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Robot Arena => Modifications => Topic started by: Clickbeetle on January 11, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
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Okay first off, this is not an official announcement. The point of this thread is to give everyone a heads up about when I plan to "officially" post rules and stuff for BBEANS5. That way, hopefully by the time the date I have in mind rolls around, some of the tourneys going on right now will be close to conclusion, and there won't be an excess of new tourneys popping up.
That said, I'm thinking about Sunday, March 1st for the official posting of the rules and accepting of entries. The tournament is NOT starting now, so don't send in your entries yet because that puts me in an awkward position!
Again, that's Sunday, March 1st when registration will probably open. Though that's still tentative at this point.
Plenty of time to plan and get your bots ready! There will be no (well, almost no) excuse for late entries!
Speaking of bots, while BBEANS5 isn't official yet, there are a few things you can count on:
-The game will be Stock. No DSL, no custom.
-The weight class will be Heavyweight.
-The arena will be the BBEANS Tournament Arena V2.
-There will be a lot of HS's and popups.
Wait a minute, BBEANS Tournament Arena V2? What's this?
It's what I've been working on for the past week... version 2 of the arena used for BBEANS4.
Here's a general overview of the new arena:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38591btarena21.jpg)
Ignore those things in the corners for now... I'll get to those later. For now, the main difference here is three things:
1. The arena is slightly bigger. The fighting area is now 24x24 meters, where it used to be 22x22.
2. The fence is slightly higher--1.75 meters where before it was 1.5 meters.
3. The fence is now completely transparent. It doesn't look as cool, but it will be a lot easier to see the bots when I'm filming with Orbit camera. No more hiding in the corners.
As before, the wall around the blade retracts into the floor partway through the match:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/61660btarena22.jpg)
This time, though, it happens after 1 minute instead of one and a half minutes. That's 30 seconds more of spinning blade action.
Why the change to a 1 minute activation time? Well because there's something else that happens after 2 minutes :mrgreen:
See those red lights in the corners? For the first two minutes they don't mean anything. You can stomp on top of those ominous-looking metal plates all you want and nothing will happen. But at 1:55 they'll turn yellow and a warning buzzer will sound.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/84772btarena23.jpg)
When that happens, you know it's time to scram. Because when the clock reaches 2:00 and the lights turn green...
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/19958btarena24.jpg)
The flippers activate!
As cool as the blade is, after BBEANS4 I felt the arena still needed something... more. There weren't as many good blade hits as I was hoping. So I added these flippers in the corners.
The danger from these flippers is twofold. The obvious danger here is that your bot will be flipped, and if it's not invertible or if it can't self-right, you'll be counted out.
But where's the fun in that? Just being tipped on your back and slowly counted out? No one likes to lose by immobilization.
That's why I tweaked the angle and power on the flippers such that, if you get launched straight from the back of the flipper, you will usually land...
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/76695btarena25.jpg)
...near to, if not right on top of the blade! The two hazards work beautifully together. If your bot is unlucky enough to suffer a double whammy like that, don't expect it to come out unscathed.
There is still a bit of tweaking I might need to do with the AI navigation around the flippers, so unfortunately, the arena isn't up for download yet. But it will be before BBEANS5.
Also, you needn't worry about getting stuck under the flippers. I thought of that, and put invisible collision under the flippers so you can't drive under them. That would indeed be a terrible way to lose.
So there's the arena... now you all know what to plan for. There's enough room for spinners to get around, but there are also enough low walls and hazards for wedges to perform well.
My hope is that with the flippers and blade acting together, there will be even less boring matches than in BBEANS4.
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yay!
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Im totally in!!!! (when we can register)
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WOW. That's all I can say.
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obstacle in middle=no rammers, sad day for me.
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Well that certainly is enough time for me to make a much better bot than last time. :P
Looking forward to it, nice arena as well.
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Owned by an AW. LOL!
Oh, and nice arena.
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-There will be a lot of HS's and popups.
How do you know that ? :biggrin:
With the arena like that i might enter a r... wait, why would i reveal this immediatly?
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Wow arena looks awesome! Definitely going to enter! I have a bot planned. Could just be terrible but it might work...
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Hmm, what will I enter? MANTO6? C.H.A.O.S. Mk4? A Cluster bot? I expect some good bots this year. God knows what bots Sage and venko will make.
