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Off-Topic => Off-Topic Discussion => Topic started by: 09090901 on October 31, 2019, 06:58:59 PM
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flat motors are cancer and are partially responsible for why verts are so strong. it's far too easy to build a dual vert with no compromises compared to perms/eteks.
top hinges are also cancer and are far more powerful than their burst motors suggest
thanks for listening to my ted talk. feel free to argue in the comments
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Wtf nobody was exposed 0/10
Top hingers are wack
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Literally what I've been saying for the past year and a half tbh
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Wtf nobody was exposed 0/10
Top hingers are wack
wasn't hop supposed to be starting toxic vert watch
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its almost like cheating is good
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:(
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so a few thoughts on some of the suggestions for the flat:
- banning the flat outright would obviously be the ideal solution, but its far too much of a crutch for a lot of people to agree with
- i also don't think people will accept a weight increase as it would push some of their bots over the weight-limit
- yes i realize this would also affect things like drums and lower weight spinners (**** them tbh)
- a statistical nerf would probably be the best way forwards with how dependent the community is on it. i've tried various bots (eom, rorscach, etc) with various nerfed flat motors around piglet to twm levels, and while they are noticeably less damaging, they are by no means completely inept at fighting. it also encourages people to either use either stronger motors to self right, or have a dedicated srimech as the motors usually aren't strong enough for bots to crawl around on their disks
- while i do think some of the weapon motors could use some tweaking, unless you buff all of them to the point where the meta is even more ****ed up, i don't think that buffing the other motors would reduce flatmotor usage. the flat would still probably remain the top choice for gutrippers due to its weight, size, and hp, as well as that more powerful motors really wouldn't be worth it for them unless they're absurdly powerful. ofc banning the flat would solve this, but i don't think that's something that's possible rn. also, i dont think 2.2 component and chassis hp is adequate for stronger motors, but that's for another discussion
- personally at this point i would be fine with outright banning the flatmotor, but i recongize that its gonna be a long slow process and that not everyone wants to go the full distance
feel free to agree or disagree, you do you
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I don't see the sense in banning the flatmotor when its issues are easily fixed with a quick nerf. A stats nerf to between the piglet and TWMR seems like a good solution (may as well make it a non-CB2 component while we're at it). This would make the piglet obsolete (like it isn't already) so I think the weight of that should be decreased to below that of the flat to compensate if we've decided to not increase the flat's weight.
Another solution would be as above, but create a new flatmotor version with increased weight and nerfed power (between piglet and twmr), with the old version being hidden as a compatibility version, only allowed to be used on pre-nerf bots. Maybe colour it differently so it's easy for hosts to check if people are cheating with it. This would make more sense purely in balance terms as the flatmotor is larger than the piglet, so it doesn't really make sense for it to be lighter or weaker.
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Even though I own a robot abusive of this, I support the ban of the flatmotor, maybe we could buff other motors while we're at it or allow other CB2 motors like the Moe motor
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Tbh we all need belted flats
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Tbh we all need belted flats
top 10 Croat moments right here
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in regards to buffing motors, most of the current motors aren't capable of hitting their actual max speeds with anything besides small vert setups. as such, I wouldn't increase the max speed, if anything, I would drop it on things like perms as a trade off for more torque. in theory it would make wedgeless spinners like offset hs and nightmare style vs slightly more useable (although you can argue if this is a good thing), while also nerfing gutripper spin speed.
tbh though, i wouldn't bother for now. at least not until we can agree on a flat change
and yes I know that means you could use some of them as drive motors, but tbh they're always going to be less efficient than npc fasts with 48 torque
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in regards to buffing motors, most of the current motors aren't capable of hitting their actual max speeds with anything besides small vert setups. as such, I wouldn't increase the max speed, if anything, I would drop it on things like perms as a trade off for more torque. in theory it would make wedgeless spinners like offset hs and nightmare style vs slightly more useable (although you can argue if this is a good thing), while also nerfing gutripper spin speed.
tbh though, i wouldn't bother for now. at least not until we can agree on a flat change
and yes I know that means you could use some of them as drive motors, but tbh they're always going to be less efficient than npc fasts with 48 torque
Tbh if anyone wants to try perm rammers they can go right ahead as long as great f*ck off verts work as intended
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What if you forced flatmotor bots to be lighter, kinda like how walkers are allowed to be heavier. It’d just be the other side of the spectrum.
