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Title: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 17, 2017, 06:50:20 PM
Who else is getting a Switch at launch?


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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Dreamcast on January 17, 2017, 06:59:55 PM
Doesn't it cost $40 for half of a replacement controller?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mecha on January 17, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
Considering that I just recently got a Wii U, I'll pass lol
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on January 17, 2017, 07:55:38 PM
Here's my current for/against points for the console.

Points against:

Points for:

The biggest problem I have with this is the price. When I heard about the speculation of the price being under $200, I got extremely excited. That would have been an absolute bargain of a price for this.

Of course, when I heard about its actual price tag, I realised that this console is probably going to under perform in sales.

This doesn't mean I don't like the console, I will probably end up buying one eventually.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 17, 2017, 09:22:59 PM
Doesn't it cost $40 for half of a replacement controller?
A set of Joy-Con costs $80 USD. These can either be used as one controller, or separately as two. The Dual Shock 4 and the Xbox One controllers both sell at an MSRP of $60 USD and can only be used as a single controller.


Also, keep in mind that the Joy-Con features much more advanced hardware such as 20 hour battery life, advanced motion control, haptic feedback, NFC, and what is essentially a Kinect.


The biggest problem I have with this is the price. When I heard about the speculation of the price being under $200, I got extremely excited. That would have been an absolute bargain of a price for this.
Considering that this is a gaming tablet with some pretty advanced tech, it makes sense that the launch price is $300. For comparison, an iPad Mini 4 sells at an MSRP of $400 USD, and has no controllers, no dock (which in and of itself is much more advanced than it appears), etc. Yes, a PS4 and Xbone can be purchased in cheaper bundles at the present time, but the experience they offer is fundamentally different than what the Switch offers.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: rnifnuf on January 18, 2017, 12:25:59 AM
My birthday is about two weeks after the Switch launch, but I'm not sure if I want it for then or later. It depends on what games are available at launch; I do not want to get it and then not use it for the six weeks between getting it and getting Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and then getting bored of it before Super Mario Odyssey comes out later in the year. Either way, I will most certainly own a Switch by the end of 2017.

I'm excited to see what games come out for this system and how the Joy-Con controllers are used. I have seen the list of developers that are already working with Nintendo; this may be the end of Nintendo's third-party woes that have been troubling it for years now.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2017, 01:54:53 AM
****in Nintendo fanboys will buy whatever sh** Nintendo shovels out.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on January 18, 2017, 04:33:45 AM
The biggest problem I have with this is the price. When I heard about the speculation of the price being under $200, I got extremely excited. That would have been an absolute bargain of a price for this.
Considering that this is a gaming tablet with some pretty advanced tech, it makes sense that the launch price is $300. For comparison, an iPad Mini 4 sells at an MSRP of $400 USD, and has no controllers, no dock (which in and of itself is much more advanced than it appears), etc. Yes, a PS4 and Xbone can be purchased in cheaper bundles at the present time, but the experience they offer is fundamentally different than what the Switch offers.

There's a big difference in the markets though. Apple still has the highest marketshare in tablets. They are able to sell at that price as they are very aware that their largest demographic, the 25-34 year old range, is able to buy it due to their disposable income. Whereas Nintendo, in the home console market, currently doesn't have a high marketshare and needs more people than some of their fanbase which is currently split on buying the console due to the price of it.

Yes, I certainly will agree with you though, the Switch will offer something much different to current consoles. People looking for a change will go for it and I also think that people from the PC market might buy in. A console like this is perfect to take 60 FPS gaming on the go. Something that PC gamers very much care about.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
Considering that this is a gaming tablet with some pretty advanced tech, it makes sense that the launch price is $300. For comparison, an iPad Mini 4 sells at an MSRP of $400 USD, and has no controllers, no dock (which in and of itself is much more advanced than it appears), etc. Yes, a PS4 and Xbone can be purchased in cheaper bundles at the present time, but the experience they offer is fundamentally different than what the Switch offers.
Except the switch is going to be a beyond terrible tablet, with a poor resolution screen and an OS created for gaming. Have you ever tried to browse the web on a Wii or Wii U? Exactly.


There's a reason that Nintendo aren't marketing the switch as an iPad competitor, they fulfil separate use cases, despite both having a tablet form factor.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on January 18, 2017, 06:22:09 AM
Ill see if ill buy it.. i heared that Sonic Mania will be for switch.. and new Zelda... just hoping  Crash somehow makes an apperance on the Switch..
As for the price.. It is cheap.. In croatia ATM price of PS4 and XBOX One is around 500USD (Stock models) and Switch may price here at 390USD
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on January 18, 2017, 06:26:21 AM
Ill see if ill buy it.. i heared that Sonic Mania will be for switch.. and new Zelda... just hoping  Crash somehow makes an apperance on the Switch..

The only way Crash will make an appearance is via Skylanders. Other than that, you're outta' luck.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on January 18, 2017, 06:34:05 AM
Ill see if ill buy it.. i heared that Sonic Mania will be for switch.. and new Zelda... just hoping  Crash somehow makes an apperance on the Switch..

The only way Crash will make an appearance is via Skylanders. Other than that, you're outta' luck.

