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Title: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: WeN on November 20, 2017, 03:00:40 AM
All is just ****ing DSL IRL and I am ****ing useless

My mainland Stock start dying now.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Thyrus on November 20, 2017, 04:41:41 AM
Is this part of your art project?
If you want to keep stock going you could host a stock tournament. Try to get people into it.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: SagarisRA2 on November 20, 2017, 06:07:10 AM
I would download stock just to enter a tournament for that, still getting used to DSL IRL myself.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 20, 2017, 06:57:13 AM
Is this part of your art project?
If you want to keep stock going you could host a stock tournament. Try to get people into it.
he did, and nobody entered.  :gawe:
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Philippa on November 20, 2017, 07:11:05 AM
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Because stock is dieing? mebey?
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dreamcast on November 20, 2017, 07:24:11 AM
Is this part of your art project?
If you want to keep stock going you could host a stock tournament. Try to get people into it.
he did, and nobody entered.  :gawe:

Yea nobody enters ra2cf stock SHW tournaments.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dark-Al on November 20, 2017, 07:54:45 AM
Is this part of your art project?
If you want to keep stock going you could host a stock tournament. Try to get people into it.
he did, and nobody entered.  :gawe:

Yea nobody enters ra2cf stock SHW tournaments.
In truth only 7 people entered Wen and a Damned War. But apart from me and the other six users, no one else decided to make a ra2cf stock SHW. Though often I do point to the main problem being that the large majority of this forum and it's users has more interest in DSL-IRL building most of the time, and when a Stock tournament does happen, it ends up being a Stock MW tournament because no one else has an interest in Stock building above MWs. I'm aware the last statement isn't 100% correct, knowing that some users still show more variety in bot building by building in other metas and Stock Weight classes, but this is what the forum has mainly descended into: DSL IRL building or Stock MW building for the better or worse on how you view the situation.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: WeN on November 20, 2017, 08:00:17 AM
Can i change rule in the wen and a damned war and rerun it immediately becuase
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if not then I am screwed and had to wait a months and I will be gone for another years

In truth only 7 people entered Wen and a Damned War.
I got deadgecondue bot and its already 8 people
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: NeonCalypso on November 20, 2017, 08:06:25 AM
I might cheer you up by entering your tournament, if only i had some time...
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 20, 2017, 11:48:34 AM
Can i change rule in the wen and a damned war and rerun it immediately becuase
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if not then I am screwed and had to wait a months and I will be gone for another years

In truth only 7 people entered Wen and a Damned War.
I got deadgecondue bot and its already 8 people
You should be allowed to run it as just a regular 8-man double elimination tournament, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Shield on November 20, 2017, 06:25:18 PM
a small Stock MW tourney would be welcome

make it the bridge of doom arena tho
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dreamcast on November 20, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
make it the bridge of doom arena tho

This idea is good without even being a meme.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: kix on November 21, 2017, 12:19:03 AM
IMO DSL-IRL is becoming the new stock
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: WeN on November 21, 2017, 12:46:44 AM
a small Stock MW tourney would be welcome

make it the bridge of doom arena tho
reported to apanx
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Mr. AS on November 21, 2017, 01:05:18 AM
IRL is straight cancer, it's bred more (((toxic))) users than any meme circlejerk discord server ever could.

Literally prove me wrong, you can't.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: doot on November 21, 2017, 05:15:43 AM
I think with regards to why DSL IRL is so played now, especially in 2017 is mainly because its just so easy to get into compared to the other metagames currently. Stock's suffering from severe stagnation right now, with most of the builds now being the same bot types with a few things changed (HS/VS/Popup/the occasional stiltbot/SnS if they're allowed). DSL-S in 2.2 suffers from balancing problems which is why mechavore flywheels and other replica weapons reign dominant and Ironforge is the most balanced of the competitive metagames right now, but tends to have flippers reign supreme in arenas with OotA zones.

With DSL-IRL, most of the people look at this and tend to have their own design ethos, and along with the enormous variety in robot designs right now, its easy to see why DSL-IRL is so often played. With RA2CF and other stuff, IRL's possibilities have become almost limitless, with the limit being the havok engine. :P

I'm not saying that I won't enter TWatDW - hell, I may try to build something if I have the chance to, but theres a reason so few are going to other metagames now in 2017, with some exceptions like Revolution 2 and RA2 Mafia.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: WeN on November 21, 2017, 05:27:45 AM
Update 2:

Make a no powerful Stcok IRL to knock every unreal off

Update for real:

Alright it's time to move my career in stock to career in DSL IRL now.

rip Wen At Stock 2015-2017
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: kix on November 21, 2017, 05:57:35 AM
Mr. AS
STOP POST!!!
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: smashysmashy on November 21, 2017, 05:57:55 AM
I think with regards to why DSL IRL is so played now, especially in 2017 is mainly because its just so easy to get into compared to the other metagames currently. Stock's suffering from severe stagnation right now, with most of the builds now being the same bot types with a few things changed (HS/VS/Popup/the occasional stiltbot/SnS if they're allowed). DSL-S in 2.2 suffers from balancing problems which is why mechavore flywheels and other replica weapons reign dominant and Ironforge is the most balanced of the competitive metagames right now, but tends to have flippers reign supreme in arenas with OotA zones.

