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2721

DSL TC Showcases / Craaig's DSL Robots!

« on: September 01, 2009, 09:26:22 AM »

Well, 5 kg or 7 kg breaking off shouldn't cost that much rocking.  I don't know have to try to see how it turns out.  Tornado/DSL might turn out better after all.

Or prehaps hex plate/tornado can also be tried.  Hex (master) is small, comes with 2000 HP, and should receive less damage than a DSL bar.

2722

DSL TC Showcases / Craaig's DSL Robots!

« on: September 01, 2009, 09:05:00 AM »

A short DSL bar will be more useful than a disc since they are lighter and do damage.

But you are right on the Vlad wheels

But it will also prove to be the weak point, considering the weapons got 6k combine HP and that DSL bar has 1800.  It runs a risk of breaking off prematurely.  So prehaps it's worth trying DSL disk with 4x DS light tooth or razor tips.  It deals more damage and you can almost be sure that 3200 HP - 4000 HP worth of weapons will break off before that disk.

2723

DSL TC Showcases / Craaig's DSL Robots!

« on: September 01, 2009, 08:56:14 AM »

It's ok, E Tek got 5000 HP, it can afford to be exposed on LW.

Tornado tooth isn't bad.  Since the weapon right now cost 36.6 kg, try using a small disk and put on 4 small DS tooth (30 kg) or 4 razor tooth (38 kg) and see if you like any of them better.

Perhaps you can also take out an Ant battery for something else.  3 should be enough to last you through the round.  Perhaps the extra 6 pounds allows you to place your wheels with vlad wheels.

Edit:  Lol Naryar beats me in saying it.

2724

Discussion / Favourite Weight Class

« on: August 31, 2009, 11:04:21 PM »

It almost feels like 800kg is too little for what I want to build, so only HW for me I guess.

2725

DSL TC Showcases / Naryar's DSL freaks

« on: August 31, 2009, 08:42:42 AM »

Midnight Turkey

I don't know why that yellow battery reminds me of turkey.

2726

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 30, 2009, 09:25:23 PM »

Anything attached to the baseplate has infinite HP, I mention that twice in the guide I think.  Perhaps I can add that on the motor section as well.  The thing is you "can" connect a beta outside of the baseplate (not in a very useful way), so for the purpose of consistency I figure I would just mention it's HP.

Copal is now spelled correctly, also fixed the mistake where I put M.O.E. as not normal, as this is not true.

As for the people who dislike my guide, no comment.  If you hate it so much, then try to get it taken off the board by an official moderator.  It's the only way you can be sure that I won't post a guide here ever again.

2727

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 30, 2009, 02:50:16 PM »

Okay so you are trolling.

2728

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 30, 2009, 01:48:32 PM »

If what you really care about is exploration and fun, you could of simply not read the guide.  But if what you really care about is to keep other people who wants these information from get it, then that's too bad.

2729

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 30, 2009, 10:57:57 AM »

THIS.

Is why I hate Runescape.

Instead of letting people experiment, we Give them guides.

I actually miss the days when I could play a game and learn by myself how to become good at it.

Last time anything like that happened was when I was 10. every game I played since has a guide for every pixel.

Hurry up, I want the cheat sheet next!

No you don't.

2730

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 29, 2009, 03:46:51 PM »

I don't know it didn't give me any problems in that regard.  It just happily installed and extracted the file.

2731

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 29, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »

Components\dualperm.txt is located in component.cfz, which you can extract.

Could be that I am reading the wrong file for Mag Snapper, but this is what "burst_small2.txt" said

Edit:  Yea I did, the actual Snapper in game is call tminussnapper.txt

name = Snapper II Burst Motor
dir = burst_small
model = burst_small1.gmf
type = mechanics
base = BurstMotor
master = bmotor_small
passthru = axle_collision
styles = Default
description = The Snapper II Burst Motor easily mounts to either the baseplate or an extender.
elecMaxInOutRate = -400
burst = 0 20 25
power = 4 5
sort = 11
hidden = 0
firesound = sounds\burstmotor_fire.wav
attachsound = sounds\cmp_generic.wav
standard = 1

2732

General Support / Anyone know the HP for the following?

« on: August 29, 2009, 03:26:02 PM »

Thanks, I just did a field test that confirms the same thing.  NPCT64 tanks like a titanium sheet, but a NPCT64 left breaks in roughly 2 hit.  I was really hoping it would be different as this is like the most imbalanced thing I ever seen.

2733

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 29, 2009, 03:23:30 PM »

FFFFUUU the newbie is making my job...

...whatever. it looks nice.

Thanks, I will update it as I find more information.  The information on motors, which I just looked into, are both interesting and sad.

