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Off-Topic => Games => Existing Games => Topic started by: 090901 on August 28, 2013, 11:53:40 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAExBTWIp3M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAExBTWIp3M#)
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My thoughts:
https://twitter.com/Royco_Cupasouup/status/372760095861379073
https://twitter.com/Royco_Cupasouup/status/372761203518361600
https://twitter.com/Royco_Cupasouup/status/372762211443175424
https://twitter.com/Royco_Cupasouup/status/372762503693864960
https://twitter.com/ashens/status/372762149489487873
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looks like a drumspinner
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is this a joke
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Supposedly this is meant more for younger kids or people who have issues playing in the 3d mode.
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Needs more razors.
Literally just watched the introduction video via The Gadget Show on Facebook.
I don't like that it doesn't fold, but apart from that it's cool.
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looks like a drumspinner
*Plans to gut a 2DS and use it as a chassis for 027's robot*
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I thought it was a joke at first. :P
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I don't want to pay as much as they want for a 3DS and I wouldn't use the 3D feature... I wish they'd fill my niche... OH WAIT. I'm actually happy about this. The design looks different and interesting - probably designed to take on tablets.a
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I just want a cheaper XL in something cooler than red or black. I have a regular 3DS but I've been using my OG ds because its just so much more comfortable for long pokemon sessions
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I'm still concerned about the screens; sure they're strong, but they'll still smudge and scratch if you don't buy a protector or case. Still if Nintnedo can succeed in marketing it as the 3DS for kids, then more power to them.
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I relly thought it was a joke 2DS? 2D?!?! I doubt many kids will be buying this as they want the best they can get.
Im still not giving up my GBA.
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The market they're kinda aiming for isn't one where 'kids' can buy it. I mean really, if any kid up to like 10 seriously had that kinda money... XD They're aiming for the parents who want to spend a little less on getting their 300 kids a 3DS. Besides the 3D removal isn't the be-all and end-all, so it's hardly a 'BEST THEY CAN GET' situation. They still get to play the new games. Also like I said some people want to spend less and wouldn't use the 3D anyway.
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They will still nag their parents. Because theyll say things like 'oh 2d is rubbish 3d makes things better all my friends have got it. Etc etc'
Of course, i couldnt care less, but thats my opinion.
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I don't want to pay as much as they want for a 3DS and I wouldn't use the 3D feature... I wish they'd fill my niche... OH WAIT. I'm actually happy about this. The design looks different and interesting - probably designed to take on tablets.a
DS
DS Lite
DSi
DSi XLs.
Unless you're desperate for Mario Kart 7 or Pokemon X/Y, this thing is pretty useless. Better off getting a used (But in perfect condition) DS Lite for less than half the price. For that, you can play GBA games (Proper pokemon, etc.) and you get the screen-protecting clamshell design. Oh, and it doesn't look hideous
I relly thought it was a joke 2DS? 2D?!?! I doubt many kids will be buying this as they want the best they can get.
Im still not giving up my GBA.
I sold my DS Lite to get a GBA SP. I only used the Lite to play my GBA games, and in that regard the SP is better in every single way. TBH I wish I could play Diamond/Pearl again, but I don't really like any other DS games.
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Unless you're desperate for Mario Kart 7 or Pokemon X/Y, this thing is pretty useless.
Or Fire Emblem Awakening, or Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, or Animal Crossing or a portable Street Fighter (assuming you don't have a PSP/Vita) or Etrian Odyssey 4, or Kingdom Hearts, or Pokemon Rumble Blast or Shinobi or or the sequel to 9Hours9Persons9Doors or the various eShop games or Theatrhythm Final Fantasy or any other game that has been or will be released on the 3DS.
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This is basically a lame version of the 3DS. if you want to play 3DS games but don''t want the 3D, then there is a simple solution...
In fact i think that there might even be a parental control option to restrict the use of the 3D functionality.
If Nintendo are going to sell this then i bet they are going to lose a serious amount money.
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If Nintendo are going to sell this then i bet they are going to lose a serious amount money.
I wonder who's paying for gaming consoles... oh right the parents.
And what do parents (and sensible gamers) look for? Practicality. You're not going to pay extra for a feature you're never going to use, and it's not uncommon to see halves of DSes lying around in electronics repair stores for a reason. And so far, pretty much all of my friends agree this is the better choice versus the 3DS.
I have to admit though, it does look kinda awkward (the first thing that went to my head after seeing the pic was a giant Tamagotchi), but it's not like you're buying a console for its looks. I'm gonna guess that this will be the Nokia 3310 of handhelds. As for screen protection, I'm pretty sure you could buy a cheap-ass pouch for less than $2.
CAN'T CHRISTMAS COME ANY SOONER
I NEED MONEY FOR THIS AND A NEXUS 4
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Turn the 3D off.
