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Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 29, 2008, 03:43:29 PM
Hi anyone, im new to this.
Could someone tell me hoe to edit an arena?
Basically, i want to add some hazards to the RA2TT arena for Wild Robots.
I want to add a pit, floor flipper and hammer.
But i dont have a ruddy clue how to do it!
So can someone tell me how to add these, and if they do it will be greatly appriciated!
And i have another favour, because i cant make an arena, could anyone make a Roaming Robots arena for me?
Its for my Roaming Robots AI pack that im making.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME!
Thanks
Whamett
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Somebody on August 29, 2008, 03:44:42 PM
You should start a showcase, to help you with your building so that way the pack is more challenging.

Edit: Sorry, but I have no clue at editing arenas.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: goose on August 29, 2008, 05:15:23 PM
It is not easy at all. There are 2 ways to make an arena:
1. use 3dstudio max version 4.2 or 5. I heard rumors of being able to in version 8 but I never saw it done.

2. use a text edetor like notepad++ and  manually edit values.

to edit an existing arena you will need to use option #2, or somehow get the .max file.

I need to point out that in the history of ra2 there have only been 9 people that have made a new arena:
Darkrat
Lu-tze
AW
goose(me)
HackerX
Clickbeetle
Firebeetle
dummy(dumbstan)
Slider
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Madiaba on August 29, 2008, 07:31:04 PM
....and Madiaba... *hehe*. I did make a new one out of an empty gmf, from scratch.:tongue: .
 
I SHOULD RULE THE WORLD!!!!..., but I'm still working on ruling myself...:baby_smily:.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 30, 2008, 04:32:49 AM
Hey, goose, if its not to much trouble, could you make me a new Wild Robots arena?
If you could, that would be great!
I would like the arena to look a little something like this:
(http://https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/35546New Wild Robots Arena.JPG)
The Blue and Red squres would be starting points, and the other two SP would be where the greed dots are.
The yellow circle would be a pit realease, but if its to hard, ill just have a open top pit.
The diagonal rectangle would be a floor flipper and the red hammer looking thing would be, a hammer!
The grey walls around the arena would contain the crowd, and the OOTA part i want to be the same level as the arena platform.
I would REALLY love it if i had it!
But, if anyone looking for a arena idea, (and yes, i know ive mentioned this before!) a RR arena would be a good place to battle!
But the Wild Robots Arena 2 would be even better!
Goose, if you could do it for me, that would be fantastic, thanks!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 30, 2008, 04:33:33 AM
Sorry, the arena should be here:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/35546New Wild Robots Arena.JPG)
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Madiaba on August 30, 2008, 07:59:06 AM
Quote from: [COLOR=black
goose[/color];13472]It is not easy at all.
Quote from: [URL=[COLOR=black
WhamettNuht[/color];13472]Hey, goose, if its not to much trouble, could you make me a new Wild Robots arena?

W-nut, Goose just explained that it is allot of work.
Your aspirations are really cool to see, so why don't you learn the basics and take off from there... It is not too difficult to understand, just takes some time. But it is significant work to build an arena.
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As far as your request to Goose, he can answer for himself.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: System32 on August 30, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
You fail at BBcode.

Hey, maybe somone could make a tutorial on this and put it on youtube.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: infiniteinertia on August 30, 2008, 12:29:53 PM
This is why I go on rampages.







But I will not.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: System32 on August 30, 2008, 12:41:38 PM
What? I'd like to know how they are made? Do you manually code in where parts can collide? How do you add hammers?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 30, 2008, 12:48:57 PM
Yeah, i would like to know how to make arenas!
And goose, sorry about troubling you, but if you know any one else to contact who could help me, that would be excelant!
I dont have all the equipment to make stuff all like arenas and new components, i dont even have a ruddy clue what to do, so just bear with me, ok?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 31, 2008, 01:53:56 PM
Hey, are there any Sumo arenas?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Naryar on August 31, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
Tabletops.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 31, 2008, 03:35:21 PM
With out a hole in the middle!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Naryar on August 31, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
Claw Top. Have you ever played tabletop matches?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 31, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
OF CORSE!
I mean a Sumo arena like the Robot Wars and Technogames one!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: goose on August 31, 2008, 04:59:02 PM
sorry mad, ive been away for awhile. props to you.
on the the list of people I am the only one that is "somewhat" still part of the community. I really don't play the game much any more.   Sadly I barely have enough time to sleep.

