mass effect 3

[Tweedy]

does anyone on here play mass effect 3 and would anyone want to play it on xbox live some time ?
My gamertag is: PLaZmiC INfeRnO

[madman3]

Played the single player, the combat is great but the story is too inconsistent in terms of quality.

[Tweedy]

Played the single player, the combat is great but the story is too inconsistent in terms of quality.

i get what you mean, the multiplayer more than makes up for it though IMO

[wakkydude]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

[Lupus]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

[Tweedy]

its worth it, if you do hit me up on xbl and i'll play co-op with you

[wakkydude]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

[Chaosmancer]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

I am pretty sure that DLC on the disc is a way of combating piracy and making people buy new copies of the game. Much like with Bulletstorm and Saints Row: The Third having the online pass as a redeemable code on the back of the instruction manual, and as an 800 point download (so if you buy pre-owned, you will need to shell out the 800 points if you wish to play online). I believe that it is trying to ensure that people will buy it new so that the industry can get more money.

[wakkydude]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

I am pretty sure that DLC on the disc is a way of combating piracy and making people buy new copies of the game. Much like with Bulletstorm and Saints Row: The Third having the online pass as a redeemable code on the back of the instruction manual, and as an 800 point download (so if you buy pre-owned, you will need to shell out the 800 points if you wish to play online). I believe that it is trying to ensure that people will buy it new so that the industry can get more money.

The online pass is different. The online pass isn't really content, it's one line of code that says "ONLINE ENABLED = YES/NO". It takes about 5 seconds to implement. From Ashes is ONLY given to people who got the LIMITED EDITION. Otherwise you have to pay for content that is actually hugely important to the plot AND is already on the disc. (therefore, your "newsales" argument is invalid). If it was content that was actually developed alongside the game, it needs to be free or in the actual game. No exceptions.

[Chaosmancer]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

I am pretty sure that DLC on the disc is a way of combating piracy and making people buy new copies of the game. Much like with Bulletstorm and Saints Row: The Third having the online pass as a redeemable code on the back of the instruction manual, and as an 800 point download (so if you buy pre-owned, you will need to shell out the 800 points if you wish to play online). I believe that it is trying to ensure that people will buy it new so that the industry can get more money.

The online pass is different. The online pass isn't really content, it's one line of code that says "ONLINE ENABLED = YES/NO". It takes about 5 seconds to implement. From Ashes is ONLY given to people who got the LIMITED EDITION. Otherwise you have to pay for content that is actually hugely important to the plot AND is already on the disc. (therefore, your "newsales" argument is invalid). If it was content that was actually developed alongside the game, it needs to be free or in the actual game. No exceptions.

Not really, they want money, that's all there is to it. If people buy a pre-owned version of the game, then they will be forced to buy the DLC. And the online pass is content, as you need all the stuff that regulates online, as well as all of the different modes, and all of the different systems too. Plus, it only costs the same as an online pass anyway. All DLC, DLC already on the disc, and online passes equate to is 'we want money, give us money, we will give you things, just give us more money', and considering they also have the online pass that only comes with new versions of the game, it does appear that they just want more money in whatever way possible.

And From Ashes isn't really important from what I have read, you can get a little more support, but from what I have heard, not much changes based on what you do in the story (in fact, Bioware have had to give full refunds due to false advertising with the whole 'everything you do affects the universe', and all I have heard from people at college is that next to nothing changes (apparently a different coloured explosion, but I can't tell if that is a joke or not))

[NWOWWE]

And From Ashes isn't really important from what I have read, you can get   a little more support, but from what I have heard, not much changes   based on what you do in the story (in fact, Bioware have had to give   full refunds due to false advertising with the whole 'everything you do   affects the universe', and all I have heard from people at college is   that next to nothing changes (apparently a different coloured explosion,   but I can't tell if that is a joke or not))

Ugh.  Anyone that demanded a full refund from ME3 just because of the ending is a tool, full stop.  Especially since most of these people say they still enjoyed the rest of the game. 

Is the ending perfect?  No, but how many endings are?  Everyone that thought that every choice you made through the series to make all kinds of radical permutations off the ending of 3 are/were delusional.

"Saving/killing the council at the end of 1 doesn't change things?"  Oh too bad they say at the end of the first game that they'll replace the council, so you'll have a council anyway.
"Why don't the Rachni matter?" If you save them, they do help you.  They aren't going to swarm over Reapers like army ants, grow up.
"I saved the colony on Feros, FEAR ME REAPERS!" ..... lol
"I gained everyone's loyalty in ME2 on missions that affected only them!  THIS HURTS YOU!"  lolno.
"I saved/destroyed the Collector Base..." maybe this one could be a bit more significant, but eh...