In fact i think that there might even be a parental control option to restrict the use of the 3D functionality
You're missing the point completely.
I have a 3DS but I don't use the 3D very much and it was a pretty expensive piece of kit, so I'd gladly take one of these because then I'm not spending more money than I need to and feeling guilty afterwards. Also parents with smaller children would happily snap this up because it plays the same games (which are bloody expensive but not as many people bring that up) which is what the kids want.
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They're aiming it at people who want a 3DS, but can't or are not willing to pay the full price. Targeting people who don't really want your product is a pretty bad strategy for this market. It may be a good idea in principle, but I predict that it'll flop pretty bad.
EDIT: Also, it's supposed to be for parents buying for kids, that don't want to pay the full price of a 3DS. If you're a young kid, and the money isn't yours, you don't care. You'll ask for the 3DS for christmas/birthday/whatever. No kid will want a 2DS unless it's their own money. And most 6 year olds don't have £120 (or however much it is) to throw around
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They're aiming it at people who want a 3DS, but can't or are not willing to pay the full price. Targeting people who don't really want your product is a pretty bad strategy for this market. It may be a good idea in principle, but I predict that it'll flop pretty bad.
I'm pretty sure its more aimed at children (5-10) mainly due to the fact that it has no hinge which means that it is harder to break (I used to have a DS until my 5 year old brother found it and snapped it in half :dumb) ).
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Yeah, fair enough, I snapped one of my DSes in half. Then again, they're pretty likely to trash one of the screens as well. Pick your poison. On the other hand, maybe not. My video-game related stuff was the only thing I really looked after when I was young. I took pride in having 0 scratches on my discs, screens etc.. And the manufacturer can't really be responsible for your kid throwing his expensive bit of kit across the room when he fails at mario.
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I don't want to pay as much as they want for a 3DS and I wouldn't use the 3D feature... I wish they'd fill my niche... OH WAIT. I'm actually happy about this. The design looks different and interesting - probably designed to take on tablets.a
DS
DS Lite
DSi
DSi XLs.
Unless you're desperate for Mario Kart 7 or Pokemon X/Y, this thing is pretty useless. Better off getting a used (But in perfect condition) DS Lite for less than half the price. For that, you can play GBA games (Proper pokemon, etc.) and you get the screen-protecting clamshell design. Oh, and it doesn't look hideous
Lol, I thought I was implying I wanted to play 3DS games. I have a GBA and a DS and a GBA emulator on my phone. I'm pretty sure I can play GBA/DS games. Besides, if you're gonna go the 'Proper Pokemon' route let's go play Red/Green/Blue kay? I had a feeling I'd be seeing idiotic responses...
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these games are for 3d though, they might not be as good as 2d.
although i dont really care, like i said gbas ftw
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Honestly, if you think 3D adds anything to the gameplay apart from possibly aesthetically...
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EDIT: Also, it's supposed to be for parents buying for kids, that don't want to pay the full price of a 3DS. If you're a young kid, and the money isn't yours, you don't care. You'll ask for the 3DS for christmas/birthday/whatever. No kid will want a 2DS unless it's their own money. And most 6 year olds don't have £120 (or however much it is) to throw around
i want a 2ds because i'm not an asshole and i know that the 2ds has everything that i would use from a 3ds. the 3ds would just be wasted money
I don't want to pay as much as they want for a 3DS and I wouldn't use the 3D feature... I wish they'd fill my niche... OH WAIT. I'm actually happy about this. The design looks different and interesting - probably designed to take on tablets.a
DS
DS Lite
DSi
DSi XLs.
Unless you're desperate for Mario Kart 7 or Pokemon X/Y, this thing is pretty useless. Better off getting a used (But in perfect condition) DS Lite for less than half the price. For that, you can play GBA games (Proper pokemon, etc.) and you get the screen-protecting clamshell design. Oh, and it doesn't look hideous
>not getting both
also are you trying to tell me that there aren't going to be any more good 3ds games that i wont buy later on?
lol ok
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@Ty4er
List of 3DS games I would consider buying if I had a 3DS:
Long list, eh? And I don't see anything coming out in the forseeable future that would interest me. Of course you may beg to differ, but why not just get a 3DS to play 3DS games? Because it's more expensive than the 2DS, right? That's only because It's your money, so you want to buy it to save your money. If, hypothetically, your parents were to buy you a handheld Nintendo console for christmas, you would obviously ask for the 3DS, no? When you're a 5-10 year old kid (target market) and you ask mommy and daddy for a christmas present, every kid would ask for a 3DS over a 2DS.
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Also, you just re-enforced my point. It's your money, so you want to buy it to save your money. If, hypothetically, your parents were to buy you a handheld Nintendo console for christmas, you would obviously ask for the 3DS, no?
no, i'd rather the money be spent on something else
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No.