CURSE that PS only game!!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 18, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
no because i already have this:
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which, when i bought it with a 128 gb sd card, costs 230 buckaroos, and i can play all the snes, genesis, turbografx16, amiga, n64 and bunch of other stuff on the go. It might be comparing apples to oranges, but i really only like older games, no new games really appeal to me, none of the games for the nintendo switch appeal to me, which is i won't buy it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: RpJk on January 18, 2017, 05:54:33 PM
Gonna get before the end of the year. Getting it for Xenoblade 2, next Tales of game and Fire Emblem Warriors. Once exact release date of at least two of them announced then Ill buy.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: wakkydude on January 18, 2017, 06:16:05 PM
A set of Joy-Con costs $80 USD. These can either be used as one controller, or separately as two. The Dual Shock 4 and the Xbox One controllers both sell at an MSRP of $60 USD and can only be used as a single controller.

if you ever tried to use the wiimote on its side for virtually anything you'd realise this is an awful idea, very few games are actually seriously playable and controllable like that. an even smaller controller, some of which have the analogue stick in the middle, is definitely not going to cut it.

also three hour battery life for zelda LEL
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 18, 2017, 06:50:17 PM
The Switch looks like a bit of a joke to be honest. The fact they're charging £300 for an underclocked Tegra X1 when you can get an Xbox One S or PS4 Pro for about £50 more is a joke. The controller looks like an ergonomic nightmare, and the fact that it's only launching with 4 games is ridiculous. Doesn't matter though, because Nintendo could literally just release Mario and a 'new' Pokemon every year and they'd rake in the cash

I don't know if you've heard too, but not only are Nintendo going to start charging for their atrociously gimped online service, but the features that they are actually advertising are that you can voice chat using a phone (Because that's totally convenient, right?) and you get a NES or SNES game every month that you don't even get to keep.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: RedAce on January 18, 2017, 07:39:57 PM
While this does look a bit interesting, I probably won't be able to get one until maybe the end of 2017.  At that time, we might have more games that seem worth purchasing that are exclusive to the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: 090901 on January 18, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
Tbh I don't think comparing the current price of the Xbone and PS4 is all that fair as they have been out on the market for a few years and the prices for them have dropped a good amount.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 18, 2017, 09:01:30 PM
Except the switch is going to be a beyond terrible tablet,
Gaming tablet.


with a poor resolution screen
720p isn't a poor resolution for this size of screen. The PPI is around 230, which for most people's eyesight, is damn good. Hell, it's better than a Retina MacBook.


and an OS created for gaming.

It's almost as if this is a game console.


Have you ever tried to browse the web on a Wii or Wii U?
Upon release, the Wii's browser was great. The WiiU's is the best browser available on any console.

There's a reason that Nintendo aren't marketing the switch as an iPad competitor, they fulfil separate use cases, despite both having a tablet form factor.
And there's a reason why Nintendo also isn't marketing it as an Xbone or PS4 competitor: they offer entirely different experiences.


if you ever tried to use the wiimote on its side for virtually anything you'd realise this is an awful idea, very few games are actually seriously playable and controllable like that. an even smaller controller, some of which have the analogue stick in the middle, is definitely not going to cut it.
I have used a Wiimote sideways, and while it's not the best experience, it works. The Joy-Con are shaped in a way that look a bit more comfortable to hold, even though the controls might get a little cramped. (An issue I've had with every Dual Shock with the exception of the 4.)

also three hour battery life for zelda LEL
3 hours for a console Zelda is very reasonable, though I can't think of any situation where I would not only have time to play Zelda for three hours straight and also be nowhere near an outlet. It's possible that a cross-country flight might lack an outlet, but I could always plug the Switch into my MacBook for a charge, if need be.


but i really only like older games
Which is why you steal them?


I don't know if you've heard too, but not only are Nintendo going to start charging for their atrociously gimped online service, but the features that they are actually advertising are that you can voice chat using a phone (Because that's totally convenient, right?) and you get a NES or SNES game every month that you don't even get to keep.
We don't even know if their service is gimped as we don't know what it consists of, what it looks like, or how much it costs. While it would be a neat perk to keep the monthly classic, it's not something that bothers me. I have no problem paying money for something that brings me joy. Besides, I rarely download anything from Games with Gold, and I don't feel slighted when they feature a game I already own. It's a nice bonus, not a feature.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2017, 09:24:56 PM
Except the switch is going to be a beyond terrible tablet,
Gaming tablet.
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Totally wrong. The defining feature of a tablet is a large touchscreen, which is a beyond awful interface for gaming, which is why the switch has "proper" controllers. It's a large handheld in tablet form-factor. It has none of the functionality of a 'real' tablet, like an iPad.

720p isn't a poor resolution for this size of screen. The PPI is around 230, which for most people's eyesight, is damn good. Hell, it's better than a Retina MacBook.
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720p is laughable for a tablet. Hell, it's laughable for a phone. You can't compare a laptop screen's PPI to a tablet screen's PPI, this thing is going to be closer to your face than a laptop screen. By your metric, this crappy 720p screen is going to be nicer too look at than my 4k monitor @ 157ppi.