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Isnt there a speed threshold before the game engine craps out completely?
Like 400 or something
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competitive irl is a such a joke
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competitive irl is a such a joke
True
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a wise man once said:
ra2 is the most broken ****ing game
either accept that and stop pretending like its supposed to be a half decent simulator or abandon it
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All the more reason to play Robot Rumble (sorry, had to plug in)
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competitive irl is a such a joke
can krude oil rise back up
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a wise man once said:
ra2 is the most broken ****ing game
either accept that and stop pretending like its supposed to be a half decent simulator or abandon it
isn't it ironic then, to still play a meta based on simulating IRL machines while simultaneously accepting that the medium you're using for that is broken af and a horrible simulation of reality ?
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a wise man once said:
ra2 is the most broken ****ing game
either accept that and stop pretending like its supposed to be a half decent simulator or abandon it
isn't it ironic then, to still play a meta based on simulating IRL machines while simultaneously accepting that the medium you're using for that is broken af and a horrible simulation of reality ?
no
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a wise man once said:
ra2 is the most broken ****ing game
either accept that and stop pretending like its supposed to be a half decent simulator or abandon it
isn't it ironic then, to still play a meta based on simulating IRL machines while simultaneously accepting that the medium you're using for that is broken af and a horrible simulation of reality ?
nah because im playing 2 just have fun with some lads, not to be competitive
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Sephy won't accept it and just **** and move on
:(
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Sephy won't accept it and just **** and move on
:(
when are you rejoining pws
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Sephy won't accept it and just **** and move on
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when are you rejoining pws
Call me code pink and get sephy to shag, then I'll rejoin
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what does sephy have to do with any of this
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what does sephy have to do with any of this
Robo says "if they just shag all this will be over" whenever we have our daily sh**fit
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love him or hate him
he spitting straight facts
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what does sephy have to do with any of this
Robo says "if they just shag all this will be over" whenever we have our daily sh**fit
I said that because you two were dragging your retarded sh** into gwars
And now you've dragged that retarded sh** here too
Great job retard
thanks for the support! we will incorporate this feedback into the next version of
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I said that because you two were dragging your retarded sh** into gwars
And now you've dragged that retarded sh** here too
Great job retard
thanks for the support! we will incorporate this feedback into the next version of *removed for dumb nonsense*
Can you stop acting like an idiot everywhere you go for once Code? Grow up. Carry on spouting mindless drivel and I'll mute you.
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All we need now is for Hop to swoop into this thread and accuse everyone of touching kids
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All we need now is for Hop to swoop into this thread and accuse everyone of touching kids
stfu nonce heck
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I said that because you two were dragging your retarded sh** into gwars
And now you've dragged that retarded sh** here too
Great job retard
thanks for the support! we will incorporate this feedback into the next version of *removed for dumb nonsense*
Can you stop acting like an idiot everywhere you go for once Code? Grow up. Carry on spouting mindless drivel and I'll mute you.
Aight Mr Orc I'm boutta head out
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Yo orc if you need a silent assassin to kill people you can hmu
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i just want to thank this chat for giving me motivation to use my garrote.
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i just want to thank this chat for giving me motivation to use my garrote.
ladies and gentlemen, we've found epstein's killer
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i just want to thank this chat for giving me motivation to use my garrote.
ladies and gentlemen, we've found epstein's killer
Epstein DEFINITELY killed himself
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competitive irl is a such a joke
obviously anything posted in a thread titled "real facts" can't be wrong now can it
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This topic is so pointless unless you guys actually do something to change it.
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This topic is so pointless unless you guys actually do something to change it.
It's just sh**posting
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This topic is so pointless unless you guys actually do something to change it.
It's just sh**posting
And Orc nearly ripped your dick off.
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This topic is so pointless unless you guys actually do something to change it.
It's just sh**posting
And Orc nearly ripped your dick off.
erm.......... weird analogy but ok
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competitive irl is a such a joke
obviously anything posted in a thread titled "real facts" can't be wrong now can it
competitive anything in ra2 is a joke
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Here are some ‘real facts’
- baloney is just hotdog pancakes
- I was born at a young age
- foreplay is just the scenic route to sex.
