Android vs iOS4 (and other neus)

[russian roulette]

Hello Peoplez!
I have gotten into the mobile software biz and landed the webOS job on phonedog.com
I just want to start a debate over the 2 top dogs of the smart phone biz:
Google Android VS. Apple iOS4
Let us hear the story of Google Android's journey in the united states:
The T-Mobile G1 was born to be the first Android handset with alot of mixed reviews, following the G1's success, the Sprint HTC Hero and other devices came out with modified versions of the stock Android software including,
-HTC Sense
-HTC Expresso
-MOTOBLUR
-NinjaBLUR
-Garmin Breeze
-Samsung Galaxy
With the success of android 1.5/1.6, Verizon Wireless started the Droid movement, coining the phrase "iDont, but Droid Does"
This made Apple angrah
The Droid minions include:
-DROID by Motorola
-Droid Eris by HTC
-Droid Incredible by HTC
-DROIDX by Motorola
As if your freedom of carriers matter, the form factor is always different for everyone including:
-The regular business user
-The need for luxury
-The need for a solid device
-Heavy texter
-The weird guy who want a different style
The android interface is quick, easy, user friendly, personalized, and fit for the right person.




Now the story of the iPhone
The sleek device sporting no flash, wallpapers, carrier freedom, developer freedom, simplicity, and so many problems to shake a finger at was born with 1 carrier and a dream to change the cell phone business.
Steve Jobs has out done him self with overly dramatic powerpoint presentations that made heart stopping sales in AT+T and Apple stores across the US. And that is pretty much it, all apple pretty much has done was create hardware and software that was out of date and let the developers, us, create the intense feelings for the iPhone and iOS. Without it the cellphone biz would be a joke and would take away alot of opportunities for other companies to create competition. All apple did was create an overly out of date software that ticked alot of us off. We owe it to the developers for starting the fad we call apps and smartphones. Without them the iPhone would be just as dull as any other Windows Mobile device.


Overall thoughts,
Google Android would take out all other competitors in the smart phone business, because google knows what people want. Also, Android is growing quicker than the iPhone. 
But I want to know your thoughts,
Google Android or Apple iOS

[frezal]

In defense of iPhone:
No flash? Who cares? Flash is a huge resource hog. More and more sites are supporting HTML5, which even my first gen iPhone handles quite well. In fact, I can't think of a website that I go to that my iPhone doesn't handle well.

iOS4 has wallpapers. If I had iOS4, I don't know if I would even change that black background, though. It fits the phone well.

I can see how carrier freedom could be an issue, but it's not a fair comparison to make. It's not as though every Android phone is available to every carrier. If we're talking platforms, iOS is also the OS powering the iPad which isn't tied down to AT&T.

If Apple published a strict set of rules, I would be fine with their approval process. As is, though, I'm satisfied with the apps that are available.

The iPhone 4's hardware is in no way out of date. That A4 processor kicks ass. The high res screen is also nice.

Your point about the developers making the iPhone worthwhile makes no goddamn sense. Of course the developers add value to the phone! Sure, I loved my iPhone before the launch of the iTunes App Store, but it was even better once I had things like Bejeweled 2 and Cooking Mama. Speaking of gaming, the iPhone has that market covered much better than Android.

I'm tired. End post.

[russian roulette]

It is not that the iPhone 4 was out of date, it is just that it took way too long to fit the needs of an adequate phone. The camera had no flash for 4 years, and the flash on the iPhone4 is just 1 tiny led. The glass on the back of the iPhone 4 is a joke, they could of use stronger things like medal, but they just had to use f***ing glass. And sure the rehnet display is sharp, but I'm sure the screen won't get cluttered, because there are STILL no SD card slots, you get for what you buy and that still pisses me off. Also, if your battery dies, your done, because insurance for physical damage costs up to 199 a month and that isn't by AT+T or Apple either, they have no insurance. Also there is no unlimited data plan, they had one, but now they decided for anyone who first get the iPhone 4 they can't go app crazy and wait every month to stock up on downloads. Also there is no 3rd party app support which is also lame. I rest my case.

[frezal]

You sound as though you've done little to no research. Let me fill you in:

It is not that the iPhone 4 was out of date, it is just that it took way too long to fit the needs of an adequate phone.

My first gen iPhone more than met my expectations for a smart phone.

The camera had no flash for 4 years, and the flash on the iPhone4 is just 1 tiny led.

Relatively few phones had a worthwhile flash when the iPhone came out. The current iPhone's camera is receiving mostly positive reviews, so I don't know how you can say the use of a single LED is necessarily a bad thing.

The glass on the back of the iPhone 4 is a joke, they could of use stronger things like medal, but they just had to use f***ing glass.

Encasing the thing in metal would prevent the radio receivers from working. Throwing glass on the back (which is actually much stronger than plastic and much more environmentally friendly) makes it look nice and allows for a functional antena. This complaint of yours is nothing but manufactured outrage.

