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Title: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Hard Bot on November 25, 2011, 08:52:11 PM
There are a lot of that which gets on my nerves.
Justin Bieber
Jonas Brothers
High School Musical
Taylor Swift
Kings of Leon
Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana
Lady Gaga
Ke$a
Eminem
Katie Perry
Sugarland
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Mr. AS on November 25, 2011, 09:00:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5SNOAcD3ak#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5SNOAcD3ak#ws)
ew
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: MassimoV on November 25, 2011, 09:04:31 PM
Aerosmith is pretty overated in my eyes.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: GoldenFox93 on November 25, 2011, 09:10:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5SNOAcD3ak#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5SNOAcD3ak#ws)
ew
I remember that one...even I sing better than that when I'm in the shower.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Badnik96 on November 25, 2011, 09:24:53 PM
Big Time Rush
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: MassimoV on November 25, 2011, 10:16:51 PM
I think that nickelodian makes a too big of a deal of them. I never heard of anyone liking them. Anybody recently who have preformed on Disney channel recently are way too contrived.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 26, 2011, 03:47:54 AM
Metallica :trollface

Or Slayer.
Cannibal Corpse, Opeth, Darkthrone, Machine Head (currently experiencing their strongest point in their career but really not that good IMO, at least at the moment. Burn My Eyes still rules), Dimmu Borgir, Children Of Bodom, Behemoth, Decapitated, Evile (although their last album is awesome), Necrophagist (musical wankery at its worst), Periphery, Chimp Spanner and Nile are all also extremely overrated quite regularly.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: 090901 on November 28, 2011, 01:04:05 AM
Any kind of dubstep.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 28, 2011, 01:07:19 AM
ITT: People post popular bands/singers that they personally dislike.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Chaosmancer on November 28, 2011, 01:23:08 AM
I'm still trying to think of what 'overrated' could mean in this context... although, if it's what I think it is, then Justin Bieber is overrated because he doesn't write his own lyrics, he doesn't write his own music, and, from what I've heard, he sings with auto-tune.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 28, 2011, 01:25:32 AM
Basically it boils down to "bands that you think other people like too much."
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Chaosmancer on November 28, 2011, 01:36:21 AM
Oh, so not in a sense of 'they have no talent but are liked anyway'? Somehow I don't think that I can think of any bands that I think people like too much.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on November 28, 2011, 01:40:31 AM
Metallica. And Slayer. Most thrash metal too. I don't really think "overrated" can be directly applied to "popular" music (like Bieber, Lady Gaga, etc.), but what really gets me is when guys like Hammett and Mustaine are christened among the "greatest" guitarests of all time. Dunno why, but this really bothers me, especially since I don't think their music is that good.

*Waits for someone to say "Mastodon" in response* - although I'd be kinda inclined to agree at this point. While I still love their earlier stuff, and even Crack the Skye, their newest album wasn't really that great.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Chaosmancer on November 28, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Well, I was using 'Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity' when I said Bieber (hence me using the reasons I used).

My friend does think that Metallica are severely overrated for what they are (I can't remember his reasoning, but I do know that he knows a heck of a lot more about music than I do)
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Lupus on November 29, 2011, 10:26:40 AM
Oasis.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: smashysmashy on November 29, 2011, 10:37:55 AM
Oasis.
Liam = yes.
Noel = heck no.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 29, 2011, 10:50:26 AM
Metallica. And Slayer. Most thrash metal too. I don't really think "overrated" can be directly applied to "popular" music (like Bieber, Lady Gaga, etc.), but what really gets me is when guys like Hammett and Mustaine are christened among the "greatest" guitarests of all time. Dunno why, but this really bothers me, especially since I don't think their music is that good.

*Waits for someone to say "Mastodon" in response* - although I'd be kinda inclined to agree at this point. While I still love their earlier stuff, and even Crack the Skye, their newest album wasn't really that great.
What's funny is that I prefer much of Hunters to their previous works.