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Real Fact:
This sentence is false
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the official ra2 tier list
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228400876497272832/646848367845965845/Screenshot_2019-11-20-18-04-22.jpg)
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the official ra2 tier list
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228400876497272832/646848367845965845/Screenshot_2019-11-20-18-04-22.jpg)
Like: Jeff The Killer, Vox, F1Krazy.
Neutral: ... Mystic?
Genuinely disgusting creatures from the abyss: Everyone else, ya'll whack
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the official ra2 tier list
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228400876497272832/646848367845965845/Screenshot_2019-11-20-18-04-22.jpg)
Shut up ethan
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When are we getting a GTM tier list, code?
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When are we getting a GTM tier list, code?
I guess I'll do one in the near future
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Man, I havent been here in about a year and were still using flatmotors...eww :puke: :puke:
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Here is what I think, about the bulding styles :
:thumbup Stock : It may don't have the variety or the balance of the DSL, but it's still cool. But some noobs/newbies can find it too hard, cos of the stacking, snapper loading and stuff.
:thumbup Stock noob level on purpose (but not stock IRL, it sux) : I'm OK with it, even some times I make a noob tournaments vs a noob AI or vs friends (they are noobs).
:thumbup DSL normal/standard : I'm not playing it, but I do respect it. If I ever build DSL, it will be the standard DSL. I remember the days, when all the members were building the both - DSL standard and stock, and it was cool. It just turns out, that even with the tries to balance it, in the end, some components are just better, like in stock, and I understand this, but I love stock with his unbalanced components, so the liking of DSL-S is not a problem.
:thumbdown DSL IRL : The so called DSL-easy mode. The fact > , that my bots must be judged by a GTM members are they IRL or not, or a judges have to decide did I won or not, > alienates me from the IRL DSL. This is a game, the RA2 engine don't have the phisics of the real world, so if someone want to play something VERY realistic, then a real bot building in a garage is more recomended, but it's expensive tho.
:popcorn DSL 3 beta, Nar AI, 123's new TC and so on : not yet released/in a beta stage, so I can't comment them.
:thumbup Replica building : I'm OK with it, I even made 1 replica in stock long time ago.
Also, IMO, if you build stock, it makes you a better/hardcore builder overall ('cos stock is hard to build), so it makes the building easy later, when you move to the easier any DSL, but if you start with any DSL in the begining, later the stock will look very hard for you.
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This is so sad can we make my custom bots a real meta
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Real facts
Easily baited
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Real facts
Easily baited
Yo J, how u been man?
Here is what I think, about the bulding styles :
:thumbup Stock : It may don't have the variety or the balance of the DSL, but it's still cool. But some noobs/newbies can find it too hard, cos of the stacking, snapper loading and stuff.
:thumbup Stock noob level on purpose (but not stock IRL, it sux) : I'm OK with it, even some times I make a noob tournaments vs a noob AI or vs friends (they are noobs).
:thumbup DSL normal/standard : I'm not playing it, but I do respect it. If I ever build DSL, it will be the standard DSL. I remember the days, when all the members were building the both - DSL standard and stock, and it was cool. It just turns out, that even with the tries to balance it, in the end, some components are just better, like in stock, and I understand this, but I love stock with his unbalanced components, so the liking of DSL-S is not a problem.
:thumbdown DSL IRL : The so called DSL-easy mode. The fact > , that my bots must be judged by a GTM members are they IRL or not, or a judges have to decide did I won or not, > alienates me from the IRL DSL. This is a game, the RA2 engine don't have the phisics of the real world, so if someone want to play something VERY realistic, then a real bot building in a garage is more recomended, but it's expensive tho.
:popcorn DSL 3 beta, Nar AI, 123's new TC and so on : not yet released/in a beta stage, so I can't comment them.
:thumbup Replica building : I'm OK with it, I even made 1 replica in stock long time ago.
Also, IMO, if you build stock, it makes you a better/hardcore builder overall ('cos stock is hard to build), so it makes the building easy later, when you move to the easier any DSL, but if you start with any DSL in the begining, later the stock will look very hard for you.
Everybody just forgot about Ironforge, huh?
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was ironforge even out when venko wrote that
edit: i'm going with no, since he doesnt even refer to it by name and says it's in a beta stage