If I'm leaving out any other major choice from 1 and 2 let me know, but think you get the idea.  And then everything in 3 is about bringing the galaxy together (if you choose to) for the final fight.  The idea was to get the ending so that Paragons and Renegades could get to the same basic point even though they otherwise would take vastly different paths to get there.  You do NOT want to deal with the sh**-storm that comes from saying this or that choice should have been Paragon/Renegade to get a desirable ending.

The choices are for YOU as the player more than anything else.

[wakkydude]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

I am pretty sure that DLC on the disc is a way of combating piracy and making people buy new copies of the game. Much like with Bulletstorm and Saints Row: The Third having the online pass as a redeemable code on the back of the instruction manual, and as an 800 point download (so if you buy pre-owned, you will need to shell out the 800 points if you wish to play online). I believe that it is trying to ensure that people will buy it new so that the industry can get more money.

The online pass is different. The online pass isn't really content, it's one line of code that says "ONLINE ENABLED = YES/NO". It takes about 5 seconds to implement. From Ashes is ONLY given to people who got the LIMITED EDITION. Otherwise you have to pay for content that is actually hugely important to the plot AND is already on the disc. (therefore, your "newsales" argument is invalid). If it was content that was actually developed alongside the game, it needs to be free or in the actual game. No exceptions.

Not really, they want money, that's all there is to it. If people buy a pre-owned version of the game, then they will be forced to buy the DLC. And the online pass is content, as you need all the stuff that regulates online, as well as all of the different modes, and all of the different systems too. Plus, it only costs the same as an online pass anyway. All DLC, DLC already on the disc, and online passes equate to is 'we want money, give us money, we will give you things, just give us more money', and considering they also have the online pass that only comes with new versions of the game, it does appear that they just want more money in whatever way possible.

Please read my posts before copying and pasting our last response and changing a word or two. ONLY THE LIMITED EDITION GETS IT FREE. ONLY. LIMITED. EDITION. I don't care what you do wih content after the games released, but anything taking time away from development is unnaceptable and must be boycotted. The only way to stop this rampant disregard for consumer rights is to vote with your wallet. If you want this money grabbing to stop, grow some balls and don't support developers who support it.

[Chaosmancer]

I don't buy games that have DLC ON THE DISC.

"I'd rather buy it separately!"

I've heard good things about the new mAss Effect (lol im so funne) I might rent it soon.

If the content is already on the disc, i have every right to have it either for free, or part of the game in the first place. It's development time spent on things not going to everyone, and that is unfair in every and all cases. In fact, it's me paying TWICE for stuff that I ALREADY BUY. How fair is that?

I am pretty sure that DLC on the disc is a way of combating piracy and making people buy new copies of the game. Much like with Bulletstorm and Saints Row: The Third having the online pass as a redeemable code on the back of the instruction manual, and as an 800 point download (so if you buy pre-owned, you will need to shell out the 800 points if you wish to play online). I believe that it is trying to ensure that people will buy it new so that the industry can get more money.

The online pass is different. The online pass isn't really content, it's one line of code that says "ONLINE ENABLED = YES/NO". It takes about 5 seconds to implement. From Ashes is ONLY given to people who got the LIMITED EDITION. Otherwise you have to pay for content that is actually hugely important to the plot AND is already on the disc. (therefore, your "newsales" argument is invalid). If it was content that was actually developed alongside the game, it needs to be free or in the actual game. No exceptions.

Not really, they want money, that's all there is to it. If people buy a pre-owned version of the game, then they will be forced to buy the DLC. And the online pass is content, as you need all the stuff that regulates online, as well as all of the different modes, and all of the different systems too. Plus, it only costs the same as an online pass anyway. All DLC, DLC already on the disc, and online passes equate to is 'we want money, give us money, we will give you things, just give us more money', and considering they also have the online pass that only comes with new versions of the game, it does appear that they just want more money in whatever way possible.

Please read my posts before copying and pasting our last response and changing a word or two. ONLY THE LIMITED EDITION GETS IT FREE. ONLY. LIMITED. EDITION. I don't care what you do wih content after the games released, but anything taking time away from development is unnaceptable and must be boycotted. The only way to stop this rampant disregard for consumer rights is to vote with your wallet. If you want this money grabbing to stop, grow some balls and don't support developers who support it.