And damn you for guessing what I was going to post :P
But I would disagree with "Most Thrash Metal". While Metallica has been on the wain for a very long time and Slayer's best records are the ones nobody actually listens to (Seasons In The Abyss and South Of Heaven), I feel that bands like Testament, Exodus, Overkill, Kreator and Destruction (at least pre 2003 in the case of the latter) all have had a resurgence and are comparatively unknown compared to modern metal bands and all of them successfully mix melody(especially Testament) and technicality(especially Destruction). Then you have all those bands like Heathen, Toxik, Tankard, Metal Church and so on which are all extremely good (at least in my opinion; I know you're more of a sludge/doom/stoner kinda guy; I still dig the good Cathedral song occasionally :P)
Couple of examples of the good end of thrash:

And Mustaine and Hammett suck. Really, while I liked the former a while back I dislike how overrated they are compared to guitarists like Jeff Loomis or Rob Jarzombek. (@R0B0: Did you buy Joel McIver's book on the subject of best metal guitar players?)

Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Skiitzzox220 on November 29, 2011, 11:12:44 AM
Yay more music debates [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on November 29, 2011, 11:15:56 AM
Metallica. And Slayer. Most thrash metal too.

2 of the Big 4. :/

Anyway, I can see where you're coming from with Metallica (I love them though), and I didn't like Slayer much. IMO, Anthrax are my favourites in that catergory.

Also, overated is The Beatles. Some good songs, but just not as good as people say they are. I liked George Harrison though.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Skiitzzox220 on November 29, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
Anything played on pop based radios
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on November 29, 2011, 11:20:28 AM
Kill me for this but Iron Maiden
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 29, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
Yay more music debates [/sarcasm]
*Insert random biased stuff about why deathcore sucks here*
O wait.

Suicide Silence, Whitechapel, Diskreet, Carnifex, Son Of Aurelius, Woe Of The Tyrants, Abysmal Dawn, Job For A Cowboy, Design The Skyline, As Blood Runs Black, My Bitter End, Sikth, Pathology, Annotations Of An Autopsy, Hour Of Penance, Discarnate, The Bridal Process, Chelsea Grin, The Last Felony, And Hell Followed With..., Nightshade, Oceano, Emmure, The Black Dahlia Murder, The Faceless (though not nearly as disgraceful as some of the others on this list), All Shall Perish, Divine Heresy, Bleed From Within, Dying Fetus (though probably the best band here and is more inspired than any of the others; more like Death-Grind rather than Death-Core), Miss May 1, The Eyes Of A Traitor, Trigger The Bloodshed, Hester Prynn, War Of Ages, Gwen Stacy, Oh-Sleeper, Sea Of Treachery, Your Demise, Misery Signals, It Dies Today, Destroy The Runner, Bury Your Dead, Goodbye To Freeway, The Human Obstract, Born Of Osiris, Veil Of Maya (named after a damn good song though the band sucks), Winds Of Plague, Within The Ruins, All That Remains, After The Burial, Benea Reach, Caliban, Dr.Acula, I Declare War, Killwitneydead, Bring Me The Horizon, Thy Art Is Murder, Impending Doom, The Red Shore, Attila, Salt The Wound, Greeley Estates, We Butter The Bread, Chimaira, Unearth, Shadows Fall, Parkway Drive, Darkest Hour, August Burns Red, Killswitch Engage, Hatebreed, Asking Alexandria, The Devil Wears Prada, A Day To Remember, Adept, Escape The Fate, Underoath, Demon Hunter, DevilDriver, Haste The Day, We Came As Romans, Heaven Shall Burn, Times Of Grace, Kataklysm, Blinded Colony.

All core of various forms.

U mad, Skiit? :trollface
Kill me for this but Iron Maiden
Some of their stuff genuinely sucks (pretty much all their 90s output; Number of the Beast is also overrated, as is their most recent album).
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: G.K. on November 29, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
The Smiths
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 29, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Dream Theater  :trollface
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Jonzu95 on November 29, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
Megadeth.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 29, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
Megadeth.
They are definitely overrated though I think they're still a good band and have great albums every now and then.