One of the most difficult tasks is finding 3d studio max 4 or 5. both the legal and illegal routes are now difficult.  So even if I were to make a tutorial Im not sure how god it would be.

Clickbeetle did make a tutorial on how to make a component using notepad++. I would highly suggest starting there.  The basic concept is the same as it is for making arenas.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Naryar on August 31, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
Well perhaps you could find your match in the DSL arenas...

They should work for stock RA2. Just take the Arenas folder in a DSL version (or download DSL) and overwrite in your stock Arena folder. Make sure they're all here (don't lose some in the process).

I'm not sure about this, so make a backup of the Stock RA2 Arena folder in case it crashes the game.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on August 31, 2008, 05:12:16 PM
There are no good Sumo-like arenas in DSL!!!!!!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: DuckRA2 on September 01, 2008, 04:35:01 PM
I acually could try to make a sumo one, maybe later, im working on remembering everyhing from a while ago...
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on September 02, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
Thanks DuckRA2!
I might use it for my Wild Robots events.
Thanks!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: SpyGuy on September 02, 2008, 07:35:33 PM
The best suggestion would be to take an existing arena, such as the clawtop arena, and use notepad++ to modify it.  You have to start to learn somewhere, so may as well start at the beginning instead of jumping in near the end and getting all excited/upset because you can't do it.  Most of the veterans on here started off exactly where you are, but they had the time and patience to actually sit down and learn what they were doing.  It takes time to learn how to modify an arena - I've been around a LOT longer than you have (as in, I was a senior member on the original RA2 forums), and I still haven't got it down yet.  But, if you're not willing to be patient and  learn, there's not a lot of people who will bother helping you.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on September 03, 2008, 09:59:36 AM
Thanks for your help, Spy Guy.
I dont have a bloody clue what to do even when i read the tutorials all the way through.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: DuckRA2 on September 04, 2008, 06:15:49 PM
lol you cant count on me to much, im not the Best, but i can do SOME stuff besides reskins. at the moment im making a cieling smasher arena. and i am busy and dont have time, but i could maybe make a arena soon or later
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Gigafrost on September 04, 2008, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: DuckRA2;14242
lol you cant count on me to much, im the Best, but i can do SOME stuff besides reskins. at the moment im making a cieling smasher arena. and i am busy and dont have time, but i could maybe make a arena soon or later
You are?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Madiaba on September 04, 2008, 08:22:37 PM
Cool, Duck.  Nice to see people diving in....
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: DuckRA2 on September 04, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
srry gig and guys, i totally ment to say not the best, super typo
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: WhamettNuht on September 05, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
What?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: goose on September 05, 2008, 12:18:14 PM
It must have been a typo a typo a typo, it must have been a typo it cant be true!


he meant to say "im not the best", he antecedently said "im the best".
however, he edited and fixed his post ;)
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Venko on September 05, 2008, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: goose;13798
One of the most difficult tasks is finding 3d studio max 4 or 5. both the legal and illegal routes are now difficult.

Deka hecto kilo mega giga tera femta atta FALSE. Only for the last month 5 persons here from the forum are happy owners of 3DstudioMAX5, because of me. If anybody need it PM me. ATTENTION : It won't run under Vista !!!
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: System32 on September 05, 2008, 02:17:29 PM
It's still hard, we're just lucky.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Venko on September 05, 2008, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: System32;14323
It's still hard, we're just lucky.

What is hard S32?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: System32 on September 05, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
To find the Dload for Studiomax3. You just happen to have it, an be willing to share it.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Naryar on September 05, 2008, 02:47:53 PM
You want to get it by torrent?
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: System32 on September 05, 2008, 02:58:01 PM
Venko has it, I could easily PM him for it.
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Venko on September 05, 2008, 04:03:05 PM
BTW, when we speaking now, meanwhile the people that have it are 6 now...
Nary, i dont think you will find it in a torrent from where you can download it. Even if you find one it will not have seeds. I have had mine from a long long time, thats why i have it...
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: goose on September 05, 2008, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: venko;14322
Deka hecto kilo mega giga tera femta atta FALSE. Only for the last month 5 persons here from the forum are happy owners of 3DstudioMAX5, because of me. If anybody need it PM me. ATTENTION : It won't run under Vista !!!

