Author Topic: Robot Wars RA2 - OFFICIAL MOD (Read 690095 times)

Badnik96 · « **Reply #1640 on:** January 16, 2015, 12:58:26 PM »

That one person owns the robots and doesn't want them in the pack for whatever lame reason. It's their decision in the end run.

Jarvis_Rapture · « **Reply #1641 on:** January 16, 2015, 12:59:48 PM »

Not when the Robot Wars LLC contract licenses us to use a robots image for any merchandise or promotional material it's not.

Badnik96 · « **Reply #1642 on:** January 16, 2015, 01:10:04 PM »

Oh, then what's the issue then?

Avalanche · « **Reply #1643 on:** January 16, 2015, 01:19:45 PM »

Probably that some idiot dosent want his bot in the promotional stuff, but the rights have gone over to Robot Wars LLC and he now is just being a git.

dezox · « **Reply #1644 on:** January 16, 2015, 02:03:12 PM »

any plans how the bot test room will look?

HereticBlue · « **Reply #1645 on:** January 16, 2015, 07:36:56 PM »

Quote from: Avalanche on January 16, 2015, 01:19:45 PM

Probably that some idiot dosent want his bot in the promotional stuff, but the rights have gone over to Robot Wars LLC and he now is just being a git.

Bingo.

Nate, thing is the person who actually built the robot has already said yes and the version of the robot in the game is modelled on the period when he owned it. Because he is the builder, we would've taken his opinions into account if he didn't want it in the game even though the contract says we have the upper hand.

However, the person who owns it now is making a fuss because he tried to blackmail us to use his stuff as advertising for him which, we are not meant to do. This guy does not have the right to overpower the builder's word, the contract or us... Especially over a blackmail. What's worse is that he said he wanted it in the game before we made it.... Funny how his mind changes when he doesn't get what he wants?

If I made Ripper in game before it was Dystopia, and John Findlay gave me permission to do so and Gareth said he didn't want it in the game. Then Gareth wouldn't have that right, it's the same situation here.

Ps.
The reason why stuff may change in the mod because of this however is because we might be restricting ourselves to what goes in the game or not, so we don't have a real case on our hands where the actual builder says that he doesn't want the bot in the game. So basically a few classics we don't manage to get permission for will be removed. Possibly including Chaos 2 and Hypnodisc which would be a shame. But we are trying our best to track down the builders.

Natef · « **Reply #1646 on:** January 16, 2015, 07:46:08 PM »

Quote from: HereticBlue on January 16, 2015, 07:36:56 PM

Quote from: Avalanche on January 16, 2015, 01:19:45 PM
Probably that some idiot dosent want his bot in the promotional stuff, but the rights have gone over to Robot Wars LLC and he now is just being a git.

Bingo.

Nate, thing is the person who actually built the robot already said yes and the version of the robot is from the period when he owned it. Because he is the builder, he still had the right out of respect to say no when the contract is disregarded.

The person who owns it now is making a fuss because he tried to blackmail us to use his stuff as advertising for him which, we are not meant to do. This guy does not have the right to overpower the builder's word, the contract or us... Especially over a blackmail. What's worse is he said he wanted it in the game before we made it.... Funny how his mind changes when he doesn't get what he wants.

If I made Ripper in game before it was Dystopia, and John Findlay gave me permission to do so and Wor Gareth said he didn't want it in the game. Then Gareth wouldn't have that right, it's the same situation here.

Ps.
The reason why stuff may change in the mod because of this however is because we might be restricting ourselves to what goes in the game or not, so we don't have a real case on our hands where the actual builder says that he doesn't want the bot in the game. So basically a few classics we don't manage to get permission for will be removed. Possibly including Chaos 2 and Hypnodisc which would be a shame. But we are trying our best to track down the builders.

okay thanks for clarifying it.

Badnik96 · « **Reply #1647 on:** January 16, 2015, 07:55:06 PM »

I don't really see where this case is keeping robots from being added. The original creator has given you the OK, so ignore the git who wants free advertising and throw it in anyway. He doesn't really have much of a case if he takes it anywhere (it's a fan mod for a free game and you've gotten the original builder's consent)

Where does this guy think he is anyway, Deviantart?

