Author Topic: The General Chatter Thread. (Read 1645222 times)

Scourge of teh Galaxy · « **Reply #21940 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:20:13 PM »

Online in RPG/combat/RTS/TBS/puzzle = useless little addon that amounts to very little

Online in FPS = Excuse to say it has storyline (In my opinion. You don't see Die Hard Vendetta boasting a multiplayer mode, do you? And yet it has a good storyline)

Natef · « **Reply #21941 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:21:52 PM »

How is it an excuse?

Meganerdbomb · « **Reply #21942 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:23:24 PM »

Some games have online, some don't. I'm pretty sure nobody would buy an FPS that didn't support online multiplayer, but other games, like Fallout, provide hundreds of hours of gameplay without it. You can't really have Multiplayer in a game like Fallout 3.

Scourge of teh Galaxy · « **Reply #21943 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:21:52 PM

How is it an excuse?

Because something like Call of Duty will go "Come to us, we have online", basically saying it's on the same level as an MMO

Quote from: Meganerdbomb on October 20, 2011, 02:23:24 PM

I'm pretty sure nobody would buy an FPS that didn't support online multiplayer

Die Hard Vendetta

Natef · « **Reply #21944 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:25:18 PM »

Quote from: Scourge of teh Galaxy on October 20, 2011, 02:24:03 PM

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:21:52 PM
How is it an excuse?
Because something like Call of Duty will go "Come to us, we have online", basically saying it's on the same level as an MMO

So having a single-player trailer is nothing?

Meganerdbomb · « **Reply #21945 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:26:01 PM »

I've never heard of this Die Hard Vendetta. I rest my case.

Natef · « **Reply #21946 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:27:48 PM »

That game got bad reviews.

Chaosmancer · « **Reply #21947 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:28:24 PM »

Because CoD seems to be centred around online with a rather flimsy plot and saying 'ooh look, shiny online, levels and stuff too, go there' Whereas TWEWY goes 'Right, you finished the first week, here, have another, finish the second, have another, finish the third, have an extra day for comedy, also, have these reports to collect too to unlock the rest of the backstory'. Final Fantasy has thick plot rather than online. FPSs do mostly focus online, but it depends on how long the plot is. Gears of War has a rather long plot, as well as rather good multiplayer, horde, and then beast mode as well, but the kicker for GoW is that the campaign is multiplayer too. Deus Ex has no online, and yet it still has quite a good story mode.

In short; don't disregard games with no online.

Besides, online accounts for 2/3 of CoD due to the lack of storyline...

Natef · « **Reply #21948 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:29:43 PM »

I'm still confused how you are saying it doesn't have a storyline.

Scourge of teh Galaxy · « **Reply #21949 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:32:50 PM »

War games, zombie apocalypse and the like are overused storylines that border cliche (Just like RPGs have the "Let's go save the world even though we're only 10 and didn't sign up for this", which pisses me off). So, instead of thinking up something different, they slap an online tag on it and suddenly everyone wants it.

It's marketability, but it sucks, imo. But I don't see the point to online

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:27:48 PM

That game got bad reviews.

Reviews aren't everything. I loved it

Quote from: Chaosmancer on October 20, 2011, 02:28:24 PM

Whereas TWEWY goes 'Right, you finished the first week, here, have another, finish the second, have another, finish the third, have an extra day for comedy, also, have these reports to collect too to unlock the rest of the backstory'

and 9H9P9D goes "Welcome to this game. You have nine hours to live. Anybody could be your enemy, and nothing is ever what it seems. Oh, and go through Door 3, it's PRETTY~<3"

...then you get mindraped for being stupid

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:29:43 PM

I'm still confused how you are saying it doesn't have a storyline.

How many hours can you spend at Story Mode before completing it? 10? 20 at most.

TWEWY took me 35 hours to complete, I got bored of Pokemon Black after 103 hours, and even GS:DD took me 25-ish hours

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #21950 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:34:30 PM »

It has a weak storyline and so producers simply add online as supposed "extra content" when in reality you do the same thing over and over again.

Chaosmancer · « **Reply #21951 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:35:45 PM »

Well, by 'has storyline', we kind of mean an in depth one that gives characters a meaningful backstory, rather than 'here's a guy, he is you' and the later on going 'Remember that this guy is you? Well now you get to die in first person, unless your name is Soap'. Plus a storyline that is longer than about 10-15 hours. Although I suppose that it does appeal to some people, and people who look in enough depth will notice things others don't.

So, as a conclusion, this falls to personal opinion again.

Natef · « **Reply #21952 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:38:59 PM »

So that is the reason why playing online increases the entire longevity of the game.

Seeing as though most good games have some sort of a multiplayer experience, not having online is taking away half of the game.

So if you don't have PSN on the PS3, you are not getting the full experience.

Scourge of teh Galaxy · « **Reply #21953 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:43:56 PM »

It doesn't take away half of the game, it takes away some of the game. Not even I can deny that, as some isn't a set amount

Chaosmancer · « **Reply #21954 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:38:59 PM

So that is the reason why playing online increases the entire longevity of the game.

Seeing as though most good games have some sort of a multiplayer experience, not having online is taking away half of the game.

So if you don't have PSN on the PS3, you are not getting the full experience.

Not really taking away 'half a game'. If a game has no online, you haven't lost half a game if there was not really any way to implement online play. If online play is poorly implemented, then you are going to be pissed off that it even came into existence which will take away from the game. Online only adds to a game when it is well implemented, and the game doesn't have that long a storyline.

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that in some cases, having online play is an afterthought, and if it wasn't there in the first place, people wouldn't really care if it was gone. In order to 'take away half a game' it needs to be in the game to start off with.

Natef · « **Reply #21955 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:47:23 PM »

Quote from: Chaosmancer on October 20, 2011, 02:45:57 PM

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:38:59 PM
So that is the reason why playing online increases the entire longevity of the game.

Seeing as though most good games have some sort of a multiplayer experience, not having online is taking away half of the game.

So if you don't have PSN on the PS3, you are not getting the full experience.

Not really taking away 'half a game'. If a game has no online, you haven't lost half a game if there was not really any way to implement online play.

Well, that's pretty obvious, dude.

madman3 · « **Reply #21956 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Natef on October 20, 2011, 02:38:59 PM

So that is the reason why playing online increases the entire longevity of the game.

Seeing as though most good games have some sort of a multiplayer experience, not having online is taking away half of the game.

So if you don't have PSN on the PS3, you are not getting the full experience.

So if I was a Bethesda fan and played Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3, would I be missing the full experience?

I'm not sure if you noticed, but playing with real friends which you actually know is quite fun. Nothing like so good old split screen for Goldeneye.

Also, what if a game is entirely single polayer oriented? I'm not sure if you noticed, but many of the very best games of all time aren't multi-player at all. KOTOR, Half-Life 2, Metroid Prime, none of them have multi player.

Natef · « **Reply #21957 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:57:22 PM »

No, you wouldn't be losing the full experience. I did not say anything about only singleplayer games, so that is out of the question.

smashysmashy · « **Reply #21958 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:01:01 PM »

Can I put my opinion in?

For all the people that baww about online takes away the game, Play a sandbox game that always keeps you entertained.

Although, having said that; some people have the attention span of a rocking horse, so just can't be arsed.

madman3 · « **Reply #21959 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:02:10 PM »

Okay, but what makes Online better than Split Screen, other than the availability of players? I simply can't see why online is such a big thing, considering all the lag and so on involved.