I was talking about torrents/ limewire
Title: Editing arenas
Post by: Death on September 07, 2008, 07:16:15 PM
every good torrent willl have 0 seeds
Title: Re: Editing arenas
Post by: HereticBlue on April 28, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
Right I understand that this topic is quite ancient in internet terms but I think it would be best to post here rather than make an entirely new thread for more or less the same subject.

I use 3Ds Max 8 and I'm having a crack at arena editing before I make the full dive into creating an arena from scratch presumably in a similar manner to how components are made. I decided that replacing the saw blades in the Robot Wars with the angle grinder bumpers would be a good start so... I selected the sawblade text in the gmf file and replaced from *Mesh to the space above *BACKFACE_CULL with that of the exported model of the grinder under the display and collision but when I tried compiling the file it resulted in a constant stream of errors and upon loading the arena in the game, it crashed.

So, what Am I doing wrong here and is there a similar method of getting it working in arena? I understand that there is a more visual way of editing arenas as Wham has posted a screenshot of the editing process when he lowered the arena walls but I have no idea what it is and how to use it. Also before it starts sounding like I'm badgering everyone, how do I resize the arenas as I think the RW arena is also far too large to look accurate.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2wdd4eb.jpg)

Yep, was able to lower the walls:


(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/11751screenshot_76.jpg)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/31291screenshot_77.jpg)


Thanks, hope to hear back from well, anyone soon!
Title: Re: Editing arenas
Post by: cephalopod on April 28, 2014, 02:13:47 PM
I don't know much (well, anything) about arena editing, but I am aware modders do a lot of resizing work in Excel, and I believe those screenshots you posted are just RA2 with the collision meshes on (F12 I think?), so no editing there.
Title: Re: Editing arenas
Post by: Trovaner on April 28, 2014, 11:07:34 PM
I use 3Ds Max 8 and I'm having a crack at arena editing before I make the full dive into creating an arena from scratch presumably in a similar manner to how components are made. I decided that replacing the saw blades in the Robot Wars with the angle grinder bumpers would be a good start so... I selected the sawblade text in the gmf file and replaced from *Mesh to the space above *BACKFACE_CULL with that of the exported model of the grinder under the display and collision but when I tried compiling the file it resulted in a constant stream of errors and upon loading the arena in the game, it crashed.
The first error is the only one that matters. In fact, the text dump tells you exactly where your issue is.

If you don't mind, could you post the entire GMF's contents into some [code] tags so that we can see what all you changed. I suspect that the problem is that you forgot to remove/edit one of the references to the sawblade but I'll know right away after seeing the first error message. Its been awhile since I worked in any of the GMF files but I'm confident that I could diagnose the issue given the necessary information.
Title: Re: Editing arenas
Post by: HereticBlue on April 29, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
Please excuse the bluntness of this message, I spent quite some time writing the previous reply out merely to get a crash so I'm not in a good mood right now.


Cheers Trov, its quite difficult to get an understand of what is needed to be done when there are no tutorials of suitable threads for this kind of thing so I am very greatful that your willing to offer your help.

The GMF of the file I want to edit is attached below, this is the saw section of the GMF which I assume is what I need need to replace.

EDIT: the gmf code were too large for the post so I have attached them as well
Title: Re: Editing arenas
Post by: Trovaner on April 30, 2014, 03:33:10 AM
The first error that you get is the result of Serge's GMF decompiler and the second error which you have yet to see is also the result of an issue in Serge's GMF decompiler. You would have gotten both of these even if you hadn't replaced the saw with the grinder... That said, I think it would be of some benefit to people if I explain how I was able to figure this out and how you can fix both of these errors (both are pretty minor and Serge's tools are still by far the best options for compiling AND decompiling).