Suede's DSL Showcase

[Gauche Suede]

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

[Pwnator]

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

it's like saying crawling with knives isn't a nwb klone because it has 2 less drive motors

[Gauche Suede]

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

it's like saying crawling with knives isn't a nwb klone because it has 2 less drive motors

Well what do you suggest so that this bot doesn't look like a CCS klone?

[123savethewhales]

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

CCS had a half sheet since 2 years ago.  Anyone who has 123AI can check.

[Gauche Suede]

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

CCS had a half sheet since 2 years ago.  Anyone who has 123AI can check.

Oh okay, disregard everything i said (but the bot has top protection and a wider attack radius).

but still:

Well what do you suggest so that this bot doesn't look like a CCS klone?

[123savethewhales]

Oh okay, disregard everything i said (but the bot has top protection and a wider attack radius).

At what cost?  Lost of Invertibility from the side panel and slower acceleration/stability due to closer wheel base?

Edit:  The problem isn't that you are cloning bots, it is when you claim originality and improvement without fully grasping why the bot was the way it was in the first place.  I have reasons to not build all my bots with battery box chassis you know.  I suggest downloading NAR AI v1.1 and focus on building something different, instead of taking other people's bot and just make the chassis smaller.  You might find this game much more enjoyable too.

[Naryar]

bunch of clones...

also gauche stop complaining about not getting comments every single damn time or i'm going to consider you as the new GF.

If you don't get comments, that's because people think your bots are not interesting enough. There, I said it.

dude

core-collapse supernova

which has been kloned multiple times after its debut

CCS Doesn't have a Half-sheet.

it's like saying crawling with knives isn't a nwb klone because it has 2 less drive motors

excepted that it makes a large difference in how the bot fares.

Yes, Crawl Through Knives IS Neglected Waterbug with less drive and more armor, weapons. But it doesn't make it a clone.

[Pwnator]

Yes, Crawl Through Knives IS Neglected Waterbug with less drive and more armor, weapons. But it doesn't make it a clone.

What separated CTK and Cocytus from a 'clone' status is their general setups. CTK shares the tribar setup with NWB, while Cocytus used Snapper IIs and had a more DPS-focused weapon system.

[Gauche Suede]

Oh okay, disregard everything i said (but the bot has top protection and a wider attack radius).

At what cost?  Lost of Invertibility from the side panel and slower acceleration/stability due to closer wheel base?

Edit:  The problem isn't that you are cloning bots, it is when you claim originality and improvement without fully grasping why the bot was the way it was in the first place.  I have reasons to not build all my bots with battery box chassis you know.  I suggest downloading NAR AI v1.1 and focus on building something different, instead of taking other people's bot and just make the chassis smaller.  You might find this game much more enjoyable too.

The bot's invertible.

[Jack Daniels]

Out of curiosity, why does the amount of comments in your showcase concern you so much?  Is it because you want more feedback to become a better builder?  Is it because you want praise for your accomplishments or designs? 

I will give you some honest feedback here that might help you.  You give a lot of feedback and suggestions in other showcases.  Some suggestions are good and some are terrible.  It results in you getting praise for your guidance or scolded for your ignorance.  Because of that, I (personally) have no motivation to give you advice in your showcase and that might be the case with others as well because I really have no idea what advice you take seriously.

You will likely get the best advice from 123stw, Nary, or Urjak because they seem to have a great grasp on the "effective" side of DSL building.  (which appears to be where you aim)

There is a bunch of us on the "IRL" Bot side of building that wont be able to give you good feedback other than "Looks cool bra! Good job!"

Also, bear in mind, because this game is a billion years old... DSL "effective" building has mostly reached it's peak.  Improvisations are hard to come by and innovation is almost impossible to claim.

IRL and "Coolness Factor" Will always have a lot more room for praise because you can never truly reach the peak of imagination and innovation.

Want some comments?  Try to make a replica.  Try to make an IRL bot that is incredibly different and imaginative.  Disregard effective building and explore.  See how that goes for you. 

[123savethewhales]

Oh okay, disregard everything i said (but the bot has top protection and a wider attack radius).

