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Robot Arena => General Support => Topic started by: yoda9726 on June 23, 2010, 10:35:00 AM
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So, this is the bot that I received, Ignore the text on the pic.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/19616problems with doom.png)
and here's the bot the way he sees it on his end
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/75782doomprobs.png)
Any ideas what may be causing the mix up?
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Possibly that you are in Nar AI and his is in normal DSL, but it still shouldnt cause that much of problems.... Infact it shouldnt cause any problems at all.
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yeah should be any issues
is something wrong with the weight ?
I would compare both text files for the angle extenders and whyachi tribars in each game and check they are the same
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I thought about the dsl to nar thing, but it does the exact same thing when i try it out in my Clean DSL folder as well
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have you modded any of the parts at all ?
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Not in the folder i'm copying this into. I have a completely separate installation for playing around with that stuff.
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Not in the folder i'm copying this into.
what about the one it was built in ?
also did you try any BFE at all ?
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I don't know if he's done any modding on his install or not. And all my BFE playing takes place in my other install as well. My first thought was that he had done some BFE to the bot, but he says he doesn't even know what that is.
His other two bots were no problem, just this one is causing the problems. May be a moot point, as he said he's gonna go ahead and send a different bot. But it got me wondering.
Anyways, I need some sleep, so i'll do some more investigating later. Thanks for your help
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just tell me for reference
What Game did the first screen shot come from ("Yours" or "PersonX") and was it being exported or imported to it?
What Game did the second screen shot come from ("Yours" or "PersonX") and was it being exported or imported to it?
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Actually, I am "Person X", and I found something different in the two pictures. In the top 2 pictures, the hammer farthest from the camera looks the same as the hammers in my picture, but the two closest hammers look different.
@JoeBlo- The top two are Yoda's, and the bottom one is mine.
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and what game was it exported from the top or bottom ?
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(edit) Oh! The bottom.
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freeziez, could you upload and link the bot file (here or PM)?... so it can be
1. gone through,
2. tried in a different environs.
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freeziez, could you upload and link the bot file (here or PM)?... so it can be
1. gone through,
2. tried in a different environs.
I already PM'd Madiaba the bot, but if anyone else wants to check it out, then it is attached below.
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Yeah, sorry wasn't as clear as i thought, i was on my 28th hour of being awake when i posted that. Bottom pic was being exported from freezie and top pic is what i imported into my game.
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Here is what I got.
13 kg for batts
4 kg for control board
40 kg for tri-bar
135 kg for weapons
34 kg for drive motors
18 kg for wheels
150 kg for weapon motor
8 kg for angle extenders
Which adds up to:
402 kg
The chassis weighs 30.4 with steel 1 amour
402
+30.4
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432.4
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In no way someone can pull off a Lock Nut ripoff with 135kg of hammers anyway.
And 09 you did it wrong on the angled extenders :P
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What's really throwing me for a loop on it is the angling of the hammers. in the original, they're all angled the same way, in the version i've got, one is still angled the original way, but the other two are turned in strange ways.
Also don't get why it says middleweight when the weight is 432.4. Should be a heavy. and if i take one of the hammers off and reattach it, it changes to heavyweight...
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Did he edited the third line of the bot file ?
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I asked him if he did any Bot file editing and he said he doesn't know how.
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Well he should send another bot. The design's not legal as a MW in all cases.
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He's gonna. I'm just wanting to know theories about causes so I can be more knowledgable about it in the future.
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Is he on DSL 2.0 or an older version ?
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Yoda,
The bot file is compromised .... I won't explain here what was done, but it was BFE-ed.
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Yoda,
The bot file is compromised .... I won't explain here what was done, but it was BFE-ed.
That's what i thought as well. Wanted confirmation from someone who would be better at spotting it than I. Thanks Madiaba.
freeziez, again, BFE not allowed in my tourney, states so in the rules.
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Actually, I do not know how to BFE, but I think I know what's wrong. To make this bot, I used Lug Nut, took him apart (kinda), and rebuilt him. I think BFE had been used on Lock Nut BEFORE I edited him.
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Lock Nut v2.3 is BFE'd because of the stupid 6-mag collision mesh, but the anglers are your addition so there is no reason BFE done months before should affect them.
Plus still that 432 kg middleweight... the only way it could happen other than BFE would be swapping to a RA2 version where some of the components used on the bot would be heavier. I'm not even sure about the last one.
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I had a weight problem with S.T.C's first entry in RIP1... could be a similar thing?
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He's sent me a new bot now having the same weight issue. This one weighs in at 638.8 and saying it's a middleweight. I've sent him a list of all the components he's using on the bot and the weight they should be so he can double check it.
Just for sake of Occam's Razor, here's the weights as they show on my game
Perm 132 S -- 90
cleprechaun blade --35
taz wheels --19
titanium sheet --30
multi extender (extra small) --3
T connector --5
BSG --25
PC545 --25
Control board --4
multi extender (small) --6
Baseplate anchor --4
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Alright, since I found out how to have multiple versions of Ra2 at once, I'll make the bot in my clean DSL version, and see if anything's different. If so, you can keep that bot. If not, then something's wrong with your game.
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Okay, I think we've figure out the problems with the weight. His perm motor weighs in at 10 kg on his installation. Is there somewhere a list of the components with their official weights so he can check against it to see what's right and what's wrong?
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It depends on which size Perm he's using.
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sorry, it was the perm 132 S.
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The small Perm 132 has always weighed 90 kgs for me.
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well you know the extract and play version in sages sig works 100% correctly
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The small Perm 132 has always weighed 90 kgs for me.
The same for me.
well you know the extract and play version in sages sig works 100% correctly
That's the one i'm using. He has also now gotten a clean copy of dsl, so it should all be taken care of.
Thanks for all your help guys.