Author Topic: Naryar's DSL showcase - Oldschool DSL-S with 2.2 (Read 447439 times)

Pwnator · « **Reply #960 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:39:55 AM »

Damn. I would've given up on the 31st razor simply due to too much skirt hinge rotations.

THOU HAST NO LIFE.

Naryar · « **Reply #961 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:41:44 AM »

No skirt hinge rotations ! BFE !

Pwnator · « **Reply #962 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:46:08 AM »

trololololololololololo

And the LW's probably not that invertible due to the skirt hinge mesh.

Naryar · « **Reply #963 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:49:10 AM »

Yup, it's that.

About BFE : I perfectly have the skills to make that "legally" in the bot lab but i'm not going to spend 2 hours on it :P

Scrap Daddy · « **Reply #964 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:50:01 AM »

boooooooooo :P

Naryar · « **Reply #965 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:51:33 AM »

Leave me be with your old stupid morals.

Sage · « **Reply #966 on:** August 27, 2010, 01:53:52 PM »

Boooooooooooo >:O

Naryar · « **Reply #967 on:** August 27, 2010, 05:19:07 PM »

Sigh... I had that feeling I should not have mentioned BFE...

NFX · « **Reply #968 on:** August 27, 2010, 06:24:02 PM »

I think you should go back into the bot lab, actually build that robot for legals, and think about what you've done. =P

Naryar · « **Reply #969 on:** August 27, 2010, 06:29:11 PM »

Wasting 2 hours ?

I'll probably do that anyways, because the robot is not that good.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #970 on:** August 27, 2010, 06:42:41 PM »

Lol looks like someone just came out of the closet about his BFE habit.

Naryar · « **Reply #971 on:** August 27, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »

Is that new ? :P

123savethewhales · « **Reply #972 on:** August 27, 2010, 06:53:56 PM »

I think BFE is fine as long as it is indistinguishable from a legitimately build bot. After all, innocent until proven guilty. And unless the person admits to it, you can't tell.

Naryar · « **Reply #973 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:01:37 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on August 27, 2010, 06:53:56 PM

I think BFE is fine as long as it is indistinguishable from a legitimately build bot. After all, innocent until proven guilty. And unless the person admits to it, you can't tell.

My opinion as well... i could have built that thing with LOADS of skirt hinge loading with Copals, but did not found the motivation to.

Urjak · « **Reply #974 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:20:18 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on August 27, 2010, 06:53:56 PM

I think BFE is fine as long as it is indistinguishable from a legitimately build bot. After all, innocent until proven guilty. And unless the person admits to it, you can't tell.

One issue though: In stock, you can legitimately stack 4 blacks into one using just your skill in stacking. However, it takes so long to do that no one ever bothers. But with BFE it is quite easy. Is that still a legitimate use?

Naryar · « **Reply #975 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:31:53 PM »

Is 4 blacks even doable ? I don't even want to bother stacking 3 :P

123savethewhales · « **Reply #976 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:45:47 PM »

Quote from: Urjak on August 27, 2010, 07:20:18 PM

Quote from: 123savethewhales on August 27, 2010, 06:53:56 PM
I think BFE is fine as long as it is indistinguishable from a legitimately build bot. After all, innocent until proven guilty. And unless the person admits to it, you can't tell.

One issue though: In stock, you can legitimately stack 4 blacks into one using just your skill in stacking. However, it takes so long to do that no one ever bothers. But with BFE it is quite easy. Is that still a legitimate use?

If someone did just that, and claim it was done legit, how do you prove him guilty?

Again I was not arguing based on moral ground, but that it is unenforceable.

Urjak · « **Reply #977 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:51:03 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on August 27, 2010, 07:45:47 PM

Again I was not arguing based on moral ground, but that it is unenforceable.

Oh I get it. That is unfortunately true, and I only hope people aren't abusing BFE.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #978 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:30:15 PM »

This also means that accusation simply prevents people from admitting to BFE, and does not reduce BFE.

So the real choice becomes, do you want people to be open about it? Or do you want people to keep their mouth shut?

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #979 on:** August 27, 2010, 11:07:52 PM »

I don't like BFE at all in any capacity. As soon as we say "BFE is okay as long as you can do it legitly," it opens up a whole can of worms. There is just too much grey area once that happens. What then is stopping someone new to RA2, unable to stack and unwilling to learn in-lab techniques like the rest of us, from just BFE'ing entire robots? Under that policy, they're completely legal despite the blatant and obvious cheating. Hell, Naryar's chassis shortening shouldn't even be allowed.

I think that saying "no BFE" does actually reduce BFE. For example, I do not think that Naryar or anyone else for that matter is actually able to construct the bot he just showcased. Therefore, the bot is illegal.