Moros blades stacked in each other, however.
What I saw, they weren't stacked, rather placed right next to each other...
I dunno how 09 interpreted "stapled together" as "stacked inside each other", but yeah, all I did was make the bar thicker, I didn't think it would be this big a deal
Sorry man, my bad. I thought by stapled you mean't stacked, plus it looked only one bar thick to me, guess I have bad eyes or something.
"So making a flipper as powerful as one would be IRL is OP now" Yes, this is RA2 not real life, and besides, if we're going on that argument, what the hell kind of IRL flipper uses 3 pistons simultaneously? The problem here is that Paladin, while being cool looking enough to class as IRL, is on the verge of becoming tryhard. If this sort of 3 burst flipper was done by somebody less skilled (i'll ignore flipster because the fact is his swing arc on the flippers are very short, so it's not too powerful in practice), people would flip their sh**. And when Baconus built a 3 piston hammer bot, Badger did.
First of all, it's called "IRL" for a reason, so it does make some sense for it to be somewhat powerful. Next, I personally see nothing wrong if the bot is a bit tryhard when it looks dope. Obviously if someone is entering some butt ugly flipper that looked it came out of Battlebots that had 4 long bursts, then maybe. Also by saying you will "ignore Flipster" you are basically just cherry picking now to fit your argument dude. "Also, I'm fairly sure armour plates have the exact if not better stats that skirts so it's probably for the best he used skirts." That wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to Demon complaining about Badger using skirt/metal hinges with small wedges on, but I said that I had no issue with that. Context, 09, context.
My bad then, small wedges really aren't skirts though. "Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about slow and powerful flipper, mate." No. No there isn't. Precisely what is your point here? Sounds to me like you're running out of ideas for your copypasta, showing that your argument is not well founded. At all. Because i haven't mentioned this even once: My problem is with the 3 bursts, which is just dancing on the lines between IRL,Tryhard IRL and DSL-S imo. If a worse builder built a 3 burst flipper, people would be all over him.
My point is there really isn't any problem with the bot, as you said with the first line. On top of that, trying to use "3 bursts" as a reason just bad, since all different sizes of bursts have a different amount of power. For example, 3 Medium VDMA's used on his bot have a combine powered of 540 (180 each) while a bot using 2 Large bursts has a total power of 600 (300 each). So yeah, him using 3 smaller bursts is actually to your advantage, as there is less power and 3 burst motors need more batteries than just 2. "Sounds like people just got E X P O S E D for trying to get ez wins with a HS" Oh please. The irony of this is shocking: is the name Solaris ringing any bloody bells? You've literally got no point here, because your own team has won this tournament through usage of a 3 burst flipper with large arcs to maximize power, as well as using a Tombclone HS, in a arena where flippers were meant to have a hard time to flip robots out. It's almost as if nobody was expecting flippers, so Badger (and TGM, but he limited his swing arc like a proper lad) decided to get "ez wins with a" overly powerful flipper.
Not sure how it's ironic that my team got wins with a HS, the whole point of the statement was it's dumb for people to get upset at a flipper because they entered wedgeless HS and got flipped OOTA because of that. As for the "arena where flippers were mean't to have a hard time to flip robots out" part, Paladin wasn't flipping stuff acrossed the arena in the first 10 seconds and OOTA unlike my GTMC bot for example. Hell, it didn't even manage to flip you OOTA in a min, instead your bot got caught in the rails. Not sure why someone should be punished because they went for the unexpected and took advantage that nobody bother to build a counter. Finally, first you said the Swing Arc wasn't that big of a deal compared to the skirts, but now it seems to be your main arguing point against it. Wow. Impressive mathematics. This would seal your argument: Had you not missed the fact that the large beaters are not meant to deal damage, and are used to hold on the spike strips. They are literally right at the back of the jaw: they 'd barely scratch somebody's wedge if lucky. And also I was only referring to the spike strips in my argument, so this makes all of your calculations inherently unbalanced.
