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Messages - Meganerdbomb
1941
« on: February 03, 2012, 03:04:25 PM »
Hmm, actually I don't, but that's a good question.
1942
« on: February 03, 2012, 09:31:24 AM »
Scourge, you should read Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.
1943
« on: February 03, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »
That is correct. Problem? 
1944
« on: February 03, 2012, 08:08:00 AM »
Right, time for a video. =) I think it's somewhat relevant to the discussion currently going on. Should probably warn for some expletives ahead if the play button is clicked.
Seen it before. And it's pretty irrelevant to my current argument. Mr. Michin is a great comedian, but he's no philosopher. Holistic medicine really is bullsh** though.
1945
« on: February 03, 2012, 08:00:25 AM »
You would assume I was hallucinating, but you would have no basis for saying so. I could simply be capable of perceiving things that you are not, but I could never prove it to one who's perceptions are so narrow. Of course, there's also no way for me to know if I am actually perceiving God.
1946
« on: February 03, 2012, 07:53:25 AM »
If two different people see things in two different colors, how can you know what color the object actually is? What if the aliens see shapes differently? How do you know what shape it actually is? There is no way to tell the state of things as they actually exist because your perception is limited to telling how things are to you. It cannot tell you anything about things-in-themselves.
The object is the color that is reflected into the eye when light bounces off of it. But you're still using examples pertaining to senses, which god is not, does not and will/can not
If I said that I could see God? What basis would you have for telling me otherwise? You only have your own perception to go off of! The only thing you can know is that you really know nothing at all.
1947
« on: February 03, 2012, 12:00:08 AM »
I see someone else can't tell the difference between "reality" and "colour".
FTFY
Seriously though, look at the definitions of reality,
Reaility - The world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them: "he refuses to face reality". and tell me how seeing different colours counts as a different reality. By that logic people who are colour blind live in a different reality to those of us who aren't.
If two different people see things in two different colors, how can you know what color the object actually is? What if the aliens see shapes differently? How do you know what shape it actually is? There is no way to tell the state of things as they actually exist because your perception is limited to telling how things are to you. It cannot tell you anything about things-in-themselves.
1948
« on: February 02, 2012, 11:59:28 AM »
Despite the ridiculous amounts of time I spend on the Internet, I'm actualy quite well ajusted and have about an equal number of male and female friends.
1949
« on: February 02, 2012, 11:50:00 AM »
It doesn't count if you're a dyke.
1950
« on: February 02, 2012, 11:47:04 AM »
ITT: Losers who have not said more than three words to a woman at one time (excluding family members).
1951
« on: February 02, 2012, 10:23:21 AM »
I see at least one person actually gets it.
1952
« on: February 02, 2012, 10:21:01 AM »
get the **** off the internet
Bingo
1953
« on: February 02, 2012, 02:52:33 AM »
But, it would still be an entirely different reality....
1954
« on: February 02, 2012, 02:09:41 AM »
They're both quite valid, but I can use an even better one! Arguments generally need supporting evidence to be considered valid.
Say you make contact with a race of aliens who see in a different portion of the light spectrum than we do. They see a polar bear and make the assertion that the polar bear is pink. You say the polar bear is white. Who's right?
Both of us, as we are both seeing different parts of the spectrum. Yet, also neither of us as colour is just a construct of the mind.
Edit: Null point anyway, if the aliens are seeing the polar bear a different colour either:
A. The alien's brains translates wavelengths into colours differently to our brains, in which case there would be no way to know that there is a difference, let alone communicate it.
B. The aliens visible wavelength differ to our own and other light reflecting off a polar bear is interpreted by their minds into what would be pink to us, and once again, there would be know way to know or communicate the difference.
That just proves my point. You both see what you perceive to be reality, yet your perceptions of it are entirely different.
1955
« on: February 02, 2012, 12:18:08 AM »
They're both quite valid, but I can use an even better one!
Say you make contact with a race of aliens who see in a different portion of the light spectrum than we do. They see a polar bear and make the assertion that the polar bear is pink. You say the polar bear is white. Who's right?
1956
« on: February 01, 2012, 11:41:55 PM »
Remind me again how this isn't a brain-in-a-vat argument?
Because it's a brain in a cave argument. It's more than 2,000 years older than the brain in a vat argument.
1957
« on: February 01, 2012, 11:29:41 PM »
That's philosophy for you.
Congratulations on wasting everyone's time with your "you need faith in your senses" nonsense that you have no supporting arguments for.
It's only nonsense because you cannot even grasp the concept of what I am saying. Instead, you blindly cling to your own narrow perceptions. You are like the men still in the cave, who do not want to come out and see the light.
What at all in that little story of yours had to do with somebody being fooled by their senses into believing something was real when it wasn't?
Do you really need me to spell it out for you? The shadows aren't real in the truest sense because they are merely a poor copy of what truly is. YOU ARE STUCK IN THAT CAVE!
In real life we aren't stuck in a cave watching shadows on a wall, we can walk around to get a better view of things, we can feel things, we can use precise equipment to look at things on a microscopic scale, this kind of interaction with the world is far more advanced than looking at shadows on a cave wall.
But, that doesn't change the fact that your only proof that you're seeing the world as it really is is your own belief that you are doing so.
1958
« on: February 01, 2012, 11:19:11 PM »
That's philosophy for you.
Congratulations on wasting everyone's time with your "you need faith in your senses" nonsense that you have no supporting arguments for.
It's only nonsense because you cannot even grasp the concept of what I am saying. Instead, you blindly cling to your own narrow perceptions. You are like the men still in the cave, who do not want to come out and see the light.
What at all in that little story of yours had to do with somebody being fooled by their senses into believing something was real when it wasn't?
Do you really need me to spell it out for you? The shadows aren't real in the truest sense because they are merely a poor copy of what truly is. YOU ARE STUCK IN THAT CAVE!
1959
« on: February 01, 2012, 10:57:19 PM »
That's philosophy for you.
Congratulations on wasting everyone's time with your "you need faith in your senses" nonsense that you have no supporting arguments for.
It's only nonsense because you cannot even grasp the concept of what I am saying. Instead, you blindly cling to your own narrow perceptions. You are like the men still in the cave, who do not want to come out and see the light.
1960
« on: February 01, 2012, 10:33:01 PM »
That's philosophy for you.
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