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Robot Arena => Modifications => Topic started by: Naryar on October 21, 2008, 05:38:44 AM
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Being kind of bored by the stock DSL AI, namely because there are few rammers, and nearly no VS/HS in the HW division, also no face spinners, nearly no popups (if i consider Samurai and Shogun like something close to a popup)... I am creating a big DSL AI pack.
And i need YOU for the US ar... eeh no, for participating.
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FEATURES
-All of the Stock rebuilds updated or entirely rebuilt (if a chassis rebuild is necessary).
-All of the replicas dumped and replaced by team-specific bots.
-Teams sent by builders Starcore style
-New UI
-New AI.py's
-Slow mod releases
NAR v2.1 released! Check the Releases thread !
HOW TO PARTICIPATE ?
You can participate by sending bots.
First, if you feel like one of theoriginal designs (All of the teams that come with DSL 2.1, exceptedBBEANS Champions that won't be updated for nostalgia reasons) couldbe better and if you want to rebuild/update it, feel free to do soand send me your version. I will take a look at it and if i'm happywith it, it'll be in.
Second and more importantly, i amasking whole teams of the DSL building community. So, you can send awhole team of bots.
I will ask for a few things though.
First, please send you team in a RAR tome (PM on Gametechmods will be faster). The RAR must contain your 6bots (named from Bot0 to Bot5, it will simplify things), a correctlyworking .bmp for the picture that will come with your team, and a.txt with the bindings, team name and motto. However, if you havefinished your bots you can still send them before the rest, so youwill have a place for your team in NAR AI. Please also name your RARfor easier understanding – a thing called "AI2" isn'tgoing to help me since i don't get the bots directly in NAR AI whenyou send me the team. Get something like "BuilderName-TeamName"would be much more helpful.
Feel free to send updates of yourprevious teams as well, i will gladly accept them if they are better. Please send the bots you want to update (or bindings) all at oncethough, and in the same format as teams.
Yes, i am asking you to AI your botsbecause you probably are the ones that know how they work better andheck, it's your bots, it's your controls. If you REALLY are unable todo this due to little free time or not knowing how to AI a particularbot, i will.
I also want to keep NAR AI a challengeand the hardest DSL pack ever, so i will be picky on the bot buildingskills - if it's not well built enough, it's not in. However, i willprovide advice and feedback on your teams and might even tinker withyour bots a little and send you my versions.
However, NAR AI isn't only made ofkillers and i know that. An original/creative/really cool bot will beaccepted even if it's not really battle efficient... as long as it'sbuilt well enough.
As long as you put enough work on it, iwill accept all the teams you can do as i bet no builder will send me10 straight teams.
The first three bots (Bot0,Bot1,Bot2)should be respectively LW/MW/HW like Starcore. The other ones can beany other legal bot class – though if you really want to sendanother team setup than LW/MW/HW i will not reject it.
The classes are : Antweight (less than125.0), Beetleweight (125.1-175.0), Lightweight (175.1 - 249.0),Middleweight (249.1-399.0), Heavyweight (399.1 – 800.0),Superheavyweight (800.1 – 1200.0), Ultraheavyweight(1200.1-5000.0). Also, for non-Stock bot classes, you will need toput "AW-", "BW-", "SHW-" or "UHW-"just before your bot's name for no confusion (Though you cangenerally guess what it is when you're looking at the bot !).
Now the bots must be NAR AI - legal aswell. This includes :
-No cheatbot2 parts or customcomponents. One single exception for this is the hovercraft engine.You can perfectly send a HW/SHW hovercraft bot, mostly for laughs(see Pon2n, Crazy Experiment and Destroyer FHP), but i will be stricton these, and really only accept the good ones.
-Ballasts are strictly banned. Theyfail so much that i removed them from my game. So no.
-No underweight bots by more than 10kg(Hell, 10kg is a lot on the lighter weight classes... try to build asclose as the weight limit as possible)
There are a few building rules as well.
-No overlapping or stacking Power orMotor components (excepted the smartzones of course) unless yourdesign could be implemented IRL. I will allow a little marginhowever.
-Extenders and extras can overlappretty much over everything if you would be able to cut a hole onthem or paste/bind/weld them in real life without the thing fallingoff (Example, abusing the multiextender's collision mesh and puttingit through a battery is allowed as long as it's not completelystacked in).. No stacking however (that is, 2 components at the exactsame place or one component inside each other)
-Moving components can intersect partly(and only partly) extenders/weapons/extras if you could cut a slot onthem in real life without the thing falling off. Motor or Powercomponents cannot interest any moving thing if it is an extender andit really does interest slightly (if you could cut a slot in theextender IRL with the thing still working correctly, it's alright)
About out-of-lab building techniques :BFE is allowed in a few cases that i will explain right now. AAM andZeroG are not.
-Changing the chassis shape/height withBFE is fine as long as you don't get baseplate-attached componentsout of the chassis (Motor axles don't count however, notably thevertical E-Tek's that you can get out of the chassis if you want) andas long as the shape is realistic.
-Breaking up collision meshes as longif it doesn't breaks the other rules and could be implemented in reallife. Example would be putting an ant battery between the 6-Mag'smotors, getting a component closer to a BSG than the stupid collisionmesh would allow or even a static component through a large staticdisc (if you could make a hole in the disc).
-You may not create new attachmentpoints through BFE or attaching a component to the baseplate if itcan't, even if it is realistic (as components attached to thebaseplate are invincible, this can create huge loopholes)
In any way, BFE use CANNOT broke therules i stated before and cannot be used for giving a major andobvious advantage to the bot (aka no components attached to thebaseplate via BFE when they normally can't be attached to thebaseplate, even if it could be done IRL). I will decide if your botis legal or not in case of doubt.
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Do you mind SHWs?
