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Challenge Board / Re: Scrap vs Pwn vs Sage vs R0B0 (BATTLE)
« on: July 25, 2011, 02:40:09 AM »
THAT WAS THE GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN. EVER.
 
Huge thanks to Joe for making this thing work. Everybody, LOVE HIM MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO.
 
In theory, no. R0B0's one spun the pistons on a normal HPZ, and the rest had them attached statically to the chassis and wired as an SnS to spin up.

Actually, I used the NCR glitch to make my chassis spin. The drive motors still rotated the robot, but they did not move since they were attached to an axle mount.
 
And you do not need wheels for a TF. I've built working helicopters before in RA2.

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Stock Showcases / Re: Geice's Stock Showcase
« on: July 21, 2011, 03:30:11 PM »
I'd trade 3 castors for two more razors so you can have an even 3 per snapper. As it is, it seems like the arms with two razors would contact first, dampening the damage from the snappers with three razors.

Not entirely sure how much this hampers any effectiveness, however it's easy enough to do so i think it would be worth a shot.


Also, how the heck are you so good??

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Music ATM
« on: July 21, 2011, 11:24:20 AM »
The Melvins - The Bit


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Stock Showcases / Re: Sage's Showcase
« on: July 20, 2011, 03:44:45 PM »
2 pinks?

Bot looks great.

 
A nifty, actually.
 
Trust me guys, this bot was a massive pain in the ass to build xD

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Your Favorite Bands
« on: July 19, 2011, 02:13:10 PM »
Mastodon
The Mars Volta
Tool
Baroness
The Sword
The Tragically Hip
Opeth
At The Drive-In

Adding Sasquatch to the list. Just some nice, straight-up hard rock.
 
Also, NEW MASTODON WOOOOOHOOOOOO.
 
 

 

 
*Can't wait*

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Discussion / Re: A blast from the past... Checkin' da archives.
« on: July 15, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »
Either the Rupt glitch or text editing. Not sure which.

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Other Tutorials / Re: HAX MODE REVEALED - Your Guide to Superstacking
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:58:08 PM »
:O
 
Nice find Urjak. Can't believe we didn't try pressing pause xD
 
But I only got 4 HPZs to superstack. Can you post some pics?

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Discussion / Re: New Glitch - Hoax Mode
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:35:31 PM »
The Hax Mode Guide is now up for public comsumption!

The thread: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,7468.0.html

And since I really don't want to answer this question, I'll answer it before you guys ask:

Neither Scrap nor Sage told me how to superstack. I figured it out on my own using clues from the original thread (on the night of July 3rd if you're really asking. This is also why I neglected to answer S32's argument at first, since I was now talking from the other side of the fence xD). When I did, I approached Sage with what I'd found. He informed me that yes, I had discovered the correct method. When this thread was first posted, I was left in the dark as much as you guys were and was never told.

After, we worked on compiling the guide for you guys. And now you all can Hax Mode.

Happy Building :D

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Other Tutorials / HAX MODE REVEALED - Your Guide to Superstacking
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:21:35 PM »
NO, THIS IS NOT A HOAX. Hax Mode is actually a real glitch that has somehow remained hidden from public use for all of these years (the Bigfoot of RA2, if you will). During the delay between the release of Hax Mode and now, Sage, Scrap Daddy and myself have been working to find out as much about Hax Mode as we can before we shared our findings with you, the community. Now, we've gathered enough information on Hax Mode to compile this guide and help you in your exploration of this powerful, new glitch. We urge you to CAREFULLY READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS POST before you begin experimenting with Hax Mode.
 
 
 
1. HOW TO ACTIVATE HAX MODE:
 
 
   1.1 - Prerequisite Skills:
 
In order activate Hax Mode, you will need to know how to Snapper Load. Sage has a tutorial here: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,4512.0.html
This skill will come in extremely handy, as it is key to entering Hax Mode.
 
 
   1.2 - The Basic Ingredients:
     
Because of the limits of superstacking (more on these later), you will carefully need to plan out your chassis as you would for any other bot. The only components that you will need to activate Hax Mode are a Burst Piston of any length, a RAD Motor, a Control Board, and another kinetic component, like an Axle Mount.
 
 
   1.3 - Activating Hax Mode:
 
Your Burst Piston may be mounted in any fashion (internally, on a baseplate anchor, on a Snapper, etc.), however we recommend that you mount it INSIDE the chassis. Attach the RAD Motor onto the end of the Burst Piston, and you're ready to go.
 