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Hey click, I was thinking for future stock BBEANS you should make an arena that is a little less HS friendly just to change it up a bit for people.
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Hmm, what will I enter? MANTO6? C.H.A.O.S. Mk4? A Cluster bot? I expect some good bots this year. God knows what bots Sage and venko will make.
Dunno about Venko, but I'm gonna try and go with my tourney legacy of something somewhat original. That means no 36 iron HS for me. Too bad inf's entering Absolute Chaos. Oh well.
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Is it ok that i enter?
I know im a newbie, but id quite like a go!
Since it might be my first event, i might make a cluster bot, if thats ok?
I have something in mind which might be quite deadly.
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@Wham : Everyone can enter if the bot follows the rules... that's exactly why, no offense to Click, something like the fourth of the BBEANS3 competitors were badly built or utter crap.
@Kill: Agreed.
I think i'll enter a popup or a rupter, because i am sure that either a popup or either a 36 iron (36-mace?) will win this one.
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Sweet, I'm going to get to work on my entry now instead of just making something in 5 minutes like I did for BBEANS 4.
I would also recommend putting that in the DSL 3.0 pack, along with some of your other Arenas.
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Ah ha! I know! A Trinty SnS!
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I just hope it is Realistic Rule-Stock.
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I just hope it is Realistic Rule-Stock.
I highly doubt that it will be.
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:)Yay!:) A stock tourney!
Nice work on the arena, Click.
Can't wait for this to start
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oh yeeeahh
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That's a nice arena, Click. If you would like me to do a little skin-work on that arena, let me know (although it looks pretty good as is!)
Gee, how long has it been since I entered a tourney .....? Too long ........
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I highly doubt that it will be.
Damn, I hate using glitches.
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i spose i'd best enter because i will nag MetalikVyper if he doesent enter.
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Bear claws allowed? I have an idea with them...
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I'm working on creating a few possible entries, and I will submit the one that works the best.
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Yay! BBEANS!
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I know thats its been forever since i have been around but i am defiantly going to enter when you can that is. By the way that arena is very nice great work.
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Is there any place to download the arena?
Edit: Never mind, just reread the first post. Can't wait for this and other tourneys to start.
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A couple more things you should expect that I didn't mention:
-There won't be a realistic rule. Sometime I want to hold a stock tournament with a realistic rule, because it would be interesting to see what people could come up with. But not now. The LW and MW tourneys were both anything-goes, and I want to keep things consistent for the AI pack.
-AI parts and Snapper II's will be allowed, just like in previous stock tournaments. Not cheatbot2 though.
-Trinity SnS's will not be allowed, unless you can somehow find a way to control one.
And just for the record, while the arena isn't exactly hostile to HS's, let me tell you it's a lot less friendly than the Combat Arena. So don't think it's "HS-friendly". My hope is that it will be a design where any bot type can win.
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Well, there goes that idea:frown:. Then again, I can control it, but I might as well build something else.
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What Glitches are allowed?
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IMO, the winner will be a 36 HS or a popup.
Is the rupt glitch allowed ?
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Anything goes as long as it's in the bot lab. Same as previous tournaments.
Rupt glitch is allowed. But man, I haven't seen a new bot that actually uses that glitch in forever.
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I think that the rupt glitch would be a bad idea, because if the bot misses the other bot when it launches or just launches the weapons at all, it is nearly guaranteed to leave the arena.
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I was actually thinking of entering 2 MW caster armored rupt flippers as a multibot for BBEANS5.
But this against a 36 weapon HS like BBEANS5 will be stuffed of...
If the rupter idea still doesn't works (even on a HW) i'll just use the best popup i could build.
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But this against a 36 weapon HS and side hammers and rammers and VS like BBEANS5 will be stuffed full of...
Fixed it.
Seriusly, don't stereotype like that.
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I am stereotyping because 2 HS won the previous Stock BBEANS, and a popup and another HS were runner-ups.
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Will it? We seen major upsets before.
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Eh, I'll get smoked, but I'll give BB5 a try.
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Anything can happen. I will be posting a possible entry in my showcase soon, because it needs some wedgyness help.
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The only thing my bot has is weapons that pass through the batteries and the motors, I decided that it would be too much of an effort to use glitches. I don't think I'll do very well, but at least I'll try.