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Yeah. I don't want to spend 30mins waiting for a SHW to load, and to try it, and to AI the beast, and so forth...
I will allow a maximum of 10 SHW's.
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I'll give it a go.
I hope you seriously don't expect us to work fast enough to finish it in the past :D
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(Also, i won't release this pack until January/February 2008)
Don't you mean '09?
I'll give it a try. I've been practicing AIing, so I might be able to do some of it.
I stink at making SHWs anyway, Nar.
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i'll give some AI
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... That was one heck of a typo ...
If you want to send me a team:
put in a RAR all that:
-The six bots renamed Bot0 to Bot6 in a team folder
-The pic you want to use for your team
-In a txt, the binding for the teams.txt file
index 0
(team name here)
"(team motto here)"
AI\(pic name here).bmp
Robots: 0 1 2 3 4 5
Robot In Event: -1
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16
16
0
0
0
0
0
100000
true
0
false
0
-1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0
0
0
-In another txt, the six bindings lines for the Bindings.py. I will possibly modify them if the bot isn't well AIed.
Thanks!
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I'll submit a team.
I'm not the best AI-er though, so I'll ask if you can do it.
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I asked everyone who wants to contribute to AI their teams.
But if you still can't AI them, I'll do it.
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I will submit one. Will we keep the original AI too?
I will try AIing, but if I really can't do it by Late December, I will just give them to someone else to AI.
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Yay. Do your best guys!
And it will be an add-on indeed. But then it will be a little tricky to install (like the BBEANS4 AI pack)
And i can already announce a bot in my team: Hazardous Contraption, with Click's bindings :icon_twisted:
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It really will be harder. Oh well, off to read the AIing tutorial on the Wiki
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i can't build quality dsl bots, but if anyone needs help with their bindings code or Ai, i'm happy to help
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I might... I am still wondering alot even after reading the tutorials.
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I'm almost done AIing!!!1!one1! And it actually works this time! Tell me when you want me to send it Nary. Just need to add some finishing touches...
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he can easily make it so you have both the original DSL AI along with the new pack. my DSL game has 90 teams total in the AI folder (most empty, 6 used for RAW, 20 for original DSL, SCv4 minus first 20 teams, and some random ones)
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Reier you can send it now. Make a RAR, and send it to me (GTMs file uploader perhaps)
And yeah, Sage, I can do it.
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Yeah, I'll send it to you ASAP. I still have a few finishing touches left, I'll try to send it tomorrow. =)
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I'll send in the new versions of El3ctric Red, Enfilad3 and obZen as half my team, and mabye some novelty bots too xD
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Nar, I'm almost finished but I ran into some problems AIing. I think I can figure it out, though. Maybe a day or 2, sorry. =(
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Me and Kill343 will do a "ThreeFourInfinity" team together, and I will probably submit a seperate team as well.
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I think that threefourinfinity should have a link on the main page of the website.
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if we had a website...I'd ask to haveit linked. We have so many online screenshots.
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Mabye ask ACAMS for a gametechmods one, like threefourinfinity.gametechmods.com or something.
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Nary, I have a cheat part one one of my bots, but it's just the thermidor antenna. Is that okay? It really gives this bot personality, but I'll take it off if you say no. After you answer this question, I'll send my team. =)
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I baggsy SteelYardDogs!
Yay!
I would like to contribute BTW!
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Reier : I think it's ok. I need to install 2.1 then.
Wham : Everyone can contribute as long as the contribution is good.
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I will contribute. And I will try to AI my bots.
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I've send you some AI.
But for the bindings of teams.txt i've just put the 4 first descriptive lines.
Tell me if you want a re-send.
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SWEET i get to relearn how to AI............again lol ill make a team when i have my skills back in check
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I am thinking less and less that you are the actual Cuda.
Hey Gigafrost, want to make a Tank Tread Brothers team? We can have T I T A N and Ripterra as 2 of the extra bots, and you and me can each make two other bots, with treads.
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SB that should be Ripterra 2 because... well, Ripterra BBEANS sucked.
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STFU! Ripterra was just unlucky. I'm pretty sure he could have gotten far if he wasn't against ... What was it, DOAM?
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DOAM and Rage III. It did get pretty unlucky, and it regularly scores over 1000 hits with the blades. It was just ill fitted for the bots it faced.
One bot went 100+ mph, and the other got to the semifinals. That sounds pretty unlucky to me, I could update it though if you want me to. I would put a wedge on it and remove some batteries.
If it is the Tank Tread Brothers team, shouldn't it be the original Tank Tread Brothers?
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STFU! Ripterra was just unlucky. I'm pretty sure he could have gotten far if he wasn't against ... What was it, DOAM?
Do you even realize that 4 cutting DSL teeth for a MW horizontal spinner is weak weaponry ? Even Hostility II has more HP in it's weapons. Perhaps it could have won one or two fights with really lucky matchups.
Oh, that's right, you have a lot of experience in DSL.
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SB : yes please, update it, although if you permit me I can update it too.
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somebody i AM 70CUDA im not posting as much the last few days cause my net is in and out. you try not working on this for 6 mounths or so then tell me how hard it is to relearn how to make great bots lol it anit easy. no i have been messing with python again and thinking about finshing the battle field arena me mad and spy guy were working on when i left. btw naryar will you want arenas for the pack. i could add new and diff hazards to the stock for a whole new felling as well if you like that idea.
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Okay, okay I believe you. I will get a screenshot of Ripterra with a big hit.
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I am almost done making my team, I will send it to you soon Naryar.
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Cuda i'm not planning on releasing arenas.
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@ Somebody- Excellent idea! The TTB must fulfill their vengeance...
This time, if you want, we can make them like 1000 times better. We can Pm eachother our bots and changes if you like.
@ Nar - Can I also submit a T O U R Q U E Team?
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Giga: Yeah, i'm interested in T O R Q U E's firepower, if it can send Grog flying.