New album though, brrr.....
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Badnik96 on November 29, 2011, 02:37:40 PM
Gwen Stacy

They really named a deathcore band after a Spiderman character?

also, Nickelback :trollface
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Mr. AS on November 29, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
also, Nickelback :trollface
"LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH"


also i don't like miley cyrus/hannah montana
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 29, 2011, 02:47:22 PM
Gwen Stacy

They really named a deathcore band after a Spiderman character?

Yup. Then again, when you name a band Dr.Acula I think you're a bit out of loop. It's a little too funny how poor some of the deathcore band names are.




Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: haz on November 29, 2011, 02:57:30 PM
all bands are over rated, just becuse you can play some instument or sing, you think you are better than me??


ah okay, it turns out you are, shut up and take my money....
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: TeamXtreemer on November 29, 2011, 02:58:32 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles)

Everyone on there.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Skiitzzox220 on November 30, 2011, 03:54:49 AM
Yay more music debates [/sarcasm]
*Insert random biased stuff about why deathcore sucks here*
O wait.

Suicide Silence, Whitechapel, Diskreet, Carnifex, Son Of Aurelius, Woe Of The Tyrants, Abysmal Dawn, Job For A Cowboy, Design The Skyline, As Blood Runs Black, My Bitter End, Sikth, Pathology, Annotations Of An Autopsy, Hour Of Penance, Discarnate, The Bridal Process, Chelsea Grin, The Last Felony, And Hell Followed With..., Nightshade, Oceano, Emmure, The Black Dahlia Murder, The Faceless (though not nearly as disgraceful as some of the others on this list), All Shall Perish, Divine Heresy, Bleed From Within, Dying Fetus (though probably the best band here and is more inspired than any of the others; more like Death-Grind rather than Death-Core), Miss May 1, The Eyes Of A Traitor, Trigger The Bloodshed, Hester Prynn, War Of Ages, Gwen Stacy, Oh-Sleeper, Sea Of Treachery, Your Demise, Misery Signals, It Dies Today, Destroy The Runner, Bury Your Dead, Goodbye To Freeway, The Human Obstract, Born Of Osiris, Veil Of Maya (named after a damn good song though the band sucks), Winds Of Plague, Within The Ruins, All That Remains, After The Burial, Benea Reach, Caliban, Dr.Acula, I Declare War, Killwitneydead, Bring Me The Horizon, Thy Art Is Murder, Impending Doom, The Red Shore, Attila, Salt The Wound, Greeley Estates, We Butter The Bread, Chimaira, Unearth, Shadows Fall, Parkway Drive, Darkest Hour, August Burns Red, Killswitch Engage, Hatebreed, Asking Alexandria, The Devil Wears Prada, A Day To Remember, Adept, Escape The Fate, Underoath, Demon Hunter, DevilDriver, Haste The Day, We Came As Romans, Heaven Shall Burn, Times Of Grace, Kataklysm, Blinded Colony.

All core of various forms.

U mad, Skiit? :trollface
I actually agree with you for about half of those bands
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Pwnator on November 30, 2011, 05:43:29 AM
No idea why SikTh, The Faceless, The Human Abstract and probably Born of Osiris are overrated, at least half of their songs are actually that good.

And although I like Misery Signals and After the Burial, sadly they've become overrated once they entered the djent scene.

ALSO WHY THE HELL IS EMMURE OVERRATED IT WAS NEVER GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 30, 2011, 06:28:25 AM
No idea why SikTh, The Faceless, The Human Abstract and probably Born of Osiris are overrated, at least half of their songs are actually that good.

And although I like Misery Signals and After the Burial, sadly they've become overrated once they entered the djent scene.

ALSO WHY THE HELL IS EMMURE OVERRATED IT WAS NEVER GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE
Unfortunately, Emmure has fans. Somehow.