It's almost as if this is a game console.
Which is what I'm saying, it's going to result in a horrid user experience for people wanting to use it like an iPad. Which would be fine, except idiots are going to buy this thing expecting an iPad and Wii U in one. It's not going to work as a web browsing device.

Upon release, the Wii's browser was great. The WiiU's is the best browser available on any console.
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idk if you ever tried to use the wii browser for an extended period of time. I did, and it was like pulling teeth. Totally painful. Extremely limited functionally and compatibility, and slow. I haven't had experience with the Wii U browser, but saying that its the best console browser means nothing. They're all awful to the point of uselessness. Nobody's going to use this thing over a polished phone/tablet browser. Again, the switch is going to be an awful multimedia and web browsing device compared to a phone or tablet.

And there's a reason why Nintendo also isn't marketing it as an Xbone or PS4 competitor: they offer entirely different experiences.
And the switch is going to be an objectively worse experience from a hardware standpoint, I don't see how you can argue this. In addition, the incredibly anemic hardware is going to scare off 3rd party devs, so enjoy only being able to play 1st party games.

I have used a Wiimote sideways, and while it's not the best experience, it works. The Joy-Con are shaped in a way that look a bit more comfortable to hold, even though the controls might get a little cramped. (An issue I've had with every Dual Shock with the exception of the 4.)
"These awful tiny controllers are totally fine, because my hands are too big for normal sized controllers anyway!"

Which is why you steal them?
Who says that he doesn't own legal copies? And who cares if he does? Don't try to take the moral highground purely because it fits your narrative.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 18, 2017, 09:28:44 PM
Which is why you steal them?
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mecha on January 18, 2017, 09:29:41 PM
but i really only like older games
Which is why you steal them?
ah, you're one of those :c
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 18, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
but i really only like older games
Which is why you steal them?
ah, you're one of those :c
A person who pays for the products they enjoy? Yes. I don't have much of a problem if you already own the original cartridges, but theft is theft.


Totally wrong. The defining feature of a tablet is a large touchscreen,
Which the Switch has.


which is a beyond awful interface for gaming, which is why the switch has "proper" controllers.
Which is why most gaming occurs on tablets and cell phones. Whether or not you consider things like Pokémon Go to be "real" games doesn't change this fact.


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It's a large handheld in tablet form-factor. It has none of the functionality of a 'real' tablet, like an iPad.
Sure it does.

720p is laughable for a tablet. Hell, it's laughable for a phone.
I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.


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You can't compare a laptop screen's PPI to a tablet screen's PPI, this thing is going to be closer to your face than a laptop screen. By your metric, this crappy 720p screen is going to be nicer too look at than my 4k monitor @ 157ppi.
I'm not sure how you use tablets, but I usually keep my iPad roughly the same distance away from my face as my MacBook. And considering that one of the featured modes of the Switch is a tabletop mode, I would say that comparing the PPI of the screen to a laptop's is fair.


I can't make any comment on how sh**ty your monitor is as I don't know anything about it. I'm sure you make sure to shout its specs at everyone you know, though.

idk if you ever tried to use the wii browser for an extended period of time. I did, and it was like pulling teeth. Totally painful. Extremely limited functionally and compatibility, and slow.
It was great in 2007, as was Internet Explorer in 1995. It's easy to criticize technologies from years past if you ignore their context.


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I haven't had experience with the Wii U browser,
Yet you criticize it as if you know.


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but saying that its the best console browser means nothing. They're all awful to the point of uselessness.
You've never even used the WiiU browser. How do you know this to be true?


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Nobody's going to use this thing over a polished phone/tablet browser. Again, the switch is going to be an awful multimedia and web browsing device compared to a phone or tablet.
Web browsing will likely be better on my phone, but Netflix, Hulu, etc. won't. On the Switch, I can start watching something on my TV, and seamlessly take the video with me to the kitchen, my bedroom, or wherever. I know, Arrested Development won't be in 4K, but somehow I don't think that'll bother me.

And the switch is going to be an objectively worse experience from a hardware standpoint, I don't see how you can argue this.
I can argue this based on the fact that gigaflops don't make my dick hard. To me, taking a console Zelda with me on a tablet is far more impressive than counting the pixels or the frames.


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In addition, the incredibly anemic hardware is going to scare off 3rd party devs, so enjoy only being able to play 1st party games.
That's certainly possible. It's also possible that they'll see a familiar ARM architecture as an opportunity to make games that they can also port to mobile devices. Outside of Reddit, not too many people give a sh** about tech specs.

"These awful tiny controllers are totally fine, because my hands are too big for normal sized controllers anyway!"
That's not at all what I said. When you go on dates, do you bring up how hardcore you are?

Who says that he doesn't own legal copies? And who cares if he does? Don't try to take the moral highground purely because it fits your narrative.
If he owns legit copies, then I don't see much of a problem. If he doesn't, he is stealing. Justify it if you want, but it's theft.


Does this post contain enough pixels?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2017, 03:40:21 AM
A person who pays for the products they enjoy? Yes. I don't have much of a problem if you already own the original cartridges, but theft is theft.
It's not really theft if you're just making a copy. A forums that distributes abandonware younger than most nintendo games probably isn't the place to be grandstanding about this kinda thing. If you're so against this kinda thing, why do you hang around on a site that goes against your principles?