 

The process is actually pretty simple. All you need to do is Snapper Load the Burst Piston. Once the inner part of the piston has left the viewing screen, it will not return to its base. You are completely free to fire the piston, turn the RAD on and off and attach more motors.
 

 

Once you can no longer see the piston with the RAD, attach ANOTHER component with an axle. It can be anything from the "Mechanics" tab, or an Axle Mount. We recommend an Axle Mount because it is much easier to fit in a tight space.
 

 

After the component with an axle is attached, fire the burst piston. Congratulations! You have now entered Hax Mode!
 

 
 
 
2. LIMITS OF HAX MODE:
 
Through extensive testing, we've found that Hax Mode isn't as easy as it looks, nor is it completely guaranteed to work. IT IS NOT NEARLY AS POWERFUL AS BOT FILE EDITING (BFE), as it will NOT allow you to stack any component anywhere you want at any time. These are the pitfalls, retrictions and limitations of Hax Mode.
 
 
   2.1 - The Soft Rule of 8... or 9:
 
One of the very first obstacles that you will run into is a limit of components that you can superstack. We believe that this limit is about 8 or 9 STATIC baseplate components (for example, anything in the power tab). This limit is not restricted to components that are superstacked in the same place. When this limit is passed, Hax Mode will simply not work until a baseplate component is removed.
 
For example, in the picture below 9 static components were attached to the baseplate (Control Board, Black Battery, Pink Battery, Big Airtank, Small Airtank, 4 Nifty Batteries) before RA2 would not allow any more static components to be superstacked:
 

 
       
  • EXCEPTION 1: We call this a "soft" limit because it is unclear what the component limit is, or whether there even is a limit. Usually, we've been able to attach 8 or 9 components before Hax Mode stops working, however Sage managed to attach somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 because his beard helped him. We're trying to find a method to consistently superstack double digit numbers of components.
  • EXCEPTION 2: We're unsure if this limit applies to kinetic components, such as motors. We've noticed that Hax Mode affects static components and kinetic components differently. We're still exploring exactly what the differences are.
   
 EDIT: By pressing the pause/break button, you will be able to pretty much superstack however many static components as you like. Credit Urjak for this discovery.
 
 
   2.2 - Superstacking Axles:
 
Quite simply, YOU CANNOT SUPERSTACK AXLES. There are ways around this however, as removing the axles from the motors will allow them to stack. When building Godmode, Sage had to systematically remove each individual axle from each HPZtek in order to make them stack; a long and tedious process. How do you remove the axles? That is entirely up to you, but there are many other well-known glitches that will allow you to do this.
 
EDIT: Pressing the pause/break button will allow axles to be stacked as well, although it is unclear if this lets you superstack an unlimited amount of motors. Credit Urjak for the discovery.

 
   2.3 - The Necro Glitch:
 
As cool as this sounds, it's a glitch that you want absolutely no part of. It occurs when the RAD with the inner part of the piston never returns to the body of the piston, even after entering and exiting the Test Garage. Since the piston never returns, it can't be detached, rendering the robot absolutely useless. In other words, a dead, or necro, chassis.
 
 
   2.4 - Other Odds and Ends:
 
Much like ordinary stacking, superstacking seems to only work in certain (albeit the majority of) places on the baseplate, and is not guaranteed to work exactly where you want. For example, you may be able to superstack two black batteries in one spot, but two other batteries may not superstack directly beside it.
 
Certain superstacks, like HPZteks or DDTs that are slightly overlapped, work very much the same way as stacking a pair of black batteries, as in they're difficult and they require a high level of precision to achieve. In this case, Hax Mode doesn't "help" you with this stack as much as it merely makes it possible.
 
While Hax Mode does allow you to exostack components, they may not exostack all around the chassis. For example, Black batteries may only exostack in one certain corner of the chassis. No matter what, Hax Mode DOES NOT allow you to exostack anything out of the top of the chassis.
 
Superstacks with motors may only work for a short period of time and only once per position. The following pictures offer a clearer explanation:
 


 
In the first picture, Hax Mode allows the HPZtek to be superstacked in the Black Battery. However in the second picture, the HPZtek was moved back outside of the battery, so it will no longer superstack. At this point, get a new HPZtek and try again.
 
 
 
3. HAX MODE AND THE COMMUNITY:
 
We'll readily admit to not fully understanding Hax Mode, but we've compiled this guide to help you along in your exploration of this glitch. Now, we're seeking your input and findings to help us gather enough information so we as a community can make the correct desicion on whether or not we will accept Hax Mode as a completely legal glitch, allow it while imposing regulations on its use, or ban its use entirely.
 
