Naryar's DSL showcase - Oldschool DSL-S with 2.2

[JoeBlo]

actually (I probably should be saying this) but stacking can be easy to tell apart

BFE is a perfect clean stack (like blacks).. were real stacking the parts are usually off set s bit becasue thats how stacking works.

but its also a moral thing.. I would feel bad if I win something with a BFE bot.. so BFE is a no no for me in any competition

[FOTEPX]

Personally, I don't care for BFE, as long as the end product of said BFE is awesome.

And I must say, that looks awesome.

[Naryar]

For example, I do not think that Naryar or anyone else for that matter is actually able to construct the bot he just showcased.

Alright... i take that as a challenge !

[JoeBlo]

may as well try.. it will redeem some of your great DSL reputation you have sadly murdered with skirt hinge amour and BFE.

[G.K.]

And 'fixing' the armour.

[Naryar]

What's the problem with fixing the armor ?

[G.K.]

It's not fixing. It's just making the bots completely illegal. Rebalancing components I can deal with, but this is going too far.

To quote R0B0:

I am completely against you using your NAR AI to ram your vision for what DSL should be up our asses rather than building on what DSL really is

[123savethewhales]

I do not think that Naryar or anyone else for that matter is actually able to construct the bot he just showcased. Therefore, the bot is illegal.

It's fairly easy actually.  Just put 2 to 3 storm piston to it every time you put down a skirt hinge.  It will fly away allowing you to stack a second one of top by flashing to control/build.  Once you lay out your skirt hinges, hit the pause button, go to test bot, come back to build, and delete the storm piston.  Putting on the razor is the ez part since u can rotate the hinge.

I used this trick for some of those potter wheels design.

As far as "reducing BFE".  Yes it reduces people from talking about it, so it give the appearance that less people are employing it.  The paradox is that neither theories can be proven as long as nobody will admit to BFE.

Yes chassis shortening shouldn't be allowed.  Shortening beyond the legal value (0.338182) is very much impossible in botlab and is outright cheating.  I don't know why people will even consider allowing that.  Obviously it provides an unfair advantage or nobody will bother doing it.

And Joe is right.  BFE usually leave some trace.  I BFE enough to know how nearly impossible it is to be "indistinguishable from a legitimately build bot" from the trained eyes.

[System32]

How about we make it legal, subject it to the rules of RA2 and teach it like stacking and stuff.

[123savethewhales]

I am not sure if it can be made more clear than the PyRa2 guide already on tutorial.

The problem with teaching BFE is that it allows everyone to easily "cheat a little bit".  Change certain components to weapons, change something to connect to the chassis rather than an extender.  Then every tournament host will have to look hard in every bot files to catch all those little things.

It's one of those things that is bad enough for a few people to know, and will be disastrous if everyone knows.

[Naryar]

change something to connect to the chassis rather than an extender.

That is cheating !

What about : if someone gets caught entering in a tournament with an illegal robot made with BFE (but in that case making a legal robot with BFE is not an offense), we can perfectly ban him from other tourneys forever.

[MassimoV]

I'm gone for one day and Nar's showcase has 3 more pages? Anyways, they are all amazing. King Grog really looks cool. What's the name of the one bot with all the razors? It looks cool. Amazing job.

[123savethewhales]

change something to connect to the chassis rather than an extender.

That is cheating !

What about : if someone gets caught entering in a tournament with an illegal robot made with BFE (but in that case making a legal robot with BFE is not an offense), we can perfectly ban him from other tourneys forever.

They usually go undetected in game play, even when it's made obvious.  Just look at when backlash first came out, when all VS components are indestructible.  People just don't suspect these kind of things.

Therefore, for this to be enforceable,  the tournament host have equal or greater BFE skills than the cheater, and A LOT more patience.

Checking for that 0 in every single component is tedious work.  It's the kind of stuff you have to look through every single line of codes carefully to find.

[System32]

Then we can have a totally awesome and radical game entry tester?
 
TARGET for short.

[Naryar]

Probable NAR AI Wars entry.



Memento Mori DSL - 5mm Ti, 4 NPCF's, 8 ants, and 46 razors.

It's not invertible though and the wedge isn't exceptional, but it's not supposed to be too good ether else i'll destroy the whole competition.

I am wondering if it's better to spam razors on beater bars, on extenders or on hinges ? The extender method is the lightest when there's a lot of them, but i have to worry about extenders falling before razors :P

[Pwnator]

I thought that bot was a gift to DK. XD

[martymidget]

That looks painful.

[Naryar]

I thought that bot was a gift to DK. XD

Not any more... I now ALSO LOVE RAZORS !!!!

[NFX]

That's a lot of razors. My bot will probably die.

I use them on a case-by-case basis, more often than not.

[Gazea2]

Memento Mori DSL - 5mm Ti, 4 NPCF's, 8 ants, and 46 razors.

That's a nice Persona 3 reference there, even if you didn't mean it. :P

Great bot. :)