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I was going to ask if the bots were At the same skill as the origonal AI, but now I'm worried if it'll be a Hammer fest.
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Mine will be done within the next couple of days Nary...
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Naryar: What exactly do you want us to send you? The bots for sure, then the AI binnding lines maybe?
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All that you need for an AI bot team to work. The bots, the bindings, the team pic and motto. I'll possibly add (Built by X) to the motto.
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when do you want this done? i can help with AI ing to if you get to many to handle. i havent made any i think are worthy of an AI pack yet, ill keep you updated.
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February.
I asked everyone to AI (well) their bots, but if there are issues with me AIing, i could get some help yeah.
Big edit to the main page.
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Guys, i have actually only Phil's and Hazmat's teams. I will enter 2-3 teams as well but it won't be out in February if you guys don't send me anything...
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sry man i just lost all mine i had almost 2 teams done but ill remake them asap and get them to you. i have to work around my cars blown motor( CHEVY!!!) and GUMBA if it ever gets going.
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I am almost finished with my second team. I promise I will send them as soon as they are finished, Naryar.
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I'm working on my own team. Although TTB team has been a little slow...
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Naryar, did you get my last PM?
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Do we need to send you the pic for the team if it is a standard pic in the game. I have a snake-themed team. I love snakes.
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im making teams out of all my GUMBA bot i made lol.
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Guys, i just got teams from 2 builders....
Also, updated the main page.
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Guys, i just got teams from 2 builders....
I'm surprised there's so few teams. Looking at the numerous thread under DSL showcase and the quaility of the bots build, i thought this AI pack will be quickly filled.
Perhaps you should promote this community work by engaging the bot builder to contact you when they show something good.
too bad if this project gives up.
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Give up? Give up? I'm not going to give up even if it takes one year !
Although it is a good idea.
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I love making teams. I got a few that will work.
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I'll get my team in as soon as I can, Nar. I'm running into some AI ing errors...
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I'll get my team in as soon as I can, Nar. I'm running into some AI ing errors...
Ask for help, there's a thread for that :
https://gametechmods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1103
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Oh yeah........ I have a team already made. Stupid me forgetting, I will send it to you today Naryar.
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I'll get my six ready.
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My robots aren't paticuarly good, in comparison to everyone elses, but I certainly think they make a break from the norm xP
My point is, even if they aren't super special awesome, will they be accepted? And what about the realistic rule? Does it apply?
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Realistic rule applies.
And yes, i DO want good (or well-built for original ones) bots.
That pack is made to bring moar diversity but also a good challenge. Mako, Smashbox and Shebeast added pretty much of a challenge in DSL 2.1, but these are just three heavies.
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Well then I guess there's no point submitting, seeing as you deemed my robots poorly built in my showcase, without much reason :P
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Ok i actually got 7 teams, but i don't know if i'm going to use Phil's 4 teams (yep he sent me 4 AIed teams).
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OH NOES DOUBLE POST !!!1!one!
...Whatever this is my thread.
I'm actually upgrading the battery setup of some of your bots (mainly Hazmat's and Joe's) because 20kg black batts = evil, and i don't want you to change them for so few.
It is okay for you guys?
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but i don't know if i'm going to use Phil's 4 teams (yep he sent me 4 AIed teams).
if you want to use more than the 2 teams we have talked about in private message, tell me, i will improve the bots.
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Nar, I'm still going to enter some bots into this pack, I've just been busy working on my ELBITE entry.
And my lame computer won't let me AI!!1!11
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I already said in the PM that I don't mind the batteries being upgraded. It it will make the bots better for the AI pack, then there should be no real problem with it.
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Is it full yet?
I'll send my first team in as soon as i can.
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Go for it Naryar. Can you PM me which bots you're modifying so i can tell which ones needed the batt upgrade? Then i can change it on my versions
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@Wham: I wished it was full... Go for it and send your bots. I'll comment on them and say if they are good enough.
@Hazmat: Sending you a PM.
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You should say who has contributed teams in the first post.
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I have my team skinned, but I am unsure about AIing and txt files. I am gonna post on the AIing help thread.
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I'll make a team as soon as I can.
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So, anyone has some teams ready? I got 5 teams from Phil (will use 3 of them i think), 1 from Somebody, 1 VS team from Joe and one from Hazmat.
I think i'll enter 3 teams.
EDIT: also, for everyone to know who build which team, i'm going to use "Brought to you by XXX" on the team motto.
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I have about 1 bot left, and try to AI, then I'm dun.
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I'm still working on Team Exile, it may take some time.
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Just double Checking AI, and I should be done.
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I have 1 team done, just have 1 more to go.
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Nary I'll probably start on another team today.
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Have any use for a Team SHW?
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No all-SHW team. However, seeing how progress is so damn slow, i will accept 3 SHW's in a team for the sake of having moar teams. Still, i want LW-MW-HW like in Starcore.
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Mind if I make another team?
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Of course not... with that pack's progress being quite turtle-style.
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I have everything except for a Lightweight ready for the next team I am going to send in.
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Nar, I have a set of four bots, a LW, MW, HW and BW. But I don't know what else to put there. Could I just PM you the bots I currently have and let you do the rest?
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Yes you can PM them to me, but this is your team and i'm not going to build complete robots for it.
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Sure, I'll reinstall DSL soon.
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Sorry I'm taking a while, I'm working on 2 teams, and niether is up to standard IMO. So I'm modifying them each a bit. I can't decide which team to send. If you're short, I'll send both.
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Sorry I'm taking a while, I'm working on 2 teams, and niether is up to standard IMO. So I'm modifying them each a bit. I can't decide which team to send. If you're short, I'll send both.
Why not sending the best of your 2 teams to Nar and than contact S32 to create a two builders-team with the other bots ?
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Sure, why not.