Which the Switch has.
Yes, it also doesn't use its touchscreen as its main input. By your definition, a DS is a tablet. And my point wasn't that it isn't a tablet, it's that it isn't a gaming tablet. Which it is not.



Which is why most gaming occurs on tablets and cell phones. Whether or not you consider things like Pokémon Go to be "real" games doesn't change this fact.
Firstly, the switch isn't going to run mobile games, so your point is totally invalid. And if it did, you wouldn't buy it. But by all means, download an emulator on your phone and try to play any reasonably-paced "core" games using a touchscreen and tell me how that works out for you. I can't believe that you're actually defending the touchscreen as a legitimate form of control for 'real' games. And on top of that, all of the games for the switch are going to use the joycons for the vast majority of input, so again your point is invalid.


Sure it does.
haha, have fun checking your e-mails, or browsing the web on this thing. Seriously man. There's a reason the iPad is useable for this kinda stuff, and it's because of iOS. Nintendo are 100% not capable of creating an OS that provides a good tablet experience, and they're not going to try because the switch is a gaming platform, not an iPad mini competitor.



I'm not sure how you use tablets, but I usually keep my iPad roughly the same distance away from my face as my MacBook. And considering that one of the featured modes of the Switch is a tabletop mode, I would say that comparing the PPI of the screen to a laptop's is fair.


I can't make any comment on how sh**ty your monitor is as I don't know anything about it. I'm sure you make sure to shout its specs at everyone you know, though.
I'm pretty sure you don't and even if you do, everyone else does not. PPI is basically irrelevant as a measure of a screen's quality, you just had to cherrypick the single redeeming stat for the screen to make it seem like it has a redeeming feature. The screen is one that would be found on tablets a third of the price. 720p is not enough for modern AAA games.

It was great in 2007, as was Internet Explorer in 1995. It's easy to criticize technologies from years past if you ignore their context.
No, it was awful in 2007 and even worse now. I know, because I used it in 2007.



I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.
I bet you are too, insulting anyone that goes against your blind fanboyism.




You've never even used the WiiU browser. How do you know this to be true?
Because nintendo's onscreen keyboard is going to be ass to use? Maybe the wii u browser was OK since you could use the gamepad as a keyboard, but the switch only has 1 screen, and the keyboard is going to take up the majority of that when held horizonally



Web browsing will likely be better on my phone, but Netflix, Hulu, etc. won't. On the Switch, I can start watching something on my TV, and seamlessly take the video with me to the kitchen, my bedroom, or wherever. I know, Arrested Development won't be in 4K, but somehow I don't think that'll bother me.
Again, why would anyone use the switch, with terrible battery life and an awful screen compared to a cheaper android tablet, to watch media like this over a tablet? Everything you're describing can and has been done better by a tablet device.



I can argue this based on the fact that gigaflops don't make my dick hard. To me, taking a console Zelda with me on a tablet is far more impressive than counting the pixels or the frames.
Maybe the near-absence of 3rd party games will convince you, if your zelda games looking like they're from half a decade ago does not. Part of the reason for awful 3rd party support for recent nintendo consoles has been due to the added cost posting to much worse hardware, and the gulf is considerably bigger than ever before between the switch and Xbox One S/PS4 Pro.



That's certainly possible. It's also possible that they'll see a familiar ARM architecture as an opportunity to make games that they can also port to mobile devices. Outside of Reddit, not too many people give a sh** about tech specs.
You realise that nobody is going to want to play mobile games on this thing, right? You included?



That's not at all what I said. When you go on dates, do you bring up how hardcore you are?
Again with the insults. You said that you're fine with the tiny-ass joycons, but this PS4 controllers are too small. Again with the double standard for Nintendo products.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Baconus_Yum on January 19, 2017, 05:20:39 AM
A person who pays for the products they enjoy? Yes. I don't have much of a problem if you already own the original cartridges, but theft is theft.
It's not really theft if you're just making a copy. A forums that distributes abandonware younger than most nintendo games probably isn't the place to be grandstanding about this kinda thing. If you're so against this kinda thing, why do you hang around on a site that goes against your principles?


Which the Switch has.
Yes, it also doesn't use its touchscreen as its main input. By your definition, a DS is a tablet. And my point wasn't that it isn't a tablet, it's that it isn't a gaming tablet. Which it is not.



Which is why most gaming occurs on tablets and cell phones. Whether or not you consider things like Pokémon Go to be "real" games doesn't change this fact.
Firstly, the switch isn't going to run mobile games, so your point is totally invalid. And if it did, you wouldn't buy it. But by all means, download an emulator on your phone and try to play any reasonably-paced "core" games using a touchscreen and tell me how that works out for you. I can't believe that you're actually defending the touchscreen as a legitimate form of control for 'real' games. And on top of that, all of the games for the switch are going to use the joycons for the vast majority of input, so again your point is invalid.


Sure it does.
haha, have fun checking your e-mails, or browsing the web on this thing. Seriously man. There's a reason the iPad is useable for this kinda stuff, and it's because of iOS. Nintendo are 100% not capable of creating an OS that provides a good tablet experience, and they're not going to try because the switch is a gaming platform, not an iPad mini competitor.