Garfie489 · « **Reply #1648 on:** January 17, 2015, 02:25:35 AM »

Quote from: Badnik96 link=topic=15064.msg667249#msg667249

Where does this guy think he is anyway, Deviantart?

No idea who that guy is, but anyway. The guy in question has tried blackmailing in order to get a copy of the game. By removing permission to use his robots image is how he intends to do this.

However we have not included his robot in the game under its current paintjob. We included the version before he owned it because it was alot better and more highly ranked in the uk.

He wants us to show him the contract he signed to use his image, which is rubbish because we are not using it at all. Plus we have the agreement of the previous owner,plus the fact he signed the contract.

Now the current owner wants to see the contact, which will not provide for him because he is not a signatore, nor a team member/relation of the signatore. He has no right to see the contract, as such the contract is private and confidential.

Unfortunately when you buy a robot, you dont generally buy the marketing rights along with it. When I bought Dystopia for example, I was not allowed to keep either the name or paintjob of the robot by mutual agreement.

Unless he can prove he bought the rights to all images of the robot, past and present then he has no right to view the contract.

Scrap Daddy · « **Reply #1649 on:** January 17, 2015, 02:32:17 AM »

What bot is the one in question ? Too lazy to research.

HereticBlue · « **Reply #1650 on:** January 17, 2015, 05:19:24 AM »

Cheers Gareth, sums it up better than me. I forgot about his initial motive actually!

Quote from: Scrap Daddy on January 17, 2015, 02:32:17 AM

What bot is the one in question ? Too lazy to research.

Sorry mate, if we said then it would be a dead give away. But to be honest it probably isn't that hard to work out from Gareth's description.

Re Badnik, hahahahaha!

Knight · « **Reply #1651 on:** January 17, 2015, 05:38:21 AM »

Quote from: Scrap Daddy on January 17, 2015, 02:32:17 AM

What bot is the one in question ? Too lazy to research.

They're most likely not going to say since that could end really badly, but I'm going to take a guess.

Here are the key points:
A)It's a RW classic all star, as hinted by HB
B)It's a robot in the pack, but under a previous alias or paintjob
C)It was more successful previously than it is currently
D)It was sold on from the original builder

With that in mind, I've narrowed it down to a few:
*Deleted because they were all wrong*

Jarvis_Rapture · « **Reply #1652 on:** January 17, 2015, 05:41:35 AM »

It's none of those. It doesn't concern any of you so stop trying to work it out, as I said at the very beginning of this conversation:

Quote from: Jarvis_Rapture on January 16, 2015, 07:23:01 AM

We won't be losing anything by force.

HereticBlue · « **Reply #1653 on:** January 17, 2015, 07:07:45 AM »

On a positive note, I am now back on track. I just need to get used to using 3DS again and I like Tacos is working on a new arena.

Badnik96 · « **Reply #1654 on:** January 17, 2015, 04:22:57 PM »

I'll be 100% honest with you, looking at the list on the OP I have no clue who it is :V

GL to Tacos with his arena, I know it's a daunting procedure the way you do it especially.

Natef · « **Reply #1655 on:** January 17, 2015, 04:37:37 PM »

oooo wonder what arena it is

thesnowingsteak · « **Reply #1656 on:** January 18, 2015, 08:04:10 AM »

Quote from: HereticBlue on January 17, 2015, 07:07:45 AM

On a positive note, I am now back on track. I just need to get used to using 3DS again and I like Tacos is working on a new arena.

Hoorah time for more bots.

HereticBlue · « **Reply #1657 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:29:33 PM »

I Like Tacos has been making some brilliant progress already guys so watch out for an update from him on the new arena, the first new arena that will actually make it into the game!

So, after so many months... Just been getting used to using the program again. It's taken me bloody hours to do this, so I need to get back to my regular pace. Photographs weren't provided for the skin this time so a lot of time went into creating this skin from scratch!

I'm not thrilled with it to be honest, what do you guys think of it?

Resetti's Replicas · « **Reply #1658 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:42:41 PM »

Looks fine to me, I don't see any problem

Jaydee99 · « **Reply #1659 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:50:17 PM »

Looks good. Is it fast?