1) my parent's can't spend a lot on me.
2) I know I wouldn't use the 3D so it'd be wasted money.
Also, 3DS-wise, I'd like to get Pokemon X/Y, MK7, Animal Crossing, and the Smash Bros game next year. That's without looking at 3rd party stuff.
Finally, I must post this. It is so very apt. Beware it has swears and stuff.
http://www.dorkly.com/article/53774/satoru-iwata-clears-up-the-confusion-over-the-nintendo-2ds (http://www.dorkly.com/article/53774/satoru-iwata-clears-up-the-confusion-over-the-nintendo-2ds)
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@ty4er Fair enough. The target market would not think like that, let me assure you.
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Honestly, if you think 3D adds anything to the gameplay apart from possibly aesthetically...
Since when are aesthetics not important? How else would you explain the constant increase in graphics quality in video games?
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's good that they're covering everyone in game releases that are coming up, but I don't see why everyone hates the 3D feature. I like having it there...I don't use it often, but I am glad that I have it. Also, if it hurts your head when using the 3D that is your problem.
My opinion: No need for an argument over it. My only problem is with the points people raise with their arguments.
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I dunno - I'm also one of those people that slates the constant strive for improved graphics when it's not graphics that make a game. Hell, I'd much rather play Pac-Man or Tetris than Ride to Hell: Retribution.
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I dunno - I'm also one of those people that slates the constant strive for improved graphics when it's not graphics that make a game. Hell, I'd much rather play Pac-Man or Tetris than Ride to Hell: Retribution.
That's because RTH is the worst game ever made, nothing to do with the graphics.
I like the 3D feature. Doesn't hurt my eyes at all, and I find it works quite well.
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I dunno - I'm also one of those people that slates the constant strive for improved graphics when it's not graphics that make a game. Hell, I'd much rather play Pac-Man or Tetris than Ride to Hell: Retribution.
That's because RTH is the worst game ever made, nothing to do with the graphics.
And as expected you completely missed the point. RTH being the 'worst game ever made' only backs my point up - enhanced graphics do not make a better game.
Does that game have better graphics than Tetris or Pacman? Yes.
It is a better game than Tetris or Pacman? No.
Thus does better graphics mean a game is better? No. Stop being an idiot.
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i dont see the point in 3d, it's just a dumb gimmick that people will get bored of in an hour. it doesn't really add much to the gameplay apart from aesthetics which, as craig said, doesn't matter. it's good that they're selling the 2ds, which is different to the other handhelds but with no silly gimmicks that i need to pay an extra £40 for
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In my honest opinion the 3D in 3DS was the most pointless piece of crap I`ve ever seen. I only got the 3ds because of games like Kid Icarus Uprising, Project X Zone, Virtues Last Reward, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Pokemon X and Y , Link to the past 2 etc. It`s like why I got the Playstation Vita, to get games like Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD, Touch My Katamari, Killzone Mercenary, Mortal Kombat, Gravity Rush, Gods Eater 2 etc. I don`t care much about gimmicks like the 3DS`s 3d and the Vita`s pointless rear touch pad because as a matter of fact all I want is to have a handheld games console that I can play whether I`m on a flight to Bristol or waiting at a bus stop or I`m on the hole crapping out a brick.
Apologies for side stepping there I think the 2DS is a great idea as it opens up the opportunity for wee kids to play it without parents concerned. All Nintendo needs to do now in order to win the console war before the end of the next gen is to break its consoles into China. (which it has sort of done)
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@craaig Yes, IMHO it does make a better game, but RTH was so godawful in every other department that overall it was a terrible game. Would you rahter play, say for example, Crysis on Very Low settings or Ultra settings, assuming you get a good framerate and all that?
Also, good graphics =/= advanced graphics. Advanced graphics (high poly count, high res textures etc.) Add nothing if you can't use those graphics well with nice textures and good models/sprites.
And if graphics mean absolutely nothing, why not have all games made in ASCII art? It's a hell of a lot cheaper to render.
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And if graphics mean absolutely nothing, why not have all games made in ASCII art? It's a hell of a lot cheaper to render.
Because modern day people would shun that regardless of how well the game functioned. Another reason would be because we have the assets to do better, so therefore people put a bit more work in and do better. Plus people would probably need a lot more time to figure out interfaces and suchlike. Just look at Ancient Domains of Mystery for an example.
And although you say that you can restrict the 3D effect, how many parents know how to or bother to figure it out? Plus, if the 2DS is sturdier and you are buying it for a child, why would you get something that is weaker, more expensive and has a superfluous function that the child will never figure out how to use properly because you need to be looking at it dead on at the right distance, the right amount of 3D, and the stars need to be aligned for it to work, or would you get the cheaper one that is less likely to break (assuming it is actually sturdier than the 3DS when not taking the hinge into account)?