I'm not sure how you use tablets, but I usually keep my iPad roughly the same distance away from my face as my MacBook. And considering that one of the featured modes of the Switch is a tabletop mode, I would say that comparing the PPI of the screen to a laptop's is fair.


I can't make any comment on how sh**ty your monitor is as I don't know anything about it. I'm sure you make sure to shout its specs at everyone you know, though.
I'm pretty sure you don't and even if you do, everyone else does not. PPI is basically irrelevant as a measure of a screen's quality, you just had to cherrypick the single redeeming stat for the screen to make it seem like it has a redeeming feature. The screen is one that would be found on tablets a third of the price. 720p is not enough for modern AAA games.

It was great in 2007, as was Internet Explorer in 1995. It's easy to criticize technologies from years past if you ignore their context.
No, it was awful in 2007 and even worse now. I know, because I used it in 2007.



I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.
I bet you are too, insulting anyone that goes against your blind fanboyism.




You've never even used the WiiU browser. How do you know this to be true?
Because nintendo's onscreen keyboard is going to be ass to use? Maybe the wii u browser was OK since you could use the gamepad as a keyboard, but the switch only has 1 screen, and the keyboard is going to take up the majority of that when held horizonally



Web browsing will likely be better on my phone, but Netflix, Hulu, etc. won't. On the Switch, I can start watching something on my TV, and seamlessly take the video with me to the kitchen, my bedroom, or wherever. I know, Arrested Development won't be in 4K, but somehow I don't think that'll bother me.
Again, why would anyone use the switch, with terrible battery life and an awful screen compared to a cheaper android tablet, to watch media like this over a tablet? Everything you're describing can and has been done better by a tablet device.



I can argue this based on the fact that gigaflops don't make my dick hard. To me, taking a console Zelda with me on a tablet is far more impressive than counting the pixels or the frames.
Maybe the near-absence of 3rd party games will convince you, if your zelda games looking like they're from half a decade ago does not. Part of the reason for awful 3rd party support for recent nintendo consoles has been due to the added cost posting to much worse hardware, and the gulf is considerably bigger than ever before between the switch and Xbox One S/PS4 Pro.



That's certainly possible. It's also possible that they'll see a familiar ARM architecture as an opportunity to make games that they can also port to mobile devices. Outside of Reddit, not too many people give a sh** about tech specs.
You realise that nobody is going to want to play mobile games on this thing, right? You included?



That's not at all what I said. When you go on dates, do you bring up how hardcore you are?
Again with the insults. You said that you're fine with the tiny-ass joycons, but this PS4 controllers are too small. Again with the double standard for Nintendo products.
WOAH THERE WAY TO SPICY!!!!

As my point of view however, the switch is not a tablet. It is a bit more like a portable TV. As for being expensive, it was cheaper than BOTH then the PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Anyways, this will be an interesting console depending on if it is good or not.

-Baconus
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2017, 05:25:33 AM
That's what I've been saying; it's not supposed to function as a tablet. And it is cheap for a console, but it's also very expensive for a handheld or a tablet, markets that it sits in between.

It'll be interesting to see how it fares outside of Japan, I have a feeling that it's not going to fare well in Europe in particular.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on January 19, 2017, 07:25:21 AM
That's what I've been saying; it's not supposed to function as a tablet. And it is cheap for a console, but it's also very expensive for a handheld or a tablet, markets that it sits in between.

It'll be interesting to see how it fares outside of Japan, I have a feeling that it's not going to fare well in Europe in particular.
Not entierly true..
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Reier on January 19, 2017, 07:34:26 AM
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 19, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
That's right, theft is theft, and I don't give a care.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2017, 08:56:03 AM
That's what I've been saying; it's not supposed to function as a tablet. And it is cheap for a console, but it's also very expensive for a handheld or a tablet, markets that it sits in between.

It'll be interesting to see how it fares outside of Japan, I have a feeling that it's not going to fare well in Europe in particular.
Not entierly true..
100% entirely true.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: RedSawn on January 19, 2017, 10:50:27 AM
I think the Switch is a cool idea but at £280/$345 with no software, the software being £40/$50 for multiplayer microgames, £60/$73 for the big names, accessories being more ontop of that.. and a shortage of good titles for the first few months.. the online not being free as a primary PC gamer.. it's turning my "Yes" to only a "Maybe" or "Maybe later"
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 19, 2017, 01:12:57 PM

It's not really theft if you're just making a copy. A forums that distributes abandonware younger than most nintendo games probably isn't the place to be grandstanding about this kinda thing. If you're so against this kinda thing, why do you hang around on a site that goes against your principles?
An abandonware site that is officially recognized by the developers of the game its dedicated to. That's a big difference. Besides, I still have RA2 on disc, so your claims of hypocrisy do not stand.



Yes, it also doesn't use its touchscreen as its main input.
I think that would depend on the software.

By your definition, a DS is a tablet. And my point wasn't that it isn't a tablet, it's that it isn't a gaming tablet. Which it is not.
It is a dockable tablet that you primarily use for gaming. Therefore, it is a gaming tablet. You aren't going to win this semantics argument.