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Okay, my sister might be entering like R1885's brother.
She joined the forums by the name of "nerd500".
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Hi! I'm new here, this tournament looks neat! Can I join? :D
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Sure, ask click. He'll make a reservation at table five.
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Whoa, another girl on the forums. Hi Reier's sister!
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IT BURNS!!1!11
=P
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Whoa, another girl on the forums.
I actually thought the same thing.
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he he he. Feel the burn Reier! Do ya feel it!
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Shhhh ..... it's really Barbie under another tag ......
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O RLY?
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O RLY RLY??
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O RLY?
Best meme EVER.
*applauses*
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*applauds*
Fixed
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...Thanks, S32.
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Are you insulting me?
I'm not using a vauge username.
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There is a system32 in every single computer. If that isn't vague, nothing is.
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Yeah, but somebody can mean any person. System32 is a folder in a computer specifically ones that run a windows OS, which isn't vague at all. (Correct me if I'm wrong here, guys.)
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No, I was calling Somebody S32 because he was being a grammar nazi.
By the way it's "specifically"
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Ooh, Irony.
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Now just imagine the MILLIONS of Windows computers in the world.
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....... all of them crashing at the same time, thanks to new Windows Vista!!!!!
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Listen, I don't want to fuel the fire, I really don't, but I don't understand why every topic on this forum has to turn into some sort of argument about stupid crap. It gets to the point where enough is enough. Now, if I remember correctly (and I could be wrong, you just never know) the topic of this thread was at one point BBEANS5...
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Yes, I do need to get to work on a bot.
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....... all of them crashing at the same time, thanks to new Windows Vista!!!!!
My new PC keeps getting the Blue Screen when I go online on some websites. But at least it just restarts the PC...
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my vista has never had a bluescreen (or really crashed for that matter. windows movie maker killed it a few times when trying to make a video with about .2 second clips in a row (the monitor just can't handle it.)
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So has anyone compiled the list of contestants for this thing? Who's going to be in it?
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Click, Nar, Sage, Scrap, Wham, Reier, R1885, Man manu, Sys, Possibly starcore... Spy, Kill, Inf, Pysc, Joe, some of the newbies, Giga, Barbie and perhaps a few others who arn't as active.
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me
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What about it?
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I'm going to be in it, and I have a new bot that will surprise you all.
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Got my laptop, RA2 is on the way! You can bet I'm joining!
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Wow, im not considered a newbie anymore... I'm honoured.
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I was planning on getting in on this but i was not aware that we could register yet. If you can im in if not then i can wait.
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its not official for the registering yet.
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I would be happy to enter. Time has moved forward though, we will see if my HW designs are still competitive.
Starcore
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We are all doomed.
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I would be happy to enter. Time has moved forward though, we will see if my HW designs are still competitive.
Starcore
We are SO dead ......
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I'm ****ed....
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I speak from experience that having a match against a great builder such as Starcore is an honor and not a dread.
Edit: Yeah, I'm in... rusty... but in.
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No, Starcore is a Godlike builder, and the rest of us are children trying to hammer stuff together.
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No, Starcore is a Godlike builder, and the rest of us are children trying to hammer stuff together.
Well then why were me an click up for best bots instead of him huh? HUH?!
Just kidding. but seriously, don't fret over it. It's all for fun right? And its probably not impossible to beat him. stranger things have happened (like Sorrow's team in the Tag Team championship beating Starcore and ACAMS) Of course that win would probably never happen again, but still...
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Sage is right, this is just for fun.
Quite frankly I would be honoured to go out to Starcore...
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Or me and inf not winning a single round in tag team...
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Even if you dont win a single round its fun just to build the bots. And contest them no matter what happens.
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I don't think I'll do very well since I am better with DSL than I am with Stock. But I think that I will win a match.
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Guys, would you stop wetting your pants... Sure, Starcore IS still ones of the best builders here, but... well, there are Inf, Click, Sage, ACAMS, Pysc that belong to the same category.
Don't think a rookie will win this one, though.
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I think too many of you are confusing Starcore's AI innovations with his building skill. Sure, he's a great builder, but I'd put Clickbeetle, Pyscolone, Sage, Inf, and ACAMS in his category though (last I checked, Scrap's getting there too...).