With DSL-IRL, most of the people look at this and tend to have their own design ethos, and along with the enormous variety in robot designs right now, its easy to see why DSL-IRL is so often played. With RA2CF and other stuff, IRL's possibilities have become almost limitless, with the limit being the havok engine. :P

I'm not saying that I won't enter TWatDW - hell, I may try to build something if I have the chance to, but theres a reason so few are going to other metagames now in 2017, with some exceptions like Revolution 2 and RA2 Mafia.

Aye - I remember that back when I used to build (so, 2010-12, nothing special) that the trend away from Stock was already starting. I think back then was when DSL-IRL started to get some attention - Freeziez did a series of tournaments (Battlebots?) which seemed to be one of the most popular around at the time.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Arcane on November 21, 2017, 06:54:43 AM
IRL is straight cancer, it's bred more (((toxic))) users than any meme circlejerk discord server ever could.

Literally prove me wrong, you can't.

But it has generated users. It’s an unfair comparison, you are essentially comparing taking “two steps forward and one step backwards” to taking no steps at all and saying taking no steps at all is better because it doesn’t have that “toxic” step backwards.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: dragonsteincole on November 21, 2017, 07:03:08 AM
Dayum Arcane.

FWIW, I had planned to enter, and was trying to build something as it was cancelled. Sounds like there's be enough entries already to run some sort of tourney if it was uncancelled. But Stock has the same problem it had years ago, in that everything has been built before and in a vastly superior version than most members present on the forum can manage. So you're either building a poor copy of something, or you build something more unique that is never competitive. (IRL lol)
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Badnik96 on November 21, 2017, 07:11:01 AM
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 21, 2017, 07:42:21 AM
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.
this
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Arcane on November 21, 2017, 08:00:08 AM
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.

Speaking as an outsider looking in, I have literally no clue who’s trolling and who’s serious half the time. In any case this has gone way off topic and I will apologise for my involvement in derailing it.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Hoppin on November 21, 2017, 08:14:25 AM
a small Stock MW tourney would be welcome

make it the bridge of doom arena tho

This
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dreamcast on November 21, 2017, 10:44:32 AM
But it has generated users. It’s an unfair comparison, you are essentially comparing taking “two steps forward and one step backwards” to taking no steps at all and saying taking no steps at all is better because it doesn’t have that “toxic” step backwards.
Counterpoint: The user count, post count, meaningful tournament count, etc is still pathetic compared to 2009-2012 or even 2008 (we changed forum software so the old data is probably gone).

Counter-Counterpoint: We were always niche anyway.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Badnik96 on November 21, 2017, 10:52:41 AM
competitive building plateaued when we discovered hax mode and finally bent the game until it broke

at that point there was nothing new to discover, and bots in stock have now become optimized where the only way to have fun in stock is to think outside the box and make something that isnt an hs/popup

irl at least has variety and flair, even if it is a bit of a circlejerk at times

not to say there isnt merit in building stock for fun but there just isnt as much there as there used to be. you wonder why all the old stock guys left, or barely build anymore? there is basically nothing left to build.
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Meganerdbomb on November 21, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
This is why more people need to get back into IRONFORGE. There happens to be a tournament open for just that right now.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dreamcast on November 21, 2017, 11:30:31 AM
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: ty4er on November 21, 2017, 11:39:39 AM
its just harder to consistently make nice looking/effective and original bots now, look at the standards of building back in 2011/12
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: kix on November 21, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
Why are people still posting in this thread?
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: Dreamcast on November 21, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
Why are people still posting in this thread?

Why did you? :really_makes_you_think:
Title: Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
Post by: MassimoV on November 21, 2017, 05:35:41 PM
I think with regards to why DSL IRL is so played now, especially in 2017 is mainly because its just so easy to get into compared to the other metagames currently. Stock's suffering from severe stagnation right now, with most of the builds now being the same bot types with a few things changed (HS/VS/Popup/the occasional stiltbot/SnS if they're allowed). DSL-S in 2.2 suffers from balancing problems which is why mechavore flywheels and other replica weapons reign dominant and Ironforge is the most balanced of the competitive metagames right now, but tends to have flippers reign supreme in arenas with OotA zones.

With DSL-IRL, most of the people look at this and tend to have their own design ethos, and along with the enormous variety in robot designs right now, its easy to see why DSL-IRL is so often played. With RA2CF and other stuff, IRL's possibilities have become almost limitless, with the limit being the havok engine. :P

I'm not saying that I won't enter TWatDW - hell, I may try to build something if I have the chance to, but theres a reason so few are going to other metagames now in 2017, with some exceptions like Revolution 2 and RA2 Mafia.

Aye - I remember that back when I used to build (so, 2010-12, nothing special) that the trend away from Stock was already starting. I think back then was when DSL-IRL started to get some attention - Freeziez did a series of tournaments (Battlebots?) which seemed to be one of the most popular around at the time.
Haven't seen you in a while.