As for the 3DS/DS, there is an interesting phenomenon regarding its nomenclature. Adults who play video games, but don't harass women on Reddit tend to refer to the thing as a "Gameboy". Children, on the other hand, call it a "tablet". Sure, it doesn't have an email client, but kids don't give a sh**.


Firstly, the switch isn't going to run mobile games, so your point is totally invalid. And if it did, you wouldn't buy it. But by all means, download an emulator on your phone and try to play any reasonably-paced "core" games using a touchscreen and tell me how that works out for you. I can't believe that you're actually defending the touchscreen as a legitimate form of control for 'real' games. And on top of that, all of the games for the switch are going to use the joycons for the vast majority of input, so again your point is invalid.
If Mario Run was to be ported to Switch, I would buy it. It's a solid game. If Words with Friends were to be ported to the Switch, I would buy it. Fun games are fun regardless of polygon count.

That said, my point was in regards to porting, not running mobile games. Mobile ports of console titles are increasingly becoming a thing, and with a home console that is already built on that architecture, developers can easily make a Switch game that can also run, in some form, on mobile.



haha, have fun checking your e-mails,
Nobody has fun checking their email.

or browsing the web on this thing.
You haven't seen, nor used its browser. You're blindly judging a product you know nothing about, yet you are calling me the fanboy. How interesting...

Seriously man. There's a reason the iPad is useable for this kinda stuff, and it's because of iOS. Nintendo are 100% not capable of creating an OS that provides a good tablet experience, and they're not going to try because the switch is a gaming platform, not an iPad mini competitor.
The iPad Mini comparison clearly went over your head. Should I have used more pixels?


I'm pretty sure you don't and even if you do, everyone else does not.
Now I'm genuinely curious. When you use a tablet, are you holding it up to your face or something? I leave mine on my lap.

PPI is basically irrelevant as a measure of a screen's quality, you just had to cherrypick the single redeeming stat for the screen to make it seem like it has a redeeming feature.
PPI is the most relevant resolution metric! A 30ft 4K display looks nowhere near as crisp as a 7in 720p display.

The screen is one that would be found on tablets a third of the price. 720p is not enough for modern AAA games.
For killjoys like you, maybe, but I tend to play games, not watch them.


No, it was awful in 2007 and even worse now. I know, because I used it in 2007.
In 2007, the Wii was the best way to view Flash content on the TV, without hooking up a PC. It was quite handy at showing off YouTube. By today's standards, yes, it sucks. The iPhone's 2007 browser also sucks by today's metrics.




I bet you are too, insulting anyone that goes against your blind fanboyism.
You attacked me because your ePenis can't get hard without counting frames and pixels.


Because nintendo's onscreen keyboard is going to be ass to use? Maybe the wii u browser was OK since you could use the gamepad as a keyboard, but the switch only has 1 screen, and the keyboard is going to take up the majority of that when held horizonally
It has only one screen that displays the virtual keyboard, you know, like a tablet.

Again, why would anyone use the switch,

Presumably to have fun—a concept that seems foreign to you.

[/size]with terrible battery life
Battery life that is actually comparable to that of the 3DS, a device that has sold around 60 million units.
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[/size]and an awful screen compared to a cheaper android tablet
A cheaper Android that fails as both a tablet and a game device.
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[/size]to watch media like this over a tablet? Everything you're describing can and has been done better by a tablet device.
You have a tablet that docks to your TV and plays Zelda? Neat. What's it called and how did you pay for it?

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Maybe the near-absence of 3rd party games will convince you,
I have an Xbox for multiplatform games.

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[/size]if your zelda games looking like they're from half a decade ago does not.
Breath of the Wild looks great! Like Wind Waker, this will still look great in 10 years. The latest grim-dark shooter? Not so much.

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[/size]Part of the reason for awful 3rd party support for recent nintendo consoles has been due to the added cost posting to much worse hardware, and the gulf is considerably bigger than ever before between the switch and Xbox One S/PS4 Pro.

It's more complicated than that. Nintendo has struggled with maintaining third parties since the SNES, largely due to licensing and other behind-the-scenes boneheadedness. Third parties put up with it on the SNES because it had the largest install base. The PS2 was by far the weakest console of its generation (unless you count the Dreamcast), but developers supported the hell out of it because it had a large install base. Developers go where they can make money. They make big extravagant games on the PS4 and XBone because those are the games that sell on those platforms.

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You realise that nobody is going to want to play mobile games on this thing, right? You included?
You base this off of what, exactly? Plenty of mobile games have faired well on the DS and 3DS. Plenty of DS and 3DS games have faired well on the mobile. You're projecting your biases onto the masses. Not everybody cares about gigaflops.
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Again with the insults.
As per the philosophy of Anton LaVey, I'm treating you as you treat me. This conversation could have been civil, but your manhood is clearly threatened by a device that dares to run games in *gasp* 1080p.

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[/size]You said that you're fine with the tiny-ass joycons,
For rounds of split screen gameplay with friends, the Joy-Con on their side will be fine.