What we have him to thank for is basically the improvement in robot designs we've seen. If not for him, EMERGENCY might still be the toughest bot for most of us to beat.
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I have had others say I was known for my AI skills, not my building skills. I would like to think I was pretty good builder overall but I did spread myself quite thin filling in the gaps across the entire packs and helping people tune up their entries versus some people working on their private teams and known for excellence of a few key bots.
Back then I could not play online due to my network configuration, I knew that others were in the same boat and no matter what that people needed better stock AI opposition to practice against and learn from.
I did a pretty good job of pulling together the community with the Starcore Packs and leading the creation of DSL. Back then the RA2 community was at each others throats and many great builders were banned from this forum or that forum for lots of silly reasons. People like Rejected had nearly left the scene over all the fighting and had named himself Rejected because thats what had happened to him. DarkRat had been on the edge of leaving when I got him and Lutze interested in doing DSL. And it brought tears to my eyes when Lutze got out of her deathbed to help fix the DSL launcher to work with the Download Version of RA2 so we wouldn't lose that side of the community.
My skill was AIing, solid building across a wide range of bot types, program management and the desire to help teach people by example at a time when most all the veterans were hiding thier internals and spitting barbs at each other. Even used DSL to force forum leaders to get along and un-ban alot of people if they wanted to be involved in the DSL project council.
I do believe I have made some nice designs and I am pretty proud of my personal team, the Spin Doctors. Those that have played against them in Starcore 4 Alpha have seen what I could do but even that was over a year ago with plenty of time to practice against them. The side effect of putting out my bots as examples means that many can study and learn and grow. I fully expect you all to have risen past my efforts again. My top heavy weights are known and have been torn apart and fought by key members here many times. Heavy Weight Bots like the Starcore 4 Maelstrom, Spin Doctor, Warmachine and the revamped Alien Queen.
Godlike no. Glad that I could mentor and help a great bunch of kids, teens, and adults stay interested in robotics, engineering, building and creating via RA2 through the Starcore Packs and DSL, yes.
I will have to relearn RA2 again for this tourny. I am looking forward to it...
Starcore
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Well Starcore you're probably going to have the best AIed bot of this tourney...
I'm definitely going to build a HW rupter for this (doesn't mean i'll enter it).
Because any multibot entering this will get most probably raped by the first HS it'll meet.
Plus, i'm expecting fun fights with a rupter, and with an arena like that it could actually be efficient even against 36-maces if it rupts well (and this is the main difficulty when one builds a rupter).
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Wow starcore. I don't know what to say.
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Same here.
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Starcore basically taught me most of what i know about building today. (even though he didnt know it)
when i was learning the basics, (and most people remember) most of my bots were clones. A lot of people criticized me for it, but its actually a very good training technique. and guess whos bots i copied?
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I almost built a 3-2-1 Blastoff! clone for this tourney. But I have already resolved to entering (Insert Bot Name Here). No, seriously, thats the name.
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HaHaHaHa! You are sooo funny!
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Hmm, seems Test 1 isnt going well in the Whamett Stock Research Labs (lol!)
But im confindent i will enter.
I still have a couple of ideas in mind.
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Bounty Hunter 2 Bahahahaha
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Im definetly entering this, but im not going to build a new one, im too lazy, so I will just use something I have created earlier.
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Is DSA alowd?
I have a good design but im not sure if DSA is allowd or not.
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Why wouldn't it be?
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Ok.
I've tested this design, and it can beat Alien Queen and The Don.
I think im onto a winner!
EDIT: Also beaten Orbital Delivery Veichle and Inside The Clock!
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...Now try Little Darling and Rabid Pit Bull, AIed of course.
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Ok.
I've tested this design, and it can beat Alien Queen and The Don.
I think im onto a winner!
EDIT: Also beaten Orbital Delivery Veichle and Inside The Clock!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfUmEOLWbYU
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SC, I have a couple new tweaks for AI.pys since we've talked last. I'd like to go over them with you when you've time. (MSN is fine).
Wham, If you can consistently beat AQ with your AI-ed bot, then that IS good. SC has tweaked her in the beta 4 though. RPB is definitely one of the toughest bots to fight...
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The arena looks great and so does the whole tournament I wouldn’t mind giving it a wack if there is a spare space at least it wont be my bad driving letting me down
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I'm gonna enter to. Being a rookie I don't expect to get far but its the only way to learn. Can some define HS for me?