EDIT: Man, my DSL crashed again. I know how to fix it, but it might be a day or 2.
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Did you get my entry Naryar?
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Yep.
However i need your team pictures.
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ooooooohhhh... Okay I will send them with my rebuild of Death On A Stick.
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*YAAAAAAWNS*
So, seeing that there's gonna be an official SHW class in DSL 3, i edited the thing, and will accept SHW's (but only from 800.1 kg to 1200.0 kg)
*stretches*
Any other teams ready? I have 6 or 7 teams right now. Not going to go far with that...
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*bump*
I resubmitted my first team, and I sent in another one to go with it.
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Is there any way that you could get some of the bots from the BBEANS/RAW tournaments to fill a couple of team slots?
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how many more spots are left?
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how many more spots are left?
Wondering too.
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More than enough! If you have teams, send them!
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I'm stiiiiill trying to get mine in!
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A lot, indeed Urjak.
Just keep sending.
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Double post... who cares...
Announcement: I'm going in vacation in the middle of July and am probably going to work on the AI pack while not here. So just send your teams please. If i got a subsequent number of teams (like 20+) i will release an Alpha in september.
I might also bring changes to all of the AI. Notably rebuilding most of the DSL original AI to make them more efficient, rebuilding the Rookies and extra bots, and probably even replacing the replicas with bots i will build in the team's continuation (ants and beetles notably).
I could get some help with this also... that means you could submit a bot alone, either a rebuild or an entirely new bot team-themed, that means no rammer on the Red Zone team and no flipper in the Megaton team, etc.
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I will Send my team, I haven't been on RA2 much, sorry.
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that means you could submit a bot alone, .
why not contacting all the DSL tournament manager (Gumba / Clash ...) and ask them to send the '10 best bots' to create teams.
Thank's for all your effort.
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When I finish my pack, I surely will submit one for yours.
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Waiting for it !
Update first post.
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Naryar, I can submit another team if you wish
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Gladly.
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i would give you one, but can't ai and i suck really badly at RA2
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Indeed.
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yay! i'm agreed with for once!!!
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Spam fest.
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It said that I only sent in one team but I sent in two of them.
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Let me get one thing straight, probably something that has been mentioned before -
Can these be personal teams, or do they have to be stock AI remakes?
Or can they be both?
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@Joe: Edited, i didn't saw the link for your second team.
@Redline: Both, or even brand new bots that will replace the replicas - i will probably delete all the replica only teams too. Edited for more precision.
I will also complete the BBEANS Champions team with Hazcon, Enfilad3 and DOAM.
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I will get my teams in soon. I have been a bit busy unfortunately.
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Thanks !
Updated several AI bots, but i'm too lazy to rebuild the chassis now.
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DP ftw.
Announcement: I will release a NAR AI v0.5 Alpha soon, say in a few days.
However it will just feature the updated AI, NOT the builder teams.
I will leave Tempest as it is, and maybe several other bots.
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oh dang i just finished my team!
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Oh Yeah, Zapper 10 is done! Need to get a few more bots, then I'll send.
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so i can still send?
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Roboman, send me your thing.
However i will only accept decent bots at least.
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I got still something like 35 bots to update.
For the NAR AI pack Alpha, (release date by the end of the week), it will have all the updated DSL AI bots rebuilt by me. (That is, all the first 3 bots of the 15 original teams, and all of the Robot Arena Reincarnated ones). They will not have any chassis rebuilds, and some of them are already fine and will not be rebuilt.
For the NAR AI pack Beta, (release date in September), it will have all the completely rebuilt DSL AI bots by me, as well as all the bots/teams that have been send to me before i leave (beginning of July).
Any feedback ?
EDIT: also feel free to check the first post.
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i dont think most of my bots are high enough for your standards
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Probably.
But make a DSL showcase, it will probably make your bot building better.
Also check the other DSL showcases for ideas and tips.
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I am going to update my team for the september patch.
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That is great!
I will release NAR AI Pack Alpha this Sunday.
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Hurray!
Speaking of which, I'm gonna try to submit a team, or maybe just rebuild some bots. :D
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That is great!
I will release NAR AI Pack Alpha this Sunday.
looking forward to it , I would have helped by my DSL skills are a little sketchy :-D
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You could still rebuild a stock DSL bot for me... but i'll expect a chassis rebuild then, and something better than the original..
Updated the first post.
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the official release is later this year right ? if so I might make something (my DSL skills are getting better) just got a few exams at school:angry: over the next few weeks
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Oh, goody. Screw my team then. Rebuilding time. >=)
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Actually it would benefit the pack more if you send a team... because i'm going to rebuild every AI bot. However on teams, these are you guys' and i won't make them all.
But do as you wish.
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20 bots to make still.
Including all the heavies of the Robot Arena Reincarnated team... sheesh.
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Well seeing all that i have to do, i will spend less time on RA2 and the release date might be postponed.
I promise it will be released next week however.
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Could you make some of the RA reincarnated bots into MW's and LW's?
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Could you make some of the RA reincarnated bots into MW's and LW's?
Yeah, that'd be good. Scooterpie is a natural option for lightweight, considering in RA1 it's meant to be a lightweight hit-and-run killing machine.
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Well that could be a good idea, because ScooterPie is very good in stock RA1, but sucks in DSL.
But LW... in no way i can make that a poker/hammer hybrid like the original then.
Or i could dump the hammer - poker/hammer hybrids suck because both weapons don't work together.
Might do that as a MW.
Also my first release will not contain the RA1 Reincarnated team, but it will come later - sorry guys, lack of time.
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I hope it does come out next week, I just finished my last day of School so I'll have plenty of time to play it.
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aww man i still have a month left!
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1 month and 2 days for me.
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I got done last week. =D
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It WILL come out next week, that i swear.
Got done last week too.
EDIT: Also all of the rammers are invertible now. ICM will be too as well as ALARM.