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[/size]but this PS4 controllers are too small. Again with the double standard for Nintendo products.
I said I liked the Dual Shock 4. The previous Dual Shocks were all trash, with sh**ty d-pads, sh**ty stick placement, and sh**ty shoulder buttons. In the current generation of consoles, so far, the Xbone controller is the most comfortable.It's clear that to you, gaming is defined by resolution and specs. To me, those are merely incidental. If the game is fun, the game is fun. Genesis games look like a hot mess on my TV, yet they're still fun. You may be appalled by a game like ARMS, but I think a fighting game with optional 1:1 motion controls looks like a blast.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2017, 01:15:12 PM
We're going to have to agree to disagree, since I'm not reading that wall of text.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 19, 2017, 01:16:21 PM
tbh i'm just a cheap bastard and a hoarder who likes full romsets for old systems because i have autism i have ocd. i do buy games from gog when it's more convenient to pay 5-10 bucks then trying to find a key on TPB.  :dumb)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 19, 2017, 01:20:51 PM
We're going to have to agree to disagree, since I'm not reading that wall of text.
https://hookedonphonics.com
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 19, 2017, 01:29:16 PM
We're going to have to agree to disagree, since I'm not reading that wall of text.
https://hookedonphonics.com
what if the switch you bought is demonically possessed, in a lament configuration sort of way, i'd think you could at least  get it on the cheaps then. (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/96570reallymakesyouthink.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: frezal on January 19, 2017, 06:28:08 PM
We're going to have to agree to disagree, since I'm not reading that wall of text.
https://hookedonphonics.com (https://hookedonphonics.com)
what if the switch you bought is demonically possessed, in a lament configuration sort of way, i'd think you could at least  get it on the cheaps then. (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/96570reallymakesyouthink.png)
Then I suppose I would be in for some limitless sex and limitless pain.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Dreamcast on January 19, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
The previous Dual Shocks were all trash, with sh**ty d-pads, sh**ty stick placement, and sh**ty shoulder buttons.

Hey, I liked those controllers. Ape Escape wouldn't be the same without them.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on January 19, 2017, 07:27:22 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand...

I just honestly don't think the console will sell well, as much as I like it. I just wish Nintendo weren't so stupid for at looking at the current market and thinking £275 was a good starting point.

It'll outsell the Wii U but I don't think it'll do much more than that.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: RedSawn on January 20, 2017, 04:26:26 AM
I just honestly don't think the console will sell well, as much as I like it. I just wish Nintendo weren't so stupid for at looking at the current market and thinking £275 was a good starting point.

A direct currency conversion of $300 is £244; the UK is just getting upsold as usual.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: The Red Blur on January 20, 2017, 05:24:18 AM
Ohoho *rubs hands together* Time to get my rant on.

Firstly, I can admit, the idea of this is great. Being able to take a console game with me on the move (no matter how sh** the battery is) is a very cool idea, especially with mostly home-console based experiences like Zelda and Splatoon, and the price of £280 is pretty decent for a brand new console, considering PS4s were being sold for upwards of 400 at launch... However, there are a few... Issues I have.

For example, the damn-near anaemic launch title selection. You get a Zelda, a tech demo, bomberman... and another couple of games that are practically ports. (Don't even get me started on the Skyrim port.) Not to mention the fact that you have to pay for *basic online functionality*, and what do you get for it? A ****ing ROM file that can play on a toaster. For a month. REALLY?! Now, either, this needs to be insanely cheap, or a yearly subscription, ala pokemon bank, for it to be worth the money, frankly.

nonetheless, I'm probably still gonna buy it for Fire Emblem Warriors, Zelda, Sonic Mania and Sonic 2017, so... I guess my point is invalid???
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
> Need to download MOBILE APP to play online on your CONSOLE
> Literally no streaming apps available on launch.
> Have fun not watching netflix
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c2/04/47/c20447790fac4ad9999b16024a368617.gif)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Probably Rob on January 22, 2017, 09:45:21 PM
It IS true, though. It's a video game console, not media console, so it's acceptable to not have apps such as Netflix
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on January 22, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
if you ever tried to use the wiimote on its side for virtually anything you'd realise this is an awful idea, very few games are actually seriously playable and controllable like that. an even smaller controller, some of which have the analogue stick in the middle, is definitely not going to cut it.

the joycon at least have shoulder buttons and enough face buttons to play games with
it should be decent enough

also if suda's making a third no more heroes then that'll be enough for me to buy it i think

mario odyssey also looks pretty damn good
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Enigm@ on January 23, 2017, 08:38:03 AM
frezal, this video pretty much sums up my feelings on the switch, i don't see the point in arguing sh** trying to convince you to not buy one because i'm not your mom and don't care what you do with your money but hopefully this will let you see where i (and i think badger) are coming from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pl0UF5_Ths
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2017, 04:54:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRmVL3CP2d8

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on January 27, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
i dont understand why graphics matter so much

if the game is fun who gives a sh**
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Philippa on January 27, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
I thought those graphics were pretty good, honestly.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mecha on March 08, 2017, 01:56:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on March 08, 2017, 02:35:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc

crowbcat does one of these for basically every console launch
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 08, 2017, 02:45:38 AM
Great start for Switch..
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mecha on March 08, 2017, 02:54:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc

crowbcat does one of these for basically every console launch
idk who that is but ok
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on March 08, 2017, 03:07:39 AM
that's who made the vid you knob
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on March 08, 2017, 03:31:13 AM
Now that the console is out, it's doing exactly how I thought it would (other than Breath of the Wild becoming the highest rated game ever).