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I'm gonna enter to. Being a rookie I don't expect to get far but its the only way to learn. Can some define HS for me?
HS- horizontal spinner
Pure HS- 4 hpztek weapon motors, 2 hpztek drive, 2 blacks, dsa, 36 irons or maces (one of the best types of bots evar)
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Just saying that I just realized that most of the fights will probably be over by the time the walls come down and the flippers activate.
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Ok, im stuck between 2 designs, a pop-up and a rammer.
Im going to AI them, then fight them, then whoever wins, thats my entry.
Of course i'll keep on making robots for the tournament.
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The popup is going to win. you need to fight them against other bots, and not just each other.
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Exactly.
Rammers aren't efficient against all bot types (notably hammers, sometimes vertical spinners and always popups).
Popups can be efficient against all bot type.
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Nar, popups can be efficient against some bot types (Ex. one with an armoured wedge is good against HS), but at the cost of being efficient against other types (Ex. Side hammers could damage it).
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I have been trying them against other bots, and they've both come out succesful.
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Then you shall use the time honored-way of choosing young bot-builder of the UK.
Eeny Meeny Miny Mo...
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Exactly.
Rammers aren't efficient against all bot types (notably hammers, sometimes vertical spinners and always popups).
Popups can be efficient against all bot type.
ok, guys? try getting under lethal force for me... (SCv4) i beleive its a rammer... and it has wedges! ZOMG.
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A piston wammer.
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Only things that are REALLY a PitA for the best popups are a better/well-placed wedge, belly caster armor, and crawler-like weaponry (including Mome Rath).
Also S32 your post doesn't makes any sense (even if i got it)
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Let me sum it up better:
Frontal armoured pop-up.
Pros: Is good against Generic HS, VS and other frontal attacks.
Cons: Side hammers, SnS and bots that attack the side can cause damage, and if too much armour is used the weapon might be weaker.
If you added wheel guards, you'd have to remove the frontal armour.
If you improved the weapon, you'd have to remove the wheel guards, weaken the drive or remove or the frontal armour.
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I might make a comeback just to have my say in this tourney.
Not like my eventual bot will pose any threat, but huh, something to think about.
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Welcome back!
I hope there will be plenty of interesting bot designs in BBEANS5... not only a load of popups and 36-mace HS.
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I'm planning on making a hybred...
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Who is redline?
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Who is redline?
I'm an RA2 oldtimer and probably well known for being an asshole. (You might be too, if you was on the internet at 7/8/9, and 'special')
Had a different name back then. Or for the first year, anyway.
Medicore robots despite starting over 5 years ago, the only one standing out being Big Flip, a HW popup.
BBEANS2 competitor - Double Damage MW.
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Leave it to BBEANS to pull old veterans out of the woodwork! Welcome back, hope to see you in BBEANS5.
(I use the term 'veteran' to mean 'time playing RA2', as Redline himself will admit he was never known for his bot-building skills. Though Double Damage would have been a very strong entry if only it was invertible.)
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Redline ..... now that name sounds familiar ......
Does his return mean I have to share my title of "Forum Asshole"? j/k
Good to have you back again, Redline.
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I've had the game since a couple months after it came out.
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Only things that are REALLY a PitA for the best popups are a better/well-placed wedge, belly caster armor, and crawler-like weaponry (including Mome Rath).
Also S32 your post doesn't makes any sense (even if i got it)
Or raw accelerated damage....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7SGGyxHhuQ&feature=related
Anti Epic was a solid Pop Up of its time. Not saying other Pop Ups couldn't handle Rammers like Warhammer with ease. Just having fun showing an intense moment of RA2 Combat.
(And yes Warmachine has extensive belly caster armor, not that Anti Epic had a chance to attack. Just shows why its important for Pop-ups to have extra armor too.)
Starcore
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Thanks for the greetings guys.
(Though Double Damage would have been a very strong entry if only it was invertible.)
You're right.. but really? I just couldn't see it go the way. Or as far as the semis.
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Double Damage MW=Best multibot in BBEANs tourney so far. Welcome back.
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Double Damage MW=Best multibot in BBEANs tourney so far. Welcome back.
Thanks, but now I'm sensing sarcasm. :( I would of thought Pressure's Sabre would be better.