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Alright, take gen 1 of pokemon. Very low texture/sprite resoultion, and some of the sprites are hideously bad. But you'd rather play it with those graphics compared to ascii graphics, no? Graphics are a part of the game, just not part of the gameplay.
I'm not sure about the 2DS being sturdier than the 3DS. Sure, there's no hinges but those screens look pretty vulnerable...
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Sure, there's no hinges but those screens look pretty vulnerable...
Do you guys bring your handhelds around without a pouch or case of some sort? Not being snarky, it's a serious question.
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Alright, take gen 1 of pokemon. Very low texture/sprite resoultion, and some of the sprites are hideously bad. But you'd rather play it with those graphics compared to ascii graphics, no? Graphics are a part of the game, just not part of the gameplay.
They are a part of the game that is negligible, just because people may prefer to play something with good graphics, doesn't mean they can't or won't play something with bad graphics. If graphics had never improved over low quality textures, we wouldn't know any different, it's just because of the fact that we have been spoiled with these new fangeldy 3D models and higher quality textures that those are even classed as 'bad'. Graphics may be part of the game, but you wouldn't tell someone to play CS:GO instead of Pokemon because the graphics are better because they are two entirely different types of game. As long as the quality of the graphics does not hinder the gameplay, graphics are negligible. I enjoy playing Ancient Domains of Mystery even though it is ASCII art, I wouldn't enjoy it any more or any less if it had proper sprites.
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@Chaos Of course, indeed I prefer the old pokemon games to the new. Graphics do not make a game, but they do play a small part IMO.
@Pwn I had a case for my DS, but it was pretty bulky so I took it off to play games.
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Alright, take gen 1 of pokemon. Very low texture/sprite resoultion, and some of the sprites are hideously bad. But you'd rather play it with those graphics compared to ascii graphics, no? Graphics are a part of the game, just not part of the gameplay.
They are a part of the game that is negligible, just because people may prefer to play something with good graphics, doesn't mean they can't or won't play something with bad graphics. If graphics had never improved over low quality textures, we wouldn't know any different, it's just because of the fact that we have been spoiled with these new fangeldy 3D models and higher quality textures that those are even classed as 'bad'.
Bioshock is a perfect example. After the plane crash many people didn't realise that it went straight from cutscene to gameplay. It was mind-blowing at the time. Now it no longer blows us away graphics-wise because of, say, Bioshock Infinite. But, Bioshock is an incredible game, and in fact I prefer it to Infinite. So, graphics aren't important, but a less graphically intensive Bioshock may not have affected us in the same way. As such, I like having the 3D, so that I can use it and see if I'm impressed by the 3D. And I am in a few games, but not enough of them yet. I really hope the new Smash Bros will have good 3D graphics, but I doubt they'll try anymore if the game producers no longer feel they should put in the effort as many people will have a 2DS, which would be a shame.
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Bioshock is a perfect example. After the plane crash many people didn't realise that it went straight from cutscene to gameplay. It was mind-blowing at the time. Now it no longer blows us away graphics-wise because of, say, Bioshock Infinite. But, Bioshock is an incredible game, and in fact I prefer it to Infinite. So, graphics aren't important, but a less graphically intensive Bioshock may not have affected us in the same way. As such, I like having the 3D, so that I can use it and see if I'm impressed by the 3D. And I am in a few games, but not enough of them yet. I really hope the new Smash Bros will have good 3D graphics, but I doubt they'll try anymore if the game producers no longer feel they should put in the effort as many people will have a 2DS, which would be a shame.
I do think older games have done cutscenes that have seamlessly transferred to gameplay (the sort of plane crash, character gets out and stands on the left hand side of the screen, you are then controlling character sort of thing), can't bring any names to mind at the moment though (I think Another World (or Out of this World, if you are American) kind of counts because you essentially just appear underwater, then you are controlling your character, but I'm pretty sure there is a more obvious one I am missing). But I can understand that modern graphics can make things far more immersive, and also make communicating the story easier as well as giving it more impact, but they are not the be all and end all of everything.
In all honesty, I don't think that the first party and more prominent third party stuff will skimp on the 3D on the prospect of most people having a 2DS, but I may be wrong with that one.
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In all honesty, I don't think that the first party and more prominent third party stuff will skimp on the 3D on the prospect of most people having a 2DS, but I may be wrong with that one.
You never know. They do sometimes try to remove the more unnecessary and money-consuming aspects of games. And for the 3DS releases after the 2DS? That'll be the 3D.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJcSqCdtJM8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJcSqCdtJM8#)
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@Chaos Of course, indeed I prefer the old pokemon games to the new. Graphics do not make a game, but they do play a small part IMO.
@Pwn I had a case for my DS, but it was pretty bulky so I took it off to play games.
graphics don't make a game until the game makes the graphics a gimmick