Author Topic: Ecolusian's Ironforge Showcase (Read 19674 times)

cephalopod · « **Reply #160 on:** August 16, 2015, 12:14:47 PM »

Much more efficient and less dangerous to use an array. That method Avalanche suggests will mean if the bot loses one of the middle knives, you lose all the ones connected on from that.

ecolusian · « **Reply #161 on:** August 17, 2015, 05:26:33 AM »

here is the improvement on my how to joeblow bot.

Conraaa · « **Reply #162 on:** August 17, 2015, 05:32:20 AM »

You could bring the chassis in a fair bit, bring the front set of wheels in line with the back and saving weight. Personally i'd try going for 2 blackbirds anyway instead of 4 slims, but that's just me.

cephalopod · « **Reply #163 on:** August 17, 2015, 05:55:02 AM »

So many batteries. That bot needs 70 amps, you've given it 100.
Also, Betas aren't suited to popups especially due to their slower speed, and you need more than 1 burst for a heavy really.
Try making the chassis a bit smaller, going for the drive Conraaa suggested, and using 2 Snapper/DDT's or Pluses.
If you went for that setup, your bot would need 80 amps, so that's 4 DieHards.

ecolusian · « **Reply #164 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:02:09 AM »

i was going more for a weaponed flipper craaig, not a pop-up cause they dont seem very strong to me =p

cephalopod · « **Reply #165 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:13:57 AM »

...you're joking right?
In most cases, flipping in RA2 means nothing aside from the opponent losing control very briefly. It's all about the damage output, which a popup has in spades.

Avalanche · « **Reply #166 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:21:26 AM »

Quote from: ecolusian on August 17, 2015, 06:02:09 AM

i was going more for a weaponed flipper craaig, not a pop-up cause they dont seem very strong to me =p

Popups are one of the best bot types, due to the fact that they can 1 Hit KO bots. Bots do not tend to have under armour, and as a result popups target the weakest part of a bot. Stick a hell of a lot of weps together, make a powerful burst fire the weps full speed, DESTRUCTION.

Also by putting the weps in the chassis they are safer. Also, A weaponed flipper is basically a true popup.

ecolusian · « **Reply #167 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:23:23 AM »

with good control over an opponent you can win a fight. damage may be the main way of winnong but you can immobilise any opponent if ya flip em from the right angle, even invertible bots. im gonna stick with a weaponed flipper if only just because you see popups EVERYWHERE and i hate metas where its only one or two classes or builds that dominate the competitive landscape, why do ya think i picked ironforge =)

cephalopod · « **Reply #168 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:32:27 AM »

Yeah, you can win fights with good control. But the AI doesn't know tactics, so if you entered into a tournament...

Avalanche · « **Reply #169 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:48:49 AM »

Quote from: ecolusian on August 17, 2015, 06:23:23 AM

with good control over an opponent you can win a fight. damage may be the main way of winnong but you can immobilise any opponent if ya flip em from the right angle, even invertible bots. im gonna stick with a weaponed flipper if only just because you see popups EVERYWHERE and i hate metas where its only one or two classes or builds that dominate the competitive landscape, why do ya think i picked ironforge =)

You may have the best control ever, but newsflash! We use AI in tournaments. It took a massive innovation to actually let their opponents to be COUNTED OUT WITHOUT THEM FLIPPING THEM MORE. All correct angle buisness goes out the window with AI. Flippers are totally useless against invertible bots unless you oota them, and good on you for not conforming to the only two decent bot types. Or should that be 20? And Wep flippers are not much different from popups, to the point where its just like having two cars the exact same, but one has 3 wheels. The reliant robin only has 3, but its still a bloody car, if not more unstable and s***.

TL;DR Your statement in my opinion is wrong, and i have decided to ruthlessly destroy your post.

And yes, I am a fan of weaponed flippers but I respect he fact they are effectivwly true popups and Popups are probably better.

cephalopod · « **Reply #170 on:** August 17, 2015, 07:03:03 AM »

Dude I basically just told him that.

ecolusian · « **Reply #171 on:** August 17, 2015, 07:04:25 AM »

id rather listen to craaig anyways since hes the top dog of ironforge, so i guess i will make my bot a pop-up, anything i need to do to make it a popup?

