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1141
« on: July 11, 2011, 03:37:42 PM »
Somehow, I am looking forward to seeing this.
1142
« on: July 11, 2011, 01:24:17 PM »
Sorry. I sent it in just now. I seem to never have time for these things. And the bot I sent was pretty half assed.
Well let's wait for Dragonfire to film the match and see what happens.
1143
« on: July 11, 2011, 01:19:06 PM »
you need stronger second wedge. At least steel skirts is recommended.
1144
« on: July 11, 2011, 05:53:18 AM »
Yup GTG missed the 1 week deadline.
1145
« on: July 09, 2011, 05:25:57 PM »
This glitch however I do not know it's level of difficulties. It is quite possible that the few bad apples can pull it off and cause a lot of unnecessary dramas.
Again, as long as some potential harm is present, with no perceivable benefit, the only rational decision is to not release. I mean, what will making things tighter do? Make HS more powerful relative to popups? God Mode with exostack? I just can't see any benefit in it.
If there is no real benefit that can be extracted by using the glitch, then exactly what drama are newcomers going to cause? It would be like someone new coming into DSL and stacking all of their components. People will tell them that they are not following the communities standards and they will either change their ways or be shunned. Likewise, if someone did use Hax Mode, the only thing they would get out of it would be a mega stacked bot that would reek of the glitch. We would tell them that competitive stock bots aren't built with the glitch and they will either abandon it or be shunned. The only thing I see changing is that we might have to take a look at how much stacking we consider tolerable (do we draw the line at 4 blacks or 3?), so that we can regulate those who are using the glitch more covertly. I think basic common sense should be enough, though perhaps not. Like I have said, this is just a part of our communities' evolution, same as when BFE and AAM came around. The community makes a decision on regulation and life goes on.
When I said benefit, I am specifically talking about the balance of the game. Certain God Mode does something, but you cease to have a playable game with that. After everything that needs to be banned gets banned, you really don't have anything left besides maybe increase the tolerance of stack, which we can agree on. Now I can see a few benefits to this glitch. Most abstractly, the glitch could better our understanding of game mechanics, and through continued testing of it possible lead to even cooler glitches and/or anomalies. I can also see it being useful (depending on how easy it is) for people to stack batteries and such (within the agreed upon limits). I mean if the glitch saves a lot of time, why not use it? In DSL, I can maybe see it being used against components with dodgy meshes (like that accursed 6-mag gearbox). So there are some possible benefits that could come from Hax Mode, and the possible cons don't seem to be severe enough to force the glitch to remain secret.
Like BFE, if you try to make specific things legal with it and other things not, you are going to end up with pages and pages of rulebooks with so much personal opinions that noone would follow them. See the "nothing outside the bot lab" rule? It's there because it's simple. The cat is put back into the bag and that's that. It's not really because BFE 2 black batteries is so game breaking per say. It's just that trying to list every single thing you can/cannot do with it lacks both creditability and objectivity. Are you going to have a vote on every single stack-able part and it's quantity? Even if you did do that. Why should any newcomer have to read through a whole book of house-rules just so a few people can stack one more black then currently possible? House rules should be simple and improve the gaming experience for almost everyone. I am almost certain that "Hax Mode Banned" will be voted for once released. The only possible benefit is "everyone pretend like it's banned but secretly use it to save time". Again I don't actually have problems with that, but you can already do that with BFE. If you can't already save time BFE, but expect to do so with this glitch, then clearly that shows the intrinsic difference in their difficulties, and why this will be more abuse-able for the "bad apples". Now sage also continuously emphasize that this is "not easier" than normally stacking. Which means that both "save time" and "bad apple" abuse doesn't hold. But again I just don't have any evidence to believe that from the videos he provided. Personally though I do believe that it will be easier for me to BFE than to glitch anything, since I know something about BFE that let's me mass copy/paste.
1146
« on: July 09, 2011, 05:07:49 PM »
Admitting it's not such a leap of innovation from Naryar's one wheel disk design, to putting flails on it. So I am sure multiple people can come up with it without cloning. Neither of us were breaking new grounds in that sense.
1147
« on: July 09, 2011, 04:52:09 PM »
It looks alright.
Some people here build IRL (In Real Life) robots, which focus on imitating real life bots rather than maximizing based on this game's mechanics. You should look into that.
1148
« on: July 09, 2011, 04:33:54 PM »
We are not breaking new grounds, we are not doing anything that isn't possible with BFE. It is simply a new "method" of doing things. This is unlike "higgs boson" where you "don't know" what will come out of it. This is stuff anyone who tap into BFE/game balance know exactly how it will be abused because they already been there and done that.
But clearly BFE hasn't caused the end of stock or DSL. It is possible that stock building may change, but in my opinion it is better to err on the side of openness then to speculate on what could happen, and use said speculation to help ensure this glitch never sees the light of day.