That, or the multibots aren't so good.
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No, I like DDMW because the weapons are tougher. Those teeth on Sabre are pretty weak, and DDMW also has Better Armor, better drive, and is better built. Sabre is underweight and could have had better armor, but it didn't. DDMW also won a match.
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Heh. I think I was going to have a second bar on both multibots, but Clickbeetle removed it because it clipped the battery.
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Either way, I made a new multibot contender for BBEANS5. It's actually tough. The only problem is it's 400.5kg. (Summing up to 801kg)
Would the small weight out be allowed, or does it have to be exact, just like the ingame 800kg limit?
Forget it. The reason why didn't really work for my bot.
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Heh. I think I was going to have a second bar on both multibots, but Clickbeetle removed it because it clipped the battery.
No, I just moved the bar from the bottom attachment point on the Perm to the top attachment point so it wouldn't intersect the motor. All the actual components were kept the same.
Also, just in case the question comes up again: you can't have an 801 kg multibot any more than you can have an 801 kg single bot.
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No, I just moved the bar from the bottom attachment point on the Perm to the top attachment point so it wouldn't intersect the motor. All the actual components were kept the same.
Close enough. Atleast for my memory. ^^;
Also, just in case the question comes up again: you can't have an 801 kg multibot any more than you can have an 801 kg single bot.
It's good to know.
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I have decided on my BBEANS 5 bot, now all I need is someone willing to skin and AI it for me.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/67353kill list.png)
I was doing the driving, but I drove as much like AI would. I did not fight the rest of the HWs in down the teams list, because I got tired. And the others that are not on there, either win by points or complete defeat.
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..eep.
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..eep.
Could be a bluff. But feh, beating same class robots in Starcore 3 is an achievement for me. ^^;
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God help us.
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36-mace HS anyone?
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I'd rather have maces than irons on my 36-weap HS's, but whhen I try to eFFe them on, they always do this.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/12828WTF23244.jpg)
Blahblah
I have a really glitchy comp.
Me wanna skin ur bot, SSG. =D
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I'm screwed.
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It's a rammer. Look at the results of the fight with Spin docter and Maelstrom. You see it's snowplogh and a part of it's weapon rack.
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May want to work on your anti pop-ups boys.
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How can i?
Mine is a pop-up! lol
It seems my bot may need a bot more modifying!
Or i might enter a SFTW just for fun! :D
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Me wanna skin ur bot, SSG. =D
Some one else PMed before you, sorry.
Im not showing it until the competion begins :P
Also I was winning by points VS Loctus of Borg(me 34k points, Loctus 24k points) but I only made it half way trough the 3 minute match.
Note: This was done in SCv4 Alpha(in case you couldn't tell it by the pictures)
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....Im not showing it until the competion begins :P
Smart move, SSG.
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this arena is so hard to make a good bot for... walls are so low, the big thing in the middle blocking rammers and getting caught on wedges...
i has idea though. i dont know if im entering vise or not... we'll see.
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Just to ask, does Sage's skin pack parts count as Custom parts?
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Just to ask, does Sage's skin pack parts count as Custom parts?
I'm not an official, but I'd say no aslong as only the skin is changed.
It's up to Click ofcourse.
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I think that you could put the parts on your bot, and they will look like that in the splash, but unless Clickbeetle has them too, they will just show up as normal in the game.
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I think that you could put the parts on your bot, and they will look like that in the splash, but unless Clickbeetle has them too, they will just show up as normal in the game.
Nope. All my skin parts are custom components (regrettable, but only way to do it.)
so unless click has them (which he does) they wont work. but since he has them, i'm betting its fine.
(reminds me i have to finish that thing... i have a lot more skins i havent shown yet too)
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SSG, I'll skin.
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Just to ask, does Sage's skin pack parts count as Custom parts?
Technically yes. I'd prefer it if you didn't use Sage's skin pack. Not because I don't know they're the same as stock (I do know), but just so there is no room for doubt that there is no cheating going on. Someone who didn't know about Sage's pack could be watching a video and be like, "OMG what are those? CHEATZORZ!!!!!!!11" and then raise up a big fuss in the discussion thread. I'd like to avoid that, obviously.
If you're too lazy to replace the reskinned parts on your bot with regular ones, that's OK though. I can quickly replace them with a Find and Replace in the .bot file.