Philippa · « **Reply #172 on:** August 17, 2015, 07:14:54 AM »

Quote from: ecolusian on August 17, 2015, 07:04:25 AM

id rather listen to craaig anyways

That's probably best.

I thought it looked kinda cool anyway.

Avalanche · « **Reply #173 on:** August 17, 2015, 11:37:26 AM »

Quote from: Craaig on August 17, 2015, 07:03:03 AM

Dude I basically just told him that.

You went into one aspect, I went into several, I had finished my post, went to reply, found you posted yours, thought i covered more than one aspect so i posted anyways.

Quote from: ecolusian on August 17, 2015, 07:04:25 AM

id rather listen to craaig anyways since hes the top dog of ironforge, so i guess i will make my bot a pop-up, anything i need to do to make it a popup?

You should take in all points of view, and Geice says hello. But yeah, Craaig is good at what he does. To make a bot a popup, make the chassis wedge more shallow and make weapons that fire either forwards (normal popup style, in a axe motion from back to the front) or upwards (true popup/weaponed flipper style) like a flipper. Keep your weps concealed in your chassis. Protect your front with armor.

Naryar · « **Reply #174 on:** August 17, 2015, 04:22:18 PM »

there is nothing wrong with him making a weaponed flipper, stop posting sh** like "no but build a POPUP".

Anyways, far too much weapons on that beta for a weaponed flipper. I believe you should use two betas. Five weapons by beta should also be enough.

Maybe downgrade it to 2WD with stronger motors and grippier wheels ? The chassis is also too big and needs to be rebuilt. I believe also that you may not need wheel protection since the chassis wedge is more exposed, and if you make it 2WD you can put the wheels at the rear, and then you will definitely not need wheel protection.

When you have done all that, add some armor on the front of your bot, or maybe some weapons to make it a wammer.

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also weaponed flipper isn't a true popup. well both designs look like each other, but are very different in battle tactics.

The point of a popup (true popup or not) is to do damage to an opponent's baseplate, hence it doesn't have much flipping power. The point of a weaponed flipper is to FLIP the opponent, only with weapons so it does damage.

hence weaponed flipper is just a flipper that happens to do decent damage with it's flipper, and true popup isn't a flipper. there's the different.

weaponed flipper = optimized towards flipping more than damage, popup = the opposite.

also popups have weapons inside the chassis, to get more speed and damage before they hit, but weaponed flipper has weapons outside, like a flipper.

ecolusian · « **Reply #175 on:** August 28, 2015, 12:24:33 PM »

i managed to drop a weight class and make it a weaponed flipper =)

Avalanche · « **Reply #176 on:** August 28, 2015, 02:49:37 PM »

Chassis wedge is kinda steep but looks good.
2 betas is a bit much though, you could downgrade to one and use a 40 or 60 cm extender and 3
arrays to have more weapons.

ecolusian · « **Reply #177 on:** August 28, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »

its a weaponed flipper not a popup scott

Avalanche · « **Reply #178 on:** August 28, 2015, 03:30:20 PM »

Quote from: ecolusian on August 28, 2015, 03:00:35 PM

its a weaponed flipper not a popup scott

Ok first, Just a nitpick call me Ava, Avalanche or even LRA2 but do not call me Scott. (tbh id rather not be called LRA2 but oh well)
Second, Im not bloody blind! I know the difference between Popup and Weaponed Flipper, its just True Popup and Weaponed Flipper(Naryar cleared it up for me, mind.)

Please do not insult my intelligence. While your statement is understandable after the previous argument, I CAN tell the difference and either way my advice still stands in my opinion. It still will work like a flipper, no need to worry.

cephalopod · « **Reply #179 on:** August 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM »

Come on eco, don't just read the wiki and think it's cool to go around either insulting or using personal names. Avalanche hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he was in his prime of late. Mainly because that other stuff was years ago, so come on.