No, Jamied said they were used as extenders. The reason he used them, presumably, was that in the case that many of the spike strips were lost, he could try and ram with the beaters instead. but they aren't at the front of the bot: they are right at the back of the jaw where it's much more likely CS will end up stopping the robot with the part of the strips at the back, and where they won't get a flail boost.
I'm sorry man, but this is now just cherry picking. It doesn't matter if Jamied intended them to just hold the spike strips, they are still weapons and will do damage after the same spike strips you called fragile fell off. Double Layer weapon setups like that have been commonplace since you and me joined and have proved very effective many times over as after your first set of weapons fell off, you had another full set at full HP to clean up the other dudes damaged weapons. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue weapon setups against someone who has more experience anyways. BTW for future bot building help, flails don't boost concussion at all, so a concussion weapon like a beater wouldn't get any boost from the flail. I'm not even going to congratulate you for the victory, to be honest. You won through the luck of the draw: our team had no flippers, you did. You just scraped by with a close decision over MITP, and if JP or Executioner hadn't lost, we could have taken this tournament.
Dude, you could've just said GG everybody but now it really does look like you are just upset at the result of the tourney and basically giving Badger ammo. Also remember who said the tourney was basically luck in the first place.......... You see, the problem is there is not that much "strategy" involved, and this mainly comes down to luck
But yeah, this thing could have easily gone the other way. I will say though IMO it was a big risk to send out 3 of your heaviest hitters into R1, and luckily Challenge managed to get a win over Jungle Fever which really helped my team in the long run, as Jungle Fever was probably going to be the hardest to flip and as you said yourself, the best bet you had against Paladin. Well, somebody thinks they're a big shot, don't they? You mean your TEAM won a tournament. Don't let this TEAM victory go to your head. It's a team victory because Paladin and Challenge took out the robots that could have annihilated you (Executioner, JP) before you got involved. I'll see you in the challenge board once I finish up with TheRoboteer. (Though Solaris was an excellent first entrant, I must add. But talking sh** this early in your time on GTM? Yeah, i'm going to enjoy beating you.)
I mean, his comment was kinda uncalled for, but if anything, Paladin and his bot Solaris really carried the team as a I screwed up and sent out Hitler R1 instead of Axe questions. Nothing wrong with the new dude giving out somes bantz after his first tourney win anyways. And you missed the point yet again: I was saying that those robots were bad by your impossibly high standards: Killshot's alright with some neat wheelguards, and a cool, sleek finish, but could do with more colour. Challenge is actually quite good with the way the weapon supports were made. AQL isn't absolute cancer, but it's not the best. Solaris is really cool but needs skin work done.
And you missed the point when I literally said " The "How about you consider" was just supposed to be an edited Copypasta tier of your post and not mean't to be taken that seriously" Yeah you shouldn't host an IRL tournament if you don't know what IRL means.
Everybody knows your are upset you lost/at me/at Badger, but taking it out on the host now is literally the dumbest thing you could possible do dude, which finally leds me to. *reply to Badgers flame bait*
Alright dude, you, me,and basically everybody else knows you are on your LAST chance on theses forums, you have been banned twice for reasons similar to this (For example, your first ban from which was just replying to Badger's flamebait). By now you should know better than to reply to that kinda of stuff. On top of that, there is your posts towards Neon and Gulden. If you really want to stay on these forums and not get banned, I highly suggest you just stop what you have been doing in this thread, The mods don't care if you want to just "prove them wrong" or w/e, what they care about is if you are actually going to behave for once. This is my last reply to this drama, as I think I have made myself pretty clear in this post what I mean't. I have a response that beats all arguments here, but for the sake of ending the argument and avoiding a ban, i'll shut up. But don't take this as any confirmation of you "winning" the argument, take this as me being held back.
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« on: February 26, 2017, 12:21:44 PM »
> Implying you're a better tournament host than Gulden
Challenge Accepted.
588
« on: February 26, 2017, 12:01:50 PM »
Yeah you shouldn't host an IRL tournament if you don't know what IRL means.
Good to know that you'll never host an IRL tournament then :>
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=17174.0Any other flame bait? I can do this all day.