 
   3.1 - The Action Plan:
 
For now, we don't think that we've done enough testing to make a definitive call on the legality of Hax Mode, and quite frankly, we have absolutely no idea what you guys are going to do with this glitch. We need your help in testing the limits and boundaries that we've outlined for you already. Don't take any limits that we've outlined as absolute truths, and please try to find ways around them. This is your chance to abuse the absolute heck of Hax Mode. In fact, we welcome people proving our findings wrong. ALL new pieces of information will ultimately contribute towards answering the final question of Hax Mode: is it legal?
 
 
   3.2 - Ground Rules:
 
We do, however, feel the need to have one rule about the use of Hax Mode. DO NOT USE IT TO EXOSTACK BATTERIES. We should all agree that having invincible battery armour is not in the spirit of the game and is a massively overpowered use of this glitch.

We also believe that Hax Mode should be deemed ILLEGAL for use in tournaments until we have thoroughly tested it. In other words, illegal until proven legal.

We may add more imposed restrictions to this section as our exploration of Hax Mode reveals more details. We'll see.
 
 
   3.3 - Going Forward:
 
 The ultimate purpose of this excersize is to gather enough information on Hax Mode so that we can decide whether or not to accept it as a legal glitch. We (the community) will experiment and build with it, relatively unrestricted for now and make the desicion when we feel that we've gathered enough information. It might take a week, it might take a month. We don't know. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
 
 
   3.4 - What YOU Can Do: 
 
We're going to make this as clear as possible: WE DO NOT WANT YOUR OPINIONS ON HOW LEGAL OR ILLEGAL HAX MODE IS. Right now, we're just exploring the nature and extent of the glitch, not making descisions. What we want from you are not only what new aspects of the glitch you find and discover yourselves, but we also want to see how you use Hax Mode in your day-to-day robot building. Even if we discover nothing new about the glitch, we still desperately need to see how the community is going to use it. We will start up a Hax Mode Showcase where you can show us what you can do.
 
 
 
4. FAQ:
 
We don't want to be endlessly answering your questions, which is why we've made this guide as detailed as we can. Hopefully, this section can also address any more problems or quandries you could run into.
 
 
   4.1 - "Hax Mode isn't working. What's wrong?"
 
First of all, re-read the step-by-step instructions above. We've made this section as detailed as we can, and chances are, you're just forgetting to do something. Check if you've wired your piston to fire, make sure that the piston will not return to its body when the RAD is on, and remember to add an axle of some kind before you try to superstack. If none of these solve your problem, we have no idea what is wrong for you. Sorry :(
 
 
   4.2 - "I'm building this sweet bot and I need to superstack some batteries, but it won't let me. Why?"
 
You've probably run into the Soft Rule of 8-ish components. Try removing some motors or batteries or other baseplate components that DO NOT need to be superstacked and try again.
 
 
   4.3 - "I wanna build a Godmode clone, but why can't I stack my HPZteks like Sage did?"
 
No one ever said that Hax Mode was easy to use, in fact Sage has said that Godmode was incredibly annoying to build. In order to stack HPZteks or any other motors, the axles must be removed. Even then, superstacking motors can be difficult as it may work only one time in one particular spot. If you miss your one-time shot, just get a new motor and try again.


   4.4 - "I've built this awesome bot, so where should I post it?"
 
We will start a Hax Mode Showcase in the Stock Showcase section so you can post your creations there. We're doing this for two reasons, the first being that it's easier for all of us if we don't have to wade through pages and pages of multiple showcases to find the bots that we want to look at, and the second is that we technically haven't legalized Hax Mode yet. Consequently, we'd like to keep the possilby illegal bots seperate from all of the other stuff that everybody has built.
 
 
  4.6 - "So why did it take so long for you to release Hax Mode to the public?"
 
At first we were worried about the consequences of teaching everybody do-it-yourself BFE within the botlab, however these fears were put to rest soon after we really started testing Hax Mode out. At that point, it was only a matter of time until we released it to the public. During this period, we debated how we should release it, set out a plan of action, and compiled this guide to help you guys help us in analyzing this glitch. We just feel that this glitch deserves a different treatment than something like snapper loading because we don't know just how powerful it can be.