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Anyone else here a senior? [I do have to go back on Monday for a Graduation meeting, and on Thursday to rehearse the graduation ceremony, then to do the ceremony later that night]
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I was technically done 2 weeks ago.
I say technically because I got the final exams coming up.
Oh well, hopefully this will be a good pack.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/4205pileofbots.PNG)
Coming very soon.
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Oooo
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hey, I'll send FMLAF 2, Amolax and Twist and turn 3 soon.
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yay!
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*worthless*
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So we build these? Just one bot or a team?
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HOW CAN YOU PARTICIPATE?
You can participate on three things:
If you submit a complete team, send me your entries in form of a RAR containing:
-your six bot files
-the team .bmp pic.
-a txt file, with team name, team motto and the bindings.
Please have a try at AI-ing your bots, but if you really can't i will AI them for you. Also i will mod the bindings of a bot if it doesn't works right.
If you submit a bot that will replace a replica, just send me the bot with the (optional) bindings. You can always submit several replica replacements of course.
If you submit a rebuild of an old DSL AI bot, just send me the bot. You can always submit several AI rebuilds of course.
You are obviously not limited to participating in just one of these. You can perfectly submit just one bot (and i will be thankful for that), or submit 4 personal teams and rebuild 1 complete team (that makes 30 bots... but i'm not asking you that!).
Here.
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Recall of what makes a bot legal :
REALISTIC RULE
-No bots that work on a glitch (Trinity, nasty pickles even if no one uses them) or too glitchy (i will restrict moving flail weapons).
No spin motors on burst motors or servos (burst enhancing).
Chaining allowed on the limit of 2 chained motors.
-I will not allow battery stacking or servo/snapper overlapping, but i will allow a small margin: if the components just barely - BARELY - enter in each other without affecting the bot IRL it's okay (e.g. a multi-extender slightly intersecting a motor or a battery.
No weapon overlapping either, but two weapons can slightly intersect if and only if they are static. If it could be implemented in real life it's fine.
-All wedges are fine excepted if they violate the next rule.
-Moving parts cannot intersect other moving parts, and can only intersect partly static parts if that could be implemented IRL (a saw passing through a skirt hinge like in my Battle Scar is fine because it's in the chassis and the skirt hinge could be cut into two and fixed at the side without the attachment), but a saw passing completely through a sheet is NOT fine), that makes the wedge of Urjak's The Devil's Cherry technically illegal as well as Somebody's HW hammer heads.
-Attachment or armor static parts (plastic/metalsheets, baseplate anchors, snowplows, extenders ramplates, shell spinner parts, etc) can intersect each other freely because they could be bound or welded (or cutted for a hole) IRL , but cannot stack. Weapons can also pass through these (as in Top Dog, Bad Dog and SnowJob)
Remember, if it could be done IRL, it's fine.
-Also you CAN edit the bot file for lowering the height under the game's limits (like in the Arthrobotics team) and making cool chassis (see Goose's donut bot). However, components that are supposed to stay in the chassis must stay in the chassis (like batteries, control boards, Magmotors, baseplate anchors, etc) - like the batteries that can get partly out of the chassis : nothing of that.
I think it's all.
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I will try to come up with all the replica replacements done before i leave, but i will most likely need help.
What i need:
-All of the RA Reincarnated bots excepted Gammaraze and Aquarius
-AW and BW rammers for SteelYard Dogs Bot3 and Bot4 (Plus SYD skin if you can)
-LW hammer with a katana for Team Dragon Bot3 (Plus Team Dragon Skin as well)
-BW hammer for North Polers Bot3 (Plus North Polers skin as well)
-MW SnS with 60kg hammers for Team HEX Bot4 (S32 builds it)
-BW poker for Red Zone Bot3 (can't come up with something decent)
HIGH QUALITY BOTS as well.
And finally some UI, yes.
Just the background.bmp with the words "NAR AI" on it, but something stylish, fitting with the normal UI.
Thanks.
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I will start working on the UI now....
is it ok if I use parts of your signature for it ? i have an idea in mind
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Hmm, i would think of something more DSL-UI-ish but do as you wish.
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I will whip up a few possibilities and send them your way and you can choose
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whose ninja did you use?
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I will try to come up with all the replica replacements done before i leave, but i will most likely need help.
What i need:
-All of the RA Reincarnated bots excepted Gammaraze and Aquarius
-AW and BW rammers for SteelYard Dogs Bot3 and Bot4 (Plus SYD skin if you can)
-LW hammer with a katana for Team Dragon Bot3 (Plus Team Dragon Skin as well)
-BW hammer for North Polers Bot3 (Plus North Polers skin as well)
-MW SnS with 60kg hammers for Team HEX Bot4
HIGH QUALITY BOTS as well.
And finally some UI, yes.
Just the background.bmp with the words "NAR AI" on it, but something stylish, fitting with the normal UI.
Thanks.
I'll do some bots.
Would Toxin Ant & Tetse fly be good for the SYD rammers?
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@Russian Roulette: What the heck do you mean ?
@Reier: Aren't you going to get both of these in your personal team ?
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*Ears flicker*
SNS?
I'll do it!
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@Reier: Aren't you going to get both of these in your personal team ?
Eh...IDK. Maybe not. I'm fine with sending 'em in for this.
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@Russian Roulette: What the heck do you mean ?
More than one person redid ninja so I was wondering who's ninja are you using?
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*sigh*
This my friend, is the NAR AI pack, NOT Inf's Summer Magic where indeed more than one person redid ninja.
DSL. Not stock.
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Wow i would forget!
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Nary, The SNS will have to be an SNS/HS hybrid unless you want one with either Extremely low Batt power or seriously slow drive.
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Hmm... Okay, it fits more with the team HEX nuts and bolts thing.
I'll be away for 2 days and a half as well.