The funny thing is that I didn't copypaste it, writing that response is the reason that I left 20 minutes late this morning (not that it matters because today is Friday and I don't have college). And I haven't bought Mass Effect 3, I haven't even played the demo. And I know that only people who buy the collecter's edition get it for free, but if you want to pay the extra money so that you can have a Prothean (I think that's the name of the species) on your team, then go ahead. Also, it isn't on the disc, it is a 600MB download, if it were on the disc, then a single line of code could be changed which would mean that the download for it would be nowhere close to 600-odd MB (most CE content is generally 'here is a code, type it in on the redeem code screen and wait a long time to get your content (although, saying that, the online pass is a very small download, and doesn't take too long, but most major extra stuff has a rather large file size)). Unless it was included on the CE disc and not on any other, but that would be kind of stupid as they would have to make two versions of the disc, and keep a close eye on it to make sure that no CE discs went into a normal box and vice-versa. To be honest, you could probably have the same experience regardless of whether or not you had the DLC as it doesn't seem to have a huge bearing, other than a team member, and some support which, from what I've heard, doesn't change the outcome at all.

[wakkydude]

Also, it isn't on the disc, it is a 600MB download, if it were on the disc, then a single line of code could be changed which would mean that the download for it would be nowhere close to 600-odd MB

Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

[wakkydude]

Here, this explains it all for you.

[Chaosmancer]

Also, it isn't on the disc, it is a 600MB download, if it were on the disc, then a single line of code could be changed which would mean that the download for it would be nowhere close to 600-odd MB

Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/122/1220546p1.html
http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/11/rumour-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-shipped-on-disc/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339567/ea-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://mkgaming.com/xbox360/news/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx

You were saying? Seriously, if it is on the disc, then the download would be no bigger than that of an online pass. It would be too much work to make a line of code 600MB+.

[wakkydude]

Also, it isn't on the disc, it is a 600MB download, if it were on the disc, then a single line of code could be changed which would mean that the download for it would be nowhere close to 600-odd MB

Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/122/1220546p1.html
http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/11/rumour-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-shipped-on-disc/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339567/ea-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://mkgaming.com/xbox360/news/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx

You were saying? Seriously, if it is on the disc, then the download would be no bigger than that of an online pass. It would be too much work to make a line of code 600MB+.

Every single one of those was a statement from EA, who's are going to deny it regardless.

Also, as I said, watch this fully. It's not just that it's on the disc (which has overwhelming evidence to claim that it is), it's that the game is not feature complete on purchase, which is very unethical and technically breaking consumer rights.

[Chaosmancer]

Also, it isn't on the disc, it is a 600MB download, if it were on the disc, then a single line of code could be changed which would mean that the download for it would be nowhere close to 600-odd MB

Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/122/1220546p1.html
http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/11/rumour-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-shipped-on-disc/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339567/ea-mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://mkgaming.com/xbox360/news/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-not-on-the-disc/
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/11/fan-claims-proof-that-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-was-on-disc.aspx

You were saying? Seriously, if it is on the disc, then the download would be no bigger than that of an online pass. It would be too much work to make a line of code 600MB+.

Every single one of those was a statement from EA, who's are going to deny it regardless.

Also, as I said, watch this fully. It's not just that it's on the disc (which has overwhelming evidence to claim that it is), it's that the game is not feature complete on purchase, which is very unethical and technically breaking consumer rights.

I can't be bothered to watch a 24 minute video, I'm too busy playing Mortal Kombat (and getting my ass kicked by Shao Kahn as Raiden in chapter 16). I still doubt that it is on the disc, it is like me taking the ability to get a weapon out of the game, keeping all of the necessary assets on the disc, and somehow turning it into a 300MB download. If it were on the disc, and you could just change a single line of code, then how can that single line of code take up 600MB (seriously, if there is a way, tell me). I do believe that Bioware are kind of wrong for making DLC for release and making it only available to people who buy CE (they should at least give it to people who buy the game new, or on release date). Besides, I think that most of this stuff is trying to fight piracy, and it isn't going to work. I'm willing to bet that there is a torrent of ME3 with From Ashes already on the internet somewhere meaning that what they did amounted to nothing more than annoying the consumer (as is often the case with things made to combat piracy (I'm pretty sure that I saw a gif that represented that too). Allegedly, there will be a DLC coming out in April called 'The Truth' and it will address the ending to the game, and I am willing to bet that won't be free (or maybe it will be free for the first few weeks).