The Faceless is definitely overrated. People really hail Planetary Duality as a brilliant album, but while it is indeed excellent it isn't amazing or revolutionary. I found Beyond Creations debut to be more fulfilling.
Born Of Osiris isn't that great from my personal experience. Technical, but not amazing. I can understand the appeal, of course, but I dislike it.
Sikth is okay but sits in the same territory as other proggressive core bands like Protest The Hero (who I forgot on my list), which generally means that it has advantages in time signatures but not in terms of originality with riffs and drums. That's pretty much the basis for me disliking a lot of core bands. Really, SiKth isn't particularly overrated IMO but I find that they aren't as good as they could be, and the mathcore aspect that is sometimes applied does not add to the music.
Human Abstract is good but really suffers from being the least original in terms of playing out of the set you chose, and they tend to use chugged riffs in time with double bass drumming far too much.

Well, at least they're all better than Aliases.

Originality is a problem in terms of songwriting for those bands more than anything. While some examples are fairly memorable I found that too many are too technically focused. It's what keeps me from liking a lot of modern death metal as well; they simply take too much influence from other bands.

Really that list is more of a joke anyway (well other than the deathcore examples).
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: martymidget on November 30, 2011, 07:35:43 AM
80% of bands that kerrang mag mentions.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 30, 2011, 07:46:19 AM
80% of bands that kerrang mag mentions.
Kerrang used to be pretty decent back in the 80s apparently. These days I stick rather strictly to Terrorizer.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on November 30, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
Not too sure that you can apply the "overrated" label to relatively obscure bands with narrow fanbases. Even if they do hail said band as brilliant, that's more of appealing to a very distinct set of fans rather than being overrated IMO.

What's funny is that I prefer much of Hunters to their previous works.

And damn you for guessing what I was going to post :P
But I would disagree with "Most Thrash Metal". While Metallica has been on the wain for a very long time and Slayer's best records are the ones nobody actually listens to (Seasons In The Abyss and South Of Heaven), I feel that bands like Testament, Exodus, Overkill, Kreator and Destruction (at least pre 2003 in the case of the latter) all have had a resurgence and are comparatively unknown compared to modern metal bands and all of them successfully mix melody(especially Testament) and technicality(especially Destruction). Then you have all those bands like Heathen, Toxik, Tankard, Metal Church and so on which are all extremely good (at least in my opinion; I know you're more of a sludge/doom/stoner kinda guy; I still dig the good Cathedral song occasionally :P)


And Mustaine and Hammett suck. Really, while I liked the former a while back I dislike how overrated they are compared to guitarists like Jeff Loomis or Rob Jarzombek. (@R0B0: Did you buy Joel McIver's book on the subject of best metal guitar players?)

The "most thrash metal" comment applied to the fact that I find that thrash seems to be the most lauded and popularized genre of metal, mainly because Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax and Megadeth seem to get a ton of (unjustified) love. TBH, it's a bit of an unfair comment to make because I don't have the depth of knowledge on the genre to really make a statement like that.

But my god I hate Metallica.

And no, I have not read that book. Was it the one that listed Mustaine as the greatest metal guitar player ever?
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 30, 2011, 01:22:04 PM
Not too sure that you can apply the "overrated" label to relatively obscure bands with narrow fanbases. Even if they do hail said band as brilliant, that's more of appealing to a very distinct set of fans rather than being overrated IMO.

What's funny is that I prefer much of Hunters to their previous works.

And damn you for guessing what I was going to post :P
But I would disagree with "Most Thrash Metal". While Metallica has been on the wain for a very long time and Slayer's best records are the ones nobody actually listens to (Seasons In The Abyss and South Of Heaven), I feel that bands like Testament, Exodus, Overkill, Kreator and Destruction (at least pre 2003 in the case of the latter) all have had a resurgence and are comparatively unknown compared to modern metal bands and all of them successfully mix melody(especially Testament) and technicality(especially Destruction). Then you have all those bands like Heathen, Toxik, Tankard, Metal Church and so on which are all extremely good (at least in my opinion; I know you're more of a sludge/doom/stoner kinda guy; I still dig the good Cathedral song occasionally :P)


And Mustaine and Hammett suck. Really, while I liked the former a while back I dislike how overrated they are compared to guitarists like Jeff Loomis or Rob Jarzombek. (@R0B0: Did you buy Joel McIver's book on the subject of best metal guitar players?)