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Coming to think of it, I forgot entirely about the thwacker option!
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I've got a spinner you could use.
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No offense but I think Naryar doesnt want SFTW types in his pack, right?
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Test bots?
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indeed i dont want.
Anyone sent me bots then? i had a full inbox so i might have missed a few bots.
I'm leaving in 6 days guys. Better hurry if you want your bots in the Beta...
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Meh, I keep trying, but IMO my bots aren't good enough.
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I wish I could send mine.... but my computer is screwed up. I will send my bots when the next version comes out.
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If I do submit a team, then it's probably not going to have an actual theme. Is that okay?
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It's ok - but you still need to send me a team name and pic.
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send you a concept image for the UI via pm, let me know what you think... if your pm box if full and you don't get it let me know
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Oh, I almost forgot. I sent you updates on my LWs and HWs a month ago. Just asking if you received them or not.
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yup but i do need a team picture and a team name.
S32 i need a team picture as well.
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I think the pic and the name was in the first RAR that I sent you.
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I'm uploading the .RAR on Rapidshare.
Anyways, this is what you can expect from Beta:
-Replica replacement finished.
-Arthrobotics and RA Reincarnated updated, as well as a few Stock AI bots
-Some of my rebuilds need to be fixed - so i'll rebuild them again.
-Improved bindings, maybe not for all.
-A few teams entirely made by me. I'm aiming for five.
-All builder teams that i already have included. All of them. Since i haven't received much, all teams will be included (Including all of Phil's 6 teams).
That is all.
hehehe... NAR AI is uploaded... let's go!
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Why not use the GTM uploader?
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Yeah I can't wait to see this pack. I shouldve made a Team for this though...
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@Pwn: It doesn't seems to work, but i am trying again and will give you a Gametechmods link if it works.
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Well I do have a problem for the user teams... some of you didn't sent me their team pictures.
Notably Urjak, Somebody, S32.
And all of you that want to participate, if you want your teams in the Beta, hurry up and send them to me.
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oh.
Are team Pics 24 by 24?
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nope 128x128.
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(Including all of Phil's 6 teams).
!
Well, they've been built so long ago that i don't know if they are very competitive yet.
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That's fine, i don't need a pack full of killers. I just want relatively good bots.
There's already Scavenger which fails at fighting but is mostly for originality and cool looks...
Also JoeCB1991 - i could redo your team pic if you want cause MSPaint is kinda crude.
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Sure, I just used MS Paint since its all I have.
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First post updated.
Yeah, next thing won't be Beta, but the final version... that is, v1.
I will get a v2 if i get some more teams (and by some more i mean over 5) after the v1 release.
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I shall get to work finishing the UI then ;-)
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(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee185/ninteen45/TwIsTeDMeTaLteampic.jpg)
Team pic for TwIsTeD MeTaL.
I couldn't really be bothered to do a good one.
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.........
.......?
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my 2 minute (literally) job
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s36/westcoastdrags/twistedmetal.png)
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I think JoeBlo's is better.... :)
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Yeah, use that then.
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Hi, are you still looking for teams? Also since I am still quite new I am not too sure what the following means
crawlers and jumpers would be allowed but not Trinity bots or nasty pickles
So crawlers = weapons as wheels (does not have any real wheels to drive with?)
Jumpers = bot that jumps with burst motors, possibly with pistons pointed downward, but not pistons pointing up (as that would be consider fliers).
And what exactly is trinity glitch and nasty pickles?
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You're right for crawlers and jumpers - jumpers just jump (ya rly) with bursts or pistons.
https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Trinity_Glitch
https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Nasty_Pickle_Glitch
Note that disc SnS/shell spinners that nasty pickle if the disc is removed (Feeblemind) are allowed - it is bots that do rely on the nasty pickle glitch that are not allowed.
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I see, thanks for the info
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Updated first post.
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I guess I should ask if my skills are good enough for this pack? If so I can send some of the teams from the RPG Tourney.
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They are good enough. Just be sure to send the good ones.
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double poooooost
Well i just wanted to say i was leaving my parent's home to go permanently (i will come back the weekends though) in the town where i study (Strasbourg exactly), and at the place i sleep at, i won't be able to connect to the internets (In my university i can by Wifi) - my holidays end the 14th september.
So i'll spend less time on the forums - but that doesn't means i'll stop building. The NAR AI v1.0 fix will be released in one week, and the v2 release date will be Christmas 2009 - no delay. Expect me to enter all DSL tournaments as well , and all stock works (KOK, this month's BotM, ACAMS's robot design thing with a gay chassis, and RAW 2, and the team for Inf); but excepted that don't except many stock things for me...
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<=O
<=O
<=O noooooooooooooooooooo
I'll get one o 2 or teams in this week or early next week.
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thats a little sad to hear Nar but best of luck with your studies im moving into beyond school studies next year so I know the work involved.
so this means your tittle of most likely to be online is up for grabs :P
on the Nar AI topic I plan on tweaking out that UI further over this weekend so it will look even better then before.
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School is a reeeeeeaaaaaaaaal killer....
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Also, if you want your team to be in v2.0, you must send it to me before December 1st - i can accept updates later though.
Send meas much teams as you like - if there are 40 additional builder teams (i highly doubt about this though) i will be happy.
Expect 10 additional teams from me as well.
Yeah, i am seeing BIG.
Edit: TAKA, INF, R0B0, REIER YOU BETTER SEND SOMETHING, and if the mighty Click does me the honor of submitting something i will be happy as well.
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this is just going to grow to the point of no other DSL AI packs will be needed lol I will defiantly make a team for v2 given my skill in DSL has improved a fair bit
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MOAR TEAMZ !!!!!!!!!!!1
Anyways - i still have 7 bots to build/update and if i am not lazy, the fix will be released sooner than i planned - that is, 2 days.