2734

General Support / Anyone know the HP for the following?

« on: August 29, 2009, 12:29:25 PM »

Another question, in regard for things in "styles" folder.  If they don't have HP listed (say NPC fast for example), do they inherent the HP of it's original counterpart (12000 HP for NPC normal)?  Or do they have default HP (400 HP)?

2735

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 29, 2009, 11:50:25 AM »

Very nice. But as of all components, the stuff from the Hall of Shame can still serve a purpose if they're well protected. :D

As of now, you may include the 30kg ram plate in the Hall of Shame. XD

The Hall of Shame is part of the "extender" category, or things that are used to replace normal extenders (in particular aluminum, titanium, and steel) with.  I don't think you can use 30kg ram plate as an extender.  Perhaps I should reword it or something to make that more clear.

Although I should include the half sheet in the hall of shame(except when directly connected to base of course).

2736

Tutorials and Tips / DSL Bot Optimization Guide for Beginners

« on: August 29, 2009, 11:19:19 AM »

A Short List of Numbers for DSL
by 123savethewhales

==========================================
Introduction
==========================================

This was originally a Guide, but I decided that it's better left as a simple
list of reference for some of the more common parts.


==========================================
Index
==========================================
I. Batteries
II. Extensions
III. Motors
IV. Armors
V. Weapons
VI. Wheels

==========================================
I. Batteries
==========================================

Note: AMPs does not affect spin motors.

Ant Batteries
-------------------
6.5kg
10 AMPs (1.54 AMPs/kg)
16800 energy (2584.62 E/kg)

PN3600 (Red Pack)
-------------------
15kg
28 AMPs (1.87 AMPs/kg)
16800 energy (1120 E/kg)

WP836E (useless)
-------------------
20kg
24.5 AMP (1.23 AMPS/kg)
25200 energy (1260 E/kg)

PC545
-------------------
25kg
47.5 AMPs (1.9 AMPs/kg)
36400 energy (1456 E/kg)

PC625
-------------------
30kg
60 AMPs (2 AMPs/kg)
38500 energy (1283.33 E/kg)

CO2 Tanks (Small)
-------------------
10kg
100 pressure
500 air

CO2 Tanks (Small)
-------------------
12kg
150 pressure
1000 air

CO2 Tanks (Small)
-------------------
14kg
200 pressure
1500 air

==========================================
II. Extenders
==========================================

Note: things directly connected to chassis does not break off.

From the first multi extender, you are allow 6 more connection chain, after
which the game would not connect any further.


Key
Y/N = pass through chassis

Normal Extenders (CarbonFiber/PolyCarbonate/Aluminum/Titanium/Steel)
200 HP/kg
Y


------------------------------------------
1. Universal Extenders
------------------------------------------

DSl Disk
400 HP/kg
Y

DSL Bars 20x
270 HP/kg
Y


------------------------------------------
2. Short Extenders
------------------------------------------

40 CM Skirts (PolyConbonate/Aluminum/Titanium/Steel)
900 HP/kg and up
N

Hex Plate (excluding Master)
400 HP/kg
Y

Drum
400 HP/kg
Y

Side Panel
400 HP/kg
N

Flipper Segment
333 HP/kg
Y

Hex Plate Master
200 HP/kg
Y


------------------------------------------
3. Honorable Mention
------------------------------------------

Titanium Sheet
400 HP/kg
N


------------------------------------------
4. Fagile Extenders
------------------------------------------


T connector (100 HP)
Y connector (100 HP)
Angle connector (100 HP)
Omni connector (100 HP)
Multi extender (375 HP)
Metal hinges (400 HP)
Half Sheets (1400 HP)


------------------------------------------
5. Axle Mounts
------------------------------------------

90 degrees (1500 HP)
180/270/360 degrees (800 HP)


==========================================
III. Motors
==========================================

Note: things directly connected to chassis does not break off.


------------------------------------------
1. HP
------------------------------------------

Spin Motors
-------------------
Piglet (8000 HP)
Astroflight (800 HP)
E-Tek Catagory (5000 HP)
Slim (2500 HP)
TWM3 and TWM LX ONLY (8000 HP)
NPC T64 ONLY (12000 HP)
132 Perm Catagory (8000 HP)
132 Perm Gearbox (8000 HP)

All other motors have only 400HP. The list includes

Copal
Car Steering Category
TWM3R, TWM3RLX, TWM Drive, TWM R2, Tornado Mer Gearbox, TWM 6 Mag
NPC T64 Left, NPC T64 Right, NPC T64 Fast, NPC T64 Left Fast, NPC T64 Right Fast
80 Perm Catagory


