Author Topic: NAR AI Mod - Ideas and Discussion (new poll) (Read 20367 times)

JoeBlo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2009, 06:38:50 AM »

Quote from: Naryar;80733

I don't like to say Thanks !

start learning how to if you want more help from me :P

this is just some white text... I dont know why its here or why your interested in reading it ?:-D

Naryar · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2009, 06:41:53 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo;80734

start learning how to if you want more help from me :P

But I just said it !!!!!

Naryar · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2009, 02:02:10 AM »

An example of what will be legal in the finished mod.

Introducing.... EMO'S REVENGE !!!!!!!!!!1

5mm steel, NPC(too) fasts, and yes there is a Ti sheet on the skirt hinge.

BTW i balanced the claw.

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #23 on:** November 27, 2009, 03:49:47 PM »

Cool beans. I'm not sure I agree with un-hiding ALL the cheatbot2 parts though. Some of them are good, but 90% of them are completely unusable (who's gonna put Matilda's head on their bot, seriously?) and the components list is unmanageably long with all those parts visible. Ever tried building a bot with cheatbot2 on? It's frustrating trying to find what you need...

Badnik96 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 27, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Naryar;72423

-Increasing hitpoints of:
-Motors (the ones with 400 HP)

YES!!!!

I SERIOUSLY think that the reason I lost in RIP is because of the 400 HP Mags.

Naryar · « **Reply #25 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:11:11 PM »

^^ Not even to mention Ribbs...

Quote from: Clickbeetle;81163

Cool beans. I'm not sure I agree with un-hiding ALL the cheatbot2 parts though. Some of them are good, but 90% of them are completely unusable (who's gonna put Matilda's head on their bot, seriously?) and the components list is unmanageably long with all those parts visible. Ever tried building a bot with cheatbot2 on? It's frustrating trying to find what you need...

Either i am removing the useless cheatbot2 parts from the game (Yes, removing. No more cheating :P), either i am balancing all of them but keep them hidden, so there's no problem about that.

Urjak · « **Reply #26 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:17:18 PM »

Quote from: Badnik96;81165

I SERIOUSLY think that the reason I lost in RIP is because of the 400 HP Mags.

Just becasue I was so bored, I actually went back and looked at your RIP match. I think it is safe to say the weak mags are not the reason you lost. The main reason appears to be that your SNS was simply too slow to knock Cadet away from you, and he was able to gut-rip and KO you.

On topic: This mod sounds like it could be seriously cool. It would be nice definetly if some of the cheat parts could be balanced and legally used.

Naryar · « **Reply #27 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:19:45 PM »

Quote from: Urjak;81168

It would be nice definetly if some of the cheat parts could be balanced and legally used.

Exactly what i am doing - Emo's Revenge is the first example.

kreiven · « **Reply #28 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:14:04 AM »

HE JE HE ..

123savethewhales · « **Reply #29 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:58:29 AM »

You know, I kind of grown a liking to the ant batteries and small chassis. From what I have observed, the transition to ant batteries seems to have promote new designs and innovation rather than hurting the game in any way. Bringing it back to large batteries just reduce usable weight/increase chassis size/limit the type of builds avaliable. The fact is most people will gravitate toward the "best battery" regardless. I suggest leaving ant batteries and take out the other batteries entirely.

Also, I would suggest increasing amp output of ant to 15. This is for 2 reasons.

1. It allow Ant/Beetle/Light weight to be at full power easier.
2. It help reduce the handicap set on burst motor.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #30 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:18:30 AM »

funny you should say that, Backlash has 2 insect size batteries which are set to be not very good at all

large Car Batteries will be the way :D

Avalanche · « **Reply #31 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:25:57 AM »

Quote from: kreiven on December 21, 2009, 06:14:04 AM

HE JE HE ..

AH! SPAM!

JoeBlo · « **Reply #32 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:35:09 AM »

please ignore it, you created another spam post so now we have 2 instead of 1

123savethewhales · « **Reply #33 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:38:26 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo on December 21, 2009, 07:18:30 AM

funny you should say that, Backlash has 2 insect size batteries which are set to be not very good at all

large Car Batteries will be the way :D

And why do you think designing the game to require having a fixed size/weight set aside for the "large car batteries", help promote creativity in the game? I am just curious.

You know, I been thinking a lot about how to balance the parts so different parts gets used, and I come to the conclusion that batteries/gas tank will never have any diversity unless they are exactly the same (in which case it's pointless to have 2). There are no sense in making a battery twice the size with twice the power. If the large battery have a bonus then all bot will be using the large one providing they are within the weight class to do so. If the small battery has a bonus then that's the only one that will get used.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #34 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:42:11 AM »

well its basically like stock isnt it ? supervolt, nifty and slim, I based mine off that

do you really think bigger batteries kills creativity ?

123savethewhales · « **Reply #35 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:46:21 AM »

Well, if we talking about stock bots without stack, then yes. The batteries take up so much space and weight you have no space for everything else.

The more chassis space/weight batteries occupies, the less you have for everything else. And regardless how you "balance" it you still end up with 1 good battery. It then becomes rather you want the good battery to be included for LW or only MW/HW can get the benefit, and how big do you think the minimum chassis size should be.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #36 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:58:03 AM »

I see

I haven't actually balanced out values yet, once I am done making all components would you like to help me balance everything ?

Naryar · « **Reply #37 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:58:16 AM »

Ant batteries might be the best batteries in the game... but when you start to use Beta bursts, you're starting to waste weight with them.

So i am not removing other batteries from the game, rather upping their electotal so that they are more worth it - adding another equation into the game that you guys will have to solve.

I am removing ballasts and a few useless components like Firestorm stuff and Chaos2 stuff however.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #38 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:32:33 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo on December 21, 2009, 07:58:03 AM

I see

I haven't actually balanced out values yet, once I am done making all components would you like to help me balance everything ?

I guess I can try.

I think there's an easy way to look at it. Instead of thinking "how much power/amp a better should have", think "how much space/weight do you want batteries to occupy a bot with 4 motors? So if I want it to take up a 2x2x2 square, then I will design it so you need to have that many batteries to run 4 motors for the 3 minutes time.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #39 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:38:04 AM »

I like your way of thinking and knowledge of component values, its while off yet but I will get back to you when I need to balance them all

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What exactly do you want or wish for in NAR AI ? (2 votes)

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