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I will send something, about 2 teams, but I will need the help and tutelage of an advanced DSLer.
(R0B0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Updated first post.
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I will send something, about 2 teams, but I will need the help and tutelage of an advanced DSLer.
(R0B0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
O hai.
If I get my crap together, I might send in a team too.
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I have dug out some of my best robot to make a team I wont be able to AI them all within the next 1 or 2 days however, if you dont need them by then then great :-D still unsure on my MW as of now but the rest is all good
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I also have a few teams I would like to send to you, but 1 of them I think you won't like.
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Flail bots or crawlers ?
Doesn't matters to have some in NAR AI (Urjak already spammed me with them) if they are good... even if ghey :P
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I might be able to assemble a 2nd teams of servo boosters :P only issue is AIing some of them....
when do you need teams by ?
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December first, however after that you can update them.
Oh and i am sorry, but servo boosting bots do work on a glitch, and as such not realistic and not allowed in NAR AI, like Trinity bots.
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no problems i was just playing around :P
but I do have a serious team thats nearly good to go, its a mixture of 4 flippers and 2 spinners right now
LW - a rather powerful flipper
MW - unsure as I was going to use loaded dice but its untested
HW - a shell spinner
other 3 - a renamed Evolve as a SHW and then likely Gamebreaker and Playmaker my SHW cluster bot
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like Trinity bots.
*Cough* ribbs *cough*
If you divert your gaze to my showcase, I showed my team, still working on it, Pandemic has to be improved, making better wedges on Infected, etc.
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*Cough* ribbs *cough*
If you divert your gaze to my showcase, I showed my team, still working on it, Pandemic has to be improved, making better wedges on Infected, etc.
Dude, your like cloning the names of every bot one one my teams.
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Danggit do I have to rename everybot *sigh*........, I acually never saw your Pandemic.
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Feeblemind's AI dosen't quite work for me. It will seek out a place and start spinning, but it won't stop even when it's being counted out.
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That is weird. Feeblemind's FBS.py works VERY well in my game, it chases the opponent while spinning in ellipses.
Does anyone else has problems with Feeblemind ?
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Does anyone else has problems with Feeblemind ?
Yeap, just spins, won't move even if being counted out
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I do recieved 6 teams for v2 for now. I am planning to get 10 teams in by myself, but please enter more (R0B0???). I'll aim for 15 more builder teams.
Russian, Trumpet, i need an update for your teams as well.
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I will have a team done for this with my awesome flail flamer throwers :-D
what is the deadline as I am fairy busy over the next week ?
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December 1st for your teams, and if you have a team and want to get some updates you must send them before 15th December.
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fantastic, no problem then :-D
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I do recieved 6 teams for v2 for now. I am planning to get 10 teams in by myself, but please enter more (R0B0???). I'll aim for 15 more builder teams.
Russian, Trumpet, i need an update for your teams as well.
Doh remind me to send in my teams if there's still open spots.
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There are still 14 open slots... so go on.
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K I'll get right on it
*Goes search for your comments*
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I do recieved 6 teams for v2 for now. I am planning to get 10 teams in by myself, but please enter more (R0B0???). I'll aim for 15 more builder teams.
I'm working on it, don't worry. I have mabye a couple bots right now. I'm not happy with a lot of the stuff I've been building recently though, but I'm confident that I'll be able to get at least one team together.
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Hi, would you allow me to submit a team of toys with no battle capability? So far I only have 2 (warhead and turkey), but I do intend to make a few more later on.
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not meaning to speak for naryar but I think he got rid of all the replicas because they were basically "toys with no battle capability"
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Oh well that's too bad then. I guess I just submit a regular team then (only 1 LW to go).
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because they were basically "toys with no battle capability"
So true.
Also i dont like all these newbies fighting replicas and thinking their bot is good or USING replicas to fight rather than building seriously.
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You guys have 3 weeks remaining to send new teams in and 6 weeks remaining to send updates.
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Dodododo I will get these in, I've been pretty busy lately is all.
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Well, I got a team sitting around right now. So save me a spot as I will definitely have something to send in. I just want to wait a little bit to see if I can come up with something better.
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I've got at least 2 new ones to send in.
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Hey, Naryar what do you think about my BW, thats the only one I didn't improve on.
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I got one heckuva team. Mostly concept bots that are unique in their design.
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turns out Flail Flamers = very havoky so I still need loads of work to do to improve them
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Hey, Naryar what do you think about my BW, thats the only one I didn't improve on.
That's the best bot of the team.
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I just have to modify the AI then I'll send it to you.
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DP: Update sent....yesterday.
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I know. I will give you guys feedback when i will have more free time.
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Yo. What's the best wedge in NAR AI HWs?
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My top 3 would go to Eclipse, Century Storm and Second Sentinel.
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^^ Roughly.
Anyways you guys have 15 days to send me new teams.
I have only recieved 7 teams so far... and some of the top builders promised me more teams :pissd:
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Like me. xD
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and some of the top builders promised me more teams :pissd:
sorry you said I wasn't a top builder :P I might have to work off my original idea as flail flamers = havoks :(
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BAWWW
I am just asking for more really good teams in NAR AI...
...Doesn't means than top builders are the only builders allowed, you can participate as long as you're a decent builder.
And yes you said you was going to send a team, so i'm waiting for it as well since you have a very creative building style :D
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you said you was going to send a team, so i'm waiting for it as well since you have a very creative building style :D
not to worry its still coming. I was only trying to get you back for that time you didnt say I wasnt in the top 10 :P but that above complement makes up for it lol I will take what I can get :P
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Well... my criterion for top10 DSL builders are first sheer building skill(DSL knowledge and how do you apply it), second efficiency (how did you fared in tournaments), third creativity, fourth building experience (roughly how many bots did you built) and other more advanced skills like AIing, .py's, BFE so no luck for you bud XD
1st- Naryar (since i kept being outwedged i am not sure)
2nd- R0B0
3rd- Urjak
4th- Reier
5th- 123STW
6th- Mike
7th- Ounce
8th- Pwn
9th- Click
10th- Scrap
But for creativity you're in top3, dont worry...