The "most thrash metal" comment applied to the fact that I find that thrash seems to be the most lauded and popularized genre of metal, mainly because Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax and Megadeth seem to get a ton of (unjustified) love. TBH, it's a bit of an unfair comment to make because I don't have the depth of knowledge on the genre to really make a statement like that.

But my god I hate Metallica.

And no, I have not read that book. Was it the one that listed Mustaine as the greatest metal guitar player ever?
I am aware of the fact that really I can't say bands like SiKth are really overrated. They are very specialist as you say, and really those bands (as in the ones Pwnator made note of) don't suck in any real way (other than Aliases).

Yeah, generally the best thrash is from the second tier bands in the genre like Exodus, Testament, and so on. The German thrash big 4 (Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, Tankard) is pretty darn respectable too.

And my god I hate Metallica too. They actually only have one good album (...And Justice For All), at least IMO.

And yes, Mustaine was listed as the greatest guitar player in metal in that book. The only good players in the top ten were Trey Azagthoth, John Petrucci (who made no.2) and Chuck Schuldiner. All the actually decent players were stuck some place like 50-25.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 30, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
Metallica are gods and you are a blasphemer of their holy name.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 30, 2011, 02:11:46 PM
Metallica are gods and you are a blasphemer of their holy name.
ololololol
But really I find most of their work very drawn out and not nearly concise enough to keep my attention (Master Of Puppets is one example of an album with too many long songs on it (every song is over 5 minutes long and tracks like Disposable Heroes are extremely repetitive with bland riffs. Battery and Damage Inc. are the best and shortest tracks on the album.)
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 30, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on November 30, 2011, 02:26:26 PM
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
I guess. Really I would like them a lot more if they had shorter and less repetitive songs.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Pwnator on December 01, 2011, 05:19:57 AM
I still have no idea whether Aliases is just as bad as Emmure or not.

Then, I decided that a blatant SikTh rip-off is no way close to being as bad as a band who tried to fuse deathcore and nu metal.

*shudders*
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on December 01, 2011, 11:23:01 AM
I still have no idea whether Aliases is just as bad as Emmure or not.

Then, I decided that a blatant SikTh rip-off is no way close to being as bad as a band who tried to fuse deathcore and nu metal.

*shudders*
Aliases is way better than Emmure, but that really doesn't say much other than that it isn't utter bottom of the pile metal. They're probably better than all the deathcore other than Son of Aurelius, Hour Of Penance and Dying Fetus (IMO DF is leagues ahead in that respect and is a very good but extremely overrated band).

It isn't really a SiKTh ripoff either as it features members of SiKTh :P
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Jack Daniels on December 01, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
I think Billy Joel is overrated.

There. I said it.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: nicsan2009 on December 01, 2011, 07:34:48 PM
Allways hated Guns n roses. One good album isn't enough for me.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: Lupus on December 02, 2011, 06:30:49 AM
Foo Fighters could be considered overrated, not by me though.
But White Limo definitely is, Qotsa did that style so much better than them.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: frezal on December 17, 2011, 06:33:35 PM
To defend Metallica, they don't claim to be anything they're not. In fact, they seem to be some of the most self deprecating musicians out there.
Title: Re: Overrated bands/singers
Post by: madman3 on December 18, 2011, 10:05:47 AM
To defend Metallica, they don't claim to be anything they're not. In fact, they seem to be some of the most self deprecating musicians out there.
That's true. Kirk and Rob are pretty cool dudes, while James and Lars are just kinda goofy.

Anyways, Cannibal Corpse is pretty much the definition of generic death metal. It also sucks, funnily enough. Conversely, Death is always a little underrated.
Another underrated band is Voivod.