589
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:52:41 AM »
Disagree. That looks cooler in my opinion, because it looks like it can do something, and it does feel more like Zeus from RW, which was a cool bot.
590
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:49:25 AM »
"It was a direct counter to when you said Paladin was tryhard because it had hinged wedges."
Those are flails, and I was referring to Demon talking about Skirt and Metal hinges.
"Can I just be blunt and say I had no idea what you guys were talking about when you guys said "Tryhard."
That might put at least something straight."
Yeah you shouldn't host an IRL tournament if you don't know what IRL means.
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« on: February 26, 2017, 09:21:02 AM »
Let's be honest, you're only crying about it because you lost to it.
I'm sick of hearing this argument. Instead of listening to the argument that I put forward, you decide to yell "LOL YOU LOST TO IT SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID". This is just a desperate way of ignoring the point i'm making that in RA2 3 burst flippers just aren't fair. I know you're trying to simulate real life, but 3 bursts is excessive. I get what you were going for with paladin, but take the power of Paladin. Then put that into a sloppier bot, which might use even larger bursts. You would end up with a horrific robot that if it persisted in being made could completely **** up the IRL meta: and we've been here before with the Judge Burst Flippers saga of dsl.2.1. Hence, I want to prevent these 3 burst flippers from catching on. Also, 3 bursts is necessary? Calling BS. Hell, Anti Gravity Evo flipped robots out the Ring arena with a good run up and a flip, and it used a SINGLE burst. 2 bursts should be maximum. I want a rumble/grudge match of Flipster vs 3 HS.
@LRA2 they is no reason to use beaters aside from having more weapons, as steel extenders weigh less and have more HP from what I remember (Otherwise that,s just bad bot building then, and they will end up do damage no matter what, so you really can't say they are "just for extenders" when they are in the fromt of the bot on a rammer IMO. Also if you didn't know, flails basically give piericing weapons a frequency effect. Also I never slammed you for using a skirt wedge, I slammed you for using an ugly look wedge. PS: The "How about you consider" was just supposed to be an edited Copypasta tier of your post and not mean't to be taken that seriously + I told SHIELD his bot was a sh** on discord lmao No, Jamied said they were used as extenders. The reason he used them, presumably, was that in the case that many of the spike strips were lost, he could try and ram with the beaters instead. but they aren't at the front of the bot: they are right at the back of the jaw where it's much more likely CS will end up stopping the robot with the part of the strips at the back, and where they won't get a flail boost. And you missed the point yet again: I was saying that those robots were bad by your impossibly high standards: Killshot's alright with some neat wheelguards, and a cool, sleek finish, but could do with more colour. Challenge is actually quite good with the way the weapon supports were made. AQL isn't absolute cancer, but it's not the best. Solaris is really cool but needs skin work done.
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« on: February 26, 2017, 07:50:00 AM »
The bots have to be with AI? I mean, I'm really new to this, can't i just control mine?
Btw I could translate the first message to perfect spanish if you ask me
This tournament basically isn't happening. And i'm sorry, but online play on RA2 is legendarily awful, even though efforts are being made to curb this, it's just not feasible. Also, the bots have to be Ai'd as general standard in all tournaments these days. Sorry.
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« on: February 26, 2017, 07:43:49 AM »
I promised a response, and you're getting it. Agreed. 3 bursts, and they are all at max arcs. The hinges are less of an issue imo, I mainly have issue with skirt sheets.
So making a flipper as powerful as one would be IRL is OP now (Image removed from quote.)
Plus it's easily cheesed by anything that gets under it, you know, like a IRL flipper (Image removed from quote.)
Also, I'm fairly sure armour plates have the exact if not better stats that skirts so it's probably for the best he used skirts. (Image removed from quote.)
Before you go and try and slam our Team Captain for factors outside his control, how about you consider the fact that it was you who set up the luck-based system that led to 3 overhead spinners being on our team, and it was you who accepted CS, despite either knowing that it was over powered, or failing to test it properly to see if it was overpowered. Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about overhead spinners, mate. There IS something wrong with a 3 piston flipper however.