And sure the rehnet display is sharp, but I'm sure the screen won't get cluttered, because there are STILL no SD card slots, you get for what you buy and that still pisses me off.

So because this 16-32 GB device has no built in SD slot, that means the screen sucks? The physical screen is one of the best on the market. The "desktop", if you will, can only get cluttered if the user is sloppy. iOS allows users to create folders in which to store apps/web apps.

Also, if your battery dies, your done,

I'm still on my first gen iPhone and the battery is showing no sign of giving out anytime soon. If it does, Apple has a battery replacement program. It costs $80. If you want to do it yourself, there are ways.

because insurance for physical damage costs up to 199 a month and that isn't by AT+T or Apple either, they have no insurance.

Where did you get that information? AppleCare, Apple's official insurance for iPhones and all other Apple products, is a one-time cost of $70 and lasts 2 years. It covers physical damages. Each iPhone also comes with a one year warranty. When I bricked my original iPhone while updating to the iPhone OS 2.0, I took it to the Apple Store where after failing to unbrick it, they gave me a new phone for no cost at all.

Also there is no unlimited data plan, they had one, but now they decided for anyone who first get the iPhone 4 they can't go app crazy and wait every month to stock up on downloads.

The new data plans are actually cheaper for the average person. Most people don't use over 2 GB in data a month, so instead of paying $30 a month for unlimited, they pay $20 (or was it $25?) for 2GB. Then it's $10 for each gig over that. Since Starbucks offers free WiFi (and always has to iPhone customers), and there is a Starbucks every 2 feet, I don't think the 2 GB cap is much of an issue.

Also there is no 3rd party app support which is also lame. I rest my case.

What do you mean there's no third party support? Have you seen the amount of apps in the iTunes App Store? There are third party apps ranging from the Opera browser to Resident Evil 4 (with graphics on par with the PS2 build). Hell, even Microsoft is starting to jump in with Bing and Windows Live Messenger.

[russian roulette]

Outside of the iTunes store.

[frezal]

Outside of the iTunes store.

The apps I want are in the App Store. If I wanted other apps, jailbreaking isn't exactly hard to do.

[Sage]

Aren't most apps third-party?

[frezal]

Aren't most apps third-party?

Apparently by "no third party support", he meant you can't get apps outside of the app store.

[Viper89]

@RR that's cool you got a job at phonedog.com, it's one of the 4 websites I follow for phone information. This is my opinion: I own the Sony X1 which is WM based but I can also run Android 2.1 and soon 2.2 is coming . I like being able to do anything I want with my phone and not worry about some company telling me what I can or can not do with my phone after I payed my own money for it. But the thing is WM and Android is for people who are pretty much going to hack and do all sorts of mods to their phones, but not everybody is like that some people just want a phone that is simple to use right out of the box for things like music, web browsing and etc. Which apple does best with their phones making everything simple and easy to use. So I can understand why some people don't mind having a lock down OS  because they have everything they need right in front of them. It's all just a matter of choice of what you need in a phone and what you want to do with your phone . But what I don't like is that ass clown Steve Jobs making excuses for the Iphone 4 reception problem saying all phones have the issue where if you hold it wrong you lose signal. What a bunch of Bull sh!t and the fact Apple won't admit it's their fault for the issue instead of telling the consumer their holding their own phone wrong is ridiculous.

[frezal]

Apple not offering the rubber bumpers for free is ridiculous. What Steve Jobs said is right, though. I had some sort of Sony Ericsson that would do the same thing when held certain ways.

[Viper89]

Apple not offering the rubber bumpers for free is ridiculous. What Steve Jobs said is right, though. I had some sort of Sony Ericsson that would do the same thing when held certain ways.

I only heard of about 3 phones that have that reception  issue 4 including yours, For him to say all phones have this type of issue is absurd. I agree, if the rubber bumper solves the problem apple should be offering it for free.

[Serge]

As much as I like my iPhone 3G, I don't think I'm upgrading anytime soon. And I'm still waiting for updated Android builds for the 3G, once they get power management and support for dual booting with the new 4.0 LLB and support the new baseband firmware, I'm switching.

[Viper89]

As much as I like my iPhone 3G, I don't think I'm upgrading anytime soon. And I'm still waiting for updated Android builds for the 3G, once they get power management and support for dual booting with the new 4.0 LLB and support the new baseband firmware, I'm switching.

Ya I have seen some videos awhile back showing the Iphone running a android build.  I thinks that's cool becuase you can still have apple's OS with all the apps and you can switch to have the opens source OS of android to. What is the latest build the Iphone has for android currently? The only problem with my build is GPS and my cameras don't work, don't care much for GPS because I don't even use it in WM but the cameras I want. Because now their is a couple phones in the US that have the videocall feature and would love to test it out since I haven't been able to since I have the European version of the X1 and American phone networks don't support this feature yet.