Burst Motors
-------------------
BSG and BSGR (6000 HP) Mag Snapper II (8800 HP)
JX 2000 Large (11000 HP) Small (9000 HP)
Beta Burst Category (400 HP)


Pistons
-------------------
Storm Burst (8800 HP)
All other pistons come with 400 HP



------------------------------------------
2.  Power
------------------------------------------

Key
(MaxSpeed Acceleration PowerUsed)

Drive Motors
-------------------

Copal (14 5 -10)
Astroflight (16 12 -10)
Slim (18 14 -10)
TWM3 and XL (26 18 -10)
TWMR Drive and XL (26 22 -10)
NPC T64 Series (32 32 -10)
NPC T64 Fast Series (32 48 -10)
E-Tek Drive and XL(48 72 -10)

Weapon Motors
-------------------
Piglet (116 10 -10)
TWMR (139 16 -10)
TWMR2 (174 20 -10)
Tornado Mer Gearbox (213 29 -10)
TWM 6 Mag (245 35 -10)
E-Tek (194 22 -10)
E-Tek Dual (194 26 -10)
80 Perm (167 18 -10)
132 Perm (200 27 -10)
132 Perm Gearbox (200 68 -10)

Piston
-------------------
Storm Burst (250 300 -80)
VDMA Small (200 200 -55)
VDMA Medium (200 200 -60)
VDMA Medium 2 (200 200 -65)
VDMA Large (200 200 -70)
VDMA Large 2 (200 200 -75)

Burst
-------------------
BSG/R (0 35 60 -24.5) 1.717 e/kg
Mag Snapper (0 60 60 -45)
Large JX Burst (20 60 120 -70) 1.438 e/kg
Small JX Burst (10 45 95 -50) 1.455 e/kg
Beta Burst Spring (20 11 350 -210) 2.117 e/kg
Beta Burst Geared (unclear)



==========================================
V. Weapons
==========================================

----------------------------------------------------------------
1. What is Normal?
----------------------------------------------------------------

Normal means that a weapon have a define contact point, or that only some area
of it deals damage. Weapons without normal means weapon that deals damage
on all sides.


----------------------------------------------------------------
2. A Small Weapon List
----------------------------------------------------------------

Here is a short list of weapon that are not normal.

425 DP - Light DS Tooth (800 HP)
420 DP - Razor Tip
400 DP - Heavy DS Tooth (1500 HP)
375 DP - Hypno Tooth
330 DP - Frenzy Hammer (behaves rather strangly, use at your own risk)
326 DP - Tendaizer
320 DP - Sir Killalot Drill
300 DP - DSL Hammer Category, Sledge Hammer 30kg and 60kg, Iron Spike, Iron Fist
Lightning Spike, Tornado's Spike
280 DP - Robot X Sword
275 DP - Spike Club, Mace
250 DP - Whirlwep Disk, Beater Bar
240 DP - Typoon Spike, Steel Tooth
200 DP - Maltilda Tooth, Potter Wheel, Tazbot Weapon, EL Diablo Triple Bar,
Vlad Spike, Panic Attack Flipper
149 DP - Killdozer Plow

Others
Flamethrower - 500 HP, requires 90 pressure with full tank to be at full power
*important*
1.  Flamethrower switch need to be set to an analog control
2.  Flamethrower only activates when the flamethrower switch is held down and a
motor turned on.
3.  Once activated, flamethrower can remain at full power as long as the switch
is held down (regardless of the amount of gas remaining).


==========================================
VI. Wheels
==========================================

A short list of selected wheels and their grips (ordered based on weight)

Ant Wheel Wide - 1.2 grip
Vlad Wheel - 1.3 grip
SlipperBottom Wheel - 1.3 grip
Hypno Wheel - 1.5 grip
Bike Wheel - 1.3 grip
Techno Destructo Wheel - 2.3 grip
Big Wheel Cheese Wheel - 2.3 grip
Overkilled Wheel - 2.3 grip
Large Tread - 1.5 grip

2737

General Support / Anyone know the HP for the following?

« on: August 28, 2009, 03:28:20 PM »

Thanks a lot for the help.

2738

DSL TC Showcases / Viper's Dsl Showcase

« on: August 28, 2009, 12:13:11 PM »

Bumping the hp from 600 to 1000 for the same weight (or add 1 kg for 1600 hp).  So you basically get something for nothing

2739

General Support / Anyone know the HP for the following?

« on: August 28, 2009, 12:09:32 PM »

Thanks

In that case, I would assume that they are not very durable (Or at least, unprotected metal hinges seems to break off really fast).

2740

General Support / Anyone know the HP for the following?

« on: August 28, 2009, 09:34:49 AM »

Where do I find the value for default hitpoints?

I just want to know what they are.