Before you go and try and slam our Tourney Host for factors outside his control (he was the one who accepted CS, so it was entirely in his control), how about you consider the fact that it was Baconus, Enigma, and you who sent butt ugly HS . He never even said they were OP anyways, he was just saying they can literally beat most the bots on the team aside from Paladin maybe. Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about slow and powerful flipper, mate. There IS something wrong with a 2 Moros blades stacked in each other, however. (Thanks F1Krazy for telling me so I can use it for copypasta)
Sounds like people just got E X P O S E D for trying to get ez wins with a HS (Image removed from quote.)
Also, it's a fairly cool idea, and spikestrips aren't that durable, and you saw it get outwedged and flipped about the place by Paladin.
(Image removed from quote.)
Croc Smile aka OMG SPIKE SPAM
10 spike strips x 2,000 hp each = 20,000 total HP
10 large beater bars x 2,500 hp each = 25,000 total HP
20,000 + 25,000 = 45,000 total HP
10 spike strips x 446 DP = 4,460 total DP + Flail boost since spike strips are only piercing
10 large beater bars x 240 DP = 2,400 total (No flail boost since pure concussion)
4,460 + 2,400 = 6,860 total DP + Flail boost
VS
Grindr aka OMG SAW SPAM
8 saws x 3,600 HP each (The appear to be 80cm Saws) = 28,800 total HP
8 saws x 408 DP each = 3,264 total DP
Croc Smile > Grindr by 16,200 weapon HP
Croc Smile > Grindr by 3,595 weapon DP
So what bot had fragile weapons again (Image removed from quote.)
And who would have guessed a rammer without a wedge got dunked on by a flipper, I mean, that's kinda how things work, right? (Image removed from quote.)
Right, let's dissect and destroy this argument. "So making a flipper as powerful as one would be IRL is OP now" Yes, this is RA2 not real life, and besides, if we're going on that argument, what the hell kind of IRL flipper uses 3 pistons simultaneously? The problem here is that Paladin, while being cool looking enough to class as IRL, is on the verge of becoming tryhard. If this sort of 3 burst flipper was done by somebody less skilled (i'll ignore flipster because the fact is his swing arc on the flippers are very short, so it's not too powerful in practice), people would flip their sh**. And when Baconus built a 3 piston hammer bot, Badger did. Do robot wars bots have 3 hammers? (hint: no, they don't)
If you want to play for max efficiency, go for DSL-S. IRL isn't for efficiency.
The irony is absolutely killing me here: either Badger's a total hypocrite and has intentionally broken his statement "IRL isn't for efficiency", and/or or you've decided that his bot being OP (BY HIS OWN STATED STANDARDS, I MIGHT ADD) is perfectly fine. I'm going with the latter here, Badger's been a bit of a snarky arse with the "sh**canning" post but he obviously put time into this. "Plus it's easily cheesed by anything that gets under it, you know, like a IRL flipper" Or a bot with a component wedge? Yeah, this is also hypocritical considering on the Banter Wars Wiki discord you slammed me for using a skirt hinge wedge with emergency wedge (which in previous bots i've made can and has been torn right off), so either we built a robot with wedges that can beat your robot, at which point you decide to bitch and moan about using metal/skirt hinge wedges, or we take the moral high road and try and build IRL bots with efficiency that doesn't make them ungodly OP (See Executioner and Fighter Mk.II which use powerful weapons, but still have obvious flaws in that they don't have wedges and cannot selfright well) and then decide to raise valid concerns (which could have been dealt with some sort of civility considering the more serious tone used by Demon), and you promptly try to mock us for it. Great. That seems fair and not hypocritical. "Also, I'm fairly sure armour plates have the exact if not better stats that skirts so it's probably for the best he used skirts." That wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to Demon complaining about Badger using skirt/metal hinges with small wedges on, but I said that I had no issue with that. Context, 09, context. "Before you go and try and slam our Tourney Host for factors outside his control, how about you consider the fact that it was Baconus, Enigma, and you who sent butt ugly HS . He never even said they were OP anyways, he was just saying they can literally beat most the bots on the team aside from Paladin maybe. Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about slow and powerful flipper, mate. There IS something wrong with a 2 Moros blades stacked in each other, however.""Tourney host for factors outside his control": The tournament host literally has control over all the factors of the tournament: he writes the rules, organises the tournament, and critically: ACCEPTS THE BOTS. Gulden is highly hypocritical for mocking CS as a flail ram, considering he was the guy who took it, accepted it, and had to test the AI on it and didn't think at any point "nah this is too overpowered" but then when he saw it in action he pulled a 180 and mocked Jamied666 for entering it. Alright, that's sort of standard for those who can't do anything about it, such as myself and demon about Paladin, and 09 and Badger about CS, but for the host to turn around and say that is pretty hypocritical. That being said the CS hate is 80% justified in my opinion. "how about you consider the fact that it was Baconus, Enigma, and you who sent butt ugly HS": Enigma's bot is not ugly. It's a bit bland other than the skin, but sure as hell not ugly. And if you disagree, then by your ridiculously high standards: Challenge is a white box with some metal and a eggbeater, making it bland and ugly (by your standards), Axe Questions Later is just bad, Killshot (by your standards) is a flat metallic box with a hammer, and hell, even solaris is just a orange/red tombclone. And before you say "Killshot and Solaris aren't bad" then frankly Executioner, MITP and Fighter aren't that bad either, but not every builder can create works of art, can they? Perhaps help them (Baconus) improve rather than writing them off as butt ugly and taking the piss? "He never even said they were OP anyways, he was just saying they can literally beat most the bots on the team aside from Paladin maybe." So this: "and a bot with nothing but hinges on his team." isn't meant to say that the robot is a OP flail ram? "Nothing but hinges" says that it only works because of the hinges, hence it is only a op flail ram. Also, he's the host who accepted it, so he's hypocritical for allowing it at the time but dissing the builder now. "Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about slow and powerful flipper, mate." No. No there isn't. Precisely what is your point here? Sounds to me like you're running out of ideas for your copypasta, showing that your argument is not well founded. At all. Because i haven't mentioned this even once: My problem is with the 3 bursts, which is just dancing on the lines between IRL,Tryhard IRL and DSL-S imo. If a worse builder built a 3 burst flipper, people would be all over him. "There IS something wrong with a 2 Moros blades stacked in each other, however.": I concede that this is intentionally going for efficiency over looks and is not in the spirit of IRL, but what the hell has this got to do with me? F1Krazy's fault, not mine, I didn't build it and I didn't even mention it in my argument. Go attack him for it, not me. Jungle Party's existence in this tournament is down to 2 people: F1Krazy and take a wild guess at who the second it: Guldenflame. If you're going to get "bootyblasted" over a OP tombclone perhaps you should complain to the host, instead of somebody who was handed JP to his team without his control over the matter. I did precisely that with Paladin. "Sounds like people just got E X P O S E D for trying to get ez wins with a HS" Oh please. The irony of this is shocking: is the name Solaris ringing any bloody bells? You've literally got no point here, because your own team has won this tournament through usage of a 3 burst flipper with large arcs to maximize power, as well as using a Tombclone HS, in a arena where flippers were meant to have a hard time to flip robots out. It's almost as if nobody was expecting flippers, so Badger (and TGM, but he limited his swing arc like a proper lad) decided to get "ez wins with a" overly powerful flipper. And now, for the final vestige of your argument, which has either missed the point, provided key flaws that I can exploit, or both. It's time for the snarky "consider the following" section to be annihilated. Croc Smile aka OMG SPIKE SPAM
10 spike strips x 2,000 hp each = 20,000 total HP
10 large beater bars x 2,500 hp each = 25,000 total HP
20,000 + 25,000 = 45,000 total HP
10 spike strips x 446 DP = 4,460 total DP + Flail boost since spike strips are only piercing
10 large beater bars x 240 DP = 2,400 total (No flail boost since pure concussion)
4,460 + 2,400 = 6,860 total DP + Flail boost
VS
Grindr aka OMG SAW SPAM
8 saws x 3,600 HP each (The appear to be 80cm Saws) = 28,800 total HP
8 saws x 408 DP each = 3,264 total DP
Wow. Impressive mathematics. This would seal your argument: Had you not missed the fact that the large beaters are not meant to deal damage, and are used to hold on the spike strips. They are literally right at the back of the jaw: they 'd barely scratch somebody's wedge if lucky. And also I was only referring to the spike strips in my argument, so this makes all of your calculations inherently unbalanced. "10 spike strips x 2,000 hp each = 20,000 total HP" "8 saws x 3,600 HP each (The appear to be 80cm Saws) = 28,800 total HP" So what bot had fragile weapons again (Image removed from quote.)
