Author Topic: Powerrave's DSL briefcase (Read 46940 times)

NFX · « **Reply #241 on:** September 16, 2011, 01:48:43 PM »

How many ants does it have?

Anyhow, I don't mean to sound offensive, but I think its championship was more to do with its wedges than how well it was built. You could use Steel Sheets for the side protection, and I might have mounted the Tite Sheet sideways for a wider area of protection. It looks a bit narrow for me, personally.

Urjak · « **Reply #242 on:** September 16, 2011, 01:57:54 PM »

I am going to assume this bot never faced a good Sheck Spinner or SnS, because that steep and narrow wedge would have fared poorly.

powerrave · « **Reply #243 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:03:25 PM »

No idea how much ants it has. Probably just enough.

The biggest offence is that I wasn't serious when building this. Wasn't inspired at all and just pasted stuff together. Is also because I normally don't like building HW bots. So I'll leave it at that aaaannndd... See when I come up with something new.

And yes Urjak, I did have a very lucky run.

Naryar · « **Reply #244 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:31:45 PM »

Much weight wasted in random, poorly efficient side protection, although they at least look cool.

Also I agree with Urjak. It's quite good as a popup but I see 2 flaws, notably too much chassis armor, and unsufficient front protection.

madman3 · « **Reply #245 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:55:51 PM »

It's just okay, but it had a definite advantage in its width in both of our matches, plus it had better wedges.
Anyway, I'd just widen the front armour and cut down on the middle metal hinge since that's not really benefiting it.

MassimoV · « **Reply #246 on:** September 16, 2011, 07:24:16 PM »

Darn I was thinking that would be the match I would win and you OOTA me. Oh well good job, I 've liked the design.

powerrave · « **Reply #247 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:15:27 AM »

Better Wedge? Dude this thing got outwedged quite a lot. It's because it hooked own wedge behind other wedge or something that just did it.

And the funny thing about Altifood is that for some reason it has pretty good flipping power even against HW bots. Wouldn't think that with suck weak (for a HW) burst motors. Funny results though.

Anyway, I'll see if I ever apply the improvements. I surely will if I need a HW Popup for something, but further, I rather build LW bots and such. Just more my thing.

madman3 · « **Reply #248 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:00:21 PM »

Well, one of my wedges had AGOD, so that's probably why. It could take out Sage's wedges, so I dunno what happened there.

But, I've tried bots with one Large JX that flipped almost as well as some bots with 4 small Jxs, very strangely.

powerrave · « **Reply #249 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:57:37 PM »

This kinda makes me wonder. What is it that gives the flipping power to a bot, even if it uses weaker burst motors like this.

NFX · « **Reply #250 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:59:12 PM »

Angle, battery power, weight on the motor, where it hits the opponent. Lots of things factor into it.

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #251 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:00:00 PM »

BSGs have high initial speed so are good at flipping.

powerrave · « **Reply #252 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:18:05 PM »

I see. I guess that with Altifood it's just lucky placement and such then. I have to admit. It has more flipping power then my old LW, Hard Membram3. Looks so crazy. :/

Naryar · « **Reply #253 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:11:48 AM »

Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on September 17, 2011, 03:00:00 PM

BSGs have high initial speed so are good at flipping.

Hum no... in DSL 2.1 BSGs have power = 0 35 60, meaning no initial force.

I think it might have to do with the Smashbox 2 (aka upward) positioning. (Well half of Smashbox 2, but just that BSGs placed like that work well)

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #254 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:32:59 AM »

Quote from: Naryar on September 18, 2011, 03:11:48 AM

Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on September 17, 2011, 03:00:00 PM
BSGs have high initial speed so are good at flipping.

Hum no... in DSL 2.1 BSGs have power = 0 35 60, meaning no initial force.

I think it might have to do with the Smashbox 2 (aka upward) positioning. (Well half of Smashbox 2, but just that BSGs placed like that work well)

Weird, I always thought they did. WHO TOLD ME THIS?

Naryar · « **Reply #255 on:** September 18, 2011, 06:25:20 AM »

Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on September 18, 2011, 03:32:59 AM

Quote from: Naryar on September 18, 2011, 03:11:48 AM
Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on September 17, 2011, 03:00:00 PM
BSGs have high initial speed so are good at flipping.

Hum no... in DSL 2.1 BSGs have power = 0 35 60, meaning no initial force.

I think it might have to do with the Smashbox 2 (aka upward) positioning. (Well half of Smashbox 2, but just that BSGs placed like that work well)
Weird, I always thought they did. WHO TOLD ME THIS?

No idea. Anyways, high initial speed doesn't makes any sense in a mechanical way. When the burst fires, it has initially zero speed (obviously), then it accelerates. That first value you"re thinking of is initial FORCE at t=0, then it is replaced by the second value, which is the force of the firing burst and improves the angular speed at which the burst fires, to a maximum given by the third value.

Overall I think power = 35 35 60 is the same than power = 0 35 60, but this needs testing.

I will stop the offtopic now.

powerrave · « **Reply #256 on:** September 18, 2011, 07:44:54 AM »

It's not too offtopic really since it came forward from the flipping capability of Altifood. And find this all rather interesting to learn.

In the meantime, I'm thinking of what the

I should try making next.

ty4er · « **Reply #257 on:** September 18, 2011, 07:46:12 AM »

...a lw?

How about a VS :D

Badnik96 · « **Reply #258 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:11:39 PM »

try a clamper like Precision Impact 3.

powerrave · « **Reply #259 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:15:54 PM »

Not sure about a VS, but a clamper sounds very interesting.