The Switch's library will have some of the best games on it, ever. Like Breath of the Wild, I think Mario Odyssey will receive very high scores and will sell the system for the younger audience at Christmas. If they release some kind of decent party game (like Wii Sports) around that time too, Nintendo might have just bamboozled us all.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 08, 2017, 03:38:54 AM
Itll also have Terraria, and Sonic Mania..
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mecha on March 08, 2017, 03:44:13 AM
that's who made the vid you knob
k thanks knob
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2017, 03:46:03 AM
EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on March 08, 2017, 03:48:27 AM
Itll also have Terraria, and Sonic Mania..

Terraria isn't a new release and Sonic Mania will be better on other consoles.

EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

^
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Avalanche on March 08, 2017, 03:51:56 AM
i can't see the original video posted but heres another one on the switch

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiw6ZuM0cbSAhWBIsAKHWQCCD4QtwIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCb-srOfRqNc&usg=AFQjCNGc1bcjiTi-0mmtT3f2_hkYhDduOA&sig2=zFkIDiDeJBRXwcNHHn9l9w

yeah i'd rather have a Nintendrob Swetch thanks
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2017, 03:54:33 AM
i can't see the original video posted but heres another one on the switch

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiw6ZuM0cbSAhWBIsAKHWQCCD4QtwIIITAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCb-srOfRqNc&usg=AFQjCNGc1bcjiTi-0mmtT3f2_hkYhDduOA&sig2=zFkIDiDeJBRXwcNHHn9l9w

yeah i'd rather have a Nintendrob Swetch thanks
You're the reason that the switch carts have a bitter coating.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on March 08, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
good job posting literally the exact same video using a worse url
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 08, 2017, 04:26:50 AM
EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

Well.. if they port DOOM on it.I would buy it ASAP!
Or the new Quake.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on March 08, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

Well.. if they port DOOM on it.I would buy it ASAP!
Or the new Quake.

Why on earth would you buy Doom on Switch? That's like playing XCOM 2 on a toaster. If you want to play Doom, get it on PC or a primary console.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2017, 04:47:35 AM
> Quake
> Not on KB+M
 :thumbdown
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Dreamcast on March 08, 2017, 04:08:17 PM
Or the new Quake.

Can the NX even run Quake 1?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 08, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

Well.. if they port DOOM on it.I would buy it ASAP!
Or the new Quake.

Why on earth would you buy Doom on Switch? That's like playing XCOM 2 on a toaster. If you want to play Doom, get it on PC or a primary console.

Well... Playing it On-the-go.. or On-the-toilet!
Even though there is D-touch on my phone (there is ability to play Brutal doom on it..) i can only play it on my controller.. as it goes apesh** when played on phone's touch!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on March 08, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
im waiting for a few more games to come out before i get it

i am going to get zelda for wii u though
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kill343gs on March 08, 2017, 09:53:51 PM
i am going to get zelda for wii u though

Watching my brother play some on WiiU, the lag is pretty unacceptable at times
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badnik96 on March 08, 2017, 09:58:22 PM
i can live with some lag, the game looks too fun to not play
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Shield on March 08, 2017, 10:02:52 PM
EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

Well.. if they port DOOM on it.I would buy it ASAP!
Or the new Quake.

Why on earth would you buy Doom on Switch? That's like playing XCOM 2 on a toaster. If you want to play Doom, get it on PC or a primary console.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMpNA86e8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMpNA86e8Q)

its fake tho
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 08, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
Im just waitng zelda for PC..

EXACTLY as I predicted. Beyond awful hardware, with excellent first party games. Yet to see what happens with 3rd party support, but you shouldn't expect many AAA ports from the XB1/PS4 I think. It might get a decent amount of support from indie PC devs, depending on Nintendo's policy on publishing games for the switch.

Well.. if they port DOOM on it.I would buy it ASAP!
Or the new Quake.

Why on earth would you buy Doom on Switch? That's like playing XCOM 2 on a toaster. If you want to play Doom, get it on PC or a primary console.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMpNA86e8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMpNA86e8Q)

its fake tho
Seen it.. It's Doom. If you can run it on calculator.. you can run it on a Porsche 911!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: J on March 12, 2017, 03:51:48 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/31610IMG_8883.JPG)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mouldy on March 12, 2017, 05:58:18 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/31610IMG_8883.JPG)

"Jump"

Do it, Link. No balls, m8.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: The Red Blur on March 20, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
So... The thing searching for WiFi signals is causing it to lag? The ****, Nintendo? (granted, they're patching it soon, so....)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: kix on March 20, 2017, 08:48:38 AM
So... The thing searching for WiFi signals is causing it to lag? The ****, Nintendo? (granted, they're patching it soon, so....)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/31610IMG_8883.JPG)

Even Link is searching for WiFi!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Dreamcast on March 20, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
When is Horizon being ported to the Switch?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
When is Horizon being ported to the Switch?
Horizon Zero Dawn, the PS4 exclusive? I dunno man you might be waiting for a while.