Crocodile Smile. 20,000 < 28,800. So the point that I had made was, looking at purely what I said and the logic of it's weaponry: true. And as for the weapon DP: Yeah, CS is overpowered. It's undeniable. But Gulden accepted it, so don't get "bootyblasted" by me about his mistake. And also, taking off the 2,400 DP from the beater bars makes it a closer gap. And also you haven't accounted for the fact that Grindr's saws have frequency. And also you forgot that throughout the fight CS slammed Grindr around the arena so that it couldn't get it's saws into play at all, because it was inherently better at controlling the fight than Grind. Right, that's your argument obliterated. Anything you want to add? I'm not even going to congratulate you for the victory, to be honest. You won through the luck of the draw: our team had no flippers, you did. You just scraped by with a close decision over MITP, and if JP or Executioner hadn't lost, we could have taken this tournament. I'll see you next tournament (whether Gulden hosts it as a sequel which would be nice if he could work out the faults and problems this tournament had, or if I just rip it off and solve the problems myself and set somebody else to judge), in any case. Preferably as Captain. It's my first time here at GTM and I won a tournament early, yet Avalanche never won any.
GG to all of you guys 
Well, somebody thinks they're a big shot, don't they? You mean your TEAM won a tournament. Don't let this TEAM victory go to your head. It's a team victory because Paladin and Challenge took out the robots that could have annihilated you (Executioner, JP) before you got involved. I'll see you in the challenge board once I finish up with TheRoboteer. (Though Solaris was an excellent first entrant, I must add. But talking sh** this early in your time on GTM? Yeah, i'm going to enjoy beating you.)
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« on: February 25, 2017, 08:52:01 PM »
Right: first, Demon: FFS. Second, Gulden: can you hand judging duties over to someone else who is neutral please?
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« on: February 25, 2017, 08:21:02 PM »
Right: I dispute the Solaris VS MITP decision. I'd like somebody who was notguldenflame to rejudge the fight, preferably a tournament mod.
Why? Because I honestly don't feel like it's a good idea to have the tournament host act as judge when his robot is in the tournament, and especially when he's picked a side to be on. And this has happened before: Yugitom made judges decisions for Pangolin's fights during Death Battle because DemonOfTomorrow was the builder of Pangolin and the host of Death Battle simultaneously.
(Image removed from quote.)
You didn't seem to have a problem when he literally judged his own one sided fight against Jungle Fever and nobody else on your team has a problem with the result, seems like someone is a bit bootyblasted that they are now losing after all the sh** talking he was doing earlier and have his strategy E X P O S E D. (Image removed from quote.)
Firstly, my sh**talking has been labelled as intentional and playing up to the fact I'm in Team Dark. You on the other hand are just trying to get a ride out of me and get me banned. Yeah, no.. And no, I didn't, because there was no point in disputing it, and I expected most fights to be straight knock outs or ootas if paladin was involved, and I've mostly been right in that assumption. Also, he's already accepted I've made a valid point, so perhaps it might be a good idea to quiet down, especially after I ceased sh**talking once the situation got worse, which just leaves you as the arrogant one especially considering I planned ahead and informed everyone that I was playing up the natural villain role because of being a Team Dark member, and ensured that people realised I wasn't being personal about it. You talk about game being "bootyblasted" but you try to mock me with anime images and seem to take a personal issue with the not-actually-hating-the-enemy sh**-talking. Let's put it this way: people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Il leave it at that, as I need some sleep for once. Aggression: What ratio? It's literally how many hits did each bot do? just ****ing count em.