Well you are right about that, at the same time BFE didn't really bring anything good on the table either. No improvement to gaming experience or anything. It was simply banned. Now see the thing with BFE is that it actually has a few hidden features that makes it difficult unless you know about them, which I mentioned a few times but is never officially documented. BFE is also easy to mess up, and make the bot stop working entirely. So even though it is technically released, most people cannot do more than a few minor adjustments with it. This can explain why no "kids who registered for 2 weeks and think he's all that" is abusing it. This glitch however I do not know it's level of difficulties. It is quite possible that the few bad apples can pull it off and cause a lot of unnecessary dramas. Again, as long as some potential harm is present, with no perceivable benefit, the only rational decision is to not release. I mean, what will making things tighter do? Make HS more powerful relative to popups? God Mode with exostack? I just can't see any benefit in it.
1149
« on: July 09, 2011, 10:25:32 AM »
At least I wasn't the one who also said this. So much for flip flopping base on your personal interest at the time. The title says it all really.
Jack Daniels has made the following proposal:
I say, release it to the public and future Stock tournaments can be either:
-Stock abiding by the realistic rule (thus negating the need for any hax)
or
-Stock All In-game Glitches Allowed (probably ushering in a new era of leet bots that separate the men from the boys (and women from the girls just to include Scourge))
In the event of Hax Mode being made available to the public, I submit we undergo heavy revisions of the non realistic stock mode.
Please post your proposed revisions for tournaments here. I will make a poll on the 4th of july, 2011.
I think I can find a quote of you defending exactly the opposite of everything you said, and I won't even be quoting out of context.
1150
« on: July 09, 2011, 10:02:20 AM »
So you are still missing the point that this is just a method to do everything that can already been done? That it doesn't bring anything good or new? Nevertheless Sage and Scrap Daddy should not release a Guide to this method for the following reason. nonetheless, People should have a chance to play and discover by themselves, as you had done. Not refer to a guide.
So there, people should figure out the method themselves.
1151
« on: July 09, 2011, 09:47:17 AM »
And then we ask, what "good" would it bring if at best it will be banned, and at worst abused to the point of eliminating the last bit of diversity, and we see that releasing this brings nothing good to the community at all. Any negative will out weight the 0 positive that this provides. That's not to say I don't personally want to know anyway. Hey, If you really want to see where my anti-intellectualism comparison comes from, pretend this here quote is about Higgs boson/the fourth chemical in orb-weaving spider silk/cultural habits of Crows/Scientific experiment X.
I see how it is a bad comparison. This is much more like rather we should make modern nuclear and missile technology public. Knowing exactly what it's abilities are and how a few bad apples like North Korea might just build an ICBM with it. We are not breaking new grounds, we are not doing anything that isn't possible with BFE. It is simply a new "method" of doing things. This is unlike "higgs boson" where you "don't know" what will come out of it. This is stuff anyone who tap into BFE/game balance know exactly how it will be abused because they already been there and done that.
1152
« on: July 09, 2011, 09:38:57 AM »
Lol I need to get foods and toys for a dollar and change.
1153
« on: July 09, 2011, 07:55:56 AM »
I see age isnt a factor when it comes to who goes off topic :P
People are having way too much hypothetical discussion of what "some people" would do when this gets released anyway. Now you can see first hand. I am beginning to think that the whole fear of releasing is not without reason. I mean the moment S32 goes off on elitism, anti-intellectualism, and how not releasing this glitch is like raping babies I knew something must be wrong. Even if a vast majority of the community is responsible, A few bad apples and hiccups should still exist. And then we ask, what "good" would it bring if at best it will be banned, and at worst abused to the point of eliminating the last bit of diversity, and we see that releasing this brings nothing good to the community at all. Any negative will out weight the 0 positive that this provides. That's not to say I don't personally want to know anyway.
1154
« on: July 09, 2011, 03:36:19 AM »
1155
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:33:48 AM »
Ben is Listed as 12 on his profile. Jonzu is listed as 15 but then he acts like 12 most of the time.
1156
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:31:24 AM »
stay tuned.
Oh good god save the children.
Lol the children of GTM include Sparkey, Fotepx, GTG, Hard Bot, Ben Purse, Jonzu, etc. So good luck with that next time you have a conversation with God.
Am I really that bad?
I didn't say anything about bad. I was just making a list of children here from my head.
1157
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:26:25 AM »
stay tuned.
Oh good god save the children.
Lol the children of GTM include Sparkey, Fotepx, GTG, Hard Bot, Ben Purse, Jonzu, etc. So good luck with that next time you have a conversation with God.
1158
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:19:39 AM »
The only reason the "in the bot lab" was even introduce is precisely for the level of restrictions it provides. If "in the bot lab" become unrestricted then obviously we need a new rule to replace that.
As a purely balance issue, a game is "worsen" when diversity is destroyed. Stacking every single thing into 1 point will surely have this effect.
1159
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:02:49 AM »
Well if he don't send something without cheats within the next 2 days, I am going to get a default win.
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« on: July 09, 2011, 12:46:13 AM »
Well Antenna can do it sometimes. Even if you can't sweep, de-weapon still works. It just needs to be armored enough.
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