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Lol I already have something sitting around and just waiting to see if something better comes up. I will send whatever I have over by thanksgiving.
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I will soon be on that list. Maybe.
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I know how....*hires assasins*
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Do you want to know something Nar?
MY SIG ISN'T GHEY!!! I Kill u!
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Just be careful about what you're saying or i'll call Pedobear.
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Do you want to know something Nar?
MY SIG ISN'T GHEY!!! I Kill u!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/737151.PNG)
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Nice Naryar, retaliating with an already overused internet meme, how ingenious and original!!!
Guys, just leave him alone, I honestly don't care what kind of sig a person has and whether or not they have one. I admit that his kinda doesn't fit here very much though.
Will send in one more team soon, but it's rather outdated. Will send updates soon after.
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Personally I hate big eyed japanese characters from 10 FPS cartoons but who cares. Big deal what his sig is.
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You guys better hurry for sending in your teams, or they won't appear in NAR AI v2, relase scheduled by end of December.
I am always accepting teams, but if you send them too late you won't see them appear until next September, and as the game will be balanced, some of them might work a little differently than expected.
I am being laxist with the deadline now, but it won't last forever !
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So when would the deadline be again? I might have another team to send in if I come up with a LW over the weekend.
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when is the deadline ? I think I may have missed it by 5 days :P if your still happy to I think I have worked out how to havok prevent my flail flame throwers :mrgreen:
if I get the green light I will get them to you in 1 or 2 days, team logo's and all that have already been done
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Yes you have missed it.
Deadline of deadlines is the 15th now.
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I want to but my comp is liek krashed at the mo so it'll be close.
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Does the team have to have a LW MW HW AW BW and SHW or can it be all LWs and MWs?
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It's LW MW HW and the three others whatever you want.
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ok. Give me a week and I will send in something.
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Thanks for sending something. You'l get feedback soon.
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Gah, screw it, I've never made a decent HW in RA2 and probably never will. Take me out.
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I'll get my updated team in by then I hope.
I'm going to post them in my showcase for tweaking.
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Updates can be sent before the 20th of December.
I am HOPING i can release it for Christmas.
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Russian, TG, Somebody, Scrap i need updates, R0B0 i need something as well and Reier you promised me some other team as well :ermm:
And for the guys that sent your bots but not the team name/bindings/team pic/motto, i need them as well.
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Motto: Playin' for keeps!
Bindings: soonish
SHW Update: also soonish
everything else should be good to go :mrgreen:
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I'm off until mid-January now, so today's the first day in a long time that I'll actually have the chance to sit down and hammer some stuff out. I have a LW, MW, and HW done and I'll try to get the other three done today as well.
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I need to stop being lazy and build something instead of playing this game.
bubbleshooter.net
im so addicted ahaha
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Am I the only one who thinks that NAR AI made DSL less about laid back competition and changed it to "I HAVE THE BETTER WEDGE FAGGOT GTFO GTMS!"
It feels that way to me...
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I thought I already send my update.
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S32, I think it's just because Nary takes his building vvvvveeeerrrrrrryyyyyy seriously, and that he builds a lot of gutrippers, which are heavily reliant on wedges.
I somewhat agree, though.
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Am I the only one who thinks that NAR AI made DSL less about laid back competition and changed it to "I HAVE THE BETTER WEDGE FAGGOT GTFO GTMS!"
It feels that way to me...
Hey at least none of the bots I am sending has wedge. So there are 2 teams without wedge at least.
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I entered 6 robots all without a single wedge
2 are specifically designed to destroy wedges too ;)
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Well, I'm kinda happier now that I hear that.
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I understand how much focus there is on wedges but there are ways around
on a side note backlash features next to no wedge building materials ;)
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I understand how much focus there is on wedges but there are ways around
on a side note backlash features next to no wedge building materials ;)
I agree. Back in the days there are only 2x metal hinge/2x 120 angle titanium skirts, 56kg total. Nowadays to consistently win the wedge war you need 2x bsg/6x flipper segments/2x small wedge, that's a total of 88kg for a wedge that breaks on impact. Since the only bots you have to worry about not getting under happens to requiring upper wedge (say skirt hinge on titanium sheet), that's another 35 kg. So you essentially have 123 more kg to work around the wedge with. It shouldn't be too difficult to come up with something that does.
I guess you guys can be the judge as to rather or not me and/or Joe are successful at doing so once NAR AI come out.
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AHHHHhhhHhHh man I'm so busy. I might not be able to AI it, is that ok?
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Yes. I'd rather have non-AIed bots that no bots at all...
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Did you get my PM?
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Yes. Will send you feedback later.
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Sent another team. Hopefully your still accepting them...
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Yes. I'd rather have non-AIed bots that no bots at all...
I will have 4 bindings guaranteed today as they all use basically the same :P
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Yeah, so just an official announcement.
As said, NAR AI v2.0 will be released on January 10th. It will have 8 teams built by me, and at least 18 new builder teams (Trumpetguy, Scrap and 123STW said they were building a new thing), for a total of 66 teams minimum !
Another official announcement.
NAR AI v3.0 - I am planning another release in June, but it will NOT be the actual mod i said.
I will accept more teams by you guys (R0B0 !!!!), but i especially want to focus that release on updates. That is, i most likely won't build a lot of new teams, but will rebuild/update most of the v1.1 bots.
About the NAR AI actual mod that i promised, it will be released at the end of 2010. It can be September or next Christmas, i can't predict anything now :P
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First post updated.
And yes, v2.2 will be released Feb 10th unless i have some major issue.