Ratio is amount of hits. 68 hits for solaris is pretty much definite, however, I didn't really know how to count the wedging of MitP.
I'm personally ok with a re-judging. This was really close.
Besides, if I'll rig anything, I usually do it so I'll lose. Back in WCR, I rigged it so BattleBreaker didn't win against Blizzard in the rumble, so rng didn't decide the winner.
Thanks for not throwing a sh**fit at my dispute.
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« on: February 25, 2017, 07:58:49 PM »
is this irl or standard
This is a DSL-S And IRL showcase though, why not both  .
he meant the bot in particular
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« on: February 25, 2017, 07:55:21 PM »
Right: I dispute the Solaris VS MITP decision. I'd like somebody who was notguldenflame to rejudge the fight, preferably a tournament mod.
Why? Because I honestly don't feel like it's a good idea to have the tournament host act as judge when his robot is in the tournament, and especially when he's picked a side to be on. And this has happened before: Yugitom made judges decisions for Pangolin's fights during Death Battle because DemonOfTomorrow was the builder of Pangolin and the host of Death Battle simultaneously.
Here's the criteria, again: "Judging will be done by Aggression:(Amount of hits) Control: (The one that flew/was shoved the least) and Damage: (The in-game scoring)"
Ok, Damage: we can't see the indicators or the post match stuff. Presumably Solaris won, due to tearing off the wheel and weapon.
Control: Obviously MITP, sent Solaris across the ground and up in the air with hits, and without a weapon it shoved it around the arena.
Aggression: "Aggression was the hardest to decide. The ratio I had at the end for aggression points were 68 to 59." What ratio? It's literally how many hits did each bot do? just ****ing count em. I dispute the decision over this: I don't think this is being counted right. You cna see moments when MITP's blade suddenly spins down then back up: that's it hitting something, but i don't think it's being included. The ratio just does not feel conducive to the hits, which is half of why i'm disputing the decision.
Also, 09, I'll have a proper response to your argument when I wake up, it's 1 o clock over here and I haven't the time right now as my original post got deleted due to internet issues.
Badger: That robot had flaws and had already been defeated by the point of the argument, plus just because one bot isn't exactly fair doesn't suddenly make your bot any better. I'll explain my issues when i wake up later today.
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« on: February 25, 2017, 03:39:31 PM »
i guess you could scale it up and use a beta?
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« on: February 25, 2017, 03:31:50 PM »
damn that's cool. I wonder about the position of the burst axle though. Probably would be better further back with the whole arm moving up. It has a unique look and feel to it though, so keep it as is.
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« on: February 25, 2017, 03:26:11 PM »
I'm not the only one who thinks Paladin is a tryhard robot, right? 3 bursts with a big arc and small wedges on hinges is total BS in my opinion. I'm all for efficiency in IRL, but not like this
Agreed. 3 bursts, and they are all at max arcs. The hinges are less of an issue imo, I mainly have issue with skirt sheets. Says the guy with 3 overhead spinners on his team, and a bot with nothing but hinges on his team.
Before you go and try and slam our Team Captain for factors outside his control, how about you consider the fact that it was you who set up the luck-based system that led to 3 overhead spinners being on our team, and it was you who accepted CS, despite either knowing that it was over powered, or failing to test it properly to see if it was overpowered. Oh, and there's nothing un-IRL about overhead spinners, mate. There IS something wrong with a 3 piston flipper however. I'm not the only one who thinks Paladin is a tryhard robot, right? 3 bursts with a big arc and small wedges on hinges is total BS in my opinion. I'm all for efficiency in IRL, but not like this
Says the guy with 3 overhead spinners on his team, and a bot with nothing but hinges on his team.
OI Crocodile Smile is a bit more then "nothing but hinges" its meant to be a fun bot but if people that of it as what you said then I'm disappointed
How about "Nothing but an overgloried flail ram"
Blame Gulden for allowing it. Also, it's a fairly cool idea, and spikestrips aren't that durable, and you saw it get outwedged and flipped about the place by Paladin.
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