 
   4.7 - "Scrap and Sage, why did you jerks tell R0B0 how to Hax Mode and not me?? ELITIST PIGS!"
 
Just to be clear, neither Scrap nor Sage told me how to superstack. I figured it out on my own using clues from the original thread. When I did, I approached Sage with what I'd found. He informed me that yes, I had discovered the correct method. I then worked with Scrap and Sage to compile this guide for you guys.
 

   4.8 - "I didn't see any pistons and stuff in Sage's video. How'd he make that?"
 
A subtle combination of BS and magic-beardery. Actually, he just made the Burst Piston and RAD invisible and hid their collision meshes underneath the control board out the bottom of the bot. Him saying "Hax Mode... ACTIVATE"? Total crap.
 
 
5. CONCLUSION:
 
And there you are, this is everything that we know about Hax Mode. Everything. We may be wrong with some things, and bang on with others, but truthfully, we have no idea. We need your help to find out the exact nature of Hax Mode, whether it's too overpowered for legal use in Stock, or if it's fair enough to be considered on the same level as snapper loading an the like. Please keep this thread for discussions regarding the nature of Hax Mode only. General discussion regarding this gitch should remain in the original Hax Mode thread, and showcased bots using Hax Mode should be kept within the Hax Mode Showcase in the Stock Showcase section. Please follow these guidelines as it will make everybody's life easier.
 
 
 
HAPPY BUILDING  :D
Credits:
Discovery of Hax Mode and general awesomeness - Scrap Daddy
Consructing God(mode), harvesting info and having a magic beard - Sage
Compiling and writing this guide... and that's pretty much it - R0B0SH4RK

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Discussion / Re: VOTE for RA2 Hall of Fame
« on: July 13, 2011, 11:55:11 PM »
Hammer of Justice: None given, though it is one of the largest bots ever.

Tempus Fugit: None given, though it was a very good LW HS for its time.

Insult to Injury V: The bot incarnation of the razer guy run, Insult to Injury V proved to be surprisingly effective, and shows you should never underestimate a bot, even if it was a "SFTW."

R4: None given, though it was a very successful popup.

Iron Spaghetti: The first Flail Sheck Spinner entered into a tournament, Iron Spaghetti gave new life to the design and inspired its massive surge in popularity.

SnSnSnSnS: Took the community by storm after its debut in CC 1 and strong performance by its SHW counterpart in CC2, this bot forced tournaments to be held in open arenas and was for a time invincible.

Fury: A fearsome and iconic MW HS.

God Mode: First demonstration of the infamous Hax Mode being used on a competitive bot.

Bladewave: The most effective wammer.

Fast n' Furious: One of the most difficult True Popups.

Eclipse: The RA2 communities first real introduction to Narmor.

Not HoF material.


I agree on all except for HoJ. I didn't vote for it to get into the hall, but I at least think that it deserves to be on the ballot.


But heck, I don't even know what Eclipse is, let alone what it looks like.

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Chatterbox / Re: I....I gave in
« on: July 10, 2011, 11:05:06 PM »
MOmmmyyyy can we fly to the ukkkkk i have to rape someoneeeeeeee

Just have to say, this is one of the best posts in the last couple of months. That is all.

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Stock Showcases / Re: smashysmashy's showcase
« on: July 10, 2011, 06:10:36 PM »
Sage, Clickbeetle, or Scrap Daddy (they're my favourite bot builders in GTM).

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo...
 
On your newest bot: I dunno where other people are getting this from, but it does look like you know how to eFFe glitch (just look at how the spikes are attached guys >.>). What you really need to do is learn how to shrink and manage your chassis better. When building your chassis, first have an idea of what components you are going to put in the bot, and then design a chassis to fit those components as tight as you can. The reason why Sage, Scrap and Click can fit so many components in is because they know exactly what they're going to build before they build it, and design their chassis accordingly.
 
You'll probably end up having to re-do your chassis numerous times to get it perfect (expand some sections, shrink others), but I highly recommend you take the time to do this.
 
On step 2 of chassis design, when choosing the height of the chassis, move the slider all the way to the bottom. Then, raise it up by only 5 notches. This will give you just enought height to fit an HPZtek, and make the bot invertible with shiny hub wheels. You're wasting tons of weight on the chassis at the moment, and trimming it off will help you fit in more components.

