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4381
« on: September 20, 2009, 09:49:07 AM »
RAW 2 arena. :P
4382
« on: September 20, 2009, 09:48:21 AM »
20th at midnight guys... you have a full day.
4383
« on: September 19, 2009, 09:06:55 PM »
Well than make it a LW. No one cares if you have a bot that's supposed to be a LW.
4384
« on: September 19, 2009, 08:49:59 PM »
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4385
« on: September 19, 2009, 08:20:31 PM »
You know what, pinks would look SO much better painted black. I'll get on that in the skin pack :D
4386
« on: September 19, 2009, 08:16:49 PM »
Because Naryar started, I am allowed one last response.
Oh really ? I perfectly know some builders will build and most likely use crawlers in the future if they are not banned. I said "not very popular" that is, only a few builders really like/use them, not "unpopular". Obviously they will be built... simply not as much as HS or popups, excepted if they are accepted by the community as not ghey anymore.
"Only a few will build them." Hardly half a tournament...
Didn't you said that this debate was about crawlers and Bumble Bee was just an example ?
Yes, showing that crawlers have the ability to move fast. When you used the example you focused on Bumble Bee being invincible, and I pointed out that not all crawlers were like BB. I will confess that not all crawlers are fast, but they do have the ability to be so.
My strongest argument is that crawlers are unbalanced. If entered into tournaments, they will destroy HS and popups (both types usually dominate tournaments) and will dominate tournaments, and we'll see crawlers everywhere. I will agree with the idea of crawler-only tournaments, but i just dont want crawler spam.
Like I said, R4 can beat Bumble Bee, and I'll bet there are other popups that can do so as well. "...and we'll see crawlers everywhere." You just contradicted yourself. Earlier in the post you said only a few people will like/use them. There will be no crawler spam.
Obviously because HS are commonly built...
So if crawlers were commonly built, that means no one would want them banned from tourneys?
Maybe 2 or 3... but i never spent 5+ building hours on one like i spent on PitA 7.
Some bots take longer to make than others. That's never been an issue before.
That's not true for most of the HS and VS. Some of the gut-rippers would be much less efficient IRL for sure... but a crawler would be nearly worthless and barely work.
Yep, Mako is totally realistic. And most of the DSL VS are Mako clones.
Now Urjak, you may commence judging.
4387
« on: September 19, 2009, 06:20:35 PM »
I like them. I like mine more. :D
4388
« on: September 19, 2009, 06:15:42 PM »
So... crawler spam. Crawler win, crawler win, and again crawler win. People will get BORED after 5 crawler victories, especially that crawlers aren't very popular and WILL stay like this. Where will be originality and creativity apart from building another crawler?
By your reasoning, no one will build them anyways, because they are unpopular.
SO SLOW. First they take 10 seconds to reach each other, then they keep bumping into each other for the rest of the match, barely moving, wearing down their weapons and getting a KO if lucky, but more like 3-minute WBP matches. No massive hits that send both bots flying, no one-hit-kills, no high speed action, no flips... YAWN.
Do you have proof of this, or is it just speculation? Because Bumble Bee moves pretty fast, and I have a video to prove that. And again, is entertainment value really your strongest argument against having crawlers in tourneys? A bot shouldn't be allowed to enter because it will cause boring matches? That's not a good reason at all.
I did in BBEANS5... and i'm pretty sure i was not the only one who said "a lot of HS in the bracket".
I don't remember seeing a debate about whether or not to ban HS from tourneys however.
Building a good crawler is nothing like optimizing a caster armored popup.
How many have you built?
SnS can deliver massive hits, unlike crawlers. And Apanx's FBS.py might change this.
^^^ DSL ONLY. In stock, SnS are more like HS in the fact that they shred the opponent. The part about the FBS AI is true however. There's also a AI for spinning crawlers that stops them from spinning and moves towards the other bot.
And DSL crawlers... DSL is made to be realistic, and no crawler would ever
fight decently in real life. Neither would most DSL bots. Using real components and enforcing the realistic rule does not mean the matches are anything like in real life.
4389
« on: September 19, 2009, 05:52:08 PM »
4th time, Take me out the Bracket.
EDIT: I ****ING QUIT! NO MORE PM'S!!! Alright. I just talked with TiLT, said he would be willing to split up with me. That means he and I will be on separate teams. Unless anyone else wants to split up?
4390
« on: September 19, 2009, 04:12:31 PM »
I haven't finished my bot yet :D
And yea, I might make the bracket smaller. We'll see how many bots I get by tomorrow night.
4391
« on: September 19, 2009, 03:44:22 PM »
Well if crawlers are legal and will be entered into tournaments... most people would want their bot to be able to beat a crawler. Yes. Just like any other type of bot.
What other robot type is specifically designed to beat crawlers? Not a HS neither a rammer, for sure. A popup is able to beat an average crawler like the SCv3 ones, but has low chances against a killer one. I am not taking hazards into account here.
Why MUST there be a specific bot to beat crawlers? Are you mad at crawlers because they don't fit into your perfect little RA2 rock-paper-scissors triangle? "Because an HS always beats a VS, something must always beat a crawler." No.