At what cost?  Lost of Invertibility from the side panel and slower acceleration/stability due to closer wheel base?

Edit:  The problem isn't that you are cloning bots, it is when you claim originality and improvement without fully grasping why the bot was the way it was in the first place.  I have reasons to not build all my bots with battery box chassis you know.  I suggest downloading NAR AI v1.1 and focus on building something different, instead of taking other people's bot and just make the chassis smaller.  You might find this game much more enjoyable too.

The bot's invertible.

You didn't hack the chassis height "after" you mount that half sheet, did you?  Because half sheet kinna force a minimum height of 0.406107, and the lowest height for multi-extender to mount a side panel at this height is 0.3.  You could of course raised the motor by 0.05 but that would cause other complications.

[Gauche Suede]

Out of curiosity, why does the amount of comments in your showcase concern you so much?  Is it because you want more feedback to become a better builder?  Is it because you want praise for your accomplishments or designs? 

I will give you some honest feedback here that might help you.  You give a lot of feedback and suggestions in other showcases.  Some suggestions are good and some are terrible.  It results in you getting praise for your guidance or scolded for your ignorance.  Because of that, I (personally) have no motivation to give you advice in your showcase and that might be the case with others as well because I really have no idea what advice you take seriously.

You will likely get the best advice from 123stw, Nary, or Urjak because they seem to have a great grasp on the "effective" side of DSL building.  (which appears to be where you aim)

There is a bunch of us on the "IRL" Bot side of building that wont be able to give you good feedback other than "Looks cool bra! Good job!"

Also, bear in mind, because this game is a billion years old... DSL "effective" building has mostly reached it's peak.  Improvisations are hard to come by and innovation is almost impossible to claim.

IRL and "Coolness Factor" Will always have a lot more room for praise because you can never truly reach the peak of imagination and innovation.

Want some comments?  Try to make a replica.  Try to make an IRL bot that is incredibly different and imaginative.  Disregard effective building and explore.  See how that goes for you.

And thanks to you, i decided to make an IRL bawht for once:

"As if it was from a dream..."

Celestial Lining

Celestial Lining has 6 ants and Pl3. I haven't tested this bot yet, and i still wanted to give it a proper skin.

[Naryar]

4 ants for 4WD Mags and a dual perm ? not irl.

[Gauche Suede]

4 ants for 4WD Mags and a dual perm ? not irl.

there's 6 ants.

[Gauche Suede]

Hola?

[Naryar]

4 ants for 4WD Mags and a dual perm ? not irl.

there's 6 ants.

still not enough for IRL

[Jack Daniels]

Well that is a good start at IRL building :D

Narys advice is correct. 

I suggest having the chassis slope to match your wedge, that way the sides look solid and asthetically pleasing.  Having just a sheet for a wedge looks somewhat silly.

Glad to see you trying something different!

[Mr. AS]

4 6 ants for 4WD Mags and a dual perm ? not irl.

I've been seeing a fair bit of discussion about whether or not a particular battery setup is IRL and thought this would be the place to weigh in on it-

In Nyx, I use a 1lb battery to power 3 fairly powerful motors in a 30lb robot, though one is intermittent use.

that works out to 3.333% of the weight of the robot being battery. In the case of a RA2 LW, that means roughly 8.33lbs should be battery for an equivalent drive/weapon system, which in the case of Nyx, has enough battery for two full matches before needing a recharge while using the equivalent of 1.3 ants for the whole system.

In the case of Moros, I use ~2lbs of batteries, so 16.5lbs for two drive motors and 1 weapon motor, however in this case as well, I have far more battery than I need in Moros, but even then, it would still only use the equivalent of 2.5 ants for three motors.

Real world battery technology has blown right by the "capacity" ratings in DSL, and I think if you  really want to set hard "capacity" rules, it should be more weight percentage based than number of cell based. If a real world robot is using more than about 5% of their weight for batteries most of the time they've either got an insane weapon system or old battery technology.

if my calculations are correct this bot is using about 4.9% of its weight on batteries, it should be able to work irl

[Virus Bomb]

those hammers look out of place imo

[Gauche Suede]

those hammers look out of place imo

Well what items can i use for weapons?