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Stock Showcases / Re: R0B0SH4RK Stock Showcase
« on: July 09, 2011, 11:39:13 AM »
Another VS, this one a little different:




Two stacked niftys, everything else is visible. I want to enter it into RoboLeague, but Vertigo won't let me :/

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Discussion / Re: New Glitch - Hax Mode
« on: July 08, 2011, 07:24:52 PM »
You are right, but as someone pointed out, Scrap discovered it. Not only that, Click, JoeBlo and Trov have a possibility of being included, making it a "social pentagon". Finally, you are asking for info on how to do it to curb your skepticism, making it a "social hexagon".

Did Sage tell me how to do it? No. Do Click and Trov and Joe know? I doubt it. Kill has confirmed his knowledge, so that makes three members. Three. I don't know about you, but that's so far from a circle that I'm not concerned about an "elite class" posessing privileged knowledge emerging. And if asking for info in order to curb skepticism admits you to this group, then you're just as much of a member as I am, and so is everybody else who has posted in this thread.
 

If preventing newer members and other members from utilizing a glitch that allows them to be as good as (and later, possibly better) themselves isn't spiteful, It's at least hypocritical considering all the advice they've given with other glitches and building techniques.

If they keep their word and abstain from using their knowledge on a regular basis, than I don't see any hypocracy as their discovery hasn't altered the building landscape at all. If they do exploit their knowledge, however, it's not just hypocritical but also grossly unfair to the rest of us. I believe we can agree on this.
 
 
Yes it is, by proxy. Apart from ACAMS, (Who is just adding random info for people to think about) and some other guy who is derping, all of the people telling scrap and Sage to keep Hax Mode locked away from the public are using variants of this sentence: "Good job Sage and scrap! Keep it away from the newbs!"

I'm not sure you can spite someone "by proxy," but I don't really want to get into semantics. And no, they're not all variants of that sentence. I've read your post outlining arguments that are anti-release, and they read to me like some members have legitimate concerns over the future of the stock game in the event of the release of Hax Mode. Whether or not those concerns are valid is another matter. I, for one, think that some of them are. However, they all operate under the assumption that Hax Mode will be deemed legal, which is a huge oversight, IMO. I think that LiNcK made a lot of sense when he suggested that Scrap and Sage reveal it, but make it illegal.
 
 

Do you know how insane this sounds to me? If we weren't talking about elitism I'd think we were having an argument over anti-intellectualism.

Actually, no I don't.
 
 
21 pages in two days say something else.

It says people care, regardless of whether or not it affects them. I guess it's like pro sports in this sense, where no matter what the outcome, it really should have no effect on anyone.
 
 
 
 
I think that most of the community can agree on this: I think that Scrap and Sage should divulge the secrets of Hax Mode to the greater community, where we can experiment with it ourselves and draw our own conclusions. At this point, we can argue all we like about whether to keep it legal or illegalize it.
 
So, if you don't mind S32, I've humoured you now and I don't really feel the need to argue and debate any longer. We both want the info that Scrap and Sage posess, and we both think the best way to spread this information is by releasing it to the community. Fundamentally, this is all that really matters. Perhaps by taking issue with some of your arguments, I didn't make this viewpoint clear. Go ahead and have the final word in this if you like, but I'd prefer that this be the end of our little exchange. Let's just see where things go from here.

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Discussion / Re: New Glitch - Hax Mode
« on: July 06, 2011, 11:12:59 AM »
Haha, I remember that video xD

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Sonisphere Knebsworth 2011
« on: July 05, 2011, 02:10:46 PM »
Mastodon, The Mars Volta, Opeth, Killing Joke... Holy crap I wish I was going. Sounds awesome :O

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DSL TC Showcases / Re: R0B0SH4RK's DSL Showcase
« on: July 04, 2011, 11:02:06 PM »
GF - I believe S32's comment was thinly veiled sarcasm and needed no response :P

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Discussion / Re: New Glitch - Hax Mode
« on: July 04, 2011, 11:00:34 PM »
Doesn't look like it. I think he just wants to get his ant batteries closer to the burst motors, but he can't so he has to stack them.

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DSL TC Showcases / Re: R0B0SH4RK's DSL Showcase
« on: July 04, 2011, 04:44:10 PM »
Wow, it has been a while, DSL.

Unfortunately, I don't have anything too spectacular, just jumping on the IRL-bot bandwagon:


 
 
*Nostalgias* Bots like ^that are the reason I started liking DSL xD

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Stock Showcases / Re: R0B0SH4RK Stock Showcase
« on: July 04, 2011, 11:04:49 AM »
The maces protect the setup that holds on the blades. Without that apparatus, the bot falls over.

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