The only real robot type i can see beating a crawler is a VS, but only in an arena with walls. In a closed arena, a good crawler would most likely own everything, and there will be probably a few crawlers in the tournament, so it'll end with crawlers as finalists.
So...?
So what are builders going to build against a crawler ? Another crawler ? Do you want a tournament with half of the entries crawlers ?
What's so bad about crawler vs crawler? If they both have controlled movement it could actually be a very interesting match. There will be many different crawler designs just like there are HS designs.
And about the out-weaponing, yes it is relevant. HS make most of their damage in a circle but horizontally, they do much less damage to an opponent under them. that is why they get beaten by popups if the popup can get under. However, crawlers can do damage to every single direction.
Crawlers can do damage in every single direction. But that means one direction will be weaker than it would be if you focused all the firepower on that direction. If that happens, then a single direction focused HS will be able to take out that part of the crawler. Its all about how the weapons are spread out. It seems your focus of this particular argument was the personal opinion that matches will be boring with crawlers in them. You base your whole argument on that without any real proof. "Do you want a tourney where half the entries are crawlers?" Why not, I ask? Half the tourneys already have HS, but no one complains. Last thing. "A popup is able to beat an average crawler like the SCv3 ones, but has low chances against a killer one." This rule applies to EVERY bot type in tournaments, not just crawlers. Not everyone can build a killer crawler, just like not everyone can build a superb HS or popup. There would only be may be 1 or 2 KILLER crawlers in a average tourney. And they might end up facing eachother. Who built the better crawler? Who built the best HS? Which popup has the better wedge? Are these questions that different? Crawlers would just join the ranks of the power types, along with HS and popup. So far your two arguments are that crawlers are too good to be entered and that having crawlers in a tourney would make it less entertaining. Am I wrong? IMO, SnS have way more boring matches than crawlers. Crawlers move towards each other.
4392
« on: September 19, 2009, 02:38:52 PM »
First, crawlers use wheels as weapons so they can dedicate most of their weight into weapons, so they basically outweapon nearly all other robot types excepted if you build a Dark July type rammer, and it's not even sure DJ would win against Bumble Bee - and that means, if well built, they are practically near-invulnerable to most types of bots First things first, this debate is about crawlers. Bumble Bee is only one example. A normal crawler (such as the ACME Brick) is much less deadly. They are slow and usually have an open stomach for popups to eat. The spinning crawler design (Bumble Bee), is, yes, almost invincible in a closed arena. But that's almost. Roboshark does have a screenshot of his bot R4 beating his Bumble Bee clone (which is an exact replica). But that's just in a closed arena. We all know how low walls are a huge bane to crawlers, and we've seen it time and time again in BBEANS5. You said "... so they basically outweapon nearly all other robot types ..." This is true. But why is this relevant? A well built popup with only 6 razors can take down a well built HS with 36 maces. Thats a 30 weapon difference, but the popup still won. To answer the question, there is nothing illegal about them, they are not invincible, and spinning crawlers require special AI for controlled movement. Crawlers should be allowed in tournaments. Theres no rule that says the good bot types can't enter. When the 36HS first came out, nothing could stand against it. That doesn't mean it couldn't be entered in tournaments does it? Using spikes as wheels sacrifices speed and control. A spinning crawler is much like an SnS. SnS use their wheels to spin their weapon, and just wait for the other bot to come to them. What makes crawlers so different? If the only reason that crawlers should not be in tournaments is because they are too good, then your argument is invalid.
4393
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:41:35 AM »
I better be 2nd best builder in stock behind Clickbeetle. You better send some votes in then... :D
4394
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:40:53 AM »
Hm.
Well Mr. Powers, I believe you make have me figured out... or maybe not. It could be an even more elaborate plan than that... or I could have meant what I said. You will never know... unless you pay me a sum of 1 MILLION DOLLARS.
4395
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:37:32 AM »
I can do that. It's fine.
4396
« on: September 19, 2009, 09:47:17 AM »
You decompile them both, then just transfer the geomobject section over to the arena from the component, and then go down to the bottom and copy the rigid body section. then make sure that works, and you can add a material to the top of the arena for the skin of the component.
4397
« on: September 19, 2009, 09:43:42 AM »
Damn it guys, I want a 1 vs 1 argument. I know what i can say and how to defend it, but I can't control what you guys say and if you say something wrong the opposing team will capitalize on that and we would probably lose.
1 VS 1
4398
« on: September 19, 2009, 09:36:28 AM »
1 more day!!!1
4399
« on: September 19, 2009, 12:39:05 AM »
Stating off with the Top Five Stock Builders, we have:
In 5th place:
In 4th place:
In 3rd place:
In 2nd place:
And in 1st place:
Now for the Top Five DSL Builders
In 5th place:
In 4th place:
In 3rd place:
In 2nd place:
And in 1st place:
Copy, write the names of the people who should win, PM me by sept 27.
4400
« on: September 19, 2009, 12:32:34 AM »
hm. I